ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive/v02.n136

Internet Message Format | 1997-10-17 | 21KB

From: [e-mail] (zorn-list Digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #136
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence:


zorn-list Digest      Saturday, October 18 1997      Volume 02 : Number 136



In this issue:

    Re: Nov. Koch releases.
    Re: Andy Haas
    Re:  Andy Haas
    Wasserman, Wallerman?
    Re: Wasserman, Wallerman?
    Re: Nov. Koch Releases
    Re: Wasserman, Wallerman?
    Re: Allegorical Fushitsusha
    Re: painkiller re-issues
    Re: Allegorical Fushitsusha
    Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #135
    FS: Creedle- When the Wind Blows CD
    Re: mystery (to me) group
    Re: painkiller re-issues
    happy New Yorkers
    Eugene Chadbourne
    Ventura CA New Music Series & Newsletter
    goin' to japan
    Tzadik Website Up
    A Benefit for La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela

See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list
or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:59:05 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Nov. Koch releases.

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:44:10 -0700  [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > New Koch book is here!  Here are the goodies we save our nickels for...
> > KEN BUTLER: VOICES OF ANXIOUS OBJECTS
> > Tzadik7402 Lunatic Fringe (DDD)
>   ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Really? I thought 7402 was the catalog number of BIBLE LAUNCHER.
>
>         Patrice.

I just re-checked the book, and it looks like they are re-cycling the
the 7402 number.  I guess that if there ARE boxes of Bible Launcher CDs
sitting around somewhere, I'd appreciate it someone would offer to sell
me one!

They even have the bar-code under the art of the Ken Butler  CD.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:07:22 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Andy Haas

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:44:07 +0000  Scott Russell wrote:
>
> --MimeMultipartBoundary
>
> Has anyone heard the Andy Haas digeridoo duets disc on Avant? I've seen
> it in a local shop but at the usual not-so-cheap price so I'd like some
> opinions.

If you can stand one hour of didjeridu, it is worth buying.

    Patrice.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:39:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Andy Haas

<<Has anyone heard the Andy Haas digeridoo duets disc on Avant? I've seen
it in a local shop but at the usual not-so-cheap price so I'd like some
opinions.>>

I heard it once through. I was very interested in it because some of my
favorite musicians (Makigami Koichi, Keiji Haino) are prominently featured. I
must say that I was underwhelmed, however. I love the sound of the didgeridoo
but about halfway through the album, I had heard enough didgeridoo to last me
for months. All in all, I would say it was less than the sum of its parts but
your mileage may vary.

Jon

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:10:02 EDT
From: [e-mail] (James T Graves)
Subject: Wasserman, Wallerman?

I stumbled upon one of JZ's upcoming gigs at the Knitting Factory home
page a few days ago. I'm sure you're all familiar with it, Zorn will be
playing next Wednesday  with John Medeski, Marc Ribot, and some guy named
Wasserman. A friend of mine said he had a few CD's with this guy on it,
but he couldn't remember which ones.

So, I have three questions. First, who is this guy, is he just another
downtown drummer whose played with everyone, or should I be stumbling all
over myself to see him. Second, does anyone know what the group will be
playing? I assume they'll be playing Zorn stuff (which only narrows it
down to a few dozen genres...) Perhaps Bar Kokhaba stuff? Unfortunately I
have not gotten around to purchasing that album yet, but I know Medeski
and Ribot are on it, does Wasserman (Wallerman?) play on it too?

Jamie

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:46:10 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Wasserman, Wallerman?

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:10:02 EDT  James T Graves wrote:
>
> I stumbled upon one of JZ's upcoming gigs at the Knitting Factory home
> page a few days ago. I'm sure you're all familiar with it, Zorn will be
> playing next Wednesday  with John Medeski, Marc Ribot, and some guy named
> Wasserman. A friend of mine said he had a few CD's with this guy on it,
> but he couldn't remember which ones.
>
> So, I have three questions. First, who is this guy, is he just another
> downtown drummer whose played with everyone, or should I be stumbling all
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Drummer? I know of a Rob Wasserman, but he is a bass player. He has appeared
on few records along with Marc Ribot, hence my guess that it could be the same
person:

*** - THE LION FOR REAL: Allen Ginsberg
    1989 - Great Jones, GJ6004 (LP)
    1989 - Great Jones, CCD6004 (CD)
    ???? - Antilles, AN8750 (LP)
    1997 - Mercury (USA), 314 534 908-2 (CD)

*** - MIGHTY LIKE A ROSE: Elvis Costello
    1991 - Warner Bros. (USA), 9 26575-2 (CD)
    1991 - Warner Bros. (USA), W2 26575 (CD)

    Patrice.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:09:27
From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Nov. Koch Releases

>Fushitsusha - Allegorical Misunderstanding
>Avant008
>Haino Keiji, Ozawa Yasushi, Kosugi Jun.
>Influenced by everything from Scarlatti to Partch, Blood Ulmer to
>Django, Munir Bachir to Vassilis Tsitsanis, Haino's music is intense,
>visceral and brutally honest.This is also Haino's first studio recording
>ever.  Produced by John Zorn and recorded by Martin Bisi, this is a
>special one of a kind listening experience.  Haino plays for lovers
>only.

I can't recommend this album highly enough. Track number 9 is a fourteen
minute guitar assault propelled by a dark and driving bass line and some
brilliantly abstract drumming. This album contains some of Keiji Haino's
most melodic guitar playing and yet it still manages to maintain the hard
edge and uncompromising darkness that we've come to expect from Fushitsusha.

>Finally CRI is releasing "The Harry Partch Collection."

And none to soon either.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:12:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Wasserman, Wallerman?

If it's John Wasserman, he's a bass player of some esteem.  He's put out
atleast a couple of albums, "Duos" and "Trios."

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, James T Graves wrote:

> I stumbled upon one of JZ's upcoming gigs at the Knitting Factory home
> page a few days ago. I'm sure you're all familiar with it, Zorn will be
> playing next Wednesday  with John Medeski, Marc Ribot, and some guy named
> Wasserman. A friend of mine said he had a few CD's with this guy on it,
> but he couldn't remember which ones.
>
> So, I have three questions. First, who is this guy, is he just another
> downtown drummer whose played with everyone, or should I be stumbling all
> over myself to see him. Second, does anyone know what the group will be
> playing? I assume they'll be playing Zorn stuff (which only narrows it
> down to a few dozen genres...) Perhaps Bar Kokhaba stuff? Unfortunately I
> have not gotten around to purchasing that album yet, but I know Medeski
> and Ribot are on it, does Wasserman (Wallerman?) play on it too?
>
> Jamie
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:11:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Allegorical Fushitsusha

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Jesse Simon wrote:

> >Fushitsusha - Allegorical Misunderstanding
> >Avant008
> >Haino Keiji, Ozawa Yasushi, Kosugi Jun.
> >Influenced by everything from Scarlatti to Partch, Blood Ulmer to
> >Django, Munir Bachir to Vassilis Tsitsanis, Haino's music is intense,
> >visceral and brutally honest.This is also Haino's first studio recording
> >ever.  Produced by John Zorn and recorded by Martin Bisi, this is a
> >special one of a kind listening experience.  Haino plays for lovers
> >only.
>
> I can't recommend this album highly enough. Track number 9 is a fourteen
> minute guitar assault propelled by a dark and driving bass line and some
> brilliantly abstract drumming. This album contains some of Keiji Haino's
> most melodic guitar playing and yet it still manages to maintain the hard
> edge and uncompromising darkness that we've come to expect from Fushitsusha.

Hmmm, I was not very impressed with this one.  It was the 3rd or 4th of
theirs that I bought and it just didn't do too much for me.  To kinda
paraphrase one reviewer - the sound seemed contained in a kind of crystal
field and was never really able to let loose (actually I think this was
said about a Haino solo release, but it applies here).  To my ears, it
doesn't really represent what Fushitsusha *really* sounds like (live *and*
fully unleashed in the studio), but your mileage may vary.....

cya
brian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:12:03 -0500
From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: painkiller re-issues

At 08:43 AM 10/16/97 -0400, Caleb Deupree wrote:
>You should know that Buried Secrets is very short, only about 20
>minutes if I remember correctly.  One track is only three seconds
>long.

I believe you're thinking of 'Guts of a Virgin'. 'Buried Secrets' is the
album with two amazing tracks featuring the Godflesh boys (tracks on which,
Justin Broadrick told me, Mick Harris is not playing).

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:18:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: Re: Allegorical Fushitsusha

While _Allegorical Misunderstanding_ is for me not the best and deffinately
not the most representative Fushitsusha album it played an intrumental role
in my comprehension of what they were doing.  I like full on stuff quite
alot, but after hearing this new worlds in the louder stuff opened up.  I
still like the album quite a bit though in its own right.  Sure they don't
"let loose" but there's more to life (and music, even free music) than "the
wailing ultimate" (to quote sst).  Crytalized and delicate are wonderfull
descriptions for this album which I would use as complements.  I would
recomend the album, and deffinately say pick it up for anyone looking for
an "in" to Haino's world (and it makes a nice antithical pair with _A
Caution Appears_).

The Tzadik album is, IMHO, less completely successfull but was also
critical in enhacing my appreciation of Haino's louder work.  Specificially
the way he holds notes and tones and manipulates the overtones most of all.






>On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Jesse Simon wrote:
>
>> >Fushitsusha - Allegorical Misunderstanding
>> >Avant008
>> >Haino Keiji, Ozawa Yasushi, Kosugi Jun.
>> >Influenced by everything from Scarlatti to Partch, Blood Ulmer to
>> >Django, Munir Bachir to Vassilis Tsitsanis, Haino's music is intense,
>> >visceral and brutally honest.This is also Haino's first studio recording
>> >ever.  Produced by John Zorn and recorded by Martin Bisi, this is a
>> >special one of a kind listening experience.  Haino plays for lovers
>> >only.
>>
>> I can't recommend this album highly enough. Track number 9 is a fourteen
>> minute guitar assault propelled by a dark and driving bass line and some
>> brilliantly abstract drumming. This album contains some of Keiji Haino's
>> most melodic guitar playing and yet it still manages to maintain the hard
>> edge and uncompromising darkness that we've come to expect from Fushitsusha.
>
>Hmmm, I was not very impressed with this one.  It was the 3rd or 4th of
>theirs that I bought and it just didn't do too much for me.  To kinda
>paraphrase one reviewer - the sound seemed contained in a kind of crystal
>field and was never really able to let loose (actually I think this was
>said about a Haino solo release, but it applies here).  To my ears, it
>doesn't really represent what Fushitsusha *really* sounds like (live *and*
>fully unleashed in the studio), but your mileage may vary.....
>
>cya
>brian


- ------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:32:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #135

Does anyone have info. on Ribot's new project "Los Cubanos?" Line-up?
Recording plans? Is it true they are on Atlantic?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:16:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: FS: Creedle- When the Wind Blows CD

I've got a copy of this great CD for $5 plus $2 p/h.  For those not familiar
with the group, Creedle is very much in the mold of Naked City/Painkiller-
era Zorn.  On this, their third CD, they have taken on more of a _Spillaine_
- -era sound...avant/bop with plenty of suprises.  I'm sure there are many Zorn
fans out there that will flip over this.  Email me privately if interested,
or if you wish for more details.

=dgasque=

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:13:44 PDT
From: "Tim Schelfhout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group

You should listen more carefully!
For one I can hear Sharrock and Parkins easily.  It's true however that
it's not their usual musical behaviour.

Take care
TIMPY

- ----Original Message Follows----
To: "Tim Schelfhout" <[e-mail]>
cc: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:28:48 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>


On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:38:21 PDT  "Tim Schelfhout" wrote:
>
> Buy it!!! It's awesome.
> I mean Parkins, Sharrock, Frith ... should I go on! If you see these
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From my memory, their appearance is more obvious on the sleeve of the
record than in the music :-).

    Patrice.



______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:13:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Anthony 'Twizzler' Saunders" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: painkiller re-issues

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, clockwise wrote:

> At 08:43 AM 10/16/97 -0400, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> >You should know that Buried Secrets is very short, only about 20
> >minutes if I remember correctly.  One track is only three seconds
> >long.

 Well, buried secrets does have the song trailmarker, which is only three
seconds. But it also has two 6+ minute pieces. The rest of the album is
short songs. I think it clocks in at 30 minutes. "Guts of a virgin" is
also very short, very very good.

 anthony

"You know, Arthur, when evil is afoot, and you don't have any arms,
you've gotta use your head.  And when evil is ahead and you're behind,
you've gotta do the legwork.  But, (dramatic pause) when you can't get a
leg up, you gotta be hip.  You gotta keep your chin up, and kick some..."
"Tick, we get the idea."
 - "Armless not harmless" espisode of The Tick

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:25:23 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: happy New Yorkers

    Got the following flyer in my mail box yesterday. For a couple of
seconds, I thought it was happening in Porltland...

    Patrice.

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Millennium Film Workshop presents:

        HENRY HILLS in person with

        the New York premiere of

        MECHANICS OF THE BRAIN

        a film by Henry Hills & Sally Silvers

        plus HERETIC, MONEY, & LITTLE LIEUTENANT

ANTHOLOGY FILM ARCHIVES
East 2nd Street and 2nd Avenue

Saturday, October 25, 8:00pm

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:32:35 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eugene Chadbourne

Eugene Chadbourne is in Californee this week.

Friday, Saturday, and Sunday in the SF Bay area.

Monday Night at the Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica.

Tuesday Night at the Mercury Lounge in Goleta.

Wednesday Night at the Daily Grind in Ventura.

If you want more details, e-mail me.
Keith McMullen
[e-mail]

Sz

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:12:10 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ventura CA New Music Series & Newsletter

I am in the process of sending out the first mailing of the newsletter
(pfMENTUM) introducing the Ventura New Music Series.

If you are interested in a free subscription and are not already on the
mailing list, please e-mail me with your snail-mail address.

Keith McMullen
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 07:18:53 -0600
From: louie <[e-mail]>
Subject: goin' to japan

a friend of mine is going to japan next week. do any of you
zornothologists know a cd store where he might find painkiller or other
zorn stuff? he'll be spending most of his time in tokyo i think.
- -louie

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:53:33 +0100
From: Karim Ratib <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tzadik Website Up

Hi,
I haven't seen a post for the this so I'm posting this. I checked on
www.tzadik.com and it worked. It is created by the people the at the
knit. It's not fully up, there is a section for Zorn called "Zorn's
corner" and "Zorn's top 10", but they're not up yet. I apologize if
you already know.

Jeremy

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:09:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: A Benefit for La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela

A Benefit for
La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela

Vocal concert of North Indian Ragas with
Terry Riley
Disciple of Faquir Pran Nath

Accompanied by
Michael Harrison - Voice and Tamboura
Lee Torchia - Tamboura
Rose Okada - Sarangi
Rik Masterson - Tabla

Saturday, October 25th - 8pm

The Tribe Dance Studio
137 Duane Street, Buzzer 203, NYC

between West Broadway & Church Street
2 blocks north of Chambers
Subway: 1, 2, 3, 9, A, E or C to Chambers
4, 5 or 6 to Brooklyn Bridge
N or R to City Hall

Admission - $15

Please call: Zarifah Sander Manzella
@ 212-265-5199 for information

MELA Foundation web site:
http://www.virtulink.com/mela/main.htm

Also from Mark Weber:

>thought you might like to know about the benefit
>concert i have organised for la monte young and
>marian zazeela. i don't know if you're aware, but
>marian has been quite ill recently & doctor's haven't
>yet made a satisfactory diagnosis. she spent about 60
>days incapacitated in bed with severe back pains and
>general numbness. this of course meant they were
>unable to continue with their work and made their
>financial problems very obvious. the concert is on
>october 31st at the barbican centre in london and will
>feature special performances by pulp, spiritualized,
>gavin bryars ensemble and the english chamber orchestra
>performing steve martland. there will also be exclusive
>tape contributions from terry riley and spring heel
>jack. we will be showing video excerpts of la monte
>performing the well-tuned piano and with the blues band.
>please let anyone you know in the uk know about the
>concert, which will be officially announced on friday
>17th with la monte on the front cover of the guardian
>newspaper's arts supplement.
>best wishes,
>mark webber


* David Beardsley
* [e-mail]
*
* virtual dream house monitor
* for
* the MELA Foundation
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/mela/main.htm

------------------------------

End of zorn-list Digest V2 #136
*******************************

To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command:

    subscribe zorn-list-digest

in the body of a message to "[e-mail]".  If you want to
subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such
as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the
"subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-zorn-list":

    subscribe zorn-list-digest [e-mail]

A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest"
in the commands above with "zorn-list".

Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in
pub/lists/zorn-list/archive.  These are organized by date.