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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #198
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, December 30 1997 Volume 02 : Number 198
In this issue:
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Re: Fahay and Black
Re: Fahay and Black
Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
Wayne Horvitz's PIGPEN
another question about music
Re: another question about music
chadbourne vinyl
Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
Re: chadbourne vinyl
Lyrebird
While we're at it
Zorn in EW
Lyrebird -Reply
Re: Zorn in EW
McCabes
Re: McCabes
Re: Zorn in EW
Re: McCabes
Re: McCabes
Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
Re: Zorn in EW
Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:59:18 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Fahay and Black
At 06:35 AM 12/24/97 -0700, dennis summers wrote:
>this and the prior release. I know that his early work is also considered
>fantastic, but can anyone give me any insight?
His early work is quite trippy, although he denied any drug influences at
all. My favorite is the first, and most raw, of the Takoma releases,
called Blind Joe Death, sort of. The original LP cover had John Fahey in
black on the front and Blind Joe Death on the back. No indication of
title, or anything else, and given that he wasn't all that well-known at
the time, especially on the east coast, the whole thing had sort of a
strange and dark feeling that carried through into the music. There was
one very long piece, maybe the whole side, that was some sort of internal
exploration in a blues outfit.
This was followed by a number of releases on Takoma, some of which were
better than others, but they started having these bizarre inserts that
Fahey wrote, very much a product of the psychedelic era, even if not a
product of psychedelics. I would hazard a guess that most people who read
the whole inserts were chemical ingesters. (No comments on how many
inserts I read all the way through.)
Unfortunately, I don't think the Takomas are easy to find on CD if they
have ever been released. There is a 2-disk compilation, not bad, but it
includes some of his less interesting stuff from the Vanguard years and
later. My own take is that he went downhill on Vanguard, with each release
less interesting than the prior one.
One of the interesting things about Fahey is his influences, and while this
is straying very far from the normal Zorn topics, if you are interested in
Fahey's roots, check out Bukka White.
The funniest thing Fahey says in his quite detailed liner notes to the 2-CD
compilation is that he started playing faster because he thought Leo
Kottke, a great guitarist but far less original than Fahey (and Fahey had
the wisdom not to try to sing for us), was getting popular because he
played faster than Fahey. Or something like that. This is all from
memory, and given the number of liner notes that I did finish reading,
maybe that means you should take all of this with a certain amount of caution.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:17:40 -0800
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Fahay and Black
dennis summers wrote:
>
> Just wanted to take a moment to second somebody's (sorry, I've been catching
> up and lost track) positive comments on guitarist John Fahey's disk
> Womblife. I've been listening to it almost constantly since I got it a
> couple of weeks ago, and think it's easily one of the best disks of the
> year. It would not be out of place in any zornsters collections. It's got an
> ambient/wall of sound kind of approach, filled with noise and clatter, but
> also filled with emotion and the blues. Dark and disturbing, it doesn't get
> much better. I know that Fahey's been around since the 60's, but I only have
> this and the prior release. I know that his early work is also considered
> fantastic, but can anyone give me any insight?
Actually, he's been recording since the late 50's. A great place to
start is 'The Legend of Blind Joe Death' (Takoma, TAKCD-8901-2), which
includes solo performances from 1959--67. Beautiful stuff. I especially
like the sense one gets of Fahey sitting around, playing these great
pieces for his own enjoyment and not making a big deal about it. And, I
swear, there's one piece that, had I been given a blindfold test on the
first few notes, I would've guessed Derek Bailey.
Brian O.
- -
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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 18:34:35 EST
From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
After seeing Tim Berne's Bloodcount at the Old Office on Saturday, I
headed uptown to the cooler to check out Zorn with Marc Ribot and Elliot
Sharp. After leaving the homey atmosphere of the knit, the creepy
art-students-trying-to-impress-one-another, ooh we're being so creepy
atmosphere of the Cooler just pissed me off. After being subjected to a
few ridiculous experimental films, Zorn, Ribot and Sharp finally came on.
Now, I consider myself pretty open minded when it comes to avant-garde, I
love Derek Bailey, Eugene Chadbourne, etc, but I couldn't stand what was
being played. There didn't seem to be any real communication or passion
in the music. I didn't feel like sitting through it, and I left about 10
mintues into the set. So my question, (and there is one) is if I happened
to miss out on a mind blowing set that took a while to get going. Or was
this just another series of improvs from three masters?
Jamie
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:05:44 -0800
From: "James L. Kirchmer" <candela@soukous.com>
Subject: Wayne Horvitz's PIGPEN
Merry festivities to all of you -
and just a quick note today to let all you PIGPEN fans out there that
happen to live in the Pacific NW of the USA that this band is making a
RARE appearance tommorow, Saturday Dec. 27th, at the Rainbow in Seattle,
WA, located at the intersection(NE corner) of 45th St. and Interstate 5.
Special guests for the second set will include Timothy Young(Zony Mash)
and Skerik(Critters Buggin').
Sorry to make a post of such local nature, but the publicity for this
show has turned out to be minimal - and given that I'm such a rabid fan
I wouldn't want anyone out here to miss what might possibly be the FINAL
performance by this incredible outfit...
And for those of you not out here, celebrate Pigpen's swan song by
picking up their newly released CD titled DAYLIGHT. It is tres bien!
Happy new year in advance,
James Kirchmer, Seattle, WA
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:11:02 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: another question about music
Was Dave Brubeck's band really the first one to play jazz in non-standard
time signatures?
Just wondering...
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:55:21 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: another question about music
At 08:11 PM 12/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Was Dave Brubeck's band really the first one to play jazz in non-standard
>time signatures?
Depends what you mean by non-standard time signatures. Max Roach had an
album Jazz in 3/4 Time (with Sonny Rollins, Kenny Dorham, Ray Bryant, etc.)
which predated Brubeck's and Desmond's experiments by a couple of years, and
which was considered pretty radical at the time. Nothing quite as
extraordinary as Desmond's Take Five, but for the mid 1950s....
- --
Caleb T. Deupree
cdeupree@interagp.com, or
cdeupree@erinet.com
;; Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
;; (Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:17:51 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: chadbourne vinyl
i found an old chadbourne & someotherguy vinyl which i really like...
"Torture time" (Parachute Records)....
any comments on that.
BJOERN
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:00:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Jamie F Graves wrote:
> After leaving the homey atmosphere of the knit, the creepy
> art-students-trying-to-impress-one-another, ooh we're being so creepy
> atmosphere of the Cooler just pissed me off.
i've always liked the cooler. cool use of space and great booking.
don't be so cranky. just be glad that you can skip between two
clubs that support the avant-garde.
b
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:11:11 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
>On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Jamie F Graves wrote:
>
>> After leaving the homey atmosphere of the knit, the creepy
>> art-students-trying-to-impress-one-another, ooh we're being so creepy
>> atmosphere of the Cooler just pissed me off.
>
>i've always liked the cooler. cool use of space and great booking.
>don't be so cranky. just be glad that you can skip between two
>clubs that support the avant-garde.
>
>b
I wish we had such things to be pissed about in Lo-Cal So.California.
s~Z
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:11:56 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: chadbourne vinyl
bjoern:
> i found an old chadbourne & someotherguy vinyl which i really like...
> "Torture time" (Parachute Records)....
> any comments on that.
'someotherguy' is actually a woman named Polly Bradfield.
my comments-- this is an incredible record. wacked out, screechy,
intense, noisy etc. an excellent example of the underappreciated art of
Polly Bradfield.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:04:03 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Lyrebird
In the liners to Zorn's Strategies on Tzadik, he mentions that the pieces were
influenced by, among other things, the Lyrebird record on Folkways, which he
says is an "absolute classic". Does anyone know what this is?
Just wondering,
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:12:34 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: While we're at it
While I'm looking at liner notes, does anyone know the significance of the odd
clip-art collages in Strategies? Something similar also appeared in the archery
notes. Does anyone know what these are and if they have any special
significance?
Thanks,
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:19:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "R. Lynn Rardin" <RARDIN%ORION@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>
Subject: Zorn in EW
Is Zorn actually becoming <gasp> popular?! :^) He got two mentions in the
year-end double edition of Entertainment Weekly (#411/412; Dec. 26, 1997/
Jan. 2, 1998):
Page 65 under a "Burt Alert II" heading (Burt Alert I having been
about Burt Reynolds, of course :^):
Burt Bacharach had a rebirth of near-Tony Bennett proportions thanks to a
groovy cameo in Austin Powers and two tribute albums-one by pianist McCoy
Tyner, another from avant-jazzbos John Zorn and Bill Frisell."
The second mention comes on page 72 in the 1997 Timeline:
May 15. The Kids Are Albright. "Shut the f--- up," jazz performer John
Zorn yells at Manhattan's Knitting Factory, not realizing noisy
nightclubbers are Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, rocker Lou
Reed, and Czech president Vaclav Havel.
We knew this event couldn't possibly go unnoticed. Anyone care to
speculate whether or not Zorn would've taken this approach even if he
knew that Albright and crew were on board? EW implies not. I, on the
other hand, am not so sure.
- -Lynn (rardin%orion@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:52:36 -0500
From: Bryan E Cornell <bcor@loc.gov>
Subject: Lyrebird -Reply
Here's the bibliographic record of the lyrebird recording on Folkways from the Library of Congress' Web
page (http://lcweb.loc.gov). Back to lurking.
Bryan
Author: Halafoff, K. C.
Title: The lyrebird; a documentary study of its song.
[Sound recording]
Published: [n.p.] Folkways Records FX 6116. 1966.
Description: p. 2 s. 12 in. 33 1/3 rpm. microgroove.
Notes: "Commentary by K. C. Halafoff; read by Peter
Bruce."
Recorded in Australia by the author and Peter
Bruce.
"Introduction and background" and text of the
recording (4 p.) inserted in slipcase.
Subjects: Lyre-birds.
Bird-song.
Other authors: Bruce, Peter.
Control No.: r 68000565
>>> <peter_risser@cinfin.com> 12/30/97 08:04am >>>
In the liners to Zorn's Strategies on Tzadik, he mentions that the pieces were influenced by, among other
things, the Lyrebird record on Folkways, which he says is an "absolute classic". Does anyone know what
this is?
Just wondering,
Peter
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:11:07 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn in EW
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:19:37 -0500 (EST) "R. Lynn Rardin" wrote:
>
> Is Zorn actually becoming <gasp> popular?! :^) He got two mentions in the
> year-end double edition of Entertainment Weekly (#411/412; Dec. 26, 1997/
> Jan. 2, 1998):
>
> Page 65 under a "Burt Alert II" heading (Burt Alert I having been
> about Burt Reynolds, of course :^):
>
> Burt Bacharach had a rebirth of near-Tony Bennett proportions thanks to a
> groovy cameo in Austin Powers and two tribute albums-one by pianist McCoy
> Tyner, another from avant-jazzbos John Zorn and Bill Frisell."
>
> The second mention comes on page 72 in the 1997 Timeline:
>
> May 15. The Kids Are Albright. "Shut the f--- up," jazz performer John
> Zorn yells at Manhattan's Knitting Factory, not realizing noisy
> nightclubbers are Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, rocker Lou
> Reed, and Czech president Vaclav Havel.
>
> We knew this event couldn't possibly go unnoticed. Anyone care to
> speculate whether or not Zorn would've taken this approach even if he
> knew that Albright and crew were on board? EW implies not. I, on the
> other hand, am not so sure.
I doubt he you have care to say anything if it were not them :-).
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:48:44 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: McCabes
Any SoCalians Know what is happening at McCabes in Santa Monica? Nestled
among the folk bookings for the month of Jan. are appearances by Frisell and
Buckethead.
Hope springs eternal,
s~Z
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:10:30 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: McCabes
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:48:44 -0800 "Schwitterz" wrote:
>
> Any SoCalians Know what is happening at McCabes in Santa Monica? Nestled
> among the folk bookings for the month of Jan. are appearances by Frisell and
> Buckethead.
Talking about Buckethead, it seems that his record on Avant is out.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:06:23 EST
From: IOUaLive1 <IOUaLive1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn in EW
In a message dated 97-12-30 09:24:54 EST, RARDIN%ORION@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
writes:
<<
The second mention comes on page 72 in the 1997 Timeline:
May 15. The Kids Are Albright. "Shut the f--- up," jazz performer John
Zorn yells at Manhattan's Knitting Factory, not realizing noisy
nightclubbers are Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, rocker Lou
Reed, and Czech president Vaclav Havel.>>
I read a blurb about that incident in RollingStone? (or Musician, or Spin..
one of those magazines I pick up once in a while but rarely buy.)
<<
We knew this event couldn't possibly go unnoticed. Anyone care to
speculate whether or not Zorn would've taken this approach even if he
knew that Albright and crew were on board? EW implies not. I, on the
other hand, am not so sure. >>
I've heard him say worse things to people he knows in the audience!
Jody
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:32:24 -0600
From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: McCabes
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:10:30 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel"
<proussel@ichips.intel.com> writes:
>
>Talking about Buckethead, it seems that his record on Avant is out.
>
> Patrice.
>
BucketHeadLand? OR something new and wonderful?
**********************************************************
They broke up AT&T... why can't we break up God?
**********************************************************
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:47:51 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: McCabes
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:32:24 -0600 Nathan M Earixson wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:10:30 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel"
> <proussel@ichips.intel.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Talking about Buckethead, it seems that his record on Avant is out.
> >
> > Patrice.
> >
> BucketHeadLand? OR something new and wonderful?
No, another new record with a strange title.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:08:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
> > After leaving the homey atmosphere of the knit, the creepy
> > art-students-trying-to-impress-one-another, ooh we're being so creepy
> > atmosphere of the Cooler just pissed me off.
>
> i've always liked the cooler. cool use of space and great booking.
> don't be so cranky. just be glad that you can skip between two
> clubs that support the avant-garde.
i've only been to the cooler a couple of times (i live 14 hours away by
car...) They seem to really like extremely noisey acts...has anyone ever
seen something non-abrasive there?
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:10:03 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn in EW
> May 15. The Kids Are Albright. "Shut the f--- up," jazz performer John
> Zorn yells at Manhattan's Knitting Factory, not realizing noisy
> nightclubbers are Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, rocker Lou
> Reed, and Czech president Vaclav Havel.
>
> We knew this event couldn't possibly go unnoticed. Anyone care to
> speculate whether or not Zorn would've taken this approach even if he
> knew that Albright and crew were on board? EW implies not. I, on the
> other hand, am not so sure.
They way i heard it, he knew exactly who was in the audience.
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:20:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> i've only been to the cooler a couple of times (i live 14 hours away by
> car...) They seem to really like extremely noisey acts...has anyone ever
> seen something non-abrasive there?
yeah, mad professor.
b
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:24:01 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
At 04:20 PM 12/30/97 -0500, Brent Burton wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
>> i've only been to the cooler a couple of times (i live 14 hours away by
>> car...) They seem to really like extremely noisey acts...has anyone ever
>> seen something non-abrasive there?
>
>yeah, mad professor.
Also Last Poets.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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