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zorn-list Digest      Wednesday, October 15 1997      Volume 02 : Number 133



In this issue:

    Re: Kiss?
    Re: Kiss?
    Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer
    Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer
    cds for trade
    Re: 100 Sights of Koenji
    Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer
    KISS my ass
    cynical hysterie whoops
    Stargazer performances
    Tzadik releases
    Re: Tzadik releases
    Re: Tzadik releases
    Zu Casa
    Re: Stargazer performances
    Re: Tzadik releases
    And...
    Chadborne tribute?
    Re: Chadborne tribute?
    Re: Chadborne tribute?
    AMM
    Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer
    Nov. Koch releases.
    Re: Nov. Koch releases.
    Re: AMM

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:17:22 -0700
From: Jason Edward Kocol <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kiss?

> If anyone says  "Beth" is a great Kiss tune, I'll slap them.

     If anyone says ANY Kiss song is great, I'll slap them too.
Heheheh.

- -Jason
http://suburban3.home.ml.org
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:27:06 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kiss?

Jason Edward Kocol wrote:

> > If anyone says  "Beth" is a great Kiss tune, I'll slap them.
>
>      If anyone says ANY Kiss song is great, I'll slap them too.
> Heheheh.

Many Kiss songs are great.  (Many others are not.)  Which cheek do you
prefer?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:54:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer

On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Toby Dodds wrote:

> It was a monumental week of shows, even included a run
> through of Torture Garden the classic Naked City document.

The whole thing?!?! Even "Gob of Spit"?

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:57:33 -0400
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer

>The whole thing?!?! Even "Gob of Spit"?

This is absolutely my favorite Naked City tune on TG/GG!

| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s                university of maryland
http://www.artswire.org/~mrd                          school of music
| S | O | H | C | 4 | # | 3 | 6 | 5 | | | 7 | 9 | C | B | 6 | 5 | 0 |

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:14:12 +0000
From: "Marc A.Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: cds for trade

I have several CDs for trade. I'm not very interested in sale, but could
be convinced if that's what someone wants to do. Here they are:

John Zorn- The Book of Heads
David S. Ware- Cryptology
Medeski, Martin, and Wood- Shack-Man
Tim Berne- Fulton Street Maul
Tim Berne's Caos Totale- Nice View
Henry Kaiser- Re-Marrying for Money (with Bill Frisell and others)
Bootsy Collins/ Zillatron- Lord of the Harvest (with Buckethead,
Laswell, and others)
Heiner Goebbels/ Alfred 23 Harth- Goebbels Heart
Bill Laswell- Divination II
DJ Shadow- Endtroducing...
Melvins- Prick
Godflesh- Slateman/ Wound/ Cold World
Godflesh- Love & Hate in Dub
Autechre- Tri Repetae (double CD, but I'll trade it as 1)

In addition to regular trade, I'll trade 2 or 3-for-1 for new Masada 4,
7, or 8 or Naked City Black Box, for those of you who have easy access
to a good music store. Let me know if you're interested.

Marc A. Foster

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:39:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 100 Sights of Koenji

On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Andy Marks wrote:

> Does anybody have "100 Sights of Koenji"?

both 100 Sights and Koenjihyakei
are Ruins plus members of
Bondage Fruits. as always,
everything is orchestrated by Yoshida.
for 100 Sights, Masuda played
guitar instead of bass.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:37:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer

On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:

> >The whole thing?!?! Even "Gob of Spit"?
>
> This is absolutely my favorite Naked City tune on TG/GG!
>
I am personally of the opinion that Gob of Spit is kinda silly, and might
have been better left unsaid, unplayed, whatever.  But who am I to argue
with the mighty JZ and NC?


        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

*********************************
Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:14:59 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: KISS my ass

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:27:43 -0000
From: Alister Shew <[e-mail]>
Subject: cynical hysterie whoops

In amongst the skithery joy of "Cynical Hysterie Hour", there's a squeaky
sound that comes up quite a lot. Would this be the 'wet-finger whoops'
mentioned on "Book of Heads"? I assume this is done with a wet finger(s)
on the body of the guitar?

Al

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:04:09 -0400
From: "Aaron Hertzmann" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stargazer performances

Stargazer, Dave Douglas' latest is good stuff.  Does anyone know if they plan
any performances to coincide with the album release?

Aaron

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:17:23 UT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tzadik releases

Anyone know what's next for Tzadik?

Is there anyway to find out, besides the little rumors section on the Web?

Thanks,
Peter

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:24:49
From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tzadik releases

At 07:17 PM 10/13/97 UT, [e-mail] wrote:
>Anyone know what's next for Tzadik?
>Is there anyway to find out, besides the little rumors section on the Web?

I don't know if you've been there already but http://www.tzadik.com is the
official web site of the label and they've got a schedule of new releases
up to about december or so.
(I was a bit disappointed to find no mention of the rumored Painkiller
re-issues. Maybe next year?)

best,
Jesse

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:38:03 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tzadik releases

>(I was a bit disappointed to find no mention of the rumored Painkiller
>re-issues. Maybe next year?)

Someone in the chat section of the Dub Terrorist's pages said that
Tzadik would be re-issuing "Guts of a Virgin", "Buried Secrets" and the
3 disc "Execution Ground" later this year. Of course, he didn't say how
he came by this information.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:31:58 -0700
From: Damon Holzborn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zu Casa

Hello Zorn-listers,
I'm an improvisor in the San Diego area who's been lurking on the Zorn-list
for a while and just launched a web site that I thought I'd mention. Zu
Casa has videos, some web trinkets, and over four hours of music performed
by Hans Fjellestad and myself. In the future we'll also be including
collaborations with other artists, writers, and musicians.

We'll be adding a lot more stuff in the next few months so if you hear
anything you like don't forget to send email to [e-mail] and we'll
send you the occasional update.

Point your browsers to:
http://www.zucasa.com

Thanks,

===========================
Damon Holzborn
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

Zu casa es su casa...
http://www.zucasa.com
===========================

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:16:52 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Stargazer performances

Aaron Hertzmann wrote:

> Stargazer, Dave Douglas' latest is good stuff.  Does anyone know if
> they plan
> any performances to coincide with the album release?

There's at least a small tour planned, I know there's a Boston date in
early December.  And for you, Aaron, in particular (judging by the
".nyu." in your address) and other New York Zornlisters in general, look
for a week at the snazzy looking Lincoln Center-area club Iridium in
early December.  See you there...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:30:25 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tzadik releases

Jesse Simon wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >Anyone know what's next for Tzadik?
> >Is there anyway to find out, besides the little rumors section on the
> Web?
>
> I don't know if you've been there already but http://www.tzadik.com is
> the
> official web site of the label and they've got a schedule of new
> releases
> up to about december or so.

Say wha'?  "the little rumors section" to which Peter Risser referred IS
the new release page on the official Tzadik website (produced for
mass-consumption by the goldarned Knitting Factory, dontcha know) and I
don't see anything past the release scheduled for October 21.  Where are
you looking, exactly?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:03:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: And...

Also, "Masada Live In N.Y. 1994"  ENCO600961 10/95?

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:02:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Chadborne tribute?

I may be uninformed.  Have you guys heard of "In Memeory Of Eugene
Chadborne" by John Zorn?  IncusCD23 6/97

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:14:08 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Chadborne tribute?

[e-mail] wrote:

> I may be uninformed.  Have you guys heard of "In Memeory Of Eugene
> Chadborne" by John Zorn?  IncusCD23 6/97

Umm, that would be "In Memory of Nikki Arane" by John Zorn AND Eugene
Chadbourne.

It's exactly what you'd expect it to be.

Best,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:51:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Chadborne tribute?

I saw the title in a German catalogue, and was a little surprised.

On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Steve Smith wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > I may be uninformed.  Have you guys heard of "In Memeory Of Eugene
> > Chadborne" by John Zorn?  IncusCD23 6/97
>
> Umm, that would be "In Memory of Nikki Arane" by John Zorn AND Eugene
> Chadbourne.
>
> It's exactly what you'd expect it to be.
>
> Best,
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:44:52 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: AMM

I would love to hear any AMM reccomendations you all have. I'm just
getting into them. I know there are different lineups. I'm thinking I
want to get either 'The Inexhaustible Document', the Prevost/Rowe duo
'It Had Been An...' or a Prevost/Rowe/Tilbury one (there are multiple).
What do YOU recommend????

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:27:18 -0700
From: "pjm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zony Mash Tour & Tape Offer

just one man's opinion: I think "Gob of Spit" is the greatest closing song
on any LP i've ever heard.



> > >The whole thing?!?! Even "Gob of Spit"?
> >
> > This is absolutely my favorite Naked City tune on TG/GG!
> >
> I am personally of the opinion that Gob of Spit is kinda silly, and might
> have been better left unsaid, unplayed, whatever.  But who am I to argue
> with the mighty JZ and NC?
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:44:10 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Nov. Koch releases.

New Koch book is here!  Here are the goodies we save our nickels for...
KEN BUTLER: VOICES OF ANXIOUS OBJECTS
Tzadik7402 Lunatic Fringe (DDD)
Ken Butler, Stomu Takeishi, Seido Salifoski, Matt Darriau
Tzadik's Lunatic Fringe series continues with the work of manic visual
artist and amster of musical mayhem, Ken Butler.. Performing on hybrid
instruments of his own creation, Ken has been performing everywhere from
the Metropolitan Museum, of art to the Pink Pony bar. ...a delightful
anecdote ro the humdrum sounds of today's popular stylings.  Rubberband
trumpet, double axe cello, hammerbridge violin, gulfclub sitar/tabla,
and a snowshovel are just a few of the instruments you will hear...
Includes a 16 page booklet with notes by the artist and photographs of
the instruments.

SHAKUSHAIN - DESERT IN HAND
Knitting Factory Works 215
One of Japan'e premiere jazz bands, drawing massive crowds at European
festivals, Tokyo concert halls or intimate clubs. Comprised of many of
Japan's most notable musicians, composers, scorers and choreographers.
Kazutoki Umezu is the leader of Shakushain and had a solo release on KFW
called the "first deserter." Umexu is also a frequent collaborator of
Marc Ribot, John  Zorn and Tom Cora (of The Ex).

VARIOUS - DROP ACID...LISTEN TO THIS!!
Knitting Factory Works218
DJ Spooky, DJ Olive, William Hooker, Zony Mash, Umezu , Beatles, A dark
twisted,swirling morass of stylistic excess and atonal minimalism.

DAVID SOLDIER - SMUT
Avant019
Twangy guitars, droning brass and pornographic lyrics.  Dedicated to
Robert Mapplethorpe and David Wojnarowicz, these strange songs, adapted
from homo- and hetero-erotic Latin poetry of the middle ages,create a
medieval surf sound that will make you want to hit the beach with a copy
of Catullus.
    Using children's voices, rappers and city noises, Soldier structures
this work  like opposing mirrors, in a barber shop - imitation upon
imitation.

JOHN ZORN'S COBRA - TOKYO OPERATIONS '94
AVANT049
These recordings from the heart of Tokyo features a new generation of
Japan's most creative traditional musicians prompted by the enthusiastic
master Makigami Koichi.  Japanese instruments mix with guitar, bass,
vocals and percussion ina meeting of east meets west and north and south
and every point on the compass.

Hmm. There's more...I'll post the rest tomorrow.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:00:00 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Nov. Koch releases.

[e-mail] wrote:

> KEN BUTLER: VOICES OF ANXIOUS OBJECTS
> Tzadik7402 Lunatic Fringe (DDD)
> Ken Butler, Stomu Takeishi, Seido Salifoski, Matt Darriau

For those who've visited the Knitting Factory and marveled at the
way-cool "musical instrument" sculptures hanging above the CD case in
the Front Bar, this is your chance to hear them actually being played by
the guy who built them.  Electric pitchfork and any number of other
instruments that look like they could only exist in a Picasso
cubist-period painting.  I confess I haven't actually heard Ken's music
but have heard it described as a sort of Middle Eastern fusion, which
would seem to be borne out by the presence of the fabulous Darriau
(Paradox Trio), Salifoski (Paradox Trio, Brad Shepik and the Commuters)
and Takeishi (Henry Threadgill).(Speaking of the "Lunatic Fringe," I saw
several NEW boxes of Bible Launcher CDs today at the office of the
company that oversees production of Tzadik releases, so I guess it's
time to uncork THAT bottle again...)

> SHAKUSHAIN - DESERT IN HAND
> Knitting Factory Works 215

Dr. Umezu is swell.  Wasn't there a small band release by him this month
on KFW, featuring Ribot and Horvitz among others?

> VARIOUS - DROP ACID...LISTEN TO THIS!!
> Knitting Factory Works218
> DJ Spooky, DJ Olive, William Hooker, Zony Mash, Umezu , Beatles, A
> dark
> twisted,swirling morass of stylistic excess and atonal minimalism.

Stupid title, stupid "concept" -- typical given the source.  The people
who write this copy have no idea what they are talking about musically
or otherwise.  Sorry if I come off as a curmudgeon (and gad I thought
you had to be way older than 31 to qualify as one of those...), but
please save your money for something worthy...

> DAVID SOLDIER - SMUT
> Avant019
> JOHN ZORN'S COBRA - TOKYO OPERATIONS '94
> AVANT049

Nice that Koch is resoliciting the Avant back catalog so that stores who
missed out the first time around can catch up.  Soldier's disc is
interesting... po-mo Carmina Burana?  Tokyo Operations is very cool.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
standard disclaimer - ex-Koch, ex-Knitting Factory

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:31:33 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AMM

tom pratt:
> I would love to hear any AMM reccomendations you all have. I'm just
> getting into them. I know there are different lineups. I'm thinking I
> want to get either 'The Inexhaustible Document', the Prevost/Rowe duo
> 'It Had Been An...' or a Prevost/Rowe/Tilbury one (there are multiple).

the early recordings (AMMusic, The Crypt, CD1 of Laminal) are the
noisiest. It's often hard to figure out how sax, piano, cello, guitar & drums
are producing the sounds you hear. these are highly recommended, but
perhaps the most 'challenging'

the 70s are represented only by 2 cds (It had been an ordinary enough
day..., To Hear and Back Again). these are easily my least favorite AMM
recordings. More in the free jazz terrain, which I don't think is their best
area. Keith Rowe actually plays conventionally on 'It had been...' (ie he
holds the guitar upright & plays notes) Keith Rowe is one of my few guitar
heroes, but this recording is not the reason.

the later stuff with John Tilbury is uniformly excellent. Long, often fairly
quiet very open sounding organically developing improvisations. the level
of detail, and the unusual group dynamic that appears to be based more on
layering sounds together, as opposed to reacting directly to one another,
are simply astonishing at times. I'd recommend 'Generative Themes' or
'The Inexhaustible Document' but they're all really good.

I think that a really good primer for AMM would be the 3CD set Laminal
that has recordings from 69, 82 and 94. The second CD (82) is one of my
favorite later AMM recordings, and the set of 3 nicely represents what
they've been up to all these years.
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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