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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #217
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, January 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 217
In this issue:
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Re: Zorn's favourite album(s)
SWANS
Re: golden palominos
Milk Cilt
Content-Type: text/plain
I think I'm turning japanese
well...who's good?
Re: well...who's good?
Re: well...who's good?
Dolphy
Laswell in EQ
Masada Sets
Laswell d'n'b remixes
Re: Boredoms/Eye?
Re: I think I'm turning japanese
Re: Zorn 's favourite records (fwd)
Re: Coltrane & Dolphy
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:34:18 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Zorn's favourite album(s)
I saw this Downbeat in Barnes and Noble: they asked people to list
ONE favourite album: Dave Douglas gave No Blues (the Davis Quintet
1967 on JMY), Myra Melford gave the complete Herbie Nichols set, the
complete Andrew Hill Blue Note set on Mosaic, and the Ornette/Joachim
Kuhn "Colors"; Zorn (like Martin Scorcese who, once asked for his top
ten films, provided a list of 200) gave so many that I can barely
remember any. What I do remember are the Herbie Nichols set
(which he, I and Myra are 100% together on); and Jimmy Giuffre's Free
Fall (which he's on his own with as far as I'm concerned). on
Giuffre, he raved about the squeaky clarinet tone and the group
interaction - for me there isn't enough group, it's mostly solo
and a few duos, so it doesn't come close to Thesis, Fusion or the
live 1961 recordings.
PS All you Coltrane fans - what about Coltrane's Sound and Plays The
Blues (ca. MFT)?? And, good as OLE is, I reckon AFRICA/BRASS is
two degrees better.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:46:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: SWANS
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, David J. Keffer wrote:
> Regarding "SWANS ARE DEAD", that second disc is basically straight from
> "Soundtracks for the Blind", the last (1996) part-studio/part-live 2cd.
with all this talk about swans, i thought i might get in a question. i
recently picked up the _cop_ cd which also includes the "raping a slave"
e.p. and i've been revisiting it quite a lot. what else is good from that
time period (i guess early 80's) and is any of it still available?
b
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:11:48 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: golden palominos
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:11:20 -0500 (EST)
> From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
> Subject: golden palominos
>
> To add to the confusion: Fier used the name Golden Palominos on 2 tracks
> on David Thomas' 1981 "The Sound Of The Sand" (2nd post-Pere Ubu release)
> Golden Palominos:
>
Jeez, you really DO need a score card for this. I wonder if what else Anton calls Golden
Palominos?
>
>
> (I think a different 'Golden Palominos' line-up also appeared on Kip
> Hanrahan's first or 2nd album)
>
> Fier's mid-70s Cleveland days can be heard on two CDs:
> The Styrenes "It's Artastic" (Homestead)
> Styrenes/Mirrors/Electric Eels "Those Were Different Times" (Scat)
> and several singles by Styrenes and X-X
The Scat CD is a really interesting piece of history- not to mention the unique packaging. The NYC
scene has been pretty well documented by now but this was something very different that literally
came out of nowhere (kind of like the Athens scene). Didn't realize until now that Anton and Ubu
were a natural pairing since they had similar roots.
BTW, someone on the list was saying that they multiple postings and I've seen this too.
Jason
- --
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Warped perspectives on all types of music
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:13:54 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Milk Cilt
I know this is sort of off-Zorn, but there is sort of a three degrees of
separation, as Mike Patton does some vocals. Could someone who knows something
about them mail me privately with some history, etc.?
I'd sure appreciate it, and I didn't know where else to ask.
Thanks,
Peter
risser@goodnews.net
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:35:48 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain
I didn't see this posted yet, and most of you probably already get the
Downtown Music Gallery newsletter, but for those who have not heard,
this is the Victoriaville festival lineup for 1998, given to us by the
eminent Mr Bruce Gallanter:
>
>Here it is! The much anticipated VICTORIAVILLE festival schedule for
this
>year, May 14th to 18th:
>1.JOHN ZORN chamber works w/ Friedlander, Shea, Feldman, Coleman,
Winant
>2.ACCORDIAN TRIBE w/ Lars Hollmer, Guy Klucevsek, Maria Kalanemi
>3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
>4.CLUSONE TRIO w/ Micheal Moore, Ernst Reijseger, Han Bennink
>5.GERRY HEMINGWAY QUINT. w/ Ray Anderson, Ellery Eskelin, Mark Dresser
>6.VOLAPUK ex-Etron Fou
>7.DOPPELMOPPEL w/ Konrad & Johannes Bauer, Uwe Kropinski, Joel Sache
>8.The EX!!
>9.URS LEIMGRUBER Trio
>10.IKUE MORI/JOHN ZORN/MIKE PATTON
>11.MATTHEW SHIPP TRIO
>12.CHRIS BURN UNIT w/ John Butcher, John Russel, Stevie Wishart
>13.THE NIHILIST SPASM BAND
>14.MIKE PATTON UNIT w/ Shea, Friedlander, Feldman, Winant, Pugliese
>15.RENE LUSSIER solo
>16.PAVEL FAJT & PLUTO
>17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables
>18.MIYA MASAOKA solo koto, buddy of Henry Kaiser
>19.KLETKA RED yiddish punk w/ member(s) of the Ex
>20.NORMAND GUILBEAULT w/ Jean Derome, Pierre Tanguay...
>21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis Dhomont, Robert Normandeau
>22.HARD RUBBER ORCHESTRA from Vanvouver
>23.INTERFERENCES SARDINES from Quebec
>24.BRAAXTAAL w/ Jaap Blonk crazy vocalist from Holland
>25.QUEEN MAB cool female improv duo from Canada
>26.MALCOLM GOLDSTEIN solo violin
> pretty fucking amazing!! This will be my 10th year going up to
>Victo, can't wait!! --Bruce
>
It does rock the mind, does it not?
KSH
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:41:44 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: I think I'm turning japanese
Dumb joke, but I need guidance on 1.)Good Fushitsusha/Heino to get;
2.)where can Japanese stuff be bought cheap (esp. PSF stuff)--or rather
cheapER. Apologies if I am missing leads that run through the list, but
I'm rather new and I need loving guidance. After all, I missed punk
altogether. I feel that I don't even know what's been happening in the
undercurrents of "rock" for the past thirty years. Feel free to pass
your own picks along to me, if you have the time.
Oh, and of course e-mail me privately so none of this clutters the list
with redundancies.
Thanks and salutations,
KSH
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:54:57 -0500 (EST)
From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: well...who's good?
I'm trying to decide if I want to go to the victo festival, and since I
only have marginal interest in the Zorn related projects it'll depend on
the quality of the other folks. And it's good excuse for some talk of
unknowns (to me at least).
So any one got any information and opinions on the below people?
>>3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>6.VOLAPUK ex-Etron Fou
>>7.DOPPELMOPPEL w/ Konrad & Johannes Bauer, Uwe Kropinski, Joel Sache
>>9.URS LEIMGRUBER Trio
>>12.CHRIS BURN UNIT w/ John Butcher, John Russel, Stevie Wishart
>>15.RENE LUSSIER solo
>>16.PAVEL FAJT & PLUTO
>>17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables
>>18.MIYA MASAOKA solo koto, buddy of Henry Kaiser
>>20.NORMAND GUILBEAULT w/ Jean Derome, Pierre Tanguay...
>>21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis Dhomont, Robert Normandeau
>>22.HARD RUBBER ORCHESTRA from Vanvouver
>>23.INTERFERENCES SARDINES from Quebec
>>24.BRAAXTAAL w/ Jaap Blonk crazy vocalist from Holland
>>25.QUEEN MAB cool female improv duo from Canada
>>26.MALCOLM GOLDSTEIN solo violin
matt
- ------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."
- -
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:05:56 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: well...who's good?
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:54:57 -0500 (EST) Matthew Colonnese wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide if I want to go to the victo festival, and since I
> only have marginal interest in the Zorn related projects it'll depend on
> the quality of the other folks. And it's good excuse for some talk of
> unknowns (to me at least).
> So any one got any information and opinions on the below people?
>
>
> >>3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>6.VOLAPUK ex-Etron Fou
> >>7.DOPPELMOPPEL w/ Konrad & Johannes Bauer, Uwe Kropinski, Joel Sache
>
> >>9.URS LEIMGRUBER Trio
Urs is a fantastic sax player from Switzerland. If you like people such
as Evan Parker or John Butcher, you should check him.
The record with Marilyn Crispell mentioned recently on this list (can't
remember either the title or label... but can't forget the music -- an
outstading improv record) shows him at his best.
> >>12.CHRIS BURN UNIT w/ John Butcher, John Russel, Stevie Wishart
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just when you thought that nobody could go beyond Evan Parker, come
people like Urs and John. John was initially very influenced by Parker
but this is not the case anymore. He has developped his own style and
I think that he really succeeded in extending sax technique not just for
the sake of extending it, but really to create a new language.
On the other side, I still can't stand John Russell. I did not like him
15 years ago; I still don't. But many people whose taste I respect are
nuts about him. I guess I might have missed something (which would not
be the first time...).
> >>15.RENE LUSSIER solo
> >>16.PAVEL FAJT & PLUTO
> >>17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables
> >>18.MIYA MASAOKA solo koto, buddy of Henry Kaiser
>
> >>20.NORMAND GUILBEAULT w/ Jean Derome, Pierre Tanguay...
> >>21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis Dhomont, Robert Normandeau
> >>22.HARD RUBBER ORCHESTRA from Vanvouver
> >>23.INTERFERENCES SARDINES from Quebec
> >>24.BRAAXTAAL w/ Jaap Blonk crazy vocalist from Holland
> >>25.QUEEN MAB cool female improv duo from Canada
> >>26.MALCOLM GOLDSTEIN solo violin
>
> matt
>
>
>
> ------
> "Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
> kept them apart, spatially."
>
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:14:52 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: well...who's good?
>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Colonnese <matthew.colonnese@yale.edu> writes:
>>> 3.MARILYN CRISPELL/JOELLE LENDRE/FRITZ HAUSER
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Leandre is a bass player specializing in new classical music (Cage et
al) as well as improvised. Hauser is an extremely meticulous, and
extremely accomplished Swiss percussionist, also working both in
classical and improvised. Sounds like a pretty good piano trio to me,
but might be a little cerebral for some tastes.
>>> 15.RENE LUSSIER solo
Guitarist with large sense of humor, often plays with Fred Frith and
Nick Didkovsky (Dr. Nerve), used to be with Conventum, an early
folk-rock-jazz group at the center of the Montreal-based Ambience
Magnetiques group. I'd expect lively, offbeat, possibly quirky,
guitar based.
>>> 17.MARTIN TETRAULT solo turntables
Turntable/vinyl wizard very similar to Christian Marclay. He cuts up
records and puts individual pieces together, chaotic and noisy (this
is a good thing).
>>> 21.ARTURO PARRACOUSMATIQUE w/ Francis Dhomont, Robert
>>> Normandeau
This sounds fabulous! Both are well known electroacoustic composers,
although I haven't yet heard any recent work by Dhomont (just received
Frankenstein Symphony today, but haven't listened to it yet). I'd
expect unearthly sounds the likes of which you've never heard before,
hopefully with some kind of multimedia accompaniment (tapes of
computer music can make a dull concert).
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:33:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jbivins@indiana.edu>
Subject: Dolphy
I don't know if anybody else has posted this, but to whoever was asking
about Dolphy I've got to recommend "Far Cry". Others might not like this
one so much, but it's got "Ode to Charlie Parker", "Mrs. Parker of K.C."
and "Miss Ann". Not only great music in its own right, but it gives some
good insight into where Dave Douglas is coming from (i.e. great playing
from Booker Little -- another deserving discographical conversation), as
well as Marty Ehrlich (see his killer album "Can You Hear A Motion?".
Anyway, I just had to throw that in -- it's probably my favorite after
"Out to Lunch".
Jason Bivins
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:59 -0700
From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Laswell in EQ
hey all!
just beating around my office pondering the true nature of beauty, Wynton,
Keith Jarrett, and my favorite Coltrane album (was going to respond to that
one, but. . . Where to start?)
Anyway, a fellow freak from the studio down the hall handed me a copy of
the January 1998 issue of EQ magizine. There, on the cover, looking just a
bit too much like Castro is EQ's coverboy: Bill Laswell! Haven't gotten
to read much of the artical, but Zorn is mentioned in the first paragraph
as one of Bill's long list of credits.
Is downtown music moving uptown? Probably not, but it's still nice to see
someone with a soul in one of the industry rags. . .(Wonder if that will
spark anything?!?) Check it out!
As a complete side note, does anyone know what tape/delay/sample thingie
Bill Frisell has been using all these years? Somebody said that he had it
made specially for him. If anyone knows, drop me a line, I'd love to know.
later,
Doug
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:21:34 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Masada Sets
Hi there,
I'm new to this list... but that doesn't matter.
I heard a rumor that Masada is done. Also I heard that after releasing
Nine and Ten, he's going to release two boxed sets. One would be the ten
disc studio set of all the albums and the other one would be another ten
disc set of live material. Is this true? I shudder to think about how
much I'll have to spend if it is...
Thanks,
Dan
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:34:57 -0500
From: Scott Gilliam <scottg@alienskin.com>
Subject: Laswell d'n'b remixes
Hey all,
I've been super lax in keeping up with the posts to the mailing list, so
this may have already been mentioned. Anyway, I picked up an album of
remixes of Bill Laswell's Oscillations. I had purchased Oscillations
already and was disappointed so I decided to pick up the remixes on
vinyl instead of CD (and save the extra buck). I like it pretty well.
There's several styles of drum 'n bass on it.
However there is a particular track that fucking rocks. I don't have
the info with me -- I'm at work, but whoever did this track is a genius.
It uses empty space between single beats in a cut up break so that the
beats sound like rhythmic static. This gradually builds to a full beat
augmented with pitch-bent rolls reminiscent of Squarepusher. The track
rolls on (or staggers on, hopping) until it breaks down into a
slowed-down, simplified version of the same beat. Very mellow. This
goes on for a while until the original beat, or some flavor of it, comes
back full force. The DJ plays with this to the outro where the beat
breaks down to static like beats and noise.
Best,
Scott A. Gilliam
Forklift Daddy
ALIEN SKIN SOFTWARE, LLC
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:53:12 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Boredoms/Eye?
surprised no one has mentioned
the BOpoint web site, which
features the amazing Boredoms
and related discographies by
wizard Dave Watson.
http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ngzF92/bo/point.html
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:42:14
From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: I think I'm turning japanese
At 12:41 PM 1/27/98 PST, Scott Handley wrote:
> I need guidance on 1.)Good Fushitsusha/Heino to get;
Don't know why but I can never resist trying to turn people onto
Fushitsusha. So with that in mind:
PURPLE TRAP (Blast First) is an exciting and somewhat more widely available
double album which features all the marshall stacks turned up to eleven.
ALLEGORICAL MISUNDERSTANDING (Avant) Much darker and colder in tone than
the above, this album features music of real beauty and passion (esp track
no. 9).
THE CAUTION APPEARS (Disques du Soleil et L'Acier) A french import, this
album is all instrumental and very very intense.
And of Course: PSF 3/4 and PSF 15/16 if you can find them.
You might also want to check out the album Keiji Haino recorded with Derek
Bailey. Seventy minutes of wonderful guitar improvisations.
All the best,
Jesse
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:58:15 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn 's favourite records (fwd)
>From tpratt@smtc.net Sat Dec 13 17:32:53 1997
>
>Herbie Nichols - The Complete Blue Note Recordings (Blue Note)
>Sonny Rollins - Sonny Meets Hawk! (RCA Victor)
>Jimmy Giuffre 3 - Free Fall (Columbia)
>Kim So-Hee - P'ansori II Saeng (Jigu)
>Frank Sinatra - The Reprise Years (Warner/Reprise)
>Les Baxter - The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter (Capitol)
>Mauricio Kagel - Exotica (Deutsche Grammophon)
>Masaru Sato - The Film Music Of Masaru Sato, Vol. 11 (Soundtrack
>Listeners Communication)
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:04:30 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Coltrane & Dolphy
>From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
(snip)
>
>PS All you Coltrane fans - what about Coltrane's Sound and Plays The
>Blues (ca. MFT)?? And, good as OLE is, I reckon AFRICA/BRASS is
>two degrees better.
>
For sure, Africa/Brass is a killer! And I seem to recall that Dolphy did
some arrangements for these sessions (and playing too? I'll have to
check). I've read Lester Bangs waxing hysterical about this set, and it
deserved every bit. Magical sound quality on the new 20-bit 2CD
re-issue, too.
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