home
***
CD-ROM
|
disk
|
FTP
|
other
***
search
/
ftp.xmission.com
/
2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar
/
ftp.xmission.com
/
pub
/
lists
/
zorn-list
/
archive
/
v02.n199
< prev
next >
Wrap
Internet Message Format
|
1997-12-30
|
22KB
From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #199
Reply-To: zorn-list
Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Precedence: bulk
Zorn List Digest Wednesday, December 31 1997 Volume 02 : Number 199
In this issue:
-
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #198
New Buckethead (& Zorn)
Dreyblatt
Re: Zorn in EW
Zorn/Ribot/Sharp@theCooler
Re: Zorn in EW
avant-garde complaints
Re: Zorn in EW
Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
Re : Zorn in EW
Looking for info on 2 albums
Re: Dreyblatt
Re: Looking for info on 2 albums
Re: Looking for info on 2 albums
Tom Waits
Re: Looking for info on 2 albums
Re: Tom Waits
don king
Re: don king
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:40:13 -0600
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #198
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:59:18 -0800
>From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: Fahay and Black
>
>Unfortunately, I don't think the Takomas are easy to find on CD if they
>have ever been released.
Within the last year or so, Fantasy records reissued a few Takoma albums on
CD. I've seen Fahey's "Voice of the Turtle" and Leo Kottke's "Six and
Twelve String Guitar," and from the CDNow website, it looks like a couple
of other Faheys and some other albums by other Takoma artists are
available...
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:24:01 -0800
>From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
>
>At 04:20 PM 12/30/97 -0500, Brent Burton wrote:
>>On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>>
>>> i've only been to the cooler a couple of times (i live 14 hours away by
>>> car...) They seem to really like extremely noisey acts...has anyone ever
>>> seen something non-abrasive there?
>>
>>yeah, mad professor.
>
>Also Last Poets.
I think the Last Poets would be sad if you accused them of being
"non-abrasive" -- seems to me that's the point... ;-)
Happy new year,
Joe
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"The most familiar of objects, numbers are nonetheless surprisingly
slippery, their sheer slipperiness evidence that certain intellectual
tools may be successfully used before they are successfully understood"
-- David Berlinski
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:11:13 -0700
From: Phil <phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: New Buckethead (& Zorn)
There's an advert in The Wire magazine for the new Buckethead CD - it's
called "Pieces" & features Buckethead & Brain. It's described as " a weird
kind of guitar/technoid mutation" & is apparently on a drum'n'bass tip -
yippee! It should be out on Avant by now.
There's also an ad for a mouth-watering new CD by the Music Revelation
Ensemble - ie James "Blood" Ulmer's trio with Pharoah Sanders & John Zorn
called "Cross Fire" out on DIW - some things to chase away that New Year's
hangover!
Happy New Year, y'all!
Phil
phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk
> On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:10:30 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel"
> <proussel@ichips.intel.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Talking about Buckethead, it seems that his record on Avant is out.
> >
> > Patrice.
> >
> BucketHeadLand? OR something new and wonderful?
No, another new record with a strange title.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:10:09 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Dreyblatt
I just bought Arnold Dreyblatt's 'Animal Magnetism' on Tzadik and REALLY
enjoy it! At the Tzadik website, it is mentioned that Dreyblatt has
released other albums on India Navigation and Hat Art. Does anybody have
any information on these???
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:31:55 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zorn in EW
> Is Zorn actually becoming <gasp> popular?! :^) He got two mentions in
the
> year-end double edition of Entertainment Weekly (#411/412; Dec. 26, 1997/
> Jan. 2, 1998):
Speaking of popularity, I read in the Australian Birdland catalogue that
"Bar Kokhba" has been voted as one of the best albums of 1997 by ABC. They
also said that they think it is one of the best things in the store. This
is pretty good praise, considering their large collection of all types of
jazz/classical/avant garde music.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:32:17 EST
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp@theCooler
Ive seen Zorn and Ribot in improv. situations many times over the past
few years, and i feel that the set they did at the Cooler last week was
pretty boring......it was a short set that, to me, didnt really go
anywhere......Ribot and Sharp had some nice, interesting sounds coming
out of their guitars at times....but, the trains in the subways do
too......
did any of them come back out to play with any of the other performers??
i split after their set, i was pretty ill that night and the smoke was
really gettin to me......
Geoff
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:55:52 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn in EW
- ----------
> From: Julian <
>
> > Is Zorn actually becoming <gasp> popular?! :^) He got two mentions in
> the
> > year-end double edition of Entertainment Weekly (#411/412; Dec. 26,
1997/
> > Jan. 2, 1998):
>
> Speaking of popularity, I read in the Australian Birdland catalogue that
> "Bar Kokhba" has been voted as one of the best albums of 1997 by ABC.
They
> also said that they think it is one of the best things in the store. This
> is pretty good praise, considering their large collection of all types of
> jazz/classical/avant garde music.
>
>
> -Bar Kokhba made many "best of lists" throughout the world, but wasn't it
released in mid-96 ?
glenn
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:27:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: avant-garde complaints
> I wish we had such things to be pissed about in Lo-Cal So.California.
Ditto for DC.
mat
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | |
| | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | |
| | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:50:35 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn in EW
ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> > May 15. The Kids Are Albright. "Shut the f--- up," jazz performer John
> > Zorn yells at Manhattan's Knitting Factory, not realizing noisy
> > nightclubbers are Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, rocker Lou
> > Reed, and Czech president Vaclav Havel.
> >
> > We knew this event couldn't possibly go unnoticed. Anyone care to
> > speculate whether or not Zorn would've taken this approach even if he
> > knew that Albright and crew were on board? EW implies not. I, on the
> > other hand, am not so sure.
>
> They way i heard it, he knew exactly who was in the audience.
He most certainly did. Interesting the reactions the event engendered here in
New York. For fans it just adds to Zorn's endearing bad boy mythos. I think
Zorn was reacting to what they were doing in a very honest manner, and rightly
so, as the identities of the noisemakers doesn't excuse the fact that they are
making noise, whereas many others (and I include myself in this number) would
simply have stewed silently while saying nothing in light of the celebrity (not
to mention the NATURE of the celebrity) of the people in question (well, at
least half of them). It's one thing for Zorn to make a wiseass crack at a
fellow musician, or to tell some kid from (fill-in-the-blank) to shut the fuck
up. But heads of state who come equipped with suitably imposing armed guards?
However, one major label head with whom I was speaking shortly after the event
felt the remark was so disrespectful that had Zorn been signed to his label, he
would have been dropped immediately. This is probably a good indication as to
why Zorn chooses not to pursue the major label path since leaving Nonesuch.
As the PR flack who arranged most of the media coverage of that notorious event
(covered not only by Rolling Stone and Jazziz but also by tawdry gossip columns
from London to Anchorage), it warms my heart to see it remembered in EW at
year's end. But it comes as little surprise, given that at least three of their
major music reviewers are huge Knit fans and one of their staffers used to work
at the Knit before my time. What would really be surprising is if they gave any
serious recognition to the kind of art that is produced at the club, as opposed
to namedropping a silly, gossippy event (or for that matter the Bacharach
tribute) to bestow an implied hipness to the magazine.
A magazine that I read semi-regularly for my Gillian Anderson fix nonetheless...
;-)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:59:31 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Ribot/Sharp
ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> i've only been to the cooler a couple of times (i live 14 hours away by
> car...) They seem to really like extremely noisey acts...has anyone ever
> seen something non-abrasive there?
The world premiere of John Zorn's "Pueblo" was held there.
I've never been more frustrated at a show. "Pueblo" was billed as an ambient
piece, which I have no problem with. It's very quiet and sedate.
Unfortunately it was attended by the biggest crowd I've ever seen at the
Cooler (perhaps rivalled by the recent Cecil and Thurston gigs) and I got
there a bit late so I couldn't get into the main room. I was stuck in the
bar to the left side of the main room (as you face the stage), and out there
the scenesters were so little into what was on stage and so much into their
conversations that all I could hear for the duration of the piece, even
though I could see a fair amount of activity on the stage, was a muffled
"dummmm, dum-dummmm, dummmm, dum-dummmm,dummmm, dum-dummmm..." I wanted to
scream. And didn't go back to the Cooler for a really long time. But a
recent free Monday night bill included Chris Speed's quartet, Skuli
Sverrisson solo bass stuff, Christina Wheeler and DJ Olive, so I went and
enjoyed. And then there was that Cecil and Thurston thing, easily one of the
best things I saw all year...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
>
>
> -jascha
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:40:18 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re : Zorn in EW
Someone I used to work with told me that the New York Post had a blurb
about the incident at the KF, implying that Zorn knew exactly who he was
talking to. Of course, it would be typical of the Post to say he did,
even if it was untrue.
SW
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:43:16 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Looking for info on 2 albums
I came across articles mentioning two albums that Laswell was supposedly
involved in, but I haven't come across them at any of my usual sources.
Can anybody clue me in?
King Cobb Steelie - Project Twinkle
Jill Kroesan - Stop Vicious Cycles
Thanks,
SW
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:42:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Dreyblatt
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:
> I just bought Arnold Dreyblatt's 'Animal Magnetism' on Tzadik and REALLY
> enjoy it! At the Tzadik website, it is mentioned that Dreyblatt has
> released other albums on India Navigation and Hat Art. Does anybody have
> any information on these???
"animal magnetism" is a fantastic album - maybe my favorite tzadik
release yet.
evidently jim o'rourke and david grubbs are reissuing the indian
navigation album ("nodal excitations" i think) on their dexter's cigar
label. of course it was supposed to come out this summer around the same
time that the folke rabe cd came out, yet hasn't appeared.
the album on hat art is still in print. from what other people have
told me, "animal magnetism" is the least traditionally minimalist album
of the three albums dreyblatt's released. the drums are evidently a
new feature.
hope that helps.
b
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:35:38 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for info on 2 albums
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:43:16 PST "Silent Watcher" wrote:
>
> I came across articles mentioning two albums that Laswell was supposedly
> involved in, but I haven't come across them at any of my usual sources.
> Can anybody clue me in?
>
> King Cobb Steelie - Project Twinkle
> Jill Kroesan - Stop Vicious Cycles
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - STOP VICIOUS CYCLES: Jill Kroesen
1/ Wayne Hayes Blues (Kroesen) 2:54
2/ I Am Not Seeing That You Are Here (Kroesen) 3:00
3/ Ride Your Pony (Naomi Neville) 3:15
4/ Honey, You're So Mean (Kroesen) 3:50
5/ I'm Sorry I'm Such A Weenie (Kroesen) 2:45
6/ I Am Not Seeing That You Are Here (Kroesen) 2:02
7/ Alexander The Great (Kroesen) 2:37
8/ Fay Shism Blues (Kroesen) 9:20
9/ I'm Just A Human Being (Kroesen) 6:23
Recorded December 1979-February 1982
Produced by Peter Gordon and Jill Kroesen
Jill Kroesen: vocal, Hammond organ, congas, percussion, piano, clavinet;
Rebecca Armstrong (1): vocal; Peter Gordon (1,2,3,5,8): vocal, saxophone,
Prophet 5, organ, clavinet; Bill Laswell (1,2,3,5,8): bass, saxophone;
George Lewis (1,2,5): trombone; Tony Machine (1,2,5,8): Tama drums; David
Van Tieghem (1,5): percussion; Don Christensen (3): drums; Jody Harris (3):
guitar; Larry Saltzman (3): guitar; Fred Maher (8): guitar; Arthur Russell
(8): cello; Fred Smith (8): bass; "Blue" Gene Tyranny (8): piano.
1982 - Lovely Music (USA), VR 1501 (LP)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:47:29 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Looking for info on 2 albums
At 10:43 PM 12/30/97 PST, Silent Watcher wrote:
>I came across articles mentioning two albums that Laswell was supposedly
>involved in, but I haven't come across them at any of my usual sources.
>Can anybody clue me in?
>
>King Cobb Steelie - Project Twinkle
Canadian ska-rock band that Bill produced. I'm not sure what his
connection with them was, they have used another producer since this. It's
not very interesting - I don't think I ever got through the whole thing.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:55:06 -0700
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: Tom Waits
Suggestions for select material by Tom Waits would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Happy New Year!
J.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:44:02 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for info on 2 albums
>>King Cobb Steelie - Project Twinkle
>
>Canadian ska-rock band that Bill produced. I'm not sure what his
>connection with them was, they have used another producer since this.
It's
>not very interesting - I don't think I ever got through the whole
thing.
Thanks for the info (you too, Patrice). The article I saw was an
interview with the band about the album after this one. It didn't
mention how they hooked up with Laswell. They didn't slam him
completely, but they didn't care for his "too hands on" approach. I
assume this was one of those projects that "needed some direction", as
Laswell put it in an interview somewhere"
SW
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:54:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Joshua A Miller <umillj08@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: Tom Waits
two words- rain dogs! (or is it one word? I'll have to check on that)
also, the film "big time" is great, as is the accompanying cd.
josh
On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Jason Tors wrote:
> Suggestions for select material by Tom Waits would be much appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Happy New Year!
> J.
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:57:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Joshua A Miller <umillj08@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Subject: don king
i just saw a blurb about a reissue of stuff by a band called don king,
which i think was a no wave era band with lucy hamilton and arto
lindsay's brother (and also arto). it was compared favorably to test
dept. anybody ever heard them? also, i forgot what label it was on, so if
anyone has any info, it would be appreciated. thanks
josh
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:49:28 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: don king
On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:57:31 -0800 (PST) Joshua A Miller wrote:
>
> i just saw a blurb about a reissue of stuff by a band called don king,
> which i think was a no wave era band with lucy hamilton and arto
> lindsay's brother (and also arto). it was compared favorably to test
> dept. anybody ever heard them? also, i forgot what label it was on, so if
> anyone has any info, it would be appreciated. thanks
Don't know Test Department, hence won't attempt any comparison. I would not
say that it is the record of the century, but definitely an interesting
"document" about the NY scene.
Patrice.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
028 - ONE-TWO PUNCH: Don King
1/ Revelry (Don King)
2/ Tanajura (Don King, D. Lindsay)
3/ The Don Goes On (Don King)
4/ Never Decide (Don King, A. Lindsay)
5/ Marco Polo (Don King)
Recorded at B.C. Studios by Martin Bisi
Mark Cunningham: trumpets, bass guitar, background vocal; Lucy Hamilton:
bass clarinet, guitar, vocal; Duncan Lindsay: trap drums, DX, synare, tym-
pani, ganza, vocal; Arto Lindsay: snare, tom, DX, surdo; Toni Nogueira:
surdo, dumbek, synare, tympani, agogo, hi-hat, snare.
1985 - Double Vision, DVR 14 (12")
1997 - Atavistic (USA), ALP49CD (CD)
Note: the CD reissue (called ONE-TWO PUNCH (KNOCKOUT)) has extra tracks; it
has the following content:
1/ Revelry (Remix) (Don King)
2/ Tanajura (Don King)
3/ The Don Does On (Don King)
4/ Never Decide (Don King)
5/ Marco Polo (Don King)
6/ Flesh (Don King)
7/ Street Of Dreams (Don King, S. Lewis)
8/ Change Partners (Don King, I. Berlin)
9/ Hatred And Kisses (Don King)
10/ Summertime (Gershwin)
(1) recorded at Hi-5 Studios
(2-5) recorded at B.C. Studios
(6) recorded at Fun City, in October 1985
(7-10) recorded in Spring 1987
Mark Cunningham: trumpets, bass guitar, background vocal, delay samples;
Lucy Hamilton: bass clarinet, guitar, vocal; Duncan Lindsay (1-6): trap
drums, DX, snare, tympani, ganza, vocal; Toni Nogueira (1-6): surdo, dumbek,
synare, tympani, agogo, hi-hat, snare; Arto Lindsay (1-5): snare, tom, DX,
surdo; Tony Maimone (7-10): bass; Bill Perry (7-10): drums.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
End of Zorn List Digest V2 #199
*******************************
To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to
"majordomo@xmission.com"
with
"unsubscribe zorn-list-digest"
in the body of the message.
For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
"help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest"
in the commands above with "zorn-list".
Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in
pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.