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Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #125
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zorn-list Digest Saturday, September 27 1997 Volume 02 : Number 125
In this issue:
Re: preZorn
Film works question
Re: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP
Re: Lane/Grand Guignol
radio program featuring zorn and others...
Zorn & EyE boxset?
Re: Zorn & EyE boxset?
Re: preZorn
Covers on Naked City
Mason Wendell's other group Sigmoid Flexure and the New York debut
Re: Covers on Naked City
Re: zorn-liVE
Re: zorn-liVE
Re: zorn-liVE
Re: "Carny" in Boston?
Re: preZorn
Masada Gig.
Zorn/Previtte blurb
Masada songs
Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:51:44 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: preZorn
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:32:26 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys?
>
> unfortunately, i don't know much
> about MEV (would like to know
> more!), but i do knwo there is a
> CD from an old performance that
> is available through Anomalous
> and Forced Exposure.
If it is the following:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva
Actuel Volume 35.
1/ Message (M.E.V.)
2/ Cosmic Communion (M.E.V.)
Recorded June 1970
Ivan Coaquette; Patricia Coaquette; Birgit Knabe; Nona Howard (side 2 only);
Stephano Giolitti.
1971 (?) - Byg Record, 529.335 (LP)
1997 - Spalax (France), ??? (CD)
Note: the sleeve is of very strong mystico-Indian inspiration (effect of the
late 60's, I guess :-).
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else.
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Film works question
On one particular JZ filmworks album the last twenty
or so tracks are scores composed for use in commercials
around the globe. I was disappointed that JZ was unable
to list which products used which takes for commercial use.
Does anybody know this info?
_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:07:05 -0500
From: liquidgroove@mindless.com (Glenn Ianaro)
Subject: Re: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP
I have this particular Monk tribute on Cassette, and the Zorn song is on
it. I found it used in the corner bargain bin of a store in Pittsburgh.
Does anyone know if the cassette is the entire recording? Or did they just
omit a different set of songs from the cassette to the CD?
GLENN
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:01:22 -0500
From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Lane/Grand Guignol
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0500 "Marc A. Foster"
<mfoster@datasync.com> writes:
> Anyway, read the article at:
>http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html
>Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to
>me. Can
>anyone confirm this?
>
>Marc Foster
>
Actually, the photograph in question is an entirely different severed
head on a platter than the Grand Guignol cover. No joke.
**************************************************************
" i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead"
"Melville".
**************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:16:16 -0400
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: radio program featuring zorn and others...
For those of you who live in the Buffalo, N.Y. area, there is a new
radio show called Empathatically Difficult: Experimental Composition &
Monumental Improvisation. It aires on WBNY (91.3 FM) the college radio
station for SUNY school Buffalo State College from 6pm - 9pm Wednesdays.
I contribute almost half of what is played on air, the other half is by
Bryan, the DJ/Host of the show. We have played selections from John
Zorn's Naked City (the s/t nonesuch/warner release)and Masada 7 so far
(the show is 2 weeks old) and hopefully plenty more in the future. We've
also played tracks by artists like Derek Bailey, The Ruins and others.
We are open to suggestions and requests by sending e-mail to:
kapbld69@buffalostate.edu
A webpage for the show has playlists, and a Links page set-up so far,
the address: http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kaplbd69/
the playlist with John Zorn tracks:
http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kapbld69/edpl2.html
Also we are open to submissions of any decent
avant/improvised/free-form home or studio recordings which may be
broadcasted on the air. More information can be found at the webpage.
Scott
valksa87@buffalostate.edu
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:26:10 -0400
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: Zorn & EyE boxset?
I heard awhile back about this limited ed. 100 CD box set that was
going to be a collaboration of Yamataka Eye and John Zorn. Supposedly
many of the discs in the set were to only have 1 track lasting only a
few seconds. The idea of such a release boggles my mind.
But recently i've found it out that the concept has never materialized,
i guess there are obvious reasons. Does anyone know anything else about
this?
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn & EyE boxset?
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Valkwitch wrote:
> i guess there are obvious reasons. Does anyone know anything else about
> this?
the label who had planned the
release is no more.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: preZorn
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> If it is the following:
>
> *** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva
>
> You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else.
no, not that one.
the MEV i was referring
to are (from the FE catalog):
Title: ?
Label: IRML
Format: CD
Catalog Number: IRML 02
A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an
improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes.
The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet,
percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon
Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first
easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth
wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel
cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to
say the least.
Title: Live '94
Label: STOMACH ACHE
Format: 7"
Price: $3.25
Catalog Number: SA34
That MEV, as in: Alvin Curran (electronics, piano, tin), Frederic
Rzewski (piano), Richard Teitelbaum (electronics), George Lewis
(trombone, electronics).
in going through my old archives,
i found the following info on MEV:
(for what it's worth)
MEV is an acronym for Musica Elettronica Viva, a group dedicated to live
electronic music and which started about the same time that AMM (in
fact, there is a record on Mainstream with AMM on one side, MEV on the
other). The more constant elements of MEV are the great piano player and
composer Frederic Rzewski, Alvin Curran and Richard Teitelbaum.
Occasionaly, people like Karl Berger, Garrett List, Steve Lacy
collaborated with the group.
The Mainstream label, while Earle Brown was its main A&R guy, put out a
number of interesting avant-garde records, including one called Live
Electronic Music Improvised. One side is MEV, the other side is AMM (the
sides as labelled are reversed, btw). The AMM side consists of randomly
chosen fragments from their great second record The Crypt, interspersed
with random lengths of silence (that's "random" as in "random number
generator"; it's not a value judgement). Cardew was a member of AMM when
The Crypt was recorded.
and this was posted to rmb ages
ago when i still read that froop:
I've been looking for MEV material, too--it's pretty rare. George Lewis
was just a babe-in-arms when they were "together" (you know those 60s
collectives), but the rest of the band included Alvin Curran, Frederic
Rzewski, Alan Bryant & Ivan Vandor, along with Teitelbaum. I haven't
heard much, but the music's in the wonderfully eclectic vein that came
out of that period--part Karlheinz Stockhausen, part Albert Ayler, part
Pink Floyd & part AMM, with whom I believe they shared an album (&
perhaps even Cornelius Cardew?) They had a few albums on BYG
hope this helps.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:35:51 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Covers on Naked City
Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny
Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"?
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:49:49 -0400
From: Mason Wendell <prelapse@tiac.net>
Subject: Mason Wendell's other group Sigmoid Flexure and the New York debut
Hey folks,
I apologise for the generic-ness of this mail but as you may know, nobody
has signed on to any Sigmoid Flexure mailing list because there never has
been one before. If you don't want one of the again just let me know and
you'll never hear from Sigmoid again.
Mon 10/6 9:00 PM - Sigmoid Flexure
Knitting Factory's Alterknit Theater
74 Leonard St, NYC w/ Spooky Actions
Sigmoid Flexure, Mason from Blinder and Prelapse's free improvisation
group, will play the Knitting Factory on Oct 6th. The sound is most quickly
described as Loud Free Improv. If you'd like a more detailed description...
"Mixing equal parts free jazz and punk rock, Sigmoid Flexure finds a home
between the walls of chaotic ambiance, hard-core composition, and spoken
text rivers" I promise a great show. Come on down!
Megan Gass - vocals, effects (from Blinder)
Emily Weber - tenor sax (from Ever Since Day One)
Chris Lavender - vibraphone
Dane Johnson - fretless guitar (from Prelapse)
Mason Wendell - fretless bass (from Blinder and Prelapse)
Rohin Khemani - drums
Hope to see you in NYC!
Mason
Mason Wendell
Blinder- http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/blinder.html
Sigmoid Flexure- Loud Free Improv
Prelapse- the music of Naked City and new music for loud ensemble
Freelance Computer Music Copying
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:16:41
From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Covers on Naked City
At 08:35 PM 9/26/97 +1000, Julian wrote:
>Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny
>Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"?
Both of these are based on the themes from films. I don't know much about I
Want to Live (although I have seen the record once and the cover makes an
appearance in a recent book about album soundtrack covers).
Contempt on the other hand is a great film by Jean Luc Godard from 1963
with Brigitte Bardot, Michel Piccoli and Jack Palance. The music is by
Georges Delerue who scored hundreds of french films in the sixties. Most of
the music in the film is a variation on the central theme which Zorn
distilled in his excellent Naked City recording.
The original soundtrack for Contempt on vinyl is reasonably difficult to
find (it being a french import and all). However Martin Scorsese recently
rereleased Contempt in america and with any luck the soundtrack has been
issued on domestic CD because of this.
Hope this helps,
Jesse
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:07:43 +0000
From: Dan Kuehn <smokey@maui.net>
Subject: Re: zorn-liVE
list-eners
Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show
Friday - just listened to rehearsals 6-7pm iguess - show starts
now - 3pm Maui time 9 in ny - so cool i can hardly standit -
gotta go ....will i get anything thru the dreaded peak hours??
we'll see!
PS ..who's playing (taped) before the show? vibes bass + steel
drum keyboard???
- --
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:08:37 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: zorn-liVE
list-eners
Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show
Friday -
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens
Listening to them live in Ventura CA...pretty amazing...time for an audio
upgrade now that their link is working well...
Sz
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:47:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: zorn-liVE
wow! listening to Masada live right now.
so amazing... <swoon>
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: "Carny" in Boston?
"Carny" was written by Zorn for solo piano. About 12 - 13 minutes long;
completely notated. No, Zorn won't be at the BU performance. I'll be
playing it again in January at Jordan Hall (New England Conservatory in
Boston) and Zorn won't be there, either.
- -- steve
At 09:39 AM 9/25/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
>From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew)
>Subject: "Carny" in Boston?
>
> Could someone give me any more info about the Carny performance at
>BU? Who's performing? What is Carny? Will Zorn be there (doubt it)?
>
>Much respect,
>Rich Ladew
>rladew@hopper.unh.edu
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:13:54 -0400
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: preZorn
>Title: ?
>Label: IRML
>Format: CD
>Catalog Number: IRML 02
>A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an
>improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes.
>The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet,
>percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon
>Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first
>easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth
>wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel
>cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to
>say the least.
This CD is entitled "The Original MEV" and is available from
Forced Exposure & RRR for $12.
- -Patrick
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:13:04 -0700
From: stickman <stickman@warwick.net>
Subject: Masada Gig.
Hey i caught the 11 pm show last night at the Knit. Zorn did announce
that these were the last Masada shows. Someone at that point screamed out
very loudly, "What's next John!!??", to which he had to have heard, but
did not respond. Also it was quite apparent that the shows were being
taped. Joey's solo's seemed shorter than i remember from last year's run,
possibly because they were recording??? Zorn's solos lasted the longest,
and, as with my opinions of the actual CD's, Greg Cohen was barely
audible from where i sat (which was very close) and took only a brief
solo.
The Knit currently only has Masada 1-6 in stock, so my chances of scoring
a copy of Masada 8 were out. I got Masada 7 there a few months back...it
was the display copy from the glass case. They were sold out then also.
What's the deal with that parking lot on the corner of Leonard and
Broadway? We parked there...free...no tickets...it was uncanny.
Also, why does the Knit always tell you that you cant wait in the hall
before the doors open, and then they tell you the doors wont open for 20
min., and after you've crushed yourself into the bar seconds later, they
open the doors immediately and all the people streaming in off the street
get better seats than you do because, you followed their orders. This has
happened to me at least 5 times. And it sucks.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:02:11 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Zorn/Previtte blurb
Here's a little blurb from the latest epulse:
jazz disc of the week:
It may work for game show jingles and campfire songs, but cramming
standard music into one-minute intervals doesn't usually translate into
memorable listening experiences. JOHN ZORN and BOBBY PREVITE's 'EUCLID'S
NIGHTMARE' (Depth of Field, out now) attempts to do just this, however.
'Euclid's' -- the first release for Previte's Depth of Field (what
noteworthy jazz artist doesn't have his own label these days?) -- is
divvied up into 27 unnamed tracks, all of which clock in at roughly a
minute in length (with a few extended two-minute, don't-stop-now
compositions thrown in). And it works. Zorn's sax and Previte's skin work
are incredibly tight, and the tunes range from hastened interplay to
soulful, Masada-esque melodies. It appears the pair kept the tape running
on these sessions; there's occasional between-tune banter and many tracks
blend perfectly into one another stylistically. And to think, in the minute
it took you to read this, you could've been composing ...
copyright (c) 1997 MTS, Inc.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Masada songs
Does anybody know if Masada's repetoire was composed all at once, or if
the later discs actually contain newer material?
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:52:48 +0000
From: Dan Kuehn <smokey@maui.net>
Subject: Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE
Well, folks,
I had to give up before the end of the first set. At first the
digital hiccups were few and far between and kind of interesting
(wonder how zorn would take to this weird
web's-own-improvizing...), but it just kept getting worse;
finally it was so annoying i had to shut down. fun while it
lasted tho.
that 2nd number - some kind of masada-vs-spy, huh? hotcha!
If I may stir up a debate, What happens when we really do have
quality digital live audio feed on the web? Is it the same as
concerts on the radio? "Personal use" tapes OK? Not? Greed
aside, how can i sit out here in the middle of nowhere and not
share this event with my not-online friends? I for one would
gladly fork over cash for a legit 2CD set of these KF Koncerts,
whether i was holding a bootleg or not. I'm just a hungry fan -
i can't help myself - forgive me!
once again let me say tho that the privilege of being able to
listen to rehearsal/soundcheck and even the crowd noise and
background music in the club was a strange reminder that the KF
is a REAL place, like i didn't know it already.
To all you east coast clubhoppers: LUCKY DOGS!
- --
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens
------------------------------
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