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zorn-list Digest     Wednesday, September 17 1997     Volume 02 : Number 121



In this issue:

    Re: Melvins backwards record
    Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach
    Gino Robair in Europe
    melvins
    Re: Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach
    Jon Rose
    Re: Jon Rose
    Melvins backwards solved
    Re: Jon Rose
    Re: Jon Rose
    KF Live
    Tim Berne/Screwgun Mailing List
    Re: Jon Rose
    Re: Jon Rose
    Parachute Years
    Re: Parachute Years
    Re: offtopic
    Leng Tche
    Masada break-up?
    [none]
    Re: Masada break-up?
    Re: Leng Tche
    New Avant and Tzadik releases

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:25:53 -0500
From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record

ahhhh, yes...forgot about that one...i'm sure that's what he's thinking of.

clockwise



At 09:17 PM 9/14/97 -0700, pjm wrote:
>To Go even further afield: Mudhoney's " My Brother the Cow" CD ends with
>the entire CD recorded backwards. Its actually almost BETTER this way :}
>
>----------
>> From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
>> Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:25 PM
>>
>> That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and
>collect
>> their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember
>> hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic
>> Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and
>> backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this.
>>
>> At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote:
>> >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
>> >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any
>mention
>> >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find.  Was this a
>> >hallucination or was it some other band?
>> >Lang Thompson
>> >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:38:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach

Copies of the Serge Gainsbourg CD were on sale tonight at the "Back to
Bacharach" gig.

I got one, but haven't had a chance to digest.

The gig was great -- highlights for me were the sets by Barondown & Marc
Ribot's band, featuring Eszter Balint on vocals, J.D. Foster on bass, and
Roberto Rodriguez on drums.

Does anybody else from this list go to these gigs in NYC?  Awfully quiet if
so!

PWK

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:12:12 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gino Robair in Europe

just would like to announce the following tourdates of gino robair in
europe......they can also be found on the rastascan homepage........

oct. 2 Amsterdam   , Gran Silo
oct. 5 Muenster, germany     , Cuba
oct. 7 Zurich, switzerland     , WIM
oct. 8 Tuebingen, Germany , Club Voltaire

the club voltaire gig in tuebingen is with Forbidden Planet...
i just mention that because i am part of this project :).......

so if anyone is near any of these places in early october....its worth
seeing

BJOERN

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:03:47 PDT
From: "Joseph Buck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: melvins

i had asked my co-worker and melvins maven if he knew of this and he
said he had never heard of any.....
he also added this about the bass players-
"I hate to nit-pick (not true! I love it...) but Lori Black first
appeared on Ozma. Matt Lukin was still in the band for Gluey Porch."

salam,

buck

>
>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:28:35 -0400
>From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Melvins backwards record
>
>I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
>featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any
mention
>of this in the three discographies I've been able to find.  Was this a
>hallucination or was it some other band?
>Lang Thompson
>http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm


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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:05:02 -0700
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Copies of the Serge Gainsbourg CD were on sale tonight at the "Back to
> Bacharach" gig.
>
> I got one, but haven't had a chance to digest.
>
> The gig was great -- highlights for me were the sets by Barondown & Marc
> Ribot's band, featuring Eszter Balint on vocals, J.D. Foster on bass, and
> Roberto Rodriguez on drums.
>
> Does anybody else from this list go to these gigs in NYC?  Awfully quiet if
> so!
>
> PWK

Yep, I was there, and I'll even give a brief review (this is my first
post to this group--hello all)

Briefly, I though the concert was excellent, with some incredible
performances. Highlights, for me were:

1) Chimera--Much inspired playing from all involved. I especially
enjoyed the arrangement of 'The Look of Love' with D'Angelo's gulping
melodic line on bass clarinet.

2) The Douglas/Melford (on harmonium)/Badal Roy Trio. My first
impression was of an updated version of the wonderful Desert Band from
Escalator. Later, it seemed to me that Douglas was structuring the
pieces very much like a traditional Indian ensemble, with Melford in the
tamboura role and himself as sitarist. A lot of his lines struck me as
raga-influenced, which made the occasional emergence of bits of
Bacharach all the more delightful. A great little band.

3) Klucevsek--I can't say enough about him (I think he's one of the
finest musicians on the planet), but the final number, a medley of 'One
Less Bell to Answer' (played way up high, in the manner of his 'Skating
on Thin Air') and 'Wives and Lovers' (if he interpolated 'Raindrops'
here, as the program stated, I couldn't hear it) was one of the single
most beautiful performances I've heard in years.

4) Joey Baron--Anyone who scoffs at the notion of serious jazz
extensions of BB's tunes, should've heard them. Just incredible,
penetrating into Coltrane/Ali territory. The best I've ever heard Ellery
Eskelin play.

Other things were more or less successful; I though McAuliffe's band was
a bit blah (and found singer Kitty Brazilton very aggravating). Ribot's
band, admittedly doing some pretty banal songs, sounded kinda ragged,
with the exception of MR's wonderful playing. Anthony Coleman was fun
(gotta love a barroom blues version of 'Casino Royale'!) as were
Medeski, Martin and Wood.

Hopefully, this was recorded; there was a lot more music packed in there
than appeared on the original disc, and no klunkers (like, imho, the
Lennon/Honda and Kang pieces).

Great show; thank you Mr. Zorn.

PS. Picked up the Gainsbourg CD; sounds nice and varied on first listen.

Brian O.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:12:19 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jon Rose

How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:27:28 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose

Tom Pratt wrote:

> How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
> mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
>
> insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
> understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???

"Violin Music for Restaurants," especially Derek Bailey's bit.  I'm
always a sucker for things with Derek talking while he plays... what a
droll English delivery he's got.  Rose ain't too shabby either.  A great
disc IMHO.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


>
>
>                         -Tom Pratt

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:48:43 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Melvins backwards solved

As one recipient (whose name i unfortunately don't remember) reminded me,
the album Prick is actually credited to Snivlem, apparently for contractual
reasons.  None of the music is backwards but this is what i half-remembered.
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:16:31 -0700
From: Michael Howes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose

>> How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
>> mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
>>
>> insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
>> understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???
>
>"Violin Music for Restaurants," especially Derek Bailey's bit.  I'm
>always a sucker for things with Derek talking while he plays... what a
>droll English delivery he's got.  Rose ain't too shabby either.  A great
>disc IMHO.
>

 I'll second this!
I am also enjoying one of Rose's new albums a LOT, "://Shopping Live@Victo"
. It is also a "concept" record and is often just out-and-out hilarious.
I'm not familiar with Lauren Newton or Joelle Leandre who are mostly just
voices but Yoshihide, Cutler, and Lee Pui Ming are in top form on this
record. All of it is about shopping and/or department stores and often
includes noises to go along with what is possible to purchase on each floor.
 mike
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:46:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose

> How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
> mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
> insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
> understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???

Perhaps because it's a list for John Zorn, not Jon Rose? Has Rose been
released on Tzadik, perchance?

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:22:02 -0700
From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: KF Live

Is the Knitting Factory's nightly cybercast still down, or do I need to
reconfigure my Streamworks?

Sz

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:44:50 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tim Berne/Screwgun Mailing List

I'm starting a mailing list for Tim Berne and Screwgun -- e-mail and
snail mail.  That's where we'll send out information about gigs, tours,
new releases and whatnot.  If you're interested, please send me your
addresses and I'll get you set up.  If you've ever ordered anything from
Screwgun you're most likely already on the list, but send your
information anyway just to be certain.  We're about to do our first
mailing regarding the three new Screwgun releases for October, as well
as a mini-tour of the Southwest by Berne and Formanek in early October.
Get on board!

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:23:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:

> > How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being
> > mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This
> > insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an
> > understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums???
>
> Perhaps because it's a list for John Zorn, not Jon Rose? Has Rose been
> released on Tzadik, perchance?

Last I remember, the charter for this list was inclusive of related
musicians, not Zorn and Zorn only.  Although depending on how far removed
we let the associations be, it could possibly include every musician ever.
:-)

cya
brian

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:22:21 -0700
From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jon Rose

Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:

> Last I remember, the charter for this list was inclusive of related
> musicians, not Zorn and Zorn only.  Although depending on how far removed
> we let the associations be, it could possibly include every musician ever.

Can you imagine Zorn calling a discussion of ANY music "off-topic?"

Me either.

Schwitterz

> :-)
>
> cya
> brian

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:18:28 -0500
From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Parachute Years

I am a buyer for a pretty small cd store, and I saw in an update from our
supplier that there is a 7-disc box set coming from Mr. Zorn, on Tzadik,
entitled 'The Parachute Years'. I have quite a bit of his stuff already,
and for the money I'll be spending, I really don't want to find out I've
just duplicated part of my collection. Since the idiots at the warehouse
obviously don't know anything about it, I was wondering if anyone here
could shed some light on it's contents.

clockwise

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:16:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Parachute Years

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, clockwise wrote:

> Since the idiots at the warehouse
> obviously don't know anything about it, I was wondering if anyone here
> could shed some light on it's contents.

It contains the complete contents of _Pool_ and _Archery_ plus the
Zorn-composed half of the Chadbourne/Zorn _School_ plus alternate versions
of the four compositions from the above.

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: offtopic

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Schwitterz wrote:

> Can you imagine Zorn calling a discussion of ANY music "off-topic?"

Fortunately, it's not his list, because I really don't want to read about
Pearl Jam here.  (I'd think Jon Rose is at least as on-topic as the
Melvins, who, to my mind, are probably the limit of on-topicness for this
list.  Not that it's up to me.)

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:48:18 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Leng Tche

Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to mean...?

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:13:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Masada break-up?

Is the rumor about Masada soon disbanding true?  I heard the group will
make 10 records and break up.

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:21:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

Hi all,

For anybody in the Chicago area, there is some exciting music happening in
the next month or two. The wonderful Unity Temple series in Oak Park has
its preliminary listings up for the fall, and it sounds great. The reason
I'm posting on this list is because Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio is
playing on November 7 (I believe this is the date). But there's lots more.
Mats Gustafsson/Peter Brotzmann tomorrow night; Sam Rivers on 10/3; Steve
Lacy solo on 11/5; ROVA on 11/6; and Joe Morris on 11/13.
Address and related links can be accessed through the "local programming"
page on WNUR's jazz web. Can't wait for these great shows!

Jason Bivins

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:03:10 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada break-up?

[e-mail] wrote:

> Is the rumor about Masada soon disbanding true?  I heard the group
> will
> make 10 records and break up.

I can't answer this directly but did hear a rumor last night at the Knit
that supposedly the three nights Masada is playing there at the end of
September are the final live gigs for the band...  Not substantiated,
just idle chat from the girl who works the boxoffice.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:34:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (David Polak)
Subject: Re: Leng Tche

Reply to message from [e-mail] of Wed, 17 Sep
>
>Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to mean...?
>
>
>
100 pieces. It was a torture method.

- --
"Reality is too harsh.  Imagination makes everything nice.  Use your
 imagination to get out of the most drab places by simply holding on
 to the imagination and making it real." - Sun Ra

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:43:32 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: New Avant and Tzadik releases

The new Koch book came out today:  I don't have time to give the details
on everything, but just to wet your whistle: All to be out in October
for the most part.
PACHORA - Pachora, Knitting Factory Works 207:
Chris Speed, Brad Shepik (sazplayer?), Skulli Sverrisoon (bass) and  Jim
Black (percussion).   "Radical Jewish music" is increasing in
popularity, old and new, chaos and order...

FERTILE CRESCENT - Fertile Crescent, Knitting Factory Works 118
Erik Sanko -  the teenage biassist (sic?) in John Lurie's Lounge Lizards
went on to this looser musical endavor (sic!).  Preccursor to Skeleton
Key, his cuurrent band.
From 1992.
hmm. KFW or Koch needs a spellchecker.

BOREDOMS - Wow 2 - Avant 026
Recorded in 1992 at martin Bisi's Brooklyn studio right before the
Boredoms went on Lollapalooza.  Of all their recordings, this is the one
that best represents the live shows...blah blah..John Zorn, Sonic
Youth...

DEREK BAILEY/JOHN ZORN/QILLIAM PARKER - Harras - Avant 056
Music to make your hair stand on end. The 3 met one night in 1993 and
fortunately a digital tape player was present.  A text book of
improvisational interaction or a no-holes- (sic)- barred assault - you
decide.  An essential document of free improvisation at its best.

LEE HYLA - In Double Light - Avant 015
Lee Hyla is is becoming known as one of the premier composers of his
generation, having written music for many of the world's greatest
orchestras and ensambles.  Recorded between 1986 and 1992, this is a
collection os works for small chamber ensambles.  Masterful bass
clarinet work from Tim Smith.
Note: The artwork shown for this piece is  that of  the Tzadik composer
series.

PHILLIP JOHNSTON'S BIG TROUBLE - The Unknown - Avant 037
Many musicians lately have written music  for  silent  films, but few
have done it as well as  Johnston's score for Tod Browning's
masterpiece, The Unknown. Also known for his little big band , The
Microscopic Septet, Phillip has recently been composing music for films
by Paul Schrader and Philip Haas (Music of Chance).  Modern harmonies,
nostalgic old-time feel, and a side-show carnival atmosphere make this
original and distinctive.

VIRGIL MOOREFIELD - The Temperature of Hell Is Over Three Thousand
Degrees - Tzadik 7026 Composer  Series.  With Tom Chiu, David Eggar,
V.M., Tim Otto and Woody Park.
 Moorefield was born in Chapel Hill, grew up in Europe and has recorded
with the Swans, Glenn Branca, Bill Laswell, Elliott Sharp and Damage.
This disc reflects his interest in microtonality minimalism and
improvisation to create a world a world of precision, movement and
surprise.

RONNY SOMECK & ELLIOTT SHARP  - Revenge of the Stuttering Child - Tzadik
7117 Radical Jewish Culture
A meeting of two eclectic Jewish masyers. Someck - a poet born in Iraq
and Sharp create sounds as words and sounds as music; a tangled-up
feedback loop that builds and mutates.  Much more than mere poetry set
to music.  Augmented by pianist Anthony Coleman, the cello and accordian
of the Parkins sisters and percussionist Salifoski.

SERGE GAINSBOURG - Great Jewish Music - Tzadik 7116 - Radical Jewish
Culture
Second installment of the series focuses on the man from France.  Famous
since the 1950's - except in America; or infamous here...  One disc this
time, but 21 artists and 74 minutes long.  Zorn, Mike Patton, Elysian
Fields (?!), Kramer, Ikue, Mori, Ruins, Anthony Coleman, David Shea,
Blond Redhead, Cibo Matto, MM&W, Mark Ribot and others.
note: Not familiar with this guy?  There's re-issues of his stuff now,
but Mick Harvey from the Bad Seeds, and Crime has a collection of his
songs translated very well into English called The Intoxicated Man.
Another volume by Harvey is due out in a month or so.   He was a funny
guy, old Serge.

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