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zorn-list Digest      Tuesday, September 23 1997      Volume 02 : Number 123



In this issue:

    Re: Reich recommendations
    Re: PARACHUTE YEARS
    Re: NYPhilharmonic commission
    Re: Leng Tch'e
    reich recommendations
    Reich boxset
    Re: Reich boxset
    cds for sale/trade
    Masada scrores?
    Zorn/Previte
    Re: Zorn/Previte
    parachute question?
    Re: Reich, Partch etc.
    Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...
    description of pattons new disk
    Re: NYPhilharmonic commission
    Re: Zorn's future plans
    Re: reich recommendations
    Re: reich recommendations
    Re: Zorn/Previte
    Re: Zorn/Previte
    Re: parachute question?
    Re: Zorn/Previte
    reich
    Re: Leng Tche

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:55:16 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich recommendations

I like Music for 18 Musicians a lot but my personal favorite is EARLY WORKS
(Nonesuch) which includes his early tape experiments 'Come Out' and 'It's
Gonna Rain' as well as 'Piano Phase.'  This material isn't just historical-
they're amazingly rich experiments.

Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
Warped perspectives on all types of music
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:43:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: PARACHUTE YEARS

I would recommend buying it, to have that alternate version of Lacrosse is
almost worth the price alone!  (Naked City used to play Lacrosse..)
Jody

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:26:17 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission

stephen drury wrote:

> Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York
> Philharmonic.
> (http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org)

That's a very interesting program (for those who didn't want to make the
trip through the NYPhil's website, it's William Schuman's New England
Triptych, Joseph Schwantner's Percussion Concerto, Aaron Copland's
complete Billy the Kid, and the world premiere of a little something
called Orchestra Variations by some guy named Zorn) and I'll be sure to
be there.

But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to
Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and
"Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem"
under him last season.  In that concert they sucked stale bathwater
through their collective backdoor.  I have absolutely nothing against
the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often.  But this was possibly
the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra.  Then
Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor
Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class.  Was it Slatkin
they had a problem with?  Who knows?  Anyway, cross your fingers for our
boy Johnny.

Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast.  Any
idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen?

Best,
Steve Smith
[e-mail]

>
>
> Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny"
> Sept. 28.
> --- steve

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:25:33 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e

John Shiurba wrote:

>>Jesse Simon wrote:

>> There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and
>> it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too:
>> Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if
>> there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to
>> play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it?
>
>there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's
>recorded-- i don't
>know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to
>transcribe,
>as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes
>- --

John's right that there's a score for the piece, but wrong about counting
sustained whole notes (or maybe I'm misunderstanding his phrase).

The piece is less than a full page long (I think it's about five lines or
so).  It'd be more a matter of counting out sub-divisions of a VERY slow
pulse.


Herb Levy
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:56:06 -0400
From: "mcbride/turner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: reich recommendations

i've heard very little, but i'll second the votes for the
kronos/metheny album, 'different trains/electric counterpoint' and also
for 'music for 18 musicians'.  as i recall, electric counterpoint and
music for 18 musicians are very similar in that they use this same
quick-tempo, regular, pulsing crescendos as intros and
part-delineaters, and if the motive material isn't close to identical
then it's treatment is, but the timbral difference is awesome, and i
think these pieces make a fine pair of bookends.

and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an
excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come
out' or 'come out and show them'  ultra repetitive, but if you like it,
you'll love it, if you get my meaning.  (probably means if you dislike
it, you'll hate it.  :))

have fun,
         robert

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:27:32 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reich boxset

Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new
Reich boxset?  Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions?



Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:09:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich boxset

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Lang Thompson wrote:

> Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new
> Reich boxset?  Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions?

Unfortunately, I can't help out much here, but I thought I'd add my almost
meaningless post anyway. :-)  I've only heard/got the DG _Drumming_, etc.
CDs and I haven't listened to that part of the box, but I have to say that
it would've been nice to have the original recordings, just for the
historical sake of it.  I know this is prob'ly impossible, since the box
is done by Nonesuch and they'll use their own recordings over the others.
Sorry I couldn't be of much help....

cya
brian

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 09:44:49 UT
From: "allen huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: cds for sale/trade

greetings fellow zornophiles

here's a quartet of items I have for sale or trade (at bargain rates, info to
follow)
no Zorn content but all artists have been discussed at one point or another on
this list so will (hopefully) be of interest

here we go:


Eyvind Kang "7 NADES" (Tzadik TZ 7013)

Tony Conrad "Slapping Pythagoras" (Table of the Elements 23)
includes Jim O'Rourke, David Grubbs, others

Heiner Goebbels/Alfred 23 Harth "Goebbels Heart" (Eva wwcx2042)
includes Dagmar Krause

various artists "At Close Quarters" (These 7)
live recordings from These Records shop London
includes Steve Beresford, Charles Hayward, David Toop, Nicolas Collins,
Morphogenesis, others


prices are $10 each for any single (or pair) of disc(s)
$25 for any three
$30 for all four
all prices include postage to anywhere in the USofA (outside of USofA trades
are much preferred)

if you have any questions or would like to reserve a disc, PLEASE respond to
me (Allen Huotari) NOT to the zorn-list

you may respond to either of two e-mail addresses:

        [e-mail]
            or
        [e-mail]

that's it, first come, first served
if you are interested in a trade please send your list of items

and beyond this offer, wants lists are welcome at any time


ajh

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:07:32 +0100
From: Robert van Heumen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada scrores?

Hi.

First contact...

I'm planning on starting a band to play Masada pieces; does anyone know if
there are scores available somewhere ?
And.. I'm still looking for people to join... so if you're living in the
Netherlands (or am I the only dutch person on this list??) and playing
drums, bass or saxophone (yes, I'm a trumpet player) or any other
instrument you think could be appropiate for this kind of music,  please
contact me!

By the way, I just bought Douglas' Sanctuary. At first I didn't like it
very much (it's so hectic, even if you are used to Zorn) but after some
more listening, I think it's interesting.... but is it beauty?
It also reminded me of Miles Davis' Bitches Brew and Live Evil, which I
like very much.

Ok that's all.

Robert.


*
information is not knowledge
knowledge is not wisdom
wisdom is not truth
truth is not beauty
beauty is not love
love is not music
music is the best
*

*frank vincent zappa*

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn/Previte

When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?

        -Tom Pratt

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:09:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte

On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:

> When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?

It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a half.

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:51:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: slawlor <[e-mail]>
Subject: parachute question?

Hi there.  I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on?  Can someone
give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but
of the original recordings?  Thanks for the information.

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:22:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (joel lewis)
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc.

i reccomend dg drumming & ecm music for 18 musicians, tho' i suppose that
the 10 cd set of reich would satisfy one for a bit.

two best partch intro have yet to be reissued: world of harry partch &
delsuions of the fury, both on cbs. the latter came with a seperate disk
that featured demonstrations of the individual instruments and partch
talking about his music--set also came w/ a beautiful booklet.

right now-- the cri recordings are essential. keep a look out for the
newband recordings under supervision of dean drummond who played on
partch's cbs recordings -- they plan to record entire partch cannon

joel lewis

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (joel lewis)
Subject: Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...

Re: zorn's future plans.

i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to
indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on
compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule.

joel lewis

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:32:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott T Chamberlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: description of pattons new disk

I was just listening to Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista on my computer, and
my CD player looks up the disk info off of a database, and the disk
came up listing the band as smell, and the title of the disk as
penile goo.  I think that this is a joke, and not a mistake because
the track listing is all correct.  Just thought I'd add this.
- -Scott
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:53:29 -0400
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission

Steve (and Zornlistgang) --

You know, John Cage once publicly referred to the NYPhilharmonic as
"bandits".  Overpaid bandits, I might add.  Well, one can always hope; see
you there.

At 12:26 AM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to
>Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and
>"Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem"
>under him last season.  In that concert they sucked stale bathwater
>through their collective backdoor.  I have absolutely nothing against
>the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often.  But this was possibly
>the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra.  Then
>Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor
>Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class.  Was it Slatkin
>they had a problem with?  Who knows?  Anyway, cross your fingers for our
>boy Johnny.
>
>Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast.  Any
>idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen?
>
Zorn's concerto still has a few segments that need to be dropped in (like
the boy's choir), so who knows.

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's future plans

On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, joel lewis wrote:

> i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to
> indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on
> compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule.

Well, that's good.  He's been kind of slack about putting out new material
recently. 8^)

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:33:20 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: reich recommendations

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote:

> and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an
> excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come
> out' or 'come out and show them'  ultra repetitive, but if you like it,
> you'll love it, if you get my meaning.  (probably means if you dislike
> it, you'll hate it.  :))

it's early works by electra/nonesuch. also has piano phase, clapping
music and the other superb tape work it's gonna rain.


 teemu

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:54:37 -0700
From: "Marlene McMullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: reich recommendations

>On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote:
>
>> and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an
>> excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come
>> out' or 'come out and show them'  ultra repetitive, but if you like it,

Captain Beefheart uses the phrase 'Come out to show dem' on the tune
"Moonlight On Vermont" which was recorded after Reich's piece...always
wondered if there was a conscious connection. Also, on the "Bruise Blood
Re-Mix" of Tortoise's "DJED," U.N.K.L.E. makes heavy use of samples of
Reich's piece.

Sz

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:57:38 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte

Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?
>
> It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a
> half.
>
> Chris Hamilton

It was officially released last Tuesday.  It should be in the same
stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch.  If
not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and foreign
mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site
(http://members.aol.com/DOField).

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:16:10 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte

On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400 Tom Pratt <[e-mail]> writes:
>When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?
>
>        -Tom Pratt
>
>

It's been out for a few days here.  Quite the excellent album, in my
opinion.

**************************************************************
" i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead"
"Melville".
**************************************************************

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:54:06 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: parachute question?

slawlor wrote:
>
> Hi there.  I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on?  Can someone
> give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but
> of the original recordings?  Thanks for the information.

Parachute was a label started by Eugene Chadbourne, the releases of this
label include:
Zorn/Chadbourne- School
Zorn/Chadbourne- 2000 Statues/the English Channel
Zorn- Archery
Zorn- Pool
and also records by Eugene Chadbourne, Henry Kaiser, Lesli Dalaba, Polly
Bradfield and surely I've forgotten one or two.
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:03:13 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte

Steve Smith wrote:

> Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:
> >
> > > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released?
> >
> > It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a
> > half.
> >
> > Chris Hamilton
>
> It was officially released last Tuesday.  It should be in the same
> stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch.  If
>
> not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and
> foreign
> mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site
> (http://members.aol.com/DOField).
>
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]

And one excellent recording it is!  For a Previte fan, yours truly, it's
great to hear so much of Bobby.  It's surprising that the duo format
offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical prowess.
Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely.  It's
not at all a speed race ala Naked City.

Alan

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:29:45 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: reich

I'm not sure how the Reich got started on this list, but IMHO "The Cave"
is worth a listen.  Now it's not something I'm going to sit down with
every day, but I think it was overlooked by critics and fans alike.
Perhaps it's impact is lessened due to length or the fact that it was
originally presented in a visual format, but nevertheless I think it has
many merits.  Takes some concentration and you've got to have the
libretto in front of you, but it's worth the trip.

Alan E Kayser

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:16:14 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Leng Tche

    >>  Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to
    >> mean...?

    > 100 pieces. It was a torture method.

On April 10, 1905, Louis Carpeaux, a western photographer, and
possibly Georges Dumas, an early psychologist, were present at the
execution of Fou Tchou Li, guilty of murder of a prince.  Because of
the merciful benevolence (!) of the emporer, he was not burned as he
had been sentenced, but cut into 100 pieces while still alive (and
given massive doses of opium to prolong the agony).

Carpeaux brought back photos of the execution, one of which was
published by Dumas in his 1923 Treatise of Psychology.  One is also
incorporated into the cover art of the original edition of Leng Tche
- -- I don't know if it is in the black box or not.  A number of artists
have been fascinated by the photos, not only for the sheer grisliness,
but because of the expression on the victim's face, which has been
interpreted as being one of ecstasy and joy.

- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management

For every complex question there is a simple answer, and it is wrong.
(H. L. Mencken)

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