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zorn-list Digest Tuesday, September 30 1997 Volume 02 : Number 126
In this issue:
Re: Masada Songs
Masada's gigs over the weekend.
cd sale
Masada. . .
Re: Zorn/Previte
Re: Zorn/Previte
Live Videos?
Re: Masada Gig.
Philip Gelb - Purple Wind
Zorn and Hip Hop
Question regarding Film Works
Tears of Ecstacy
Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Melvins Videos
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:35:44 EST
From: gsg@juno.com
Subject: Re: Masada Songs
the tunes were not all composed at once.....
After a gig in NYC I was talking to Zorn and he mentioned that he had
written a few of the tunes they played that night, the night before the gig....this was about a year after the band started.
If anyone on here attended the Month of Zorn gigs at the old
Knit....remember what Micheal Dorf wrote in the program notes about the
first Naked City gigs in 1989 ??
Dorf: "...The first morning Zorn came in at 10am with the rest of the
band and passed out a booklet of his songs he had prepared. By 8pm, the
group had learned 25 songs and played them for a standing-room crowd in
our new space. The next morning, the band came in, John gave them 15
new songs, and by show time they had those down and also played some of
the old material. This went on each day. In five days they had a whole
repertoire and went on a European tour as if they had been together for
years" Pretty wild, huh!?!
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mmottel@aol.com
Subject: Masada's gigs over the weekend.
I went, and it was phenomenal, I loved every minute of it. The crowd was the
biggest I have ever seen at the knit for a show. They were on the floor, I
was right up close, which was very cool. The first night I went on friday,
they played a bunch of songs from the MAsada cd I have #2. Last night, they
played more amazing tunes, Baron's solos were unbelievable, great vibe in
the room even though it was hot as hell. For the last set they played two
encores including a Bacharach tune. AT the end, Zorn was yelling "Masada!!"
and "The Jews", kinda as a closing point to their career. I've got a feeling
though, that they will play again, they're to good not to.
Matt
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:31:55 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: cd sale
Folks,
I have a list of 76 cd's i'm selling. Very few of these relate to the NYC
Downtown scene; however, the list is diverse. Anyone from Jim O' Rourke,
Brotzmann/Laswell, Anthony Coleman,Third Rail, Richard Thompson to Joshua
Redman and Gary Burton. If anyone
is interested please email me privately for details.....thanks
Glenn
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:16:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Shepherd <rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu>
Subject: Masada. . .
I saw Masada in Knoxville about a year ago. I had never even hear them
before, I just knew that Zorn was gonna be there. Well, you can imagine
my pleasant suprise.
Speaking of Knoxville, about a week and a half ago, I saw Elery Eskellin,
Andrea Parkins, and Jim Black at this little dive called Barley and Hopps.
Anyway, they played 2 sets, including about 5 or 6 new, untitled songs.
It was pretty fresh. If you guys have a chance to check them out on this
tour, certainly don't pass it up (although, I think that they are in
Europe right now . . .) - Mike
"It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
- Harriet the Spy
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(615) 898-3652
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:25:56 -0700
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:
> And one excellent recording it is! For a Previte fan, yours truly, it's
> great to hear so much of Bobby. It's surprising that the duo format
> offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical prowess.
> Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely. It's
> not at all a speed race ala Naked City.
>
> Alan
If I may offer a somewhat dissenting opinion...
Though by no means a bad album, it strikes me as something these guys
could essentially toss off ten times a week. The playing is all well and
good, but I've come to expect something of greater conceptual value from
these two; 27 short improvs, a few of them exciting--including the
longest at 3 minutes and some--many of them unexceptional, don't quite
cut it for me. Unlike a lot of Naked City pieces, there didn't seem to
be any particular point in keeping the songs 1-2 minutes; I'd just as
soon hear them stretch out and jam. Much of it reminded me of a lot of
improv going on in the late 70's--a few times it was very reminiscent of
the Braxton/Roach duets but these guys aren't, IMHO, in that league,
yet.
(Admittedly, it may have suffered in comparison to Ground Zero's
'Consume Red', which I purchased and listened to the same evening--what
an amzing work this one is!)
Brian O.
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:43:56 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte
Brian Olewnick wrote:
> ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:
>
> > And one excellent recording it is! For a Previte fan, yours truly,
> it's
> > great to hear so much of Bobby. It's surprising that the duo format
>
> > offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical
> prowess.
> > Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely.
> It's
> > not at all a speed race ala Naked City.
> >
> > Alan
>
> If I may offer a somewhat dissenting opinion...
>
> Though by no means a bad album, it strikes me as something these guys
> could essentially toss off ten times a week. The playing is all well
> and
> good, but I've come to expect something of greater conceptual value
> from
> these two; 27 short improvs, a few of them exciting--including the
> longest at 3 minutes and some--many of them unexceptional, don't quite
>
> cut it for me. Unlike a lot of Naked City pieces, there didn't seem to
>
> be any particular point in keeping the songs 1-2 minutes; I'd just as
> soon hear them stretch out and jam. Much of it reminded me of a lot of
>
> improv going on in the late 70's--a few times it was very reminiscent
> of
> the Braxton/Roach duets but these guys aren't, IMHO, in that league,
> yet.
>
> (Admittedly, it may have suffered in comparison to Ground Zero's
> 'Consume Red', which I purchased and listened to the same
> evening--what
> an amzing work this one is!)
>
> Brian O.
Brian:-
I think the real enjoyment for me is to hear Bobby in this setting.
Never one to take a solo, this is as close as it gets. I'm sure neither
John nor Bobby would place themselves alongside Braxton or Roach, but
who cares. Euclid's Nightmare is fun and enjoyable to me, I'm not
making any comparisons. It does sound very much as though they just sat
down and played, though I'm sure that was probably not the case. These
are two guys who know what they want, and leave little to chance. I had
a sense of wholeness about the work, rendering the length of each cut
rather meaningless. Again, this is all IMHO.
Alan
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:48:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Live Videos?
I would love to aquire any live performance videos of
Naked City, Cobra sessions or any Mike Patton projects.
If anyone has any info regarding such items, or is
interested in swaping bootlegs, ( All I have is an
assortment of Mr.Bungle, Ween and Tom Waits boots)let
me know.
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:21:22 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Masada Gig.
stickman wrote:
> Hey i caught the 11 pm show last night at the Knit. Zorn did announce
> that these were the last Masada shows.
For a while, anyway. He's taking about a year off from the band but
plans to reunite it at least once a year. And once the ten studio
recordings are out, not only is it still rumored that they'll be boxed
into a single set on Tzadik, but also that there are no fewer than ten
live CDs coming after...
> Someone at that point screamed out
> very loudly, "What's next John!!??", to which he had to have heard,
> but
> did not respond.
I've heard that the Larry Young Tribute I mentioned a few days ago will
actually be happening a few different times, so that sounds like a
record in the making. I heard that the first of these shows would be
October 22nd, someone else heard it would be the 23rd, and there's
nothing on the Knit's website yet, so it's anyone's guess right now.
Z's also doing the Company-style free improv thing seems like once a
month. Supposedly wants to take a year off from steady playing to
concentrate on writing.
> The Knit currently only has Masada 1-6 in stock, so my chances of
> scoring
> a copy of Masada 8 were out. I got Masada 7 there a few months
> back...it
> was the display copy from the glass case. They were sold out then
> also.
The Knit no longer enjoys its exclusive (or any) arrangement with DIW.
You can easily find Masada 8 at Downtown Music Gallery for $16 or at the
downtown Tower for $22.
> Also, why does the Knit... [snip]
Oh boy, don't get me started ;-). Maybe next time you should hover just
outside the door and sprint when they open the doors... you won't miss
any exciting new additions to the CD case in the Front Bar anytime soon,
anyway...
On the other hand, twas nice to see that someone at least attempted to
move the camera to let net viewers catch at least a few furtive glimpses
of the band. A small glimmer of soul...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:07:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: DMB5561719@aol.com
Subject: Philip Gelb - Purple Wind
Philip Gelb plays the Knitting Factory sometimes.
Purple Wind
Philip Gelb
Ryokan 1
This improvised music by Philip Gelb and company
is wild. Blending traditional Japanese instruments
with free jazz percussion and electronics seems
so natural. One minute we're treated to a shakuhachi
solo or a duet with a koto and a split second later
we're assaulted by sampler mayhem, then a peaceful
electronic bed, waves of sound while a
flute and variety of percussion color the picture. And
where else can you find someone credited for playing rubble?
I got my copy at Down Music Gallery.
211 E. 5th Street (between 2nd and 3rd ave.)
N.Y., N.Y. 10003
Email: dmg@panix.com
A track and personel listings with other reviews at Juxtaposition Ezine.
http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:07:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew)
Subject: Zorn and Hip Hop
Greetings:
This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would
potentially do with hip hop in his music? I'm curious after hearing faint
samples of Public Enemy in Radio vol.1, and some of the dronier, eerie
aspects of the dub part of Painkiller's execution Ground. I know a lot of
other people like bob Ostertag have sampled Zorn in their music, but I was
specifically wondering what it would be like if Zorn worked in some hip-hop
setting, or if someone like DJ Shadow, the RZA, DJ Q-Bert, or someone
equally intersting in the hip hop world used some of Zorn's sounds in their
mix?? I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know
I'm reaching with this particular inquiry.
Well, tell me what you guys think, Much respect:
Rich Ladew
rladew@hopper.unh.edu
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Question regarding Film Works
- -
>
> > I really enjoyed the last twenty or so tracks on one of
> >the film works CDs( I dont have it handy and cant remember
> >which one.)
> >that JZ composed for the use in commercials around the world.
> >However I was dissapointed that he was unable to publish the
> >company names for which the scores were used. Does anybody
> >have this info?
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Tears of Ecstacy
- --
> > One other thing. Does anyone know where I can
> >obtain a copy of the film "Tears of ecstacy" from the
> >FilmWorks series?
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:09:41 +0200
From: Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
Swiss jazz free improv bunch Koch, Schuetz, Studer, on HARDCORE CHAMBER
MUSIC (1995 -Intakt CD 042(CD), sample very many different people including
Zorn (with the possible exception of W. S. Burroughs)...
It's recorded in NY, and I think makes a remote stab at hiphop...but it
doesn't sound much like hiphop at all. No vocals for instance.
As sampling / improv combinations go, very recommended.
the other ones with Patrice lists are
ANYTHING GOES: Alfred 23 Harth (1986 - Creative Works, CW 1005 (LP))
ATTENTION SPAN: Bob Ostertag (1990 - RecRec Music, ReCDec 33 (CD))
THE YOUNG GODS PLAY KURT WEILL (1991 - Play It Again Sam, BIAS 188-2 (CD))
COMPOSITIONAL COLLAGE: Graeme Kirkland and The Wolves (1993 - Graeme Kirk-
land Music, GKM 3 (CD))
ReR QUARTERLY SELECTIONS VOL. 1: v.a. (1994 - ReR Megacorp, ReR, QCD1 (CD))
So not much hiphop there either.
Is Zorn really interested in hiphop? perhaps just in the heavy metal samples
used...
Stephane
At 19:07 on 29.09.97 -0400, Lich ladew wrote:
>Greetings:
>
>This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would
>potentially do with hip hop in his music? I'm curious after hearing faint
>samples of Public Enemy in Radio vol.1, and some of the dronier, eerie
>aspects of the dub part of Painkiller's execution Ground. I know a lot of
>other people like bob Ostertag have sampled Zorn in their music, but I was
>specifically wondering what it would be like if Zorn worked in some hip-hop
>setting, or if someone like DJ Shadow, the RZA, DJ Q-Bert, or someone
>equally intersting in the hip hop world used some of Zorn's sounds in their
>mix?? I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know
>I'm reaching with this particular inquiry.
>
>
>Well, tell me what you guys think, Much respect:
>
>Rich Ladew
>rladew@hopper.unh.edu
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:49:44 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: tkorpipa@siba.fi
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Rich Ladew wrote:
> This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would
> potentially do with hip hop in his music?
a slight connection would be dj spooky... i don't know whatever he and
zorn have ever colloborated but at least they both have strong
connections to kf. of course spooky operates on a larger area than
'hip-hop' but imo hip-hop is the foundation, at least the technical
foundation (i'll pass the intellectual ramblings about the origin of
cut'n'paste here) of all turtable manipulation.
zorn has worked with christian marclay and david shea - who at least has
stated that he uses the same attitude then scratching for downtown
composers like zorn as he uses on a house/hip-hop gig.
there's was fine article about marclay, shea and some others on keyboard
some years ago... i dig it up and type the irrelevant rap (pun intended,
arf arf) for this this list...
teemu
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:52:53 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
There's also a HipHop-remix of Dracula by MMW (on the Bubble-house remix ep),
on which Zorn plays sax.
Yves
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:21:28 -0400
From: Zachary <zachary@netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop
At 09:09 AM 9/30/97 +0200, Stephane Vuilleumier wrote:
>Swiss jazz free improv bunch Koch, Schuetz, Studer, on HARDCORE CHAMBER
>MUSIC (1995 -Intakt CD 042(CD), sample very many different people including
>Zorn (with the possible exception of W. S. Burroughs)...
>It's recorded in NY, and I think makes a remote stab at hiphop...but it
>doesn't sound much like hiphop at all. No vocals for instance.
>As sampling / improv combinations go, very recommended.
>
>the other ones with Patrice lists are
>
> ANYTHING GOES: Alfred 23 Harth (1986 - Creative Works, CW 1005 (LP))
> ATTENTION SPAN: Bob Ostertag (1990 - RecRec Music, ReCDec 33 (CD))
> THE YOUNG GODS PLAY KURT WEILL (1991 - Play It Again Sam, BIAS 188-2 (CD))
> COMPOSITIONAL COLLAGE: Graeme Kirkland and The Wolves (1993 - Graeme Kirk-
> land Music, GKM 3 (CD))
> ReR QUARTERLY SELECTIONS VOL. 1: v.a. (1994 - ReR Megacorp, ReR, QCD1 (CD))
>
>So not much hiphop there either.
From what I can tell, Emergency Broadcast Network uses a Zorn sax screech
(from Naked City's "Speedball", I think) repeatedly on the song "Electronic
Behavior Control System" from their _Telecommunication Breakdown_ album.
EBN is in that same sample-heavy vein as Meat Beat Manifesto (EBN's album
was produced by Jack Dangers of MBM), and the beats are pretty much hip-hop
in nature. Great sample editing, too.
This is my first post,
- -Zachary
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:13:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Melvins Videos
Does anybody Out there have any Melvins videos?
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