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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #216
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 216
In this issue:
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Re: COLTRANE
COLTRANE
Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
John Zorn Radio Hour
Doctor Nerve European tour
Zorn's favorite albums
Re: COLTRANE
Re: Zorn's favorite albums
RE: "New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands"
Re: Zorn's favorite albums
Re: COLTRANE
Torture Garden Live!
Re: Otomo discography (was My latest purchases)
Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Just Checking
SWANS (was: Re: My latest purchases)
Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
Re: COLTRANE
golden palominos
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #215
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:24:51 -0500
From: "Chris Barrett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
I believe Dolphy is also on the Mingus Complete Town Hall Concert.
>
>Dolphy also played on Mingus at Antibes (1960 Rhino/Atlantic) and on Mingus
>Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1961 Impulse).
>
>Good stuff all around.
>
>Jesse
>
>
>-
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:24:55 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: COLTRANE
Thanks to the original requester of Coltrane info.
Got me back into my Coltrane collection.
This morning...crisp cool dawn...fire roaring in the hearth...Coltrane and
Sanders burning the airwaves from LIVE IN JAPAN...
Cannot be beat.
(There was even a Coltrane thread recently on a book discussion list).
s~Z
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out". (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.") MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).
Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:59:03 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
At 08:27 AM 1/26/98 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
>On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>>
>> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
>> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
>> quite a ways "out". (This includes the dope who traded me
>> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
>> but he can't play jazz.") MFT is a great, great record (and this
>> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
>> Kind Of Blue).
>
>Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
>Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
>modal structures.
On the Ole CD I have, Dolphy IS credited.
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:57:01 -0500
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: John Zorn Radio Hour
Just saw JZ radio hour being offered at auction at this url:
http://www.ab-cd.com/auction.html
I'm not affiliated with these guys, but have done business with them.
(never the auction)
It's going at 27.00 now...
- -Sean
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:20:23 EST
From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Doctor Nerve European tour
Sorry to be a little late getting this out, but there's a tour by Doctor Nerve
starting in about 1 week:
February 4th Roma, Italy
February 5th Florence (or) Padova , Italy
February 6th Schio (near Vicenza), Italy
February 7th Meldola (near Forli), Italy
February 8th Bologna, Italy
February 9th TBA
February 10th Roxy - Ulm, Germany
February 11th Desi - Nurnberg, Germany
February 12th Moritzbastei - Leipzig, Germany
February 13th ZV-Bunker - Chemnitz, Germany
February 14th Engelskeller - Gera, Germany
February 15th Faust e.V. - Hannover, Germany
February 16th Paradox - Tilburg, Netherlands
February 17th Musikbunker - Aachen, Germany
February 18th AKW - Wurzburg, Germany
February 19th Porgy & Bess - Wien, Austria
February 20th Alter Schlachthof - Wels, Austria
February 21st St. Johann in Tirol, Germany
February 22nd Grabenhalle - St. Gallen, Switzerland
The personnel of Doctor Nerve is:
Nick Didkovsky - guitar
Greg Anderson - bass
Leo Ciesa - drums
Kathleen Supove - keyboards
Michael Lytle - bass clarinet
Rob Henke - trumpet
Yves Duboin - soprano sax
[David Douglas had to leave the group due to his many many commitments
elsewhere, but there's still plenty of interest about the group to the reader
of this group]
Steve F.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:37:28
From: "Doug McKay" <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Zorn's favorite albums
In the latest DOWNBEAT several people list their favorite albums. Zorn
participates. I scanned it in the store. He mentiones Frank Sinatra. The
others I can't remember. The mag wasn't interesting otherwise, so I'm not
going to buy it.
If someone would post Zorn's list, I think it'd be a good topic for
discussion.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:37:36 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
Okay, last night a friend of mine (bless his heart) played me a bit of
Alice Coltrane's 'journey to satchadananda' (or something like that...).
It was, it is, so cool, so funky, and so beautifull...i must find my own.
Any thoughts/comments on John's muse-ical partner? This is the first time
i'd heard anything by her.
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:19:30 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn's favorite albums
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Doug McKay wrote:
> In the latest DOWNBEAT several people list their favorite albums. Zorn
> participates. I scanned it in the store. He mentiones Frank Sinatra. The
> others I can't remember. The mag wasn't interesting otherwise, so I'm not
> going to buy it.
Select "Zorn's Top 10" at http://www.tzadik.com/ for a current list.
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:26:33 -0500
From: R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: "New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands"
I've also enjoyed these recordings - especially HWANG CHIN-EE with Samm
Bennett and Joey Baron (I am a drummer so this may explain my preferences=
).
Although I think I know Joey Baron's "sound" rather well from various
recordings, I nonetheless have problems distinguishing the two drummers
here. =
Which brings me to my question.
Does Samm Bennett really sound like Baron or was he using samples from
Baron's kit? I've been wondering about this and how they managed to play =
so
"tightly" together. Great stuff. Anyways, this list lurker must return to=
lurking. Bye.
Rob
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:21:36 EST
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn's favorite albums
<HTML>Actually, a better topic for discussion would be exactly why Downbeat
<B><I>IS</B></I> so boring lately.<BR>
<BR>
Dale.<BR>
</HTML>
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:05:30 -0600
From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:37:36 -0500 (EST) ia zha nah er vesen
<jwnarves@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
>
>Okay, last night a friend of mine (bless his heart) played me a bit of
>Alice Coltrane's 'journey to satchadananda' (or something like
>that...).
>It was, it is, so cool, so funky, and so beautifull...i must find my
>own.
>Any thoughts/comments on John's muse-ical partner? This is the first
>time
>i'd heard anything by her.
>
>-jascha
Alice Coltrane Rules. If you liked that album, you would do well to
check out "Ptah, the El Daoud" Which is the other one I've heard. You
can get them both on impulse. (Recently Remastered?)
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know.
- -P. Opus
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:50:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Dodds <toby@seanet.com>
Subject: Torture Garden Live!
I just realized I may not have posted this to the Zorn List.. I recently
uploaded a 27 minute Real Audio file of a live performance
by Zony Mash & guests performing Zorn's Torture Garden. The players include:
Zony Mash:
Wayne Horvitz - Keyboards
Timothy Young - Guitar
Fred Chalenor - Bass
Andy Roth - Drums
w/guests
Eyvind Kang - Violin
Skerik - Tenor Sax
Briggan Krauss - Alto Sax
Mike Stone - Drums
& Brad Mowen - Vocals
It's a pretty inspiring performance especially considering they rehearsed
it primarily the day of the show! Hope you like,
Toby
www.zonymash.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:35:16 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Otomo discography (was My latest purchases)
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:26:22 -0500 Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> At 04:18 AM 1/24/98 -0600, Craig Rath wrote:
> >
> >I need to find a complete discography of Otomo Yoshihide (although if there
> >is anything on there that is unavailable, I'll be plenty annoyed).
>
> Check out http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html, which, as I
> check this out again, lists a **new Ground Zero** album (pardon me while I
> foam at the mouth... there, I feel better now), actually a live Cassiber
> album with one of two disks remixed by Ground Zero. Anyway, lots of other
> Otomo info here, part of a Japanese free improvisers site.
>
> Oh yes, prepare to be plenty annoyed. Patrice's discography lists over 80
> items and stops in April 1997.
In fact, the counter is currently 99. 1997 has been a very productive year for
him! I will update the WNUR version soon.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out". (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.") MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).
Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out". (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.") MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).
Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:58:20 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Just Checking
I'm getting multiple copies of posts to the list, and they come several
hours apart. Sometimes I get as many as 3 copies. Ziss happening to others?
s~Z
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:53:00 -0500
From: "David J. Keffer" <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: SWANS (was: Re: My latest purchases)
>Just saw this today and noticed that Vudi, the amazingly textural
guitarist from
>American Music Club, was present on the second disc.
>Anyway, how is the second disc?
>Steve Smith
Regarding "SWANS ARE DEAD", that second disc is basically straight from
"Soundtracks for the Blind", the last (1996) part-studio/part-live 2cd.
Both "Dead"
and "Blind" have a live version of "One Small Sacrifice" (from the 1987
Skin album "Shame, Humility, Revenge") retitled "The Final Sacrifice"
which is done in a brutal Children of God style. I think the version on
"Blind" is much much better, simply staggering, and that one 11-minute track
alone makes the whole disc worthwhile. And "Blind" also features Vudi
on quite a few tracks. Plus "Blind" has five or six other great long
tracks. It's THE late-era SWANS album to get.
>This was followed by the utterly mindblowing _The Great Annihilator_ (1994,
>Invisible Records), which to me is the pinnacle of SWANS lifespan.
>- -Zachary
Just to provide a second opinion:
"The Great Annihilator" is the only shitty album SWANS ever released.
They have 20 some fantastic records and this one piece of crap.
On "Annihilator", they made grave compromises to the SWANS esthetic
in a shameful attempt to insert themselves into the "college-rock"
market. Can you imagine an album where Gira's beautiful, deep, and
sonorous voice is totally absent and the "hit single" is called
"Celebrity Lifestyle", a self-parody of the life of a rock-star, a song
the likes of which we should expect from no less than Morrissey?
That's how it is. As a long-time SWANS fan, I shook my head in
dismay when I heard that album. However, subsequent releases
like "Soundtracks for the Blind" restored my faith in SWANS.
I'm done now; I just had a violent reaction to a difference of
musical tastes.
These preposterous opinions provided gratis by David K.
p.s. this message is not zorn unrelated since SWANS have had
musicians play on their albums including Fred Frith, Anton Fier,
Bill Laswell... :)
- -
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:27:23 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Coltrane: My Favorite Things
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) "Andrew D. Boyko" wrote:
>
> Since we're all of like mind, it's easy to forget that to plenty
> of people, Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" is irreverent and
> quite a ways "out". (This includes the dope who traded me
> the CD, indicating, "I don't know what people see in this Coltrane,
> but he can't play jazz.") MFT is a great, great record (and this
> from a guy who's normally more in tune with Torture Garden than
> Kind Of Blue).
Even better, from the same period, OLE (with Dolphy under an alias).
Very listenable but with Coltrane starting to develop his use of
modal structures.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:17:34 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: COLTRANE
ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> Any thoughts/comments on John's muse-ical partner? This is the first time
> i'd heard anything by her.
Historically she's always taken a lot of crap (kinda like Yoko, when you get
right down to it), but I can hardly imagine a finer pianist for Coltrane's
later days and consider "Live at the Village Vanguard Again," "Live in
Japan," "Expression" and "Stellar Regions" to be the proof.
As for solo stuff I know little but aside from the lovely "Satchidananda,"
you could hardly go wrong with Pharoah Sanders, Joe Henderson, Ron Carter and
Ben Riley, the lineup Alice has on the recently reissued "Ptah, the El Daoud"
(which also features a really cool cover, somewhere between Santana and the
Metalheadz logo, but actually sounds a lot like Coltrane's modal period
immediately prior to the free stuff).
And I've read fine things about "A Monastic Trio," recently reissued in Japan
and thus way too expensive at Virgin in Times Square. I keep hoping that
somehow, someday, the U.S. operation will become as cool and/or as completist
as the Japanese branch, where you can get at least two of the three last
Albert Ayler records, lots of interesting Shepp, and even discs by Marion
Brown and Roswell Rudd that fans here are slobbering over (myself included).
There are hints of it happening, as I've read on rec.music.bluenose that a
considerable portion of the Shepp catalog (including the vital "Mama Too
Tight") is due for imminent release.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:11:20 -0500 (EST)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: golden palominos
Jason wrote:
>Just to make things confusing, The Lounge Lizards were originally going
>to be called the Golden Palominos.
To add to the confusion: Fier used the name Golden Palominos on 2 tracks
on David Thomas' 1981 "The Sound Of The Sand" (2nd post-Pere Ubu release)
Golden Palominos:
David Thomas - vocals
Richard Thompson - guitar, dulcimer
John Greaves - bass, piano
Anton Fier - drums, percussion
Allen Ravenstine - EML synthesizers
(I think a different 'Golden Palominos' line-up also appeared on Kip
Hanrahan's first or 2nd album)
Fier's mid-70s Cleveland days can be heard on two CDs:
The Styrenes "It's Artastic" (Homestead)
Styrenes/Mirrors/Electric Eels "Those Were Different Times" (Scat)
and several singles by Styrenes and X-X
- -
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:23:00 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #215
Jesse, (Ashley, Paul, Steve)
Just back from long holiday and horrified to find out that you guys
have been discussing Dolphy without me. Glad you've cleared up the
1963 question (haven't played that one in a while)
It surely is Eric on Epitaph on Town Hall Concert 1962. There's
even a better alternate take of this piece on the CD.
There're loads more recordings from the 1964 European tour, whioch
was bootlegged on a scale that belies the date of the tour. Sue
Mingus is trying to do something about it and released the
(first) Paris Concert (2CDs) at a very reasonable price. It's called
Revenge!
Only of interest to Dolphy-philes, but I came across a Benny Golson
CD (on Fresh Sound with an obviously incorrect recording date of
1957) which features Dolphy, Bill Evans, Wayne Shorter, Hubbard and
others, as soloists, playing standard bebop materials
(Dolphy has five? solos). Anyone know about this? I think it might
have been 1962, and wasn't there a string section overdubbed (not on
the CD) playing the original tunes (I Got Rhythm, Indiana, etc.)????
Dr. Sean Wilkie.
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