The lead article in the last week's New York Press, "The Rabbi's Basement
Tapes", is about Harry Smith, from a somewhat... um... different POV than
the other articles I've seen.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:46:38 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Gainsbourg
Yes, I finally got the Great Jewish Music : Serge Gainsbourg-CD, and it is amazing. Brilliant tracks from Kramer,MMW,Mike Patton , Cibbo Matto, David Shea and the maestro himself.
Does anybody know if zorn makes the choice of artist and songs himself, or is every artist free to chose a song ? (It was pretty obvious to me that Cibbo Matto should cover "je t'aime, moi non plus").
Yves,
P.S. after Bacharach and Gainsbourg, who's the next victim in this Jewish-outing game? I can hardly wait !
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:38:19 -0400
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg
Yves Dewulf wrote:
>
> Yes, I finally got the Great Jewish Music : Serge Gainsbourg-CD, and it is amazing. Brilliant tracks from Kramer,MMW,Mike Patton , Cibbo Matto, David Shea and
> Does anybody know if zorn makes the choice of artist and songs himself, or is every artist free to chose a song ? (It was pretty obvious to me that Cibbo Matto
>
> Yves,
>
> P.S. after Bacharach and Gainsbourg, who's the next victim in this Jewish-outing game? I can hardly wait !
Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, Gene Simmons (but all by their
original names).
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:54:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Magma
Who can tell me about the group Magma? What exactly do they sound like?
What does "Live" sound like?
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:18:16 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:54:31 -0500 (CDT) y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote:
>
> Who can tell me about the group Magma? What exactly do they sound like?
> What does "Live" sound like?
Magma was a French band founded by the drummer Christian Vander in the late
'60s.
The band had various lineups, but always with Vander.
The band used a lot of vocals sung in a made-up language (Kobaien). With
vocals, the music could remind you of some Carl Orff clone (Carmina...).
The music was fairly heavy, non-psychedelic at all, generous on drums and
percussion (thanks to Vander), with brass. As you can see, light years
from the "peace and love" sound of SF/California :-).
The band got accused of propagating some right-wing ideas (imagine a little
bit Laibach 30 years ago). Although they were never on that side, it was
easy to get confused with the sometimes fairly military kind of rhythms,
the language, use of symbols, the martial discipline proned by its leader,
and, if I remember well, even the outfit. In general, a performance would
look like a black mass with its set of rites.
In concert? The band could play one unique track for 2 hours without a
break and interruption.
In short, if France ever had a good "rock" band, Magma is likely to be
that one.
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:25:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: Magma
I heard someone comparing Ruins to Magma.
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:54:31 -0500 (CDT) y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote:
> >
> > Who can tell me about the group Magma? What exactly do they sound like?
> > What does "Live" sound like?
>
> Magma was a French band founded by the drummer Christian Vander in the late
> '60s.
>
> The band had various lineups, but always with Vander.
>
> The band used a lot of vocals sung in a made-up language (Kobaien). With
> vocals, the music could remind you of some Carl Orff clone (Carmina...).
>
> The music was fairly heavy, non-psychedelic at all, generous on drums and
> percussion (thanks to Vander), with brass. As you can see, light years
> from the "peace and love" sound of SF/California :-).
>
> The band got accused of propagating some right-wing ideas (imagine a little
> bit Laibach 30 years ago). Although they were never on that side, it was
> easy to get confused with the sometimes fairly military kind of rhythms,
> the language, use of symbols, the martial discipline proned by its leader,
> and, if I remember well, even the outfit. In general, a performance would
> look like a black mass with its set of rites.
>
> In concert? The band could play one unique track for 2 hours without a
> break and interruption.
>
> In short, if France ever had a good "rock" band, Magma is likely to be
> that one.
>
> Patrice.
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:26:58 -0500
From: Richard Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine (correction)
I had written:
> He also made "Escape" with Jody Harris, and a rythym section of Dave
> Hofstra and Dennis Charles. A friend of mine, when hearing it for the
> first time exclaimed: "Surf's up in Soho!" and thats as good a
> description as I could come up with.
Geez, guess I'm getting senile....... The Quine/Harris LP is
actually aduo with both guitarists doubling on bass and elec drums. The
LP I had it confused with is called "It Happened One Night"; which
consists of two different recording sessions. a trio of Harris, Hofstra
and Dennis Charles; and a quintet of Harris,Hofstra,Don Christianson on
Drums and Stanley Harrison and Richard Peck on Tenors Sax.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote:
> I heard someone comparing Ruins to Magma.
and with good reason...
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:07:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Pleshar <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg
At 01:38 PM 10/8/97 -0400, Jeff Schwartz wrote:
>> P.S. after Bacharach and Gainsbourg, who's the next victim in this
Jewish-outing game? I can hardly wait !
>
>Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, Gene Simmons (but all by their
>original names).
Also, Paul Stanley, that way you could have all of the great Kiss tunes
except "Cold Gin." If anyone says "Beth" is a great Kiss tune, I'll slap them.
Ralph
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:12:23 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:57:17 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote:
>
> > I heard someone comparing Ruins to Magma.
>
> and with good reason...
This is kind of true only from the following points:
- vocal (both use kind of opera/vocalise techniques)
- power drums
But besides that, there are quite different.
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:38:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> This is kind of true only from the following points:
i was referring mostly to the fact
that Yoshida is very influenced
by Magma. yeah, Ruins are a
bit faster paced than Magma
with more stop-start change-ups
etc, but it's all still very
Magma-like. the new(ish) Koenjihiyaki
disc sounds almost exactly like
an updated version of Magma.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:54:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Robert Pleshar wrote:
> Also, Paul Stanley, that way you could have all of the great Kiss tunes
> except "Cold Gin." If anyone says "Beth" is a great Kiss tune, I'll slap them.
"beth" is a great kiss tune.
b
p.s. c'mon, it's the first power-ballad!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:52:29 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:38:37 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> > This is kind of true only from the following points:
>
> i was referring mostly to the fact
> that Yoshida is very influenced
> by Magma. yeah, Ruins are a
> bit faster paced than Magma
> with more stop-start change-ups
> etc, but it's all still very
> Magma-like. the new(ish) Koenjihiyaki
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Never heard about that one. What label?
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:39:50 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:33:39 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> > Never heard about that one. What label?
>
> koenjihyakei KOENJIHYAKE (CD, God Mountain: GMCD 027)
>
> 1. grembo zavia (10:14)
> 2. gaddinoba revoss (4:28)
> 3. sllina vezom (5:28)
> 4. quidom (3:43)
> 5. aramida (5:53)
> 6. brahggo (3:42)
> 7. cembell rotta (4:48)
> 8. rissenddo rraimb (9:17)
> 9. guoth dahha (9:25)
> 10. pamillazze (1:19)
>
> Tatsuya Yoshida: vocal, drums, keyboards, reeds
> Aki Kubota: vocal, keyboards
> Jin Harada: vocal, electric guitar, acoustic guitar
> Kengo Sakamoto: vocal, bass
You did not warn us that it was the Ruins Ensemble and not Ruins :-).
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:33:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> Never heard about that one. What label?
koenjihyakei KOENJIHYAKE (CD, God Mountain: GMCD 027)
1. grembo zavia (10:14)
2. gaddinoba revoss (4:28)
3. sllina vezom (5:28)
4. quidom (3:43)
5. aramida (5:53)
6. brahggo (3:42)
7. cembell rotta (4:48)
8. rissenddo rraimb (9:17)
9. guoth dahha (9:25)
10. pamillazze (1:19)
Tatsuya Yoshida: vocal, drums, keyboards, reeds
Aki Kubota: vocal, keyboards
Jin Harada: vocal, electric guitar, acoustic guitar
Kengo Sakamoto: vocal, bass
recorded August 1996. released 1997.
Koenjihyakei is the "follow-up"
band/album to 100 Sights Of Koenji.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:48:03 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg
Robert Pleshar wrote:
> >> P.S. after Bacharach and Gainsbourg, who's the next victim in this
> Jewish-outing game? I can hardly wait !
> >
> >Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, Gene Simmons (but all by their
> >original names).
>
> Also, Paul Stanley, that way you could have all of the great Kiss
> tunes
> except "Cold Gin." If anyone says "Beth" is a great Kiss tune, I'll
> slap them.
Hoo-eee, the mind reels. "Great Jewish Music - Stanley Eisen and Chaim
Witz"!!! I'm having a good time coming up with a potential track
listing, though. Marc Ribot y los Cubanos play "Strutter"? Wayne
Horvitz's Pig Pen in "Hotter than Hell" / "Firehouse"? Pain Killer with
special guest Kevin Sharp on "God of Thunder"? Perhaps Cibo Matto in "I
Was Made For Lovin' You"? Anthony Coleman in "Christine Sixteen"? And
certainly David Krakauer's Klezmer Madness in "Rock and Roll All
Nite"... Maybe Sean Lennon could sing "Hard Luck Woman" this time
around. Throw in Mr. Bungle doing "Calling Dr. Love" and we'd have a
winner on our hands.
Okay, this is getting out of hand...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
(who was videotaped in full facepaint and costume lip-syncing "Beth" and
air-drumming "God of Thunder" in sixth grade)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:58:12 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg
Brent Burton wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Robert Pleshar wrote:
>
> > Also, Paul Stanley, that way you could have all of the great Kiss
> tunes
> > except "Cold Gin." If anyone says "Beth" is a great Kiss tune, I'll
> slap them.
>
> "beth" is a great kiss tune.
>
> b
>
> p.s. c'mon, it's the first power-ballad!
No way!!! I loved it back in the day (if you saw the confessional sig
on my previous msg you already know this), but a power ballad? It's a
WUSS ballad, with strings and horns! Just like Alice Cooper's "I Never
Cry" or "Only Women Bleed" (and wasn't Bob Ezrin involved in both of
those songs too?). For a power ballad you have to have the ridiculously
overblown electric guitar chords of the Scorpions's "Still Loving You,"
or Paul Stanley's somewhat later "I Still Love You." On that song you
know he was pulling the hairs out of his chest. On "Beth" Peter just
sounded like he was making weepy excuses to his wife on the phone so she
wouldn't think he was out ballin with the boys all night, probably
originally sung over the pay phone in the bathroom of the tiki lounge he
was at that night (comparing golf tips with Alice).
Okay, now I'm really done.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:58:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Magma
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> You did not warn us that it was the Ruins Ensemble and not Ruins :-).
think of it as a pleasant surprise...
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:48:08 -0400
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: 100 Sights of Koenji
> Koenjihyakei is the "follow-up"
> band/album to 100 Sights Of Koenji.
Does anybody have "100 Sights of Koenji"?
What's it like? There's a store near that has
had it for quite some time. I have considered
getting it many times as I knew some members
of the Ruins were involved, but I never actually
picked it up.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:21:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Johan Uusitalo <es96jouu@dagmar.boden.se>
Subject: Black box?
Does anyone know when the next Naked City "black box" will be released?
J Uusitalo, Sweden
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:12:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Shepherd <rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Black box?
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Johan Uusitalo wrote:
> Does anyone know when the next Naked City "black box" will be released?
>
I guess I didn't think that there was gonna be another Black Box, that
those two particular records were packaged together because of their
brevity, the controversial art, and the fact that both were kinda outta
print. I may be wrong on this one, though. Someone let me know if I am,
please. - Mike
"It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
- Harriet the Spy
*********************************
Mike Shepherd
rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu
Middle Tennessee State University
(615) 898-3652
*********************************
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Dodds <tobe@seanet.com>
Subject: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer
I hope you're not getting this twice....................................
The following are current tour dates for Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash. This
is bound to be a special tour with special guests showing up here and
there.
Recently during a week of shows in Seattle, Zony Mash welcomed
the likes of Bill Frisell, Skerik (Critters Buggin), Eyvind Kang (BFQ),
Robin Holcomb (vocalist on Nashville, among other solo projects), Briggan
Kraus (the immensely talented alto from Pigpen, Babkas and now Sex Mob)
and many others. It was a monumental week of shows, even included a run
through of Torture Garden the classic Naked City document. Wayne of
course
was a integral part of said group, with Frisell, Baron, Frith and Zorn.
OK
enough name dropping.
Basically, since moving out to Seattle 6 years ago Wayne has contributed
deeply to the music scene out here. And he hardly ever tours! So don't
miss out. Zony Mash is his most recent project, and features excellent
work on the B3. Recently Wayne has brought the Moog and the Yamaha DX7
out of the closet and will be touring with them as well. Anyone whose
delved into the depths of Naked City or Pigpen knows that this is great
news
indeed. I've never heard anyone solo on a synthesized keyboard like
Wayne. He treats the instrument like the plastic toy that it is, and the
result is frightening at times. The music of Zony Mash swings between
the avant jazz of Wayne's roots to soulful B3 organ based grooves. Of
course
Zony Mash itself is the name of an old Meters tune.. Good influences indeed.
Thanks for listening and enjoy the shows!
ZONY MASH FALL TOUR 1997
thu 10/16 Portland, OR - Green Onion
sat 10/25 Madison, WI - Univ. of Madison
mon 10/27 Ann Arbor, MI - Gypsy Cafe
tue 10/28 Detroit, MI - Music Menu
thu 10/30 Cleveland , OH - Grog Shop
sat 11/01 Lexington, KY - Lynagh's (90% confirmed)
sun 11/02 Nashville, TN - Tommy Guns
tue 11/04 Atlanta, GA - Red Light Cafe
wed 11/05 Chapel Hill, NC - Local 506
fri 11/07 NY, NY - Knitting Factory
sat 11/08 Amherst, MA - Univ. of MA
tue 11/11 Philadelphia, PA - The Five Spot
fri 11/14 Chicago, IL - The Elbo Room
sat 11/15 Ames, IA - The Maintenance Shop
TAPE OFFER:
If you have any interest in these shows, please e-mail me or visit the
website: www.zonymash.com. Anyone signing the mailing list (to recieve
concert and new release info...you won't be spammed I promise) who
mentions
the MMW list will receive a beautiful live tape of Zony Mash this August
with special guests Briggan Kraus and Mike Stone from Pigpen. The tape
was recorded to DAT with a boom mic on stage. It serves as a nice intro
to the genius of Wayne. If you don't have access to a web browser just
e-mail me.
FINALLY:
Zony Mash is very TAPER FRIENDLY, so don't hesitate to bring your gear.
Just be sure to send the band a copy! Thanks!
Toby
zonymash@zonymash.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Dodds <tobe@seanet.com>
Subject: re: Zony Mash offer
OOOPS
If you read my post I mentioned a tape offer if you mentioned the
Medeski, Martin & Wood list. That is the other list I posted this to.
Please specify the Zorn-list anyway...Cheers,
Toby
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