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zorn-list Digest        Sunday, October 5 1997        Volume 02 : Number 130



In this issue:

    Re: Harry Smith
    Re: Harry Smith
    Re: ....... about Quine
    Re: Game pieces, etc.
    Re: ....... about Quine
    yearbooks
    Re: ....... about Quine
    Re: ....... about Quine
    Re: ....... about Quine
    Re: ....... about Quine
    No New York info
    Re: Harry Smith
    Review: David Shea, Satyricon
    Re: yearbooks
    Frank Lowe Orchestra- Lowe and Behold LPs FS
    Re: Review: David Shea, Satyricon
    Wilner
    Re: Game pieces, etc.
    RQ & SFOTW
    Re: ....... about Quine

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 23:20:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Smith

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Herb Levy wrote:

> The final disc of the set is an expanded CD which, in addition to more than
> 40 minutesd of music, includes QuickTime videos (of performers as well as
> some of Smith's own experimental films), interviews, and lots more on the
> music and Smith, as well.
>
> Herb Levy
> [e-mail]

Um, I don't remember any videos of performers (just of SMith's films and a
clip of him accepting a Grammy and another clip or two of him), which is
kinda disappointing.  It does have audio interviews with some of the
performers (or their wives), but AFAIK, no videos of the performers.

cya
brian

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:50:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Smith

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Herb Levy wrote:

> This collection contains NO music by Zorn, or any other musician usually
> name checked on this list.  & not everyone on this list will find things of
> interest to them in the collection.

However, Frank Cloutier and the Victoria Cafe Orchestra's "Moonshiner's
Dance Part One" is, I swear to God, what Naked City would have sounded
like in 1927.  Every few bars, somebody shouts "1-2-3-4" and the band
changes genres.

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:54:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>     Ayone have any information about Robert Qine, last proyect, new
> proyects?

Earlier this year (I think), a Richard Hell spoken word CD came out which
featured musical accompaniment by Quine.  That's the most recent thing
I've heard about.

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:11:22 -0500
From: Richard Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Game pieces, etc.

Charles Gillett wrote:
 but the games thus far:
>
> 1977 Lacrosse (for between four and seven players)
> 1978 Curling (for four players?)
> 1978 Hockey (for three players)
> 1979 Pool (for four players)
> 1979 Archery (for twelve players)
> 1979 Tennis (for two keyboards or two drummers)
> 1980 Fencing (for three of the same instrument)
> 1980 Jai-Alai (opera) [a game opera? this is from Gagne's list]
> 1981 Croquet (for sixteen players)
> 1981 Go! (a play of roles)
> 1982 Track & Field (for any number of dancers, performance
>      artists, and musicians)
> 1983 Rugby (for five players)
> 1983 Darts (for five dancers and five musicians)
> 1983 Sebastopol (for three trios [rock, classical, and improvising])
> 1984 Cobra (for ten or more players)
> 1985 Xu Feng (for six players)
> 1987 Ruan Lingyu (for three narrators and eight musicians)
> 1987 Hu Die (for two guitars and Chinese narration)
> 1988 Hwang Chin-ee (for two drummers and Korean narration)
> 1988 Que Tran (for two keyboards and Vietnamese narration)
> 1989 Bezique (for nine or more players)

Charles,

        Great job on the list. Brought back some great memories! Here's
another(though I'm not quite sure it Qualifies as a game piece)

1984  "Impressions of Africa" (for trio) (Zorn,David Moss,Mark Miller)

I've got a bunch of handbills and programs from the early-mid 80's,  but
they're in storage, when I get a chance I'll check for any others that I
might have documentation on.

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 01:12:54 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine

Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> >       Ayone have any information about Robert Qine, last proyect,
> new
> > proyects?
>
> Earlier this year (I think), a Richard Hell spoken word CD came out
> which
> featured musical accompaniment by Quine.  That's the most recent thing
>
> I've heard about.

His duo CD with Fred Maher has just been reissued by Virgin.  I had this
disc on order for something like an entire year back in the late '80s -
early '90s (can't remember exactly when it was issued to be honest) and
never got it -- because it went out of print, I later learned.  Can
anyone speak to what this thing is like?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:07:03 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: yearbooks

Does anyone know if those (Y)earbooks are still available anywhere? I seem
to remember someone posting about them a while ago.

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 04:40:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine

In a message dated 97-10-03 15:14:07 EDT, you write:

<< Surely there must be a Robert Quine discog somewhere!
 I for one would love to see one...

 RQ also played and recorded with Lydia Lunch, Lou Reed, Fred Maher,
 lately also on the Corin Curschellas record with Ikue Mori,
 Christian Marclay, Marc Ribot... >>

Also on an Editions EG LP (1984) with Fred Maher.

=dgasque=

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 01:23:39 -0500
From: Richard Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine

>Surely there must be a Robert Quine discog somewhere!
> for one would love to see one...


>RQ also played and recorded with Lydia Lunch, Lou Reed, Fred Maher, >
>lately also on the Corin Curschellas record with Ikue Mori>
>Christian Marclay, Marc Ribot...


He also made  "Escape" with Jody Harris, and a rythym section of Dave
Hofstra and Dennis Charles. A friend of mine, when hearing it for the
first time exclaimed: "Surf's up in Soho!" and thats as good a
description as I could come up with.

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 01:39:58 -0500
From: Richard Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine

Steve Smith wrote:

> His duo CD with Fred Maher has just been reissued by Virgin. .  Can
> anyone speak to what this thing is like?


 It's very much in the Material/Downtown rock sound of the early 80's.
Quine doubles on Bass, and Maher drums acousticly, and with machines.
Not a bad album, but IMO it could have been much better with a real
band. BTW, it's called "Basic" , and it was originally released on
Editions EG in 1984.

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 08:29:19 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine

I may have missed it if this was mentioned, but Quine played with Zorn and
Laswell and Ted Epstein (BIG) on the Rubaiyat (Elektra) recording.  The
Material appearance was first put out on the vinyl _American Songs_.

I thought there was also an instrumental surf LP with Jody Harris that I
once owned, would have come out in the mid-80s.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:42:13 -0600
From: Caleb Deupree <[e-mail]>
Subject: No New York info

>    Anyone have some information of the old "No New York",
>any information?.


Although there was a recent thread on the subject of this album (check the
archives), here's more complete technical info and track listings.  Antilles
release AN 7067, 1978.  Cover design (with Steve Keister), cover photo, and
production by Brian Eno.  Engineers Vishek Woszcyk, Kurt Munkasci, assistant
Roddy Hui.  Recorded at Big Apple Studio, NYC, Spring 1978.

Track listing:

Contortions, featuring James White (sax, vocals), Don Christensen (drums),
Pat Place (slide guitar), Jody Harris (guitar), George Scott III (bass), and
Adele Bertei (acetone organ): Dish it out, Flip your Face, Jaded, I Can't
Stand Myself

Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, featuring Lydia Lunch (guitar, vocal), Gordon
Stevenson (bass), Bradley Field (drum [sic]): Burning Rubber, The Closet,
Red Alert, I Woke Up Dreaming

Mars, featuring Sumner Crane (guitar, vocal), Nancy Arlen (drums), Mark
Cunningham (bass, vocal), and China Burg (guitar, vocal): Helen Fordsdale,
Hairwaves, Tunnel, Puerto Rican Ghost

D.N.A., featuring Robin Crutchfield (organ, vocal), Ikue Ile (drums), and
Arto Lindsay (guitar, vocal): Egomaniac's Kiss, Lionel, Not Moving, Size.

- --
Caleb T. Deupree
[e-mail]
;; For every complex question there is a simple answer.
;; And it is wrong.  (H. L. Mencken)

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:25:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Smith

> > This collection contains NO music by Zorn, or any other musician usually
> > name checked on this list.  & not everyone on this list will find things of
> > interest to them in the collection.
> However, Frank Cloutier and the Victoria Cafe Orchestra's "Moonshiner's
> Dance Part One" is, I swear to God, what Naked City would have sounded
> like in 1927.  Every few bars, somebody shouts "1-2-3-4" and the band
> changes genres.

okay, this is starting to sound really cool...what's the exact info on
this set?   Label, title, places to find it?

- -jascha

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:43:18 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Review: David Shea, Satyricon

There has been some recent activity on the ambient list about David Shea, so
I'm submitting a brief review intended for the zorn list of his recent album
Satyricon.  While there is more ambient content here than on Shea's earlier
work, but there is also some material to which I could not give that
classification.

This new composition represents a very different direction from his other
studio releases.  In keeping with some of his most recent releases, this one
too is based on an ancient novel, but from Rome at the time of Nero (c. 50
CE), together with Fellini's film version.  The album has a very wide
variety of atmospheres and events, but few of the quick jumps which
characterized Shock Corridor and Prisoner.  I recommend it highly if you
liked Tower of Mirrors (which Satyricon now replaces as my candidate for
Shea's best work), or generally a lot of variety while still having a single
unified work.

Each track has a very different sound than the pieces which precede and
follow. After a short opening of low drones with Jim Pugliese on gongs and
Shea playing gong samples, there is a wonderful fast-ish techno piece, which
transforms gradually into solo piano playing similar loops and beats.  I've
never heard Shea play piano before at all, so to hear this kind of
instrumental chops on an acoustic instrument is an unexpected high moment.
Shea mentions in the notes that except for one piece at the end of the album
(a dream sequence), there are no sampled records or CDs, which helps unify
the work.

Then there are two pieces with bowed vibraphone (Pugliese again), a gorgeous
piece with voice (Tiziana Kutic) which wouldn't be too out of place on an
adventurous new age album, and pieces with Erik Friedlander, string quartet,
electronics, traditional northern Italian musicians, and the usual gang of
suspects (Zeena Parkins, Anthony Coleman, etc -- this one gets a little
noisy). I read somewhere recently an unfavorable review of the entire album
that Shea had made with a group of traditional Italian musicians, but here
as one of many colors it works quite well.  The melodies (yes, there are
some) have a Mediterranean quality to them, but the album darkens as it
progresses, with more electronics and harsh sounds.

On now: Maarten Altena, Cities and Streets

- --
Caleb T. Deupree
[e-mail]
;; For every complex question there is a simple answer.
;; And it is wrong.  (H. L. Mencken)

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 11:57:36 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: yearbooks

> Does anyone know if those (Y)earbooks are still available anywhere? I seem
> to remember someone posting about them a while ago.

the (Y)earbook CDs (on Rastascan) are still available. Try the label directly if you
can't find them in stores:

email [e-mail]
web: http://www.rastascan.com

They're all excellent
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:41:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Frank Lowe Orchestra- Lowe and Behold LPs FS

This week, I came across a two copies of this pretty free-wheeling affair,
recorded in 1977 in NYC, on the Musicworks label (cat. #3002).  The LPs are
SS and the covers are in EX condition.  Lots of heavies here:

Frank Lowe- tenor sax, composer, arranger
Joseph Bowie- trombone
Lawrence "Butch" Morris- coronet
Arthur Williams- trumpet
Billy Bang- violin
Polly Bradfield- violin
Eugene Chadborne- guitar
John Lindburg- Bass
Philip Wilson- drums and percussion
John Zorn- alto sax
Peter Kuhn- clarinet and bass clarinet

Side 1-
Heart in Hand or (How Vain I Am) (13:58)
A Hipster's Dream (4:24)

Side 2-
Lowe-commotion (7:58)
Heavy Drama (12:49)

I'm asking $10 plus shipping.

Interested parties may email me privately.

=dgasque=

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:20:57 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Review: David Shea, Satyricon

Great review, I'll have to have another listen to Satyricon.

>...I read somewhere recently an unfavorable review of the entire album
>that Shea had made with a group of traditional Italian musicians, but here
>as one of many colors it works quite well.

But for the record, what is this other album you mention?

Thanks,

Alexander

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:48:45 -0600
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Wilner

I'm catching up on two weeks of zorn digests, and the Monk/Wilner
conversation makes me ask this question. As some of you have alluded, Wilner
is an extraordinary producer, and I try to snatch up everything I can find
that he has a hand in. As you may guess it's harder to find disks by
producer than by artist. Has anyone seen a Wilner discography. If not,
Patrice, are you looking for a serious challenge. I could help with what I
know (which probably doesn'r number much more than about 6 disks). I've been
meaning to write Wilner a fan letter for years now, but have yet to get
around to it. Anyone know how to reach him (other than picking one of the
record labels and hoping they'll forward it on)? Oh well, back to catching up.

yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 19:38:03 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Game pieces, etc.

> Charles Gillett wrote:
>
> > 1983 Sebastopol (for three trios [rock, classical, and improvising])

Not that anyone exactly asked, but a recording of an excerpt of a
performance of "Sebastopol" is currently available on the Einstein
records compilation "A Confederacy of Dances, Vol. 1" featuring Zorn on
reeds, Vicki Bodner, oboe and English horn, Carol Emanuel, harp, Wayne
Horvitz, keyboard, Robert James, tapes and sound effects, Arto Lindsay,
voice and guitar, Christian Marclay, turntables, M.E. Miller, drums,
Ursula Oppens, piano, Robin Holcomb, prompter.

"The premiere performance of one of Zorn's 'game' environment pieces.
This one is for 3 classical musicians, 3 rock musicians and 3
improvisers.  As with the other pieces of this type, musicians use hand
gestures and musical cues to communicate which are controlled by a
'prompter' holding up instruction cards.  A faced-paced virtually
theatrical experience for the audience."

> > 1985 Xu Feng (for six players)

Likewise, there's an excerpt from a performance of "Xu Feng" on the
Rastascan compilation "(Y)earbook, Vol. 2," which features Zorn as
conductor with Myles Boisen, guitar, Gannon Hall, drums, Bob Ostertag,
sampler, David Slusser, sampler, Trey Spruance, guitar, and William
Winant, percussion.

"'Xu Feng' is an improvisational score or 'game piece' written by John
Zorn.  In performance, the musicians can be seen waving their hands like
eager schoolkids to attract the attention of Zorn (the conductor).  Once
chosen, a musician uses hand signals to indicate a particular change in
the current grouping, playing relationships, dynamics, etc. from the
various options described verbally in the score.  Zorn then signals this
change to the ensemble, generally conducting abrupt cues with one or
more hand-held placards.  Most of the cues are heard as splice-like
"cuts" within the piece, and since the musical material is completely
improvised from beginning to end, 'Xu Feng' is full of surprises for
listeners and players alike.  This was the first piece in the first set
of a concert organized with the help of Larry Ochs and the ROVA
Saxophone Quartet."

Speaking of ROVA, anyone who's ever seen them play Steve Adams's piece
"Cage" (inspired by the composer of the same name) will no doubt
recognize similar strategies in action; players encourage or circumvent
different musical activities through the use of handsignals throughout
the piece.

And the new Misha Mengelberg disc on hatOLOGY, "The Root of the
Problem," is described in its notes (by John Corbett) as "Musical chess
master Misha Mengelberg versus four worthy opponents.  A German
trumpeter [Thomas Heberer] and drummer [Achim Kremer], a French tuba
player [Michel Godard], and an American-born, French-resident (since
1972) saxophonist [Steve Potts].... matching wits in duets and trios.
One can sense the Maestro taking on all contestants, approaching the
music as a game of strategy, a set of moves and countermoves.... Chess
is also a suitable metaphor for the Dutchman's approach to instant
composition because it has no final or definitive form, no absolute and
irrefutable game-plan.. Within its rule structures, the game is
improvised."

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:42:24 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RQ & SFOTW

>>RQ also played and recorded with Lydia Lunch, Lou Reed, Fred Maher,
>>lately also on the Corin Curschellas record with Ikue Mori,
>>Christian Marclay, Marc Ribot...
>
>He also did some abrasive stuff with Jim Thirlwell in Scraping Foetus Off
>The Wheel.

Really? Which recordings, if you know?

Todd Bramy
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ....... about Quine

On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Steve Smith wrote:

> His duo CD with Fred Maher has just been reissued by Virgin.  I had this
> disc on order for something like an entire year back in the late '80s -
> early '90s (can't remember exactly when it was issued to be honest) and
> never got it -- because it went out of print, I later learned.  Can
> anyone speak to what this thing is like?

It's been a while since I've listened to this one, but as I recall, it's
similar in feel to Brian Eno's _Music for Films_, but slightly more
energetic: brief snippets of mostly textural ideas, with little attempt at
development.  It's pretty slight, but good fun if you're a fan of these
guys.

Chris Hamilton

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