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zorn-list Digest Sunday, September 14 1997 Volume 02 : Number 120
In this issue:
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Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp
Etant donnes (Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp)
DNA
DNA
David Thomas
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #119
Re: DNA
Re: David Thomas / 2 pale boys
To All Old Wheezers Everywhere
Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley
Re: Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley
David Shea albums and style
Nicky Skopelitis
JZ @ Downtown Music Gallery Celebration
Birdhouse: microtonal ji music at CB's 313 Gallery
Melvins backwards record
Re: Melvins backwards record
Re: Melvins backwards record
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:20:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: advertisement
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:26:32 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp
>That is a Duchamp`s last work.
>
Actually, it's only part of the work. The tableau with the new and gas
lamp is visible only through a hole in a large wooden door selected by
Duchamp & the installation is in an easily overlooked small room adjacent
to the rest of the Philadelphia Museum's Duchamp collection (the largest
single collection anywhere). The whole thing (tableau, door, & placement)
is Duchamp's last work, which he created in secret after announcing his
retirement from making art 20-30 years earlier.
>
>See http://www.val.net/~tim/duchamp-aug96.html
Thanks for the URL, there's some good things there.
>But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ?
>
My French isn't great, but I think "being given" is a close approximation
in English. (the Web site you point to translates it simply as "given"
which is certainly more idiomatically elegant)
Oh, yeah, & the site above has a link to a site that has an animation of
the door & the tableau that's kind of cute:
<http://www.jedsp.com/duchamp/>
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:06:35 +0200
From: Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Etant donnes (Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp)
Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com> wrote:
>>But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ?
>My French isn't great, but I think "being given" is a close approximation
>in English. (the Web site you point to translates it simply as "given"
>which is certainly more idiomatically elegant)
"Etant donne" (with an aigu, no final s) does mean "being given",
or "considering", what puzzles me is the final S :-=A6
since "etant donnes" itself doesn't mean much to my knowledge.
Maybe some kind of clever artistry?
Stephane
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:19:47 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: DNA
It's great to see that people remember and appreciate DNA. They were an
amazing band and I'm really sorry I never got to see them live. A TASTE
OF DNA is an amazing EP- never heard anything quite like it. It's such
a shame that this (and the live CD) is the only record that they put
out. Let's hope this gets reissued (with bonus tracks!)
Before Tim Wright (Ubu), I think Robin Crutchfield (keyboards) was with
them (heard on NO NEW YORK), who later did.... Dark Day(?)
Jason
- --
Perfect Sound Forever
Warped Perspectives on All Types of Music
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:28:47 -0600
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: DNA
I have the No New York record, which I think is fantastic. (As an aside,
especially in light of its "collector's status", I had it when it came out,
sold it some time later and picked it up again a few years ago, cause I had
missed it.) I myself am going to have to give Locus Solus another listen,
cause I previously haven't caught the connection between that and DNA. In
addition, I think that most Zorn folks if they already don't listen to James
Chance (aka James Black, aka James White) and Contortions need to check them
out- they would like this band. Just for the "proto-noise" value alone, I
think that all should pick up No New York, assuming you can find it at a
reasonable price. I would suspect that in less hip locals like Detroit,
where I'm at, it would be easy to find. If anyone wants me to tape it, email
me and we'll work something out.
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:43:24 -0600
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: David Thomas
>Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with
>Two Pale boys...
>Sz
Don't know if we're straying too far afield here, But Pere Ubu was probably
the first "noise" type group I got into, of course in historical hindsight,
they're downright mainstream and melodic. I went to grad school at the Ohio
State U in Columbus during the early-mid '80s, and Thomas and the band would
frequently come down from Cleveland to try out new material. This was one of
the few highlights of that otherwise boring city. However, I'm interested in
your comments about the Two Pale Boys. I had read an interview with the Pere
Ubu guys several years ago that they were trying to go for mainstream
success; that they were older and wanted to make a living from their music.
And unfortunately their last several disks showed this attitude, and in my
opinion sucked in a major way. I had written of the band. Is the TPB Thomas'
band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to make, or his good
wild jazzy stuff that The Pedestrian's used to do, or something else
entirely? Could you describe the actual music for me, please? I know they
also have a disk out, has anybody heard it?
yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: WINRECORDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #119
In a message dated 9/10/97 11:13:37 PM, you wrote:
<<The only DNA (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass) record
in print right now is the "Live at CBGB's" CD on Avant. >>
DNA bassist was Tim Wright...a phenomenal player. It's never made any sense
to me why the long out-of-print DNA record has never been re-issued by
anyone??? Atavistic...if you are out there listening, this is one you should
consider!!!
Yes, the Avant release is cool, but as mentioned, the sound quality isn't so
stellar.
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:27:05 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: tkorpipa@siba.fi
Subject: Re: DNA
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
> An afterthought. The bassist is Tim Wright, the original bassist from
> Pere Ubu. That may be additional incentive for Ubu fans, if there any
> others on this list.
me too... i've liked pere ubu now and then after discovering a 'modern
dance' cassette on my friendly local library... (!)
'life stinks and i need a drink' or how did that song go... :)
teemu
:::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck -
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:23:50 +0200
From: Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: David Thomas / 2 pale boys
Two Pale boys have one studio CD out I think (Erewhon),
with perhaps more edge than much of the Pedestrians stuff, and
David often on accordion. There is some Midi-trumpet by Andy Diagram, who is
also part of the Spaceheads, a great noise-ambient-technopunk dance
band (2 CDs out I think). Some of the stuff on the TPB CD goes in that
direction. I'm so tired with people doing always the
same thing, that CD was really a *good* surprise. perhaps the best
example of this new dance/mutant_trumpet/david whisper approach
is called something like Highway 69 revisited so don't be put off!
there's also a Live CD of a TPB 1996 concert on the 5 CD Pedestrians
reissue Monster, which is a bit like the Pere Ubu Live album (forgot what the
name was) but played in today's dance context maybe, with lots of great
David vocals. Appropriately enough, it was recorded in a hall called Ubu
something, in Reims, France.
At 07:43 11.09.97 -0600, Dennis Summers wrote:
>>Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with
>>Two Pale boys...
>
>>Sz
>
>Don't know if we're straying too far afield here, But Pere Ubu was probably
>the first "noise" type group I got into, of course in historical hindsight,
>they're downright mainstream and melodic. I went to grad school at the Ohio
>State U in Columbus during the early-mid '80s, and Thomas and the band would
>frequently come down from Cleveland to try out new material. This was one of
>the few highlights of that otherwise boring city. However, I'm interested in
>your comments about the Two Pale Boys. I had read an interview with the Pere
>Ubu guys several years ago that they were trying to go for mainstream
>success; that they were older and wanted to make a living from their music.
>And unfortunately their last several disks showed this attitude, and in my
>opinion sucked in a major way. I had written of the band. Is the TPB Thomas'
>band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to make, or his good
>wild jazzy stuff that The Pedestrian's used to do, or something else
>entirely? Could you describe the actual music for me, please? I know they
>also have a disk out, has anybody heard it?
>
>yours in zornocity --ds
>***Quantum Dance Works***
>****http://ic.net/~denniss****
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:57:00 -0700
From: Schwitterz <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: To All Old Wheezers Everywhere
somewhere near...somewhere far...
somewhere down the street, past the local bar...
is a [indecipherable] kinda homey place..
and I go inside and show my face
it's someone i barely know...
there's a poet
there's a heart of gold
& they're both lookin' at a glass of foam
I'm not a poet
& you KNOW that I'm not a glass of foam
I've got a heart of gold
I've Heart of gold
I've got a heart of gold...[repeat ad infinitum with increased garbled wheezing
and hoarse whispering over a simple repetitive bass line]
- ---from 'Kathleen' off the EREWHON CD
dennis summers wrote:
> >Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with
> >Two Pale boys...
>
> I had read an interview with the Pere Ubu guys several years ago that they
> were trying to go for mainstream success; that they were older and wanted to
> make a living from their music. And unfortunately their last several disks
> showed this attitude, and in my
> opinion sucked in a major way.
I was deeply saddened by PU's attempt at mainstream success, although I saw them
last year on tour with Horvitz's PigPen and they were great live.
Is the TPB Thomas' band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to
make?
Not really, although it gets noisy at times.
or his good wild jazzy stuff that The Pedestrian's used to do?
maybe it could be called Pedestrians for the electronica era...lots of effects
and loops and such...but rather tongue in cheek in Thomas' hands...the Cd
reveals many subtle studio delights on careful listening...
or something else entirely?
almost could say yes, something else entirely...
Could you describe the actual music for me, please?
Thomas plays a melodeon...an old beat up hand held reed organ...it clicks and
clatters and wheezes...sometimes he accompanies himself by just clicking the
keys loudly while singing the best Thomas vocals I have ever heard...very
carefully crafted yet wheeze is the operative word both for the vocals and the
melodeon...my favorite tunes have him in the forefront with the Pale ones adding
atmospherics in the background...then there are some tunes that make more use of
the midi-trumpet and guitars with loops and sampling...labeling this music with
current parlance will suggest [to the suggestible listener]* something other
than what happens when Thomas uses these DEVICES**...I haven't heard the live
disc on MONSTER yet, but seeing them live was even better than the studio disc,
because they improvise liberally in performance...Andy Diagram was stunning,
using elctronic effects with his trumpet in a way that IMHO puts Toshinori Kondo
to shame...[although THE MARZ COMBO and DIE LIKE A DOG are two of my all time
favorite recordings]...
Sz
* name that tune
**from the same tune
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:36:17 -0700
From: mike burma <rizzi@grin.net>
Subject: Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley
This coming Sunday Sept. 14th, there will be a Tzadik CD Release
Performance in Berkeley for the David Slusser recording 'Delight
at the End of the Tunnel.' The show is 8 PM at Beanbenders
(a gallery at the corner of Shattuck and Bancroft). Joining Slusser
will be Tom Nunn, Ralph Carney, Graham Connah, and a bunch
more whose names I forget.
Mike Burma
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:28:04 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley
mike burma wrote:
>
> This coming Sunday Sept. 14th, there will be a Tzadik CD Release
> Performance in Berkeley for the David Slusser recording 'Delight
> at the End of the Tunnel.' The show is 8 PM at Beanbenders
> (a gallery at the corner of Shattuck and Bancroft). Joining Slusser
> will be Tom Nunn, Ralph Carney, Graham Connah, and a bunch
> more whose names I forget.
this disc is fantastic. mr. slusser has been doing sound design for films
(david lynch, francis coppola etc) for years, and the scope of this project
reflects that work, as well as his predilection for bizarre electronics, his
abilities as a saxophonist and most of all his imaginative way of organizing
the most disparate of elements into a cohesive suite of music. well worth
checking out!
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:00:03 +1200
From: Mike King <m-king@clear.net.nz>
Subject: David Shea albums and style
Can anyone tell me a bit about David Shea, like what his albumns are like
(content and opinions), and what albumns are out there? I've only heard him
on Mr Bungle selftitled and on Elegy I think.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
_____________________________________________________________
Michael King Phone +64-6-3569099 Ext. 6374
Wool Building Rm. 2.01 Fax +64-6-3505699
Department of Animal Science E-mail m-king@clear.net.nz
Massey University Home +64-6-3583217
Palmerston North
New Zealand
_____________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:34:22 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <ihvh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Nicky Skopelitis
WMI has a self titled CD by Nicky Skopelitis listed, and I was
wondereing if anyone had any information on this. Thanks
Dave Brunelle
IHVH@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: SlightAche@aol.com
Subject: JZ @ Downtown Music Gallery Celebration
Just wanted to let everyone know that at last night's DMG Anniversary
Celebration at the Knit, Zorn made an unnannounced appearance during the
Elliott Sharp/Bobby Previte set. I've seen a lot of the improv sets over the
last year and a half or so, and I've got to say that this set was among the
finest I've witnessed!
take care y'all. If anyone would care to dialogue with me on this, be sure
to copy me on any follow-up posts, since I only get the digest.
PWKing
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:51:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: DMB5561719@aol.com
Subject: Birdhouse: microtonal ji music at CB's 313 Gallery
microtonal just intonation music
Birdhouse
at CB's 313 Gallery
313 Bowery (at Bleecker St.)
NYC, NY
September 19, 1997
9pm
$6 at the door
featuring:
Meredith Borden - soprano
Jon Catler - just intonation guitar (the Catler Bros.,
La Monte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band)
Brad Catler - percussion (the Catler Bros.,
La Monte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band)
Andrew Bolotowsky - flutes (from the American Fetival of Microtonal Music)
"Mr. Catler's Nightbird, with it's exotic harmonies,
sounded like some strange flamenco dance...
Ms. Borden's microtonally tinged singing was
confident and convincing." NY Times, 5/97.
check out the Freenote website at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~freenote/
info: (201) 659-1219
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:28:35 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Melvins backwards record
I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention
of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a
hallucination or was it some other band?
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:25:30 -0500
From: clockwise <clockwis@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and collect
their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember
hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic
Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and
backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this.
At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote:
>I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
>featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention
>of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a
>hallucination or was it some other band?
>Lang Thompson
>http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:17:23 -0700
From: "pjm" <pjm@memes.com>
Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
To Go even further afield: Mudhoney's " My Brother the Cow" CD ends with
the entire CD recorded backwards. Its actually almost BETTER this way :}
- ----------
> From: clockwise <clockwis@execpc.com>
> To: zorn-list@xmission.com
> Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:25 PM
>
> That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and
collect
> their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember
> hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic
> Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and
> backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this.
>
> At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote:
> >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that
> >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any
mention
> >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a
> >hallucination or was it some other band?
> >Lang Thompson
> >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
> >
> >
>
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