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zorn-list Digest      Thursday, October 16 1997      Volume 02 : Number 135



In this issue:

    Mike Patton, Merzbow, KK Null and Michael Sheridan concert
    Re: Praxis
    Re: mystery (to me) group
    Re: mystery (to me) group
    Re: Praxis
    Re: mystery (to me) group
    Re: mystery (to me) group
    Re: Nov. Koch releases.
    Re: painkiller re-issues
    Re: Bill Frisell in Texas
    the grassroots
    Re: mystery (to me) group
    Nov. Koch Releases
    Andy Haas
    ATTN: TOM PRATT

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:11:48 +0000
From: "Richie Teh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mike Patton, Merzbow, KK Null and Michael Sheridan concert

Hi all,

Thot you might be interested. Mike Patton (of Faith No More/Mr Bungle
fame) will be performing in a concert with Merbow here in Melbourne,
Australia
on the 28 Oct 97. Supporting them will be Michael Sheridan (Peril)
and KK Null.

I'll be there!



Regards,
Richie Teh
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:12:24 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Praxis

>Is this title being given to the original _Praxis_ EP (home of the
track
>"1984") or is this something else/more?
>
>Chris Hamilton

That was all the info they had, save for it being $8.99 for the CD. I
assumed that it's the original EP, but I could be wrong.

Dave Brunelle

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:34:02 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group

Brian Olewnick wrote:

> Anthony Fabio wrote:
> >
> > has anyone heard of a band called N.A.D.?

> The entire name is Niu Abdomineaux Dangereux (think I got the spelling
>
> right) and it's a pretty fun album. Th guest musicians you mentioned
> are
> scattered throughout and are basically in a support role. The band
> does
> a few interesting covers: a kinda country version of 'Ghosts',
> Ornette's
> 'Broadway Blues' and a wonderful version of 'Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo'
> (possible spelling error once again).

The band was a project led by Italian guitarist Roberto Zorzi, the same
guy who led the band that recorded the album "Omonimo" under the name
The Bang.  That band featured Tim Berne, Herb Robertson, Mark Feldman,
Percy Jones, Bobby Previte and Italian keyboardist Matteo Ederle.
Despite that stellar lineup it's not an especially good album.  There's
also a tape floating around in trader's circles featuring the same band
minus Ederle and plus Elliott Sharp, billed as the New Traditionalists.
Both the tape and the disc feature a loose cover version of Led
Zeppelin's "Dazed and Confused," and the tape also features a bent cover
of "Ladies of the Road" by King Crimson.  I haven't heard anything else
about Zorzi or N.A.D. since that first album, but if it's cheap it's
worth hearing.  The Bang, on the other hand, is very hard to find but
not nearly as worthwhile.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:36:12 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group

> The band was a project led by Italian guitarist Roberto Zorzi, the same
> guy who led the band that recorded the album "Omonimo" under the name
> The Bang.  That band featured Tim Berne, Herb Robertson, Mark Feldman,
> Percy Jones, Bobby Previte and Italian keyboardist Matteo Ederle.
> Despite that stellar lineup it's not an especially good album.

I don't know about that. I have this and I really like it quite a bit.
Aside from Matteo Ederle, who I really don't like on this album, the
others pretty much tear it up. The Zorzi/Ederle composition seemed out
of place due to it's lack of energy but "Dartman" and "Rose In The Beer"
are great. I like the live tape of New Traditionalists much more though.
Matteo Ederle doesn't play on it and Elliott Sharp is with them. Herb
Robertson has some crazy vocal things at the end of some tune. Percy
Jones rips it up throughout. I don't know why you didn't like it but oh
well... just a different opinion.

The live tape beats out the album for sure though.

Anybody know anything else Roberto Zorzi's done?

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:15:17 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Praxis

At 08:48 AM 10/15/97 PDT, David Brunelle wrote:
>While looking through CDNow, I noticed that Subharmonic is preparing to
>issue "1984" on CD the beginning of November. I assume this is part of
>their plan to make money off of Laswell, since he stopped putting stuff
>out on the label.

They can do whatever they want with what they own the rights to.  The
musicians don't get paid for additional sales in that case.

>I also saw "Transmutations Live" listed at $12.99.
>Does this mean that Douglas finally found US distribution?

Not yet, but maybe someone has decided to jump the gun.

By the way, Douglas is a US-based label (out of LA).  A little strange that
people have had to buy stuff through a circuitous route.

Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:03:26 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group

Tom Pratt wrote:

> > Despite that stellar lineup it's not an especially good album.
>
> I don't know about that. I have this and I really like it quite a bit.
>
> [snip] I don't know why you didn't like it but oh
> well... just a different opinion.

Well, I wouldn't go so far to say that I don't like it!  I haven't been
in any rush to part with it.  I think there's some fine, energetic
playing on the part of most everybody concerned, and further think that
Herb Robertson has gotten so little exposure in recent years that just
about anything you can find with him is worth having.  It's also the
only place you'll find Berne's tune "Dartman," so ain't no way I'm
giving it up.  I think what I *should* have said is that it's *okay* but
isn't really as amazing as you might expect it to be given the lineup.
And you're right, the tape is stronger than the CD (which is also a live
recording) for all the reasons you mentioned.

> Anybody know anything else Roberto Zorzi's done?

He's got a website at http://rcvr.univr.it/spettaco/musica/zorzi/, but
the server there is not repsonding at present so I can't answer your
question although I do know that there's more than just NAD and the
Bang.  The site is completely in Italian, but if you poke around enough
you may find something of interest.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:38:21 PDT
From: "Tim Schelfhout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group

Buy it!!! It's awesome.
I mean Parkins, Sharrock, Frith ... should I go on! If you see these
names on a CD all you can do is BUY.  They don't play along the whole
ride though nevertheless it's worth it.
I recall that when I saw this particular CD I bought it immediately and
I have to say the music kinda has to grow on ya but once it has it
boggles the mind.
The music is kinda weird since they use samples in between
straightforward jazz tunes.  Close you're eyes and enjoy the movie...
coz' basically that's what it is.  Drawing pictures in the mind.

TIMPY

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anthony  Fabio <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: mystery (to me) group


has anyone heard of a band called N.A.D.? i think they are an italian
band. i keep seeing at a used CD store a CD by them in which i have
been tempted to buy several times. zeena parkins, sonny sharrock, elliot
sharp and others play on various cuts. the album is titled something
like
"ghosts".

tony


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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:55:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Nov. Koch releases.

In a message dated 97-10-15 18:37:40 EDT, it was written:

<< This may be common Knowledge, but Umezu also has an excellent Cd called
 "eclecticism" with Marc Ribot and others.  It's on Knitting Factory works >>

Hope this isn't repeat information, but he also has a few LPs out on the
Swiss label Hat Hut/Hat Art.  Not sure if they are still in print.

spinning: Creedle- When the Wind Blows

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:43:12 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: painkiller re-issues

>>>>> "louie" == louie  <[e-mail]> writes:

    >> Someone in the chat section of the Dub Terrorist's pages said
    >> that Tzadik would be re-issuing "Guts of a Virgin", "Buried
    >> Secrets" and the 3 disc "Execution Ground" later this year. Of
    >> course, he didn't say how he came by this information.

    louie> i read the same thing, if anyone in the know has any info
    louie> i'm sure there are many zorn-list folks who would love to
    louie> find out if this is true.(these albums are slowly becoming
    louie> larger than life, hopefully when the day comes that i hear
    louie> them (i have execution ground) i'm not disappointed!);\

You should know that Buried Secrets is very short, only about 20
minutes if I remember correctly.  One track is only three seconds
long.

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:49:45 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Rusty Crump)
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Texas

>On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Mark Michael Mathis wrote:
>
>> This brings up an interesting question.  Why
>> doesn't anybody come to Texas?  When painkiller toured for "execution
>> ground" they played on the coasts and in like Chicago.  Why?  I know tons
>> of people here that would love to see John Zorn play.
>
>I always assumed that this was because, although Texas is pretty hip, the
>surrounding states really aren't.  For example, when Television did their
>reunion tour a few years back, they ended up cancelling the Austin date
>because they couldn't get gigs in surrounding states.  Things do seem to
>be improving though.  When I was in Houston in August, William Parker and
>his wife were playing there, and evidently it was worth Frisell's while
>to play there as well.
>
>Chris Hamilton
>Texan-in-Exile

I thank my lucky stars that JZ included Memphis in Masada's 10-city tourlet
last year. I'm not sure what prompted (heh... a little Cobra humor...) him
to start with a southern swing, but it sure was appreciated. The problem is
that Memphis is seen, to a degree, as a blues town only. Chris Walker at
Barrister's has done what he can to bring in alternatives (Masada, Zeni
Geva, Tortoise, Test Dept., etc.) to the same old hamhocks bluesin' it up
on stage, but it's an uphill struggle. I've seen way too many bands doing
southern swings and going from Texas to New Orleans to Atlanta without
stopping in Memphis. Or never going souther of Chicago in the first place.
Hmf.

Rusty Crump

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:57:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: the grassroots

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Steve Smith wrote:

> the idea being that if you want something to come to you, make it
> happen yourself, which is what the friend I mentioned earlier is now
> doing in Washington, DC with great results.

if yr talking about transparent productions then i just gotta say that
they're doing an amazing job of bringing jazz to dee cee.  ever since dc
space closed in the early 90's, this area has been kind of a wasteland
for indie/underground jazz, but since this summer transparent has sponsored
shows by the likes of joe mcphee, ellery eskelin trio, david s. ware
quartet, joe morris trio and william parker (the wm. parker show evidently
made $1000).  plus they have shows lined up for leo smith and fred ho as
well as a possible dave douglas show next month.

b

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:28:48 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mystery (to me) group

On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:38:21 PDT  "Tim Schelfhout" wrote:
>
> Buy it!!! It's awesome.
> I mean Parkins, Sharrock, Frith ... should I go on! If you see these
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From my memory, their appearance is more obvious on the sleeve of the
record than in the music :-).

    Patrice.

> names on a CD all you can do is BUY.  They don't play along the whole
> ride though nevertheless it's worth it.
> I recall that when I saw this particular CD I bought it immediately and
> I have to say the music kinda has to grow on ya but once it has it
> boggles the mind.
> The music is kinda weird since they use samples in between
> straightforward jazz tunes.  Close you're eyes and enjoy the movie...
> coz' basically that's what it is.  Drawing pictures in the mind.
>
> TIMPY
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Anthony  Fabio <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: mystery (to me) group
>
>
> has anyone heard of a band called N.A.D.? i think they are an italian
> band. i keep seeing at a used CD store a CD by them in which i have
> been tempted to buy several times. zeena parkins, sonny sharrock, elliot
> sharp and others play on various cuts. the album is titled something
> like
> "ghosts".
>
> tony
>
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:39:45 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Nov. Koch Releases

Fushitsusha - Allegorical Misunderstanding
Avant008
Haaino Keiji, Ozawa Yasushi, Kosugi Jun.
Influenced by everything from Scarlatti to Partch, Blood Ulmer to
Django, Munir Bachir to Vassilis Tsitsanis, Haino's music is intense,
visceral and brutally honest.This is also Haino's first studio recording
ever.  Produced by John Zorn and recorded by Martin Bisi, this is a
special one of a kind listening experience.  Haino plays for lovers
only.

PIGPEN - V AS IN VICTIM
Avant027
Wayne Hortitz, Fred Chalenor, Briggan Krauss, Mike Stone.
HOrvitz is a master of many styles, but few have been as exciting as
Pigpen.  Featuring the talented young alto saxophonist Briggan Krauss,
Victim takes traditional instrumentation of sax, keyboard, bass and
drums into new places.  From Jazz to hardcore to moody soundpieces, with
a good dose of Booker T and Frank Zappa thrown in for good measure,
Wayne's various obsessions come together brilliantly in this 1993
recording.

MARK DRESSER  - BANQUET
Tzadik7027 - Composer SEries
W/ Matthias Ziegler, Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander, Chris Speed and
others.
One of the world's greatest virtuoso bass players, Mark Dresser has
worked with Anthony Davis, Diamanda Galas, Bob Osterag and Anthony
Braxton. He has created soundtracks for the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari and
Un Chien Andalou.  This CD features two of Mark's most important recent
works.  "Banquet" is a double concerto for flute, bass and string
quartet.  "Loss of the Innocents," written for tuba, cello and clarinet
is a kaddish for the victims of TWA Flight 800; a memorial to two
members of the Wayne SHorter family who dies in the crash.

NAFTULE'S DREAM - SEARCH FOR THE GOLDEN DREYDL
Tzadik 7118 - Radical Jewish Culture

Adventuropus originals and surprising re-interpretations of traditional
Jewish classics, Boston-based Naftule's Dream has created an
instrumental music of passion and intensity.  Fiery improv weaves in and
out of complex arrangements in a style reminiscent of Mingus at his
best.

Finally CRI is releasing "The Harry Partch Collection."
CRI751  (Vol. 1)
    11 Intrusions (1949-50)
    Plectra & Percussion Dances (1952)
    Ulysses at the Edge (1955)

CRI 752 (Vol.2)
    The Wayward:
    U.S. Highball (1943, rev.1955)
    San Francisco (1943, rev. 1955)
    The Letter (1943, rev. 1972)
    Barstow (1941, rev. 1968)
    And On The Seventh Day Petals Fell in Petaluma (1963-64, rev. 1966)

CRI753 (Vol. 3)
    The Dreamer That Remains  -  A Study in Living (1972)
    Rotate That Body in All Its Planes - Ballad For Gymnasts (1961)
    Windsong (1958)
    Water! Water! (1961)

CRI754 (Vol. 4)
    The Bewitched - A Dance  Satire (1954)

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:44:07 +0000
From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Andy Haas

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Has anyone heard the Andy Haas digeridoo duets disc on Avant? I've seen
it in a local shop but at the usual not-so-cheap price so I'd like some
opinions.

Scott Russell
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:37:37 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ATTN: TOM PRATT

>Finally CRI is releasing "The Harry Partch Collection."
>CRI751  (Vol. 1)
> 11 Intrusions (1949-50)
> Plectra & Percussion Dances (1952)
> Ulysses at the Edge (1955)
>
>CRI 752 (Vol.2)
> The Wayward:
> U.S. Highball (1943, rev.1955)
> San Francisco (1943, rev. 1955)
> The Letter (1943, rev. 1972)
> Barstow (1941, rev. 1968)
> And On The Seventh Day Petals Fell in Petaluma (1963-64, rev. 1966)
>
>CRI753 (Vol. 3)
> The Dreamer That Remains  -  A Study in Living (1972)
> Rotate That Body in All Its Planes - Ballad For Gymnasts (1961)
> Windsong (1958)
> Water! Water! (1961)
>
>CRI754 (Vol. 4)
> The Bewitched - A Dance  Satire (1954)
>
>

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