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zorn-list Digest       Sunday, October 26 1997       Volume 02 : Number 138



In this issue:

    Zorn at the Knit 10/22 - new lineup
    Haino/Z'ev
    Re: the music of Larry Young
    Books on Downtown Jazz scene
    new releases
    Re: Z'ev
    Chadbourne
    Re: Ground Zero\Plays Standards
    new releases/lost email
    ReR records
    filmworks II
    Re: ReR records
    Re: filmworks II
    Re: filmworks II
    Re: filmworks II
    Re: Elysian Fields
    Re: Chadbourne
    Re: Chadbourne
    Re: Bailey at KF
    Sugarbullet?
    Fujieda, Ostertag
    Keiji Haino
    RE: Fujieda, Ostertag

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:08:07 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn at the Knit 10/22 - new lineup

Yes, it's still Zorn, Medeski, and Ribot.  But Bobby Previte is now the
drummer tomorrow night.  And it's most likely not going to be an
all-Larry Young program anymore, but Bobby refused to say what it would
be instead.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:23:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Haino/Z'ev

I understand Keiji Haino & Z'ev just did a series of duet shows together in
Japan which all were recorded & possibly might see the light of day at some
point! Let's hope!! A devastating duo to be sure!

I've heard little about the Z'ev/Avant release mentioned here. Any comments?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:48:54 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the music of Larry Young

Does anybody out there have any of the Larry Young/Grant Green/Elvin
Jones albums?  (I Want To Hold Your Hand is about to be
reissued)  I'm sure I can provide an interesting "trade" of
cassettes if anybody gets in touch ...

Dr. Sean Wilkie

"Music is the pleasure the mind takes from numbers when it knows not
that it is counting" (approx.) - Leibniz

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:31:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Books on Downtown Jazz scene

For one of my school courses we have to analyze a 10 year period in history
with a certain topic so I thought I would do the knitting factory and the
downtown music scene. The problem though is I  need 10 sources. Anyone know
any books or articles relevant to either the knit or Zorn, frisell etc.
Thanks
Matt

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:54:53 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: new releases

There is a new Buckethead/Brain duo album on Avant (they call themselves
"Pieces"), plus an album by the Music Revelation Ensemble called "Cross
Fire" (w/Blood Ulmer, Brad Jones, Cornell Rochester, Pharoah Sanders,
and John Zorn) on DIW. I don't know if these are released yet or when
they will be released but I thought you might be interested.

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:54:25 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Z'ev

>>>>> "WINRECORDS" == WINRECORDS  <[e-mail]> writes:

    WINRECORDS> I've heard little about the Z'ev/Avant release
    WINRECORDS> mentioned here. Any comments?

Please bear in mind that I haven't heard any other Z'ev release
besides this one, and this description is from memory.  There are
alternating sections of drums/percussion and sampled voices.  There
are no silences between the tracks, so the whole album flows together
without a break.

The percussive parts are all measured in BPM, most of them fairly
quick.  I typically associate BPM with dance music, but I wouldn't
call any of this danceable by any stretch.  It is driving and fairly
intense for drum music.  I think I also remember that there are some
subtle electronic treatments, but not enough to disguise what's going
on, nor enough to move it to Muslimgauze territory (and there's much
less ethnic percussion than the Muslimgauze that I've heard).

The vocal parts are relatively short and provide some much needed
breathing space from the drum solos.

Every time I play this album it sounds incomplete, like it should be
included in some greater mix.  All of the individual tracks seem
static, not really going anywhere.  Maybe I just haven't listened
closely enough.

- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:27:18 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Chadbourne

Last night Eugene Chadbourne said he may be bringing Leo Smith with him to
his performance tonight in Ventura.

Sz

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:25:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: Re: Ground Zero\Plays Standards

>> onto Ground Zero.  _plays standards_ is a pretty great album. Deffinately
>
>Where did you pick this up at? I have been trying to get one for quite a
>while. You might consider posting to the zorn-list as I'm sure others
>would be interested as well.

I got it at the Downtown Music Gallery
[e-mail]

happy hunting.
matt


- ------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Reif <[e-mail]>
Subject: new releases/lost email

=46irst the new releases:

Brad Shepik and the Commuters, The Loan (SGL 1518-2)
Released Oct. 1
Debut of BABKAS and Pachora co-leader (and member of Dave Douglas's Tiny
Bell Trio and the Paradox Trio) features his compositions arranged for a
Balkan/Turkish/Persian (and occasionally Afro/Celtic) flavored quintet.
Supercharged world jazz. Shepik, guitars, electric saz, banjo, cumbus, with
Peter Epstein (alto and soprano sax), Tony Scherr (electric bass), Kenny
Wollesen (drums) and Seido Salifoski (dumbek).

"Virtuoso rootless-cosmopolitan groovesmanship at its finest..."
Richard Gehr, Village Voice

=46ran=E7ois Houle and Beno=EEt Delbecq, Nancali (SGL 1519-2)
Release date Nov. 1
=46rench pianist/prepared pianist Delbecq (Paintings, Kartet, The Recyclers)
meets Canadian clarinettist Houle (whose septet Et Cetera was the first
Songlines release back in '92). Their program of improvisations and
compositions draws on contemporary classical (Ligeti, Nancarrow),
jazz/improv, and non-western (Aka pygmy) traditions. Probing and highly
empathetic.

"First-rate performance of rigorously melodic jazz improvisation by an
under-recognized clarinetist."
            Ben Ratliff, New York Times

"One of the most fascinating pianists of the new generation."
Michel Contat, T=E9l=E9rama

=46or ordering informaton or a catalogue:
Tony Reif, Songlines Recordings
1003 - 2323 W. 2nd Ave.
Vancouver V6K 1J4, Canada
[phone] * fax [phone]
e-mail [e-mail]

Distributors: Allegro (US and Canada, also mail order: 1 800 288 2007), 99
Records (Germany), I.R.D. (Italy), Plainisphare (Switzerland), Challenge
(Benelux), Distribution DAM (France), Anabasis (Australia)

And now a request:

In late September I lost all my email files back to the end of January in a
computer crash. There are many people who I was in correspondence with
during that time who I have no other record of and of course no email
address for now. So please get in touch again if you haven't heard from me,
and if possible please send me any still relevant/useful correspondence we
had during that period.

I'd also be really grateful, if you've kept any of my posts to the list
that still seem interesting enough to bother about, if you could send them
back to me as well.

Many thanks.
Tony

Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings)

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:28:25 UT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ReR records

Anyone know where I can buy ReR records on the net?  Or where the Wayside
catalog and Dr. Nerve's site went?  I appreciate the help.

Thanks,
Peter

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:33:13 -0600
From: louie <[e-mail]>
Subject: filmworks II

i happened to catch a movie on the tube the other nite called
"trespass". during one of the first scenes i thought i recognized some
music. right after that i noticed the director was Walter Hill.
then it hit me, "filmworks II, music for an untitled film by Walter
Hill". sure enough, all the names of the tunes on the disk related to
the movie exactly. but no other music from the disk was used other than
that part at the beginning.
(of all people to do the film's music - ry cooder).
zorn did get a thank you at the absolute end of the film (i think it was
the fourth or fifth from the last name). it would be interesting to know
why they chose not to use zorn's music.
oh well, just thought i'd pass that along. any other movies at the
"local video store" anyone could recommend that has a zorn score?

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:00:35 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: ReR records

>>>>> "peter" == peter risser <[e-mail]> writes:

    peter> Anyone know where I can buy ReR records on the net?  Or
    peter> where the Wayside catalog and Dr. Nerve's site went?  I
    peter> appreciate the help.

Wayside's still at http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:11:00 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: filmworks II

At 10:33 PM 10/23/97 -0600, louie wrote:
>i happened to catch a movie on the tube the other nite called
>"trespass". during one of the first scenes i thought i recognized some
>music. right after that i noticed the director was Walter Hill.
>then it hit me, "filmworks II, music for an untitled film by Walter
>Hill". sure enough, all the names of the tunes on the disk related to
>the movie exactly. but no other music from the disk was used other than
>that part at the beginning.
>(of all people to do the film's music - ry cooder). ...

Well we had a big discussion of this last year.

However...the last comment is irritating.  What is the dig at Cooder
supposed to mean?  And it is quite expected, since Walter Hill has used Ry
Cooder for scores to almost all of his movies (The Long Riders, Trespass,
Johny Handsome,  Blue City, Crossroads, Geronimo,...) and I thought the
score to this one  quite good, especially with the combination of Cooder's
use of a floor slide and Jon Hassel's trippy horn.

It isn't necessary to knock something in order to like something else.  Buy
the score (although it has been unavailable for a while) and listen to it
as something independent.  You might find it good enough to like.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Turner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: filmworks II

Jeff Spirer on Ry Cooder's "Trespass" score:

> It isn't necessary to knock something in order to like something else.  Buy
> the score (although it has been unavailable for a while) and listen to it
> as something independent.  You might find it good enough to like.

EAR/Rational Music has a copy of this CD on their sale page:
http://www.xmission.com/~ear/.

- --
 Mark Turner
 [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:38:23 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: filmworks II

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:33:13 -0600  louie wrote:
>
> i happened to catch a movie on the tube the other nite called
> "trespass". during one of the first scenes i thought i recognized some
> music. right after that i noticed the director was Walter Hill.

Talking about Hill, and for the New Yorkers:

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Millennium Film Workshop presents:

        HENRY HILLS in person with

        the New York premiere of

        MECHANICS OF THE BRAIN

        a film by Henry Hills & Sally Silvers

        plus HERETIC, MONEY, & LITTLE LIEUTENANT

ANTHOLOGY FILM ARCHIVES
East 2nd Street and 2nd Avenue

Saturday, October 25, 8:00pm

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:29:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Moran <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Elysian Fields

I can tell you that together, Oren and Jennifer have a band called
Elysian Fields, with two or three albums out.  The band includes Ben
Perowsky (sp?) on drums, James Genus on bass, and Uri Caine on keyboard.

- -matt

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Scott Chamberlin wrote:
>
> > Does amyone know about who the "Elysian
> > Fields" is that the Serge Gainsbourg disc is featuring, or do you know
> > anything about the individual works of Jennifer Charles?
>
> Charles is new to me as well, but Oren Bloedow (credited with
> guitar/bass/drums) released a fine solo album of slightly twisted pop on
> Knitting Factory Works about five years ago.  I seem to recall that he
> was briefly associated with the Lounge Lizards as well, but I'm less sure
> about that.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:22:14 -0300
From: "Carlos Murat" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Chadbourne

Can anybody tell me the adress of Chadbourne┤s site
Thanks

- ----------
> From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Chadbourne
> Date: miΘrcoles 22 de octubre de 1997 11:27
>
> Last night Eugene Chadbourne said he may be bringing Leo Smith with him
to
> his performance tonight in Ventura.
>
> Sz
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:45:48 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Chadbourne

Did you say some Eugene Chadbourne sites?

http://wymple.gs.net/~aaswell/eugene.html
http://www.duke.edu/~pbr/chadbourne/chadsolo1.html
http://www.shmooze.net/exclaim/9612/nf/reviews/cbk/cbk01.htm
http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1298229893/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.
html/ArtistID=FRN-Chadbourne*Eugene/ddcn=SD-78876+4+2

Sz

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:08:02 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bailey at KF

Brian Olewnick wrote:

> Does anyone have a complete list of the people to be performing with
> DB
> next week? I take it JZ and Mori are doing at least the first evening
> and Ruins is with him on Wednesday. How about Thursday?

Actually, this is how the latest ad reads:

Monday:  8 pm - Bailey solo; 9 pm - Bailey with Zorn and (Mark) Kramer;
10 pm - Bailey with Zorn and Ikue Mori
Tuesday:  Improv Evening with John Zorn (no specific players listed)
Wednseday:  Ruins, Akaten, Zubizuva-X (no mention of Bailey whatsoever)
Thursday:  8 pm - Bailey and Min-Xiao Fen; 9 pm - Tsuyama Atsushi solo;
10 pm - Derek and the Ruins

The obvious highlights for me are the solo set, the rather unpredictable
meeting with Kramer, the Improv Evening (I'd bet money that the fabulous
Jim Staley will be in the house, and Shelley Hirsch wouldn't half
surprise me either - but I still wish some non-Zorn circle members like
Ted Reichman, Matt Moran and John Hollenback would be invited), Bailey
and Min-Xiao Fen (amazing pipa player - they recorded last winter and
witnesses say its just amazing), and of course Derek and the Ruins.

I get the feeling my wife won't be seeing much of me next week...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:24:47 -0700
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sugarbullet?

Several years ago, JZ was hosting a broadcast on WKCR, playing his usual
variety of unusual, impossible-to-find music. One cut was a very
impressive piece by a, I think, British band named (again, as best as I
can recall) Sugarbullet. It was a very loud and fast noisecore piece
overlaid with a hardcore rap vocal line, as I remember. I've seen
occasional vague references to this group here and there, but have never
seen a recording or heard them since.

Anyone know?

Brian O.

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:15:32 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fujieda, Ostertag

I got two CD's the other day. One was Mamoru Fujieda's 'Patterns of
Plants' on Tzadik and the other was Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' on
Ratascan.

'Patterns of Plants' is mostly played by an instrument called the koto
which is a japanese string instrument. It's very hypnotic sort of
new-agey even. I was actually dissapointed by this CD a little bit. It
was a little sparse and repetitive for my tastes. It's pretty good but
didn't do a whole lot for me. This is my first Fujieda disc. How does it
compare to his other Tzadik disc?

Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' is really cool. This is the third part of his
'Say No More' series. Ostertag recorded Mark Dresser, Gerry Hemmingway
and Phil Minton doing solo improvisations without interaction with each
other. He then using computer manipulations, etc created a collage and
released it as 'Say No More'. Then he wrote out the score to this and
had the four of them play it live which he recorded and released as 'Say
No More In Person'. With the results of that, Ostertag went even further
with his computer manipulations and made yet another collage which he
released as 'Verbatim', the one I have. Really creppy vocals by Phil
Minton!! Anybody have any recommendations of his. I'm looking for either
a solo or duo Minton album. Right now, I think I'll get 'Dada Da', the
duo with percussionist Roger Turner.

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:34:48 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Keiji Haino

At the CD store I found two Haino discs.

Lost Aaraaff - Lost Aaraaff
Haino Keiji - Tenshi No Gijinka

I'm very interested in hearing his stuff so could someone tell me a bit
about each so that I can decide which to get!!! Thanks.

Listening to: Esquivel!!!!!

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 97 10:24:12 UT
From: "allen huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Fujieda, Ostertag

"Voice of America" (on Rec Rec), a live recording of Frith, Minton, Ostertag,
is of interest

on the Victo label: "Mouthful of Ecstasy" by Phil Minton Quartet
(Minton-voice, John Butcher-sax, Veryan Weston-piano, and Roger Turner-drums)
is a good starting point

and on Rift Records is "A Doughnut In Both Hands" (solo voice)
(available from Wayside on lp for a mere $7.50)

although not improvised music, Minton's vocal contributions to Lindsay Cooper
"Oh Moscow" (also on Victo and including Hugh Hopper and Alfred 23 Harth) are
remarkable (this recording also reminds the listener that he's an accomplished
trumpeter)

Minton has also recorded a disc of Hendrix covers accompanied by a number of
other British jazz musicians
the title escapes me at the moment (I've only heard a few samples on tape) but
I know at least one fellow zornlister can help out here (hey Glenn !)
anyway, quite fun to hear Minton gargle, guffaw, and groan his way through
"Foxy Lady" and "Purple Haze"



- ----------
From:     [e-mail] on behalf of Tom Pratt
Sent:     Saturday, October 25, 1997 11:15 PM
To:     [e-mail]
Subject:     Fujieda, Ostertag

I got two CD's the other day. One was Mamoru Fujieda's 'Patterns of
Plants' on Tzadik and the other was Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' on
Ratascan.

'Patterns of Plants' is mostly played by an instrument called the koto
which is a japanese string instrument. It's very hypnotic sort of
new-agey even. I was actually dissapointed by this CD a little bit. It
was a little sparse and repetitive for my tastes. It's pretty good but
didn't do a whole lot for me. This is my first Fujieda disc. How does it
compare to his other Tzadik disc?

Bob Ostertag's 'Verbatim' is really cool. This is the third part of his
'Say No More' series. Ostertag recorded Mark Dresser, Gerry Hemmingway
and Phil Minton doing solo improvisations without interaction with each
other. He then using computer manipulations, etc created a collage and
released it as 'Say No More'. Then he wrote out the score to this and
had the four of them play it live which he recorded and released as 'Say
No More In Person'. With the results of that, Ostertag went even further
with his computer manipulations and made yet another collage which he
released as 'Verbatim', the one I have. Really creppy vocals by Phil
Minton!! Anybody have any recommendations of his. I'm looking for either
a solo or duo Minton album. Right now, I think I'll get 'Dada Da', the
duo with percussionist Roger Turner.

            -Tom Pratt

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