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zorn-list Digest     Thursday, September 25 1997     Volume 02 : Number 124



In this issue:

    Re: Leng Tche
    Masada at the Knit.
    Re: Masada at the Knit.
    Re: Masada at the Knit.
    Re: Masada at the Knit.
    Lane/Grand Guignol
    Re: Lane/Grand Guignol
    Zorn on Monk
    Re: Zorn on Monk
    Re: Zorn on Monk
    somewhat off subject...
    Melvins? Patton?
    "Carny" in Boston?
    What Lies in Zorn's Future...
    Re: What Lies in Zorn's Future...
    Painkiller in '98
    Re: Zorn on Monk
    Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP
    Radio Vol. 2??
    Re: Radio Vol. 2??
    Re: Radio Vol. 2??

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:13:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tche

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Caleb Deupree wrote:

> -- I don't know if it is in the black box or not.

Yeah, it is.  All the original art from Leng Tch'e and Torture Garden is
included in Black Box, plus an extra insert explaining the sources and
signifigance behind each piece of art.  All that plus the delightful music
for only $19.99!

It's worth checking out. - Mike

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

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Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
[phone]
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:47:03 -0700
From: stickman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada at the Knit.

To Steve Smith or someone similarly informed:

What are the times for the Masada shows thursday, friday, and saturday?

Will there be tables & chairs, or will it be a standing gig for fans?

Will they perform on the stage, or on the floor(last year they played on
the floor. Best spot: Back table next to joey's drums.)

Also, thanks so much for always giving out the best Zorn info.

regards, Jim

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:37:34 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit.

stickman wrote:

> What are the times for the Masada shows thursday, friday, and
> saturday?

8 and 10 on Thursday, 9 and 11 on Friday and Saturday.

> Will there be tables & chairs, or will it be a standing gig for fans?

My thought is that it will most likely be seated, but without tables
most likely since they expect big crowds as the rumor leaks around town
that these are the last Masada shows in New York or ever (remember,
neither is exactly true).

> Will they perform on the stage, or on the floor(last year they played
> on
> the floor. Best spot: Back table next to joey's drums.)

I think they'll probably be on the floor, as was the case during the
last two runs in which I saw them.  Which means it would really suck if
the Knit decides it's a standing show.

BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when I
"tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed
(pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was
playing).  Anybody encountered anything different?

Thanks for the compliment... I'm really just a fan who's in a great
position to hear things and loves to share them (a.k.a. a goddamn
bigmouth...)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:32:46 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit.

>BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when I
>"tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed
>(pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was
>playing).  Anybody encountered anything different?
>
>>Steve Smith

It was working on all cylinders tonight, for the first time in my household.

Schwitterz
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:52:28 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit.

Steve Smith wrote:

> BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when
> I
> "tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed
> (pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was
> playing).  Anybody encountered anything different?

If I'd kept my mouth shut a little longer I could have answered my own
question, since right now I'm seeing and hearing Ravi Coltrane,
Mixashawn, Pheeroan ak Laff and Rashied Ali tear it up on a late-period
John Coltrane piece in honor of Trane's 71st birthday tonight.

Of course, that still doesn't necessarily bode well for a netcast of
Masada's shows... if they do play on the floor and nobody thinks to move
the camera from its position next to the mixing board, all you'll see is
audience members sitting on the stage.  Stay tuned...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:00:42 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lane/Grand Guignol

2 Questions:

Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie
Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely
reading something about this somewhere.

Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this guy?

Thanks...

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0500
From: "Marc A. Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lane/Grand Guignol

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If you're interested in the Grand Guignol artwork, check out Dr. Stanley Burns
at

http://www2.sva.edu/threads/aaron/burnsarchive/history.html

You may also be interested in Joel-Peter Witkin, who collaborated with Dr.
Burns and has done some amazing (beautiful, anyone?) work himself. Look at
www.twinpalms.com. They publish two of his books and have some of his work on
their site, along with a host of other interesting visual artists.

I'm not sure who the dead man is, but I think the cover photo is credited to
Burns. I need to look at the CD insert. Anyway, read the article at:
http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html
Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to me. Can
anyone confirm this?

Marc Foster

Julian wrote:

> 2 Questions:
>
> Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie
> Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely
> reading something about this somewhere.
>
> Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this guy?
>
> Thanks...



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If you're interested in the Grand Guignol artwork, check out Dr. Stanley
Burns at

<P><A HREF="http://www2.sva.edu/threads/aaron/burnsarchive/history.html">http://www2.sva.edu/threads/aaron/burnsarchive/history.html</A>

<P>You may also be interested in Joel-Peter Witkin, who collaborated with
Dr. Burns and has done some amazing (beautiful, anyone?) work himself.
Look at www.twinpalms.com. They publish two of his books and have some
of his work on their site, along with a host of other interesting visual
artists.

<P>I'm not sure who the dead man is, but I think the cover photo is credited
to Burns. I need to look at the CD insert. Anyway, read the article at:
<A HREF="http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html">http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html</A>
<BR><I>Portrait of a Dead Man</I> sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo
to me. Can anyone confirm this?

<P>Marc Foster

<P>Julian wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>2 Questions:

<P>Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie
<BR>Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely
<BR>reading something about this somewhere.

<P>Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this
guy?

<P>Thanks...</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:38:46 -0500
From: Scott Chamberlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn on Monk

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I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big Gundown" and I was
wondering where I could get the Monk trubute album that it mentioned
Zorn played on.  Is it still in print?, or is it available anywhere?
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:05:49 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk

>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Chamberlin <[e-mail]> writes:

    Scott> I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big
    Scott> Gundown" and I was wondering where I could get the Monk
    Scott> trubute album that it mentioned Zorn played on.  Is it
    Scott> still in print?, or is it available anywhere?  -Scott

It was a two-record set called That's the Way I Feel Now, produced by
(who else?) Hal Willner.  I've never seen it on CD.

- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:13:19 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk

On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:05:49 -0400  Caleb Deupree wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Chamberlin <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>     Scott> I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big
>     Scott> Gundown" and I was wondering where I could get the Monk
>     Scott> trubute album that it mentioned Zorn played on.  Is it
>     Scott> still in print?, or is it available anywhere?  -Scott
>
> It was a two-record set called That's the Way I Feel Now, produced by
> (who else?) Hal Willner.  I've never seen it on CD.

It is even worse than that: the Zorn track is not on the CD reissue !#!$$@$@#%@#%@#

If you want this astonishing version if SHUFFLE BOIL, you will have to track down the
2xLP.

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:57:51 -0700
From: "pjm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: somewhat off subject...

Sorry to drift off topic, but there is a great local trio here called Pacer
that brings to mind Naked City and James Chance, and i've posted a few
samples at: http://www.memes.com/~pjm/pacer.html
    I've seen them live twice and they are wonderfully tight and passionate.
Luke plays sax, Abi plays bass and Trev plays drums and they all sing. More
like James Chance the more i listen....
                        Cheers
                            pjm

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:17:50 -0400
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Melvins? Patton?

I know this is real old; I just found it, so if anybody still cares:

>On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:31:58 +1000, Julian wrote:
>
>When I purchased my copy of "Leng Tch'e" I was told by the sales guy that
>this piece was performed by John Zorn, the Melvins & Mike Patton as
>Naked City. When I questioned him, he was almost violently sure that this
>was fact. Upon repeated listenings, I found that there were some places
>where it sounds like it could quite definitely be Mike Patton. In others,
>it sounded like Yamatsuka Eye. I'm not sure if this is an often asked
>question, but some friends and I were wondering if it is either Patton or
>Eye? Or perhaps both??


I was there, in the studio when the guitar tracks were being laid down for
Leng Tch'e.  Frith and Frisell.

- ---  steve drury

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Rich Ladew)
Subject: "Carny" in Boston?

        Could someone give me any more info about the Carny performance at
BU?  Who's performing?  What is Carny? Will Zorn be there (doubt it)?  Also,
did anyone on the Zorn list in the N.E. area see the info about Dave douglas
in December (Boston) and Bill Frisell in October (Lexington, Mass)?  We
should network at these shows......

Much respect,
Rich Ladew
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:49:48 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: What Lies in Zorn's Future...

... well, who the hell knows?  But here's another nifty curveball from
the master of suspense.  Zorn will be playing the music of legendary
organist Larry Young, the B3 innovator from Tony Williams Lifetime and a
host of other memorable albums, at the Knitting Factory on Wednesday,
October 22.  He'll be joined by Marc Ribot, John Medeski, Kenny Wollesen
and Cyro Baptista.  Sounds like an evening of serious burn to this
youngster who discovered Young far too late.

(Gad, even post partem I seem doomed to always report the news of the
Knit.  I need a shrink...)

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:11:23 -0700
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What Lies in Zorn's Future...

>
>(Gad, even post partem I seem doomed to always report the news of the
>Knit.  I need a shrink...)
>
>Steve Smith

I am indeed a psychologist. Perhaps we can work out a trade.
Therapy for tapes. Hey. I think I'm onto something.

Schwitterz

>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:49:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Landon Thorpe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Painkiller in '98

A few weeks ago, someone asked about the activity of Painkiller in the
future. I just read (on the Dub Terrorist page associated with Hyperreal)
that a new album and some touring are expected in 1998. Can anyone confirm
and does anyone know anything more?

Landon Thorpe

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:06:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk

Hello all...

The Monk tribute album - "That's the Way I Feel Now" was definitely on CD,
because I have one. The catalog number is A&M CD 6600. However, in order to
fit the two LP's onto one CD, a few tracks were left off, and for relevance
to the discussion here, unfortunately one of them was the Zorn track. I do
see this pop up on vinyl occasionally though; if anyone wants me to put them
on my want-list for this item (or anything else for that matter) feel free to
email me. IMHO it is a typically quirky and interesting Wilner project.
Looking forward to hearing from you....

Dale.

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:22:56 -0700
From: Christopher John Moon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP

The Monk tribute album - "That's the Way I Feel Now" is always showing up
around Nashville in stores such as Great Escape and Phonolux.  The fact that
the Zorn track is only available on LP is one of the many reasons I finally
bought a turntable (OK, I know I should own a turntable, but I'm really low
on the $$$).
Anyway, if anyone would like me to keep an eye out for this, I really
wouldn't mind letting you know when one shows up.  Just email me your
request and we'll go from there.

Later,

Christopher Moon

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:24:19 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Radio Vol. 2??

Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help
me with :

I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either
was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it
apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in
an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order
it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The
owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be
slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question
is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me.

Dave Brunelle
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:37:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Radio Vol. 2??

I saw yesterday "Radio Vol.I" listed as an import from Germany on Music
Boulevard online shopping.  Maybe this is what you saw.   It was about 35
dollars.

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, David Brunelle wrote:

> Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help
> me with :
>
> I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either
> was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it
> apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in
> an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order
> it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The
> owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be
> slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question
> is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me.
>
> Dave Brunelle
> [e-mail]
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:38:24 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Radio Vol. 2??

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:24:19 PDT  "David Brunelle" wrote:
>
> Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help
> me with :
>
> I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either
> was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it
      ^^^^^^^^

It was never recorded to my knowledge and I doubt it will ever be (maybe
with the exception of a Naked City reunion in 15 years...).

> apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in
> an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order
> it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The
> owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be
> slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question
> is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me.

All I know about it:

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - RADIO, VOL. 2: Naked City

    19?? - Avant (Japan), Avan 005 (CD)

  Note: not released; in fact it has never been recorded.

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Supposed content of the record:

NAKED CITY'S "COVER" RECORD. An album of JOHN ZORN's eclectic
arrangements of some of the most important, and often overlooked
compositions of the 20th century.
JERRY GOLDSMITH, ORNETTE COLEMAN, BRIAN WILSON, IGOR STRAVINSKY,
DUKE ELLINGTON, TUSHIMA TOSHIAKI, WILLIAM ORBIT, GEORGE
CLINTON, and many more.

    Patrice.

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