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zorn-list Digest      Friday, September 19 1997      Volume 02 : Number 122



In this issue:

    Parachute Years Box
    Masada dead?  Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news)
    Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...
    Painkiller (was Re: Masada dead?)
    FUNNY GAMES OST
    knitting factory tonight
    Skate Key
    Re: Skate Key
    Re: Parachute Years Box
    Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
    Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
    Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
    Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
    PARACHUTE YEARS
    Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...
    Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp
    Re: Masada dead?  Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news)
    Re: Reich, Partch etc.
    Re: Leng Tch'e
    Re: Leng Tch'e
    Paging Tom Pratt
    NYPhilharmonic commission

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:44:15 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Parachute Years Box

A while back I offered to get some of these for people on the Zorn-list
because I work at a record distributor.  Several people were
interested.   Well, I got them in, we have about 10 left at work, and if
anyone is still interested in buying one of these from me, I would still
be happy to send them out.

Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it  has a
list of $99.98.  Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that
takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt.   Postage is $3 (they ARE
heavy though), so the total is $84.

If your store didn't get it, or it costs too much there; drop me a line.

About the box:
- -The packaging IS very nice;  lots of notes to read while listening.
One thing struck me as odd;  Zorn's picture on the front of the set.
Other than the Early Years; it seems rather out of character for him to
put himself on itso literally.  Not that he seems like a modest man
though...  Inside there ARE admittedly many photos of the players; but
this was  late 70s, and MOST people looked REALLY ugly then.  The
personal photos, all candid, contrast poorly with the gorgeous (game of)
pool pictures in the set, and the individual cover art, though it is a
bit small to see clearly.

The notes in Hockey are very short and simple.  In Archery, expanded to
3 CDs  (one of rehersals) the notes are very extensive;  both technical
and anecdotal.   I hate to spend so much time raving about the design of
the thing, but the music is going to take many weeks for me to digest
(and will have to compete with new Cornershop and Southern Culture on
the Skids).  And I've never seen a label care so much about design as
Tzadik.  So far, I must admit that I genuinely like what I've heard more
than I thought I would.
- -Mark.

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:17:22 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada dead?  Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news)

Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty
bound to provide an update:

Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end,
and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last.

He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing
the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to
play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their
collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together
lately as they're all so busy.  Regarding the Knit shows, he said it
would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price
they get there is not the price they envision for the future.  But yes,
the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably
mostly at festivals and so on.

And of course Tzadik has promised live material from Cafe Mogador (a
tiny Morrocan restaurant in the East Village where they workshopped the
material every Monday night for a few months at the very beginning, the
crowd spilling out onto the sidewalk and pressed up close to the band, a
very charged atmosphere) and Jerusalem, so the flow of Masada on disc is
in no danger of drying up soon.  And that's not to mention all the tapes
out there being traded...

Dave also mentioned he had just recorded with (if memory serves) Guy
Klucevsek, Mark Feldman and Erik Friedlander for Winter and Winter
(which he says is right on the verge of having an American distribution
deal) and with Chris Potter, James Genus and Ben Perowsky (his
straightahead jazz quartet) for Arabesque.  This in addition to the
recently released "Sanctuary" and the soon-to-be released Wayne Shorter
tribute with his sextet for Arabeque.  And in December he'll take that
latter sextet uptown for a week at the toney Iridium club in New York.
Busy as ever...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:38:54 -0400
From: "Andy Marks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...

> Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end,
> and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last.
>
> He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing
> the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to
> play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their
> collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together
> lately as they're all so busy.

Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next
"major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down?

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:43:11 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Painkiller (was Re: Masada dead?)

So does anyone know if Painkiller will play again?  Bill's response on this
is that it is up to John Zorn.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:18:43 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: FUNNY GAMES OST

i was told that there are two songs of NAKED CITY in the movie FUNNY
GAMES which is in cinemas in europe at the moment.......
anyone know which songs they are??

BJOERN

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ethan <[e-mail]>
Subject: knitting factory tonight

KISMET, a ragged group of improvisors from Chapel Hill, North Carolina, is
performing tonight at the Alterknit Theater at the Knitting Factory (11pm;
$6).  Appearing with Kismet will be Michael Lytle (of Dr. Nerve) and Ed
Chang.  Kismet has a CD out on Daisy Lane Records; you can listen to it
with Realaudio at http://www.webslingerz.com/daisylane

Here's a review of the CD that will appear in issue # 30 of
IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION:

kismet:  CURIOUS YELLOW - Now, here's some refreshing improv! Yah, I know
FZ said jazz wasn't dead & that it "smelled funny"... well, this stuff
SOUNDS >funny...  movement in perpetua, no long segues or horrendous
stretches of >"nothingness" to bore ya' to tears.  Clearly improvised, but
it >sounds like something you'd expect to hear on yer' first voyage to
Jupiter.  >Real feel of "looseness" in th' playing that makes a surely
"sweet"  >impression on this reviewer's aural appendages.  If yer' lookin'
for >somethin' jazzy, new & (quite) hard to define - GET THIS!  >Dick
Metcalf, aka Rotcod Zzaj >Editor, IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION 'zine &
>Perpetrator, Zzaj Productions tapes >http://www.olywa.net/rotcod

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:23:54 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Skate Key

Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune...

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:59:32 -0700
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Key

Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune...
>
>                         -Tom Pratt
Sure, cut 17 on 'Radio'

Brian O.

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:47:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Parachute Years Box

On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it  has a
> list of $99.98.  Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that
> takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt.   Postage is $3 (they ARE
> heavy though), so the total is $84.

Hrmmm.  My retailer charged me $79 plus tax.  Does he just like me a lot
or what?  (Mind you, that still worked out to slightly more than the total
cost of Mark's offer.  Just curious, that's all.)

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:57:16 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp

I've been listening to plenty of Ives, Bartok and Penderecki as of late
and want to take it a step further. I want to hear the
always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some
STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have
heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by
each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite
albums by Partch and Reich??????

I haven't seen much talk on Duras:Duchamp which I find very excellent
and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's
name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that...

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp

> always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some
> STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have
> heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by
> each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite
> albums by Partch and Reich??????

Tom - one of my favorite Reich recordings is the work he did with the Kronos
quartet and Pat Metheney: two pieces on an Elektra/Nonesuch CD called
"Different Trains" and "Electric Counterpoint".

> and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's
> name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that...

Is John Medesky of Polish descent?

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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:35:37 -0700
From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp

Tom Pratt wrote:

>  Tell me: what are your favorite
> albums by Partch and Reich??????

Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the
version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC
FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM

Harry Partch:  My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the
recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place
to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his
own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow
and US Highball...

Tied with Sun Ra for my all time favorite live music experiences was seeing
Barstow and Delusion of the Fury performed by Partch's ensemble on his
instruments [how else?] in San Diego many years ago...seeing Reich perform
DRUMMING in its entirety at LA's Dorothy Chandler Pavilion ranks up there as
well...

Schwitterz

>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:52:06 -0700
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp

Schwitterz wrote:
>
> Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> >  Tell me: what are your favorite
> > albums by Partch and Reich??????
>
> Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the
> version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC
> FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM
>

Agreed, as to 'Drumming' (on DG) being the essential one. I'd also
highly recommend 'Early Works', 'Sextet', and 'Octet/Violin Phase'.

> Harry Partch:  My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the
> recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place
> to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his
> own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow
> and US Highball...

Agreed once again, 'Delusion' easily makes my desert island list and is
most fondly awaited on disc. You might also try CRI's 'The Music of
Harry Partch' which contains several essential pieces including 'The
Letter' and 'On the Seventh Day Petals Fell on Petaluma'.

As to 'Duras:Duchamp', I think the former piece is possibly the best
work yet from JZ in his 'classical' mode, reminding me strongly of both
Messaien and Bryar's relatively unknown 'Hommages' (Disques du
Crepuscule). I enjoy the Duchamp thing also, though it did send both my
wife and dog fleeing from the room...

Brian O.

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:24:10 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: PARACHUTE YEARS

well i just have a simple question..please answer privatly......
i really love most of the stuff zorn has done but i am not too sure about
the parachute thing....i mean here in germany it costs more than 100 $
and i am not THAT rich.......
well i love Naked City and most of the Nonsuch stuff i also loved Cynical
Hysterie a lot and maybe stuff like Elegy.......
i am not too much into Masada and Painkiller......Locus Solus took me a
hell lot of time to get into and i still do not know if i like it or
not......
well any guesses if i should buy the Parachute thing (and dont tell me
about its great design and linernotes etc...i saw it in the store
yesterday and it is amazing.....)

BJOERN

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:20:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada dead?  Not quite...

In a message dated 97-09-18 12:46:38 EDT, you write:

>
>  Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next
>  "major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down?

More free imrpov stuff, ala recent concerts at the Knit, the Zorn / Previte
disc, etc.
Jody

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:10:28 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp

Tehillim (sp?)
Is an excellent Steve Reich Peice.


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" i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead"
"Melville".
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:41:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada dead?  Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news)

On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Steve Smith wrote:

> Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty
> bound to provide an update:
>
> Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end,
> and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last.
>
> He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing
> the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to
> play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their
> collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together
> lately as they're all so busy.  Regarding the Knit shows, he said it
> would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price
> they get there is not the price they envision for the future.  But yes,
> the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably
> mostly at festivals and so on.
>

Of course, I suppose there's always the possibility that Zorn could keep
Masada active with some less pricey sidemen, I've always thought it was a
real shame that none of the other incarnations of the Masada project got
documented.  In fact, I'll admit to it here in this public forum, but I've
always thought that the long ago forgotten "West Coast" group (Zorn, Ben
Goldberg - clarinet, Trevor Dunn - bass, Kenny Wollesen - drums) pretty
much kicked ass all over the main ensemble.  Everyone was just so manic
and over the top, it was really incredible.  The Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Martin
band wasn't too shabby either.

Of course, like a lot of other folks, I'm also looking forward to see if
we can expect another brand spankin' new "working band" from Mr. Z as
Masada sort of comes to a close.  So I think either way here we win...

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:19:54
From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc.

As far as programmatic music is concerned, Steve Reich's The Desert Music
can't be beat. It's an album length five movement piece with text by
William Carlos Williams. The third movement is astounding. My favorite
piece however is probably Violin Phase which features a soloist playing
against pretaped versions of himself. It's available on an ECM record with
(I believe) Octet.

It's all good though

Jesse

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:24:17
From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e

There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and
it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too:
Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if
there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to
play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it?

Thanks for your answers,

Jesse

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:51:13 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e

> There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and
> it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too:
> Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if
> there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to
> play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it?

there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's recorded-- i don't
know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to transcribe,
as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:07:44 -0700
From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Paging Tom Pratt

I do hope you'll let us know which Reich/Partch you procured and what
you thought of it/them.

Schwitterz

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:26:33 -0400
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: NYPhilharmonic commission

Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York Philharmonic.
(http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org)

Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny" Sept. 28.
- --- steve

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