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Zorn List Digest       Sunday, February 1 1998       Volume 02 : Number 219



In this issue:
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       Re: John Fahey
       Re: The Sound Of Summer Running
       Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
       Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
       Mystic Fugu Orchestra
       Angelus Novus
       Trying to "turn on" others to Zorn
       Re: Angelus Novus
       Filmworks 8
       Any Aussie Zorn Fans Out There?
       [none]
       VICTO 98
       Arto Lindsay, Robert Quine, Ikue Mori interviews
       Follow up to Jill Kroesen
       Osaka Bondage [film]
       Re: John Fahey
       Re: Filmworks 8
       baxter/kagel/sato/fahey
       dragon blue
       Re: John Fahey
       carny
       derek bailey new releases
       TV Shit
       Re: Osaka Bondage [film]
       Re: Osaka Bondage [film]
       Re: John Fahey

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:06:00 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:48:20 -0800
> From: Greg Mills <[e-mail]>
>
> What is Fahey's other stuff like? The liner notes include a letter that
> Fahey wrote to, I'm guessing, a music critic complaining that people brand
> him as "new age", when in fact he hangs out with punks and insists on being
> called "alternative". All lameness aside, what is he going on about? Did he
> do George Winston - type stuff at one point?
>

 He's pretty dismissive about his earlier work nowadays, seeing himself as
'alternative' or 'punk.'  I wouldn't call his earlier stuff new age- it's got more
thought and body to it though I'd still say it's really nice and relaxing to
hear.  If you want a good sample of this, I recommend RETURN OF THE REPRESSED, a
two-CD set on Rhino.

Funny that you mention George Winston as they happen to be pals- Fahey admits that
George's stuff is pretty wishy-washy but still insists that the guy's got a wild
and mischievous streak to him that doesn't come out in his recordings and
concerts.

Jason
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Perfect Sound Forever
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http://www.furious.com/perfect



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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:34:35 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Sound Of Summer Running

    Doug,

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:54:50 PST  "coleman francis" wrote:
>
> Sorry if this has been posted already (I'm 4 digests behind right now),
> but i just saw that there will be a Marc Johnson album released in
> Feburary called The Sound Of Summer Running. It features Bill Frisell,
> Pat Metheny, and Joey Baron. Sounds like a good time to me. :)

Do you know on what label?

    Thanks for mentioning it!

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:45:08 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:00:18 -0700  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that
> shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the
> recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided
> the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of
> something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in

"experimental noise stuff of something like Elegy"?

Are we really buying the same records?

> any context. Any one else experience this?

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:27:37 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra

i think this CD is trying to comment on the fate of the traditional music
which inspired it, which was once a living tradition, and is now relegated
to a bunch of scratchy old 78s on library shelves....etc....

i don't listen to it much, though...i don't think it's a very sincere
attempt at music making.  It's still just another zorn/eye joke, to
me, cloaked though it may be in an aura of meaningful social commentary.
Yawn.

- -jascha

> I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that
> shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the
> recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided
> the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of
> something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in
> any context. Any one else experience this?
>
> -
>


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:02:07 -0500
From: ROLAND JOST <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mystic Fugu Orchestra

i think the cd is quite interesting. try listening to it casually. don't
concentrate on it and suddenly it'll open up. i found that this way of
listening to john zorn's cd's/lp's takes you deeper into his music. don't=

expect anything from john zorn and you'll be rewarded with lots of
interesting music and stuff.

cheers
roland

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:32:50
From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Angelus Novus

So I bought Angelus Novus yesterday...

I'm just listening to it, and so far it's pretty good. In fact the first
composition "For Your Eyes Only" is one of the most kinetic pieces I've
heard from Mr. Zorn in quite a while. It's got some pretty funny musical
paraphrases, some good twelve tone stuff and on the whole is a satisfying,
coherent piece.

Right now I'm listening to Carny for solo piano. It's excellent. It's kind
of reminiscnent of early twentieth century piano works, especially those by
Schoenberg, Poulenc and Messiaen ... yet there are also some brief
interjections of jazzier themes.

If Angelus Novus is any indication, I'd say it's going to be a good year
for Zorn related music.

Jesse


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:46:40
From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trying to "turn on" others to Zorn

I look at people and wonder: would this person like Zorn? I don't have many
of Zorn's CDs so I think of NAKED CITY as a test case. I told a guy (in his
early 20's) at work about Zorn, saying how he's a sax player in New York;
that he's been influenced by Ornette Coleman and Anthony Braxton, but also
punk; that he has quick changes in the music and uses a variety of musical
styles; that he's versatile and uses the "post-modern" approach of
quotation within his work. I said if you like "stomp on your face, kick
your head" music you might like it. His eyes get wide, his mouth opens in
a smile: YEAH. So I bring him NAKED CITY and he takes it home for the
night.

He got through "about the first four songs and checked a couple others."
Too much quick changing, too wild, too much "angst" - this last point being
said thrice, clearly being something he felt encapsulated his complaint.

I bet he didn't even get to the Bond theme.

Good thing I didn't give him Pain Killer.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota

If anyone knows of a possible Zorn event in the Twin Cities let me know.





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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:56:24 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Angelus Novus

>So I bought Angelus Novus yesterday...
So did I, a few days ago...

I put it on and listened for a while and the best way I can describe "For
Your Eyes Only" is Naked City for classical.  It seems to be interrupting
itself repeatedly, just like the Naked City stuff.  My roomate turned me on
to "New York Flat Top Box" a few weeks ago, that's a tune I relly enjoy.
It fucks with itself but remains coherent.  This is not to say I don't like
it though... Sometimes I wish it had a longer attention span.  I know Zorn
can do it too, take Bar Kohkba for example, these are full pieces.  The
solo piano piece is similar but it's on solo piano.

I realized that I missed the second piece entirely as I was in
conversation.  The only part I remember is the part where a person is half
playing, half grunting through his flute...

I give it an "interesting" and another listen definitely.



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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:16:44 -0500
From: "Andy Marks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Filmworks 8

Anybody know what the projected US
release date for Filmworks 8 is?

Also, is it just me or do other people have
problems accessing the news sections at
www.tzadik.com?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:33:28 PST
From: "The Platypus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Any Aussie Zorn Fans Out There?

Just wondering whether there were any JOHN ZORN or NAKED CITY fans out
there living in Australia? Let me know privately if possible but in the
meantime check this out!: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/8730


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Date: 30 Jan 1998 20:35:49 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Matthias Hoffmann)
Subject: [none]

Hallo,
I am a novice of the 'Zorn List' and I want to introduce myself with a rather
profane question:
what equipment (horn+mouthpiece) does John use?

Thanks a lot
Matthias

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:32:59 -0500
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: VICTO 98

Would someone be kind enough to post the lineup for this year's
Victoriaville Festival again?
Thanks.

James Hale

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:35:36 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Arto Lindsay, Robert Quine, Ikue Mori interviews

Greetings,

For the new year (which isn't so new anymore), we have these new articles
at  the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever
<http://www.furious.com/perfect>

ARTO LINDSAY INTERVIEW
    Shronk meets samba in a fixture of downtown music
ROBERT QUINE INTERVIEW
    'Side man' extraordinary
IKUE MORI INTERVIEW
    Funky drummer machine virtuoso

A special thanks goes out to the people here on the Zorn list who wrote in
about Quine- thanks to you, we were able to talk him into doing an interview.

As always, we're looking for material for future issues of Perfect Sound,
so let us know if you have any brainstorms or contributions to share with
the online world.

See you in cyberspace,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
Warped perspectives on all types of music
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:50:50 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Follow up to Jill Kroesen

Thought I'd follow up on my post for info on Jill Kroesen's "Stop
Vicious Cycles". I found that, even after 16 years, it's still available
on vinyl from Lovely Music at :

http://www.lovely.com

Just in case anyone was interested. It's far from a great album IMHO,
but worth the buy, if only just to hear Bill Laswell wailing away on sax
during the 9+ minute "Fay Shism Blues". A somewhat funny coincidence to
me getting the album this week, as the first song is about the leading
politicians in America needing an insatiable sex-drive!

SW
Want List and Laswell Discography at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093

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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:29:49
From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Osaka Bondage [film]

Osaka Bondage - A film by Henry Hills with music by Naked City.

Has anyone seen it? Is it a story, a porn film, a documentary, or what?

Doug McKay
In Minnesota

Picked up SPY vs Spy and Black Box today. Great stuff!






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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 03:04:48 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey

Perfect Sound Forever wrote:

> Funny that you mention George Winston as they happen to be pals- Fahey admits that
> George's stuff is pretty wishy-washy but still insists that the guy's got a wild
> and mischievous streak to him that doesn't come out in his recordings and
> concerts.

I saw George Winston play live once as an obligation of the job I held at the time.
It's probably the only concert at which I've actually fallen asleep.  I do remember at
one point a bat flew into the theatre and was far more interesting to track than
anything happening onstage.  Yet for his encore Barefoot George had the stagehands
haul the San Antonio Symphony's celeste onstage for him, and he played only Jelly Roll
Morton and Fats Waller tunes.  Would that *that* had been the concert instead... this
was as impish as anything I've ever known George Winston to do (aside from getting his
own label, Magenta, during the Windham Hill years and then using it to issue a
Professor Longhair LP and two volumes of Anthony Braxton playing standards).

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 03:13:46 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Filmworks 8

Andy Marks wrote:

> Anybody know what the projected US
> release date for Filmworks 8 is?

Tuesday, February 17.  Other Zorn-related content to be issued that day:
Masada 9 (*fantastic* as usual) on DIW, EaSide Percussion (Pugliese,
Bard and Evans - haven't listened to it yet) and Pieces (Buckethead and
Brain - I was unimpressed but others will be) on Avant, and Milford
Graves solo "Grand Unification" on Tzadik.

> Also, is it just me or do other people have
> problems accessing the news sections at
> www.tzadik.com?

I haven't had this problem.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 05:10:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: baxter/kagel/sato/fahey

John Q Citizen wrote:

>>Unnh; dunno if anyone really cares about this stuff - sorry if I've
>>wasted your time.
the Les Baxter/Sun Ra connection is very interesting...

>>Mauricio Kagel - Exotica (Deutsche Grammophon)
>>Anyone know anything about this title? Patrice??
(Steve Smith probably already answered this (I get the Zorn-digest), but
I'm sure he'd be appalled by my description so.....)
Released on Koch a few years ago (during the Steve Smith era) --
dozens of instruments from Indonesia, Africa, India, Asia, etc. and even
some samples of 'authentic' music played by The Ensemble Modern, but
sounding more like The Sun City Girls than any other E.M. I've heard...
the singing is wild...

>>Masaru Sato - The Film Music Of Masaru Sato, Vol. 11 (Soundtrack
>>Listeners Communication)
Major league Japanese film composer from the 50s to 90s (?), as
prolific as Rota, Morricone etc., his work ranges from Kurosawa (several
of Kurowsawa's late 50s films including Hidden Fortress) to Godzilla
flicks to The Silk Road.  There are at least 20 volumes in this series
which spells his name 'Satoh'  (liner notes in Japanese only).  I picked
up Vol.2 on Ikue's recommendation.

>>someone else said something or other about John Fahey collage pieces and
>>new age music
"Requia" (Vanguard, 1967) is way out. It's on CD and there was also a
new age lp reissue (on Terra Records with a VERY new age cover) that's
frequently in the used new age bins (generally very cheap, 'cause those
newagers have no use for vinyl.... Um...Die yuppie scum.....

dn


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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 05:25:41 -0500 (EST)
From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: dragon blue

Tom Pratt writ:
>>Has anybody heard or heard anything about this new Avant disc?
>>DRAGON BLUE - Hades Park (AVAN-075)

Tenko's band with Otomo Yoshihide, Kato Hideki, Imahori Tsuneo, Sotoyama
Akira. Her previous album "Dragon Blue" (Sound Factory) had same line-up
except for Yoshida drumming instead of Sotoyama, playing live versions of
all of Tenko's 'hits' (from Mizutama Shobodan/Polka Dot Fire Brigade to
Death Praxis).


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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:15:31 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey

>I saw George Winston play live once as an obligation of the job I held at
the time.
>It's probably the only concert at which I've actually fallen asleep.
>
>Steve Smith

Similar thing happened to me, only I couldn't sleep, and there was no bat,
so I walked out.

s~Z



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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:51:27 +0900 (JST)
From: katsuhiro hayasaka <[e-mail]>
Subject: carny

I bought "Angelus Novus" a few days ago. And I listened it 2 or 3
times. I think it's great. John Zorn is a truly contemporary composer.
"Carny" is my favorite piece. Stephen Drury is great, virtuosic !
It seems to me that it is a solo piano version of Naked City's
"speedfreaks" or "Automata of Al-jazari" in "First Recordings
1973". Highly Intensional, but at the same time beautiful piece, I think.
By the way I looked the liner notes, and I found carny is composed in
'89. Then I looked the liner notes of "Book of heads". I found carny is
compoed in '92. ??? Which is true ?

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Katsuhiro Hayasaka
[e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:51:29 +0900 (JST)
From: katsuhiro hayasaka <[e-mail]>
Subject: derek bailey new releases

Duo with Min Xiao Fen (pipa). Avant/Tzadik: spring 1998?
Possible issue of old trio with Milford Graves and Min Tanaka: Tzadik? 1998?

I found these in Derek Bailey's web site.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mbailey.html

Does anyone know about these ?

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Katsuhiro Hayasaka
[e-mail]
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:09:46 +0100
From: "Felix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TV Shit

As anyone out there ever heard the album TV Shit with Yamantaka Eye and
Sonic Youth? If so, how's it like?

BTW, I'm new to the list and I worship John Zorn's music (but then again,
don't we all?)

Felix, who is realising that most of the good musical artists come from New
York.
[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:56:39 +0100
From: "Felix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Osaka Bondage [film]

>Osaka Bondage - A film by Henry Hills with music by Naked City.
>
>Has anyone seen it? Is it a story, a porn film, a documentary, or what?


Well, there is a song called Osaka Bondage. I must be on Black Box, in the
Torture Garden stuff. I have my Torture Garden included in a Nked City CD
called Grand Guignol which also has a 20 minute music called Grand Guignol
and some stuff originally composed by some classical composers like Debussy.
As wether it's a film, I don't know, but the song starts with what seems to
be a film (gunshot, pain moaning, a japanese woman crying something...)

Felix
[e-mail]



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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:22:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Osaka Bondage [film]

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Doug McKay wrote:

> Osaka Bondage - A film by Henry Hills with music by Naked City.

I may be misremembering, but I believe this is one of the Naked City songs
Hills did a video for.  So this may just be a music video.  (Lots of cutup
footage from actual Japanese bondage films if it's the one I'm thinking
of.)

Chris Hamilton


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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:18:53 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Fahey

At 03:04 AM 2/1/98 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:

>I saw George Winston play live once as an obligation of the job I held at
the time.
>It's probably the only concert at which I've actually fallen asleep.  I do
remember at
>one point a bat flew into the theatre and was far more interesting to
track than
>anything happening onstage.  Yet for his encore Barefoot George had the
stagehands
>haul the San Antonio Symphony's celeste onstage for him, and he played
only Jelly Roll
>Morton and Fats Waller tunes.  Would that *that* had been the concert
instead... this
>was as impish as anything I've ever known George Winston to do (aside from
getting his
>own label, Magenta, during the Windham Hill years and then using it to
issue a
>Professor Longhair LP and two volumes of Anthony Braxton playing standards).

Ugh- I hate to be in a position where I have to defend George Winston!  OK,
we all know that he's put out a lot of music that's been cited as unfair
competition from Somenex. Yet, as you say, he's also responsible for
putting out that Longhair LP (which is a major public service IHMO), the
Braxton material and even some good native Hawaiian music compilations that
are much more authentic than Don Ho.

I'm waiting to get some material from John's bio and then I'm going to put
up an interview I did with him.  He's an excerpt about what he thinks about
George Winston:

'He's... a rebellious type.  When he was in high school, he and his friends
decided that they wanted to destroy a talk show in Florida.  They recorded
about 90 minutes of lunatic phone calls that they made and they're funny as
hell.  Even though George plays nice, passive dinner music on stage,
backstage he's really good.  He plays really good guitar too.  There is a
lot of rebellion in him- he just doesn't show it onstage.'

Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
Warped perspectives on all types of music
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect

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