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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #137
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Precedence:
zorn-list Digest Tuesday, October 21 1997 Volume 02 : Number 137
In this issue:
Re: Wasserman, Wallerman?
RE: goin' to japan
????
AMM LPs
Lois V Vierk
Re: goin' to japan
Re: goin' to japan
Re: the grassroots
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #135
Re: Lois V Vierk
Broadcast of free-improv thing
Bible Launcher?
Re: Bible Launcher?
Bible Launcher
K.Haino
Re: K.Haino
Tzadik Upcoming Releases (re:Tzadik releases)
trade?
Re: K.Haino
Haino
Re: K.Haino
Re: K.Haino/ground zero
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:30:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Wasserman, Wallerman?
James T Graves had this to say...
>I stumbled upon one of JZ's upcoming gigs at the Knitting Factory home
>page a few days ago. I'm sure you're all familiar with it, Zorn will be
>playing next Wednesday with John Medeski, Marc Ribot, and some guy named
>Wasserman.
>
>So, I have three questions. First, who is this guy, is he just another
>downtown drummer whose played with everyone, or should I be stumbling all
>over myself to see him. Second, does anyone know what the group will be
>playing? I assume they'll be playing Zorn stuff (which only narrows it
>down to a few dozen genres...) Perhaps Bar Kokhaba stuff? Unfortunately I
>have not gotten around to purchasing that album yet, but I know Medeski
>and Ribot are on it, does Wasserman (Wallerman?) play on it too?
The mystery man in question is Kenny Wollesen, a downtown drummer who has
indeed played with just about everyone. They're going to be playing the
music of organ great Larry Young. Should be fun. Go check it out.
- -Tom
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 08:40:41 UT
From: "allen huotari" <zmasada@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: goin' to japan
I'd highly recommend Disk Union (multiple locations)
one is at 3-31-4 Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo 160
another is at 2-13-1 Iidabashi Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 102
another good shop is World Disque at 404 SY Bldg 3-15-18 Shimo-Ochiai,
Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 161
there is also a small shop in Shinjuku called Like A Edison which specializes
in music of the more extreme variety (unfortunately I've misplaced the
address)
if my memory serves, there is also another good shop called Xephyr Collectors
Ltd. (also in Shinjuku)
and while I 've never been to these shops, my friends/contacts in Japan have
also recommended the following shops: Opus Avantra (Tokyo 104)
Parallax Records (Tokyo 600)
Locus Solus aka ReR Japan (Tokyo 180)
(no other address info given to me...sorry...)
but there are dozens of obscure little shops all within easy walking distance
of each other in Shinjuku
one could easily spend all day and most of an evening wandering through these
and if all else fails, Virgin Records and Tower Records in Tokyo are
surprisingly good
- ----------
From: owner-zorn-list@xmission.com on behalf of louie
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 2:18 PM
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: goin' to japan
a friend of mine is going to japan next week. do any of you
zornothologists know a cd store where he might find painkiller or other
zorn stuff? he'll be spending most of his time in tokyo i think.
- -louie
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:42:34 -0400
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: ????
I thought that Kenny Wolleson is on that gig Wed. Oct. 22??
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:48:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: AMM LPs
FYI- Somebody is selling some early AMM LPs on the rec.music.ambient group-
at premium prices.
>>Combine & Laminates Pogus Productions P201-4 Mint $25
>>The Inexhaustible Document w/booklet Matchless MR13 Mint $35
>>Generative Themes Matchless MR6 Mint $40
Reply to oldschrec@aol.com (OLDSCHREC) for info.
=dgasque=
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:06:09 +0900
From: katsuhiro hayasaka <c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp>
Subject: Lois V Vierk
I found this passage in "http://www.webcom.com/jimp/vierk.html"
#Spring 1998 - TZADIK to release Vierk CD
#
#CD with "River Beneath the River" and "Into the Brightening Air" for string quartet, "Red
#Shift" for cello, electric guitar, percussion, synthesizer, "Jagged Mesa" for 2 brass choirs.
#Features SIRIUS STRING QUARTET; also Ted Mook, cello; David Seidel, elec. guitar; Gary
#Trosclair, trumpet; Bruce Eidem, trombone; Christopher Banks, bass trombone.
and
#1998 -- Book "Arcana: Musicians on Music" edited by John Zorn
#
#Includes Vierk's article "Studying Gagaku" about her 12-year study of Japanese Court Music,
#in Los Angeles and Tokyo. To be published by Sun and Moon Press in 1998. Info via fax:
#510-704-8350.
Does anyone know who is she ?
- -------------------------
Katsuhiro Hayasaka
c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp
- -------------------------
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:39:08 +0000
From: "K.O" <kojb@crisscross.com>
Subject: Re: goin' to japan
Try "Disk Union" at Shinjuku.
Kotaro Otake
Yokohama, Japan
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: goin' to japan
there's a store called "The Wave" (i think) in one of the more southerly
downtowns in tokyo (there are about 7 downtowns in tokyo....).
i also found disk union there...address inside many of jz's cds.
On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, louie wrote:
> a friend of mine is going to japan next week. do any of you
> zornothologists know a cd store where he might find painkiller or other
> zorn stuff? he'll be spending most of his time in tokyo i think.
> -louie
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:21:06 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: the grassroots
Brent Burton wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> > the idea being that if you want something to come to you, make it
> > happen yourself, which is what the friend I mentioned earlier is now
>
> > doing in Washington, DC with great results.
>
> if yr talking about transparent productions then i just gotta say that
>
> they're doing an amazing job of bringing jazz to dee cee.
That's exactly who I'm talking about. That group was started by my
friend from Houston and a bunch of like-minded folks he met in DC. And
there appear to be groups like that popping up all over the place now.
Vive la difference.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:32:32 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #135
WINRECORDS@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone have info. on Ribot's new project "Los Cubanos?" Line-up?
> Recording plans? Is it true they are on Atlantic?
It is true they are on Atlantic. As are Moondog, Olu Dara, the Art
Ensemble of Chicago and Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy. Will miracles
never cease?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:16:19 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Lois V Vierk
katsuhiro hayasaka wrote:
> I found this passage in "http://www.webcom.com/jimp/vierk.html"
>
> #Spring 1998 - TZADIK to release Vierk CD
>
> Does anyone know who is she ?
She's a quite wonderful young American composer who has written some
very effective pieces for the Kronos Quartet and others. I find her to
be one of the best composers to emerge from post-minimalism. There was
a PBS special on New York composers that showed her working with an
ensemble of Japanese traditional instrumentalists.
It's great news to hear that Zorn's giving her props... I hope she meets
with fabulous success. Thanks for the lead to her page.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:06:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Whitman <bwhitman@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Broadcast of free-improv thing
Thursday, October 23rd, at 8:30pm, the 'Blitter vs. Gimcrak' concert will
be broadcasted live over a RealAudio stream from WXJM studios in
Harrisonburg, VA. Both Blitter and Gimcrak are from Alfred Bizarro to be
Exactly / perfusely. You'll need the free RealPlayer (www.real.com) and a
internet connection with a soundcard / speakers.
The performance is a duet; elec- tronic and tric textures...
Gimcrak (Chris Moutenot): guitars, effects, speakers
Blitter (Brian Whitman): sampler, analog synth, function generator, bass
Tune in to http://www.netspace.org/users/bwhitman/blitcrak
Thanks! Any questions drop them my way.
Brian Whitman
bwhitman@wpi.edu
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:20:02 PDT
From: "The Penguin" <penguin666@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bible Launcher?
I am curious about this Bible Launcher CD I have seen mentioned. What is
it, and how do I get it?
Thanks Much...
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:42:01 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher?
> I am curious about this Bible Launcher CD I have seen mentioned. What is
> it, and how do I get it?
> Thanks Much...
Bible Launcher is drums/guitar/bass/sax - quartet that plays
noise-funk-speedmetal, (sometimes they sound a bit like the
more noisy Naked-City -stuff).
There are 32 songs on the CD and most of them are build around
samples of television - evangelists and priests (recently I saw the
record most of the samples come from, but I don't have it over here),
sometimes in combination with samples of porn movies.
I like the record very much (some of it reminds me of the Jezebel-Spirit
track of Eno/Byrne), although I must admit it becomes a bit boring after
half an hour.
Now the sad part of the story : it seem's that the record was deleted after
complaints of the religious son of a bitch. (well, after all they are the
fifth member of the band.)
Regards,
yves
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:18:49 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Bible Launcher
- --MimeMultipartBoundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
As we seem to be reviving the Bible Launcher thread, has anyone out
there got a spare copy to trade or sell? I've never seen it at all in
the UK and would really like to get a copy.
Thanks in advance.
Scott Russell
(apologies to Yves whom I sent this to already!)
- --
Without theory all we have is opinion and shopping. Chris Cutler
- --MimeMultipartBoundary--
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:06:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: K.Haino
WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard
some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something.
I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this
sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that
stuff.
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:50:13 -0400
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: K.Haino
y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU wrote:
>
> WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard
> some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something.
> I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this
> sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that
> stuff.
i've heard a keiji haino/fushitishi? track and it sounded much like
sonic youth guitarism. but that was only one track. i have the haino
album on tzadik "no tenshi..." and it has no guitars, just interesting
percussive beats, bell sounds and vocals...
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:06:00 +0900
From: katsuhiro hayasaka <c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp>
Subject: Tzadik Upcoming Releases (re:Tzadik releases)
I have Tzadik catalog. This catalog contains "Upcoming Releases".
I got this 6 months ago. So, some are already released.
Sorry if you already know.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Composers Series
Eyvind Kang vol.2 Mamoru Fujieda vol.2 <-----Patterns of Plants
Mark Dresser John Zorn
Norman Yamada Mark Degliantoni
Lois Vierk Anthony Coleman
Bob Ostertag Fred Frith
Radical Jewish Culture
Gary Lucas Serge Gainsbourg:Great Jewish Music
Frank London Selfhaters
New Japan Series
Yasunao Tone <-----Solo for Wounded CD
Tenko and Otomo Tetsu Inoue
Yuka Honda Toshinori Kondo
Archival Series
Cynical Hysterie Hour Duras
Godard Aporias:Requia for Piano and Orchestra
The Parachute Years(3CD) Painkiller-Guts of a Virgin
Painkiller-Buried Secrets Painkiller-Execution Ground(3CD)
Filmworks 1 , 7
Film Music
Nana Vasconcelos Ikue Mori
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
P.S.
In "Lunatic Fringe", Bible Launcher CD (TZ 7402) is deleted.
- -------------------------
Katsuhiro Hayasaka
c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp
- -------------------------
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:07:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: trade?
I own copies of the Zorn/Eye CDs 'Nani Nani' and 'Zohar'. Although i'm
sort of a zorn completist, i really don't listen to these discs very
often. If anyone has something cool to trade me for either/both of these,
do let me know.
cha,
jascha
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:54:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: Re: K.Haino
>y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU wrote:
>>
>> WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard
>> some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something.
>> I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this
>> sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that
>> stuff.
>
>i've heard a keiji haino/fushitishi? track and it sounded much like
>sonic youth guitarism. but that was only one track. i have the haino
>album on tzadik "no tenshi..." and it has no guitars, just interesting
>percussive beats, bell sounds and vocals...
Fushitsusha, and I don't know what albums y'all have heard but they sound
very little like Sonic Youth. Sure they both turn their amps to '11'
(sonic youth much less recently) and arange the detrius into musical forms,
but SY use lots of Branca harmonic strum and nimble (not that nimble)
rythmn, while Fushitsusha work in degraded Blue Cheer inspired
sludge/drone, K. Haino working his guitar like an exploding hurdy gurdy.
Anyone who works with feedback does not sound like SY.
In anycase if you don't like this kinda thing (noisy guitars) you
should probably avoid K. Haino. Sure their are a number of items in his
catalogue, but you'll spend alot of time trying to cherry pick the
non-noisy, atypical items. That said, give Fushisusha's _Allegorical
Misunderstanding_(just discussed here) a shot (which actually sounds the
MOST like recent SY to me), or the Tzadik album above, or the Hurdy Gurdy
album on PSF, or perhaps the best choice is Ninjimu (Nijimu? sp? help me
out here) _Era of Sad Wings_ on PSF which is electro-acoutic medival music,
or for quieter but more 'typical' Haino, the _Ninjimu_ album under his own
name on PSF (is this still in print).
matt
- ------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:35:06 -0500
From: Craig Rath <fripp@ibm.net>
Subject: Haino
>> WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard
>> some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something.
>> I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this
>> sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that
>> stuff.
If you're looking for a good mixture of his different styles, try "A
Challenge to Fate". Everything from his harsh noise to his more melodic side.
There are many others that I would recommend, my current favorite being "I
Said, This is the Son of Nihilism" on Table of the Elements. For a very
different take on his non-guitar work, try "Gerry Miles" where he teams up
with Alan Licht recording with Organ, Clarinet, Vocals and Percussion,
recorded in a cathedral. Very different sound. Or his various recent
collaborations, including Derek Bailey, Peter Brotzmann, Barre Phillips,
etc. The list goes on.
For a very good, rather complete listing of his various works, check out the
Unofficial Keiji Haino Homepage at http://www.cems.umn.edu/~keffer/ -
probably the most complete listing of his available catalog you'll ever
find, up to about 75 items at last count.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:19:10
From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: K.Haino
>WHo can tell me the best Keiji Haino recordings to check out? I've heard
>some of his stuff with a group called something like Fush...something.
>I've always head what a great guitarist and musician he is, but this
>sounded a little like a Sonic Youth jam. And I'm not looking for that
>stuff.
Keiji Haino on his own can be pretty unpredictable. On the very recent "So,
Black is Myself" he sings along to an electronic drone generator and plays
some unspecified eastern-sounding stringed instrument. It's quite hypnotic
in it's own way.
But as far as straight ahead guitar (and the occasional vocal) is concerned
I would recommend the two Forced Exposure releases "Execration That Accept
to Acknowledge" and "Book of Eternity Set Aflame" or the Table of the
Elements release "I said this is the son of nihilism". I would recommend
these because not only are they excellent albums that will give you a feel
for the scope of Keiji Haino's playing but they are also domestic releases
and therefore don't cost $28 a pop.
But they're all good in their own way,
Jesse
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:48:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: Re: K.Haino/ground zero
>But as far as straight ahead guitar (and the occasional vocal) is concerned
>I would recommend the two Forced Exposure releases "Execration That Accept
>to Acknowledge" and "Book of Eternity Set Aflame" or the Table of the
>Elements release "I said this is the son of nihilism".
I can't speak for the TOTE release, but to me both Forced Exposure titles
were pretty lackluster Haino releases, espessially _Book of Eternity..._
which contains a simply ENDLESS very monodynamic drone for some (if I'm
remembering right) 30odd minutes. Really nothing happens (and this is
comming from someone who listens to alot of drone music) until the end
(which is kinda nice actually). _Execration..._ is not bad but sort of
unfocused; I never play it, but that may be because many of the "riffs"
sound similar to the dbllive Fushitsusha cd. I would suggest bumping up a
couple bucks for the Japanese or French imports, its worth the cash. (only
the recent major label stuff is $28).
I forgot about the Gerry Miles cd with Alan Licht, that would be a great
title to get if one wanted to avoid the guitar histronics (though not the
vocal ones).
onto Ground Zero. _plays standards_ is a pretty great album. Deffinately
their most "fun" and less conceptual. The pattern: take an old tune
(preferably nice and cheasy) with personal meaning, add another, play
samples while the band goes town with that crazy punked up noise they do so
well. This is really a rocking album, much nimbler than previous ones
which could vear more tward the pounding and metalic. One highlight is the
closer,using Roland Kirk's version of Bacharach tune which the Ground Zero
plays along too. Zorn coulda used this to liven up the _Great Jewish
Music_ cds cause it's just crazed.
- ------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."
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