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zorn-list Digest      Thursday, September 4 1997      Volume 02 : Number 116



In this issue:

    Re: Third Rail
    more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions
    Re: Baron & Bowie?
    Re: (amb) third rail
    Re: Pieces
    Re: Pieces
    Re: more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions
    Re: (amb) third rail
    film-project (fwd)
    Microtonal music at the Trenton Avant Gard Festival.
    BUCKETHEAD/DISK show
    Re: Third Rail
    Re: Third Rail
    Re: Third Rail
    New Misha Mengelberg Trio
    preZorn
    Parachute Years Box Set
    Re: Third Rail
    Re: preZorn
    Rivbea
    Frisell dates

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 10:13:46 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail

> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:13:23 -0700
> From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #114
>
> At 12:47 AM 8/31/97 -0400, Perfect Sound Forever wrote:
>
> >the second time TR has had a show cancelled in a month in New York- there
> >was one that was supposed to happen at Tramps a month ago that was
> >cancelled because they hadn't sold any advanced tickets.
>
> This is not why the show was cancelled.  The show had been cancelled before
> the ads ran.

My apologies- my sources screwed up.  I do know that there were ads in
the papers for both shows before they were cancelled.  What actually
happened then?

> >Also sad since
> >the show's they've done in California are supposed to have been great.
>
> Well the San Francisco show was certainly great.  Bill didn't seem as
> enthusiastic about the one in LA, which I missed.

Nevertheless, seeing Ulmer, Laswell and Worrell in a group would still
be great even on an 'off' night.  Having the Last Poets on the same bill
would make it even more exciting.  I really hope they do get a chance to
do a show here in New York.

Jason

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Warped Perspectives on All Types of Music
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:43:31 -0600
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions

Wow, what an interesting exchange. Being into Henry Cow, long before I was
into Zorn, but liking Zorn better ---this was really enlightening. Issues of
"accurate history" aside, can we take the Masada music as a political
statement, and does this imply some change on Zorn's part? Also, and I know
that everyone does not agree with me, I find this interesting because I feel
that the Zorn/Frith disc is one of his weakest.

yours in zornocity --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:24:53 -0400
From: Your Name <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baron & Bowie?

BJOERN wrote:
>
> i realized that some days before a masada show in april......i took that
> CD to the gig to get it signed by baron and asked him about it......
> as far as i remember he just did a few pieces on the album and never
> played on any other bowie record....
>
Don't know if he's on any other Bowie albums, but he did play on the
tour (at least at the show in D.C.).  I always thought it was pretty
common knowledge....the Washington Post made a point of mentioning his
inclusion in both the album review and the concert review, and they are
often pretty clueless about less mainstream artists.

Matt

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:22:07 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (amb) third rail

My brother-in-law's sister works for the booking agent at Irving Plaza
and she told me last week that the Third Rail show was cancelled due to
lack of advance ticket sales. I hope that maybe they'll just move it to
another venue, like the Knitting Factory.

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:25:47 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pieces

>A Million Miles Ago Jeff Spirer, demi-God and Icon sez:
>>
>>He has three releases under his own name.  The first, on Avant, is
>>_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory.
>
>    Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double
>    CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday.
>
Buckethead had been selling copies also, for $20.00 (i think) plus
shipping.  I don't know if he still has any, though.

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:57:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pieces

In a message dated 97-09-02 02:50:58 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

> >
>  >He has three releases under his own name.  The first, on Avant, is
>  >_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory.
>
>      Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double
>      CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday.
>

Buckethead sells them himself for like 22 dollars, new.  If you go to his
official website, I think there is an order form there, and you can also
order his other cd's, and some cassette only releases.

Jody

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:30:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions

On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, dennis summers wrote:

> Wow, what an interesting exchange.

Agreed.  Thanks for posting this, Patrice.

> Issues of
> "accurate history" aside, can we take the Masada music as a political
> statement, and does this imply some change on Zorn's part?

Maybe, maybe not.  The talk about politics was joking enough that I'm not
sure how to take Zorn's comments.  There's certainly something political
about Masada. but there's also something political about allowing
improvisers a great deal of freedom within a compositional structure.
Perhaps the difference between Zorn's politics and Cow's is summed up by
the difference netween the Gershom Scholem quote, which graces the covers
of the Masada series and speaks of "a treasure hunt within tradition", and
the John Grierson quote taken as a motto by Cow on _In Praise of
Learning_:  "Art is not a mirror -- It is a hammer"  The latter suggests
the certainty of an  agenda (although it's vague about which one).  The
former suggests a refusal to accept any orthodoxy.  There's a tension
between the two.
     In fairness to Cow, Frith's comments in the exchange Patrice posted
suggest that their agenda mandated an absolute openness to self-criticism.
But their work is sometimes marred by the unquestioning agitprop of the
lyrics.

Chris Hamilton


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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:22:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (amb) third rail

In a message dated 97-09-02 14:39:18 EDT, [e-mail] (David Brunelle)
writes:

> My brother-in-law's sister works for the booking agent at Irving Plaza
>  and she told me last week that the Third Rail show was cancelled due to
>  lack of advance ticket sales. I hope that maybe they'll just move it to
>  another venue, like the Knitting Factory.
>

Yes, this is a good idea.  If you book a show in a larger venue like Irving
Plaza or Tramps, and few (or no) advance tickets are sold, the promoter will
get scared and cancel.   And besides, Praxis drew less than 300 people at
their last NYC show, so I think it would be wise for Third Rail to play a
smaller venue.

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: film-project (fwd)

    Thought I would forward this message
    I got...if anyone can help this dear
    man, please email him privately.
    thanks,
    mike

>02.09.1997
>
>Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
>for the purpose of an avantgarde-film-project, which will take place in
>Frankfurt/Main (Germany) in November/December 1997, we intend to present
>several motion pictures in combination with the appropriate soundtracks
>by John Zorn. In this case it is concerning the pictures äElegant
>Spankingô, äA Lot of Fun for the Evil Oneô, directed by Maria Beatty
>and äHeretic. Jeux des Dames Cruellesô.
>Our problem is, that we havenÆt gotten the movies yet, but we already
>have the music at our disposal. Our inquiries have all been unsuccessful
>so far, thus we are trying to get some information to attain the
>pictures via the web.
>
>The above-mentioned project is planned by the äF÷rderverein Film
>Frankfurt am Mainô (Frankfurt Film Foundation), represented by the
>musicologist Michael Rebhahn and the film-historian Dr. Harald
>Englmeier, who is also the chairman of the foundation.
>
>If you know of any possibility of how to get the motion pictures,
>we would be very grateful if you would contact us.
>
>Thank you very much for your consideration.
>
>Yours sincerely
>Michael Rebhahn
>
>Please mail to:  [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Microtonal music at the Trenton Avant Gard Festival.

Just a quick note...

I'll be performing my guitar synth. & tape work
"The Tyranny of Equal Tempermant"
at the Trenton Avant Gard Festival on Sept. 6, 1997.
I should be playing at Joe's Mill Hill Bar sometime between 12 and 6pm.

The synthesizer will be tuned in a harmonic series just
intonation. For those interested in these kind of things,
the prime limit of 37, but it could get higher. Special
appearance by 7/6, the septimal third. I'll be improvising
and on tape I'll be reading
selections from Walter Piston's textbooks Harmony and
Orchestration with analog and digital sound processing.
Title from Harry Partch's Genesis of a Music.

Let me know if you need directions. The festival is of course free.

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 08:19:23 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUCKETHEAD/DISK show

Buckethead and DJ Disk will be performing at 205 Club in NYC next Tuesday,  9
September.

That's at 205 Chrystie Street, corner of Stanton and Chrystie one block
south of Houston.

Ion will be recording for a live CD at this show.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:52:29 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail

At 06:32 PM 8/30/97 -0400, Sean Terwilliger wrote:
>So!
>It appears the TR have cancelled their NY gig on 9/12. Any news of a
>re-schedual?

Here is the story on the Third Rail concert.  I wanted to get some details.

The concert has been cancelled, and Irving Plaza was disappointed with
advance ticket sales.  However, advance ticket sales for the show in San
Francisco were extremely low (the club wanted to cancel) but the show sold
out.  The show probably would have done well if they had let it happen.

There have been some comparisons to the Praxis show, which didn't sell real
well.  The Praxis show was barely promoted, nobody knew where to get
tickets (I got a lot of inquiries), the location was not particularly
convenient or well-known.

There is an effort going on to reschedule the concert at another venue.  As
soon as I hear there is some progress, I will post it here.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:46:57 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail

> >It appears the TR have cancelled their NY gig on 9/12. Any news of a
> >re-schedual?
>
> Here is the story on the Third Rail concert.  I wanted to get some
details.
>
> Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major
disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian
stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh !   Ulmer's latest "Plays The Music of
Ornette" is much more rewarding...for example....

glenn

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:05:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail

On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Glenn Astarita wrote:

> > Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major
> disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian
> stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh !   Ulmer's latest "Plays The Music of
> Ornette" is much more rewarding...for example....

Hmmm...  I was pleasantly surprised myself, given how much I hated
_America - Do You Remember the Love?_.  I definitely think, in terms of
quality of material and playing, it's Ulmer's best blues/rock-oriented
work since _Odyssey_.  And, while nothing he's done since _Odyssey_ has
been really groundbreaking, I'd rate the recent Music Revelation Ensemble
albums much higher than the Ornette tribute as jazz-oriented work.  The
playing just seems more intense, and the ensembles more integrated.

     I do think Ulmer's work has suffered in general since he started
separating the various strands of his music into genre-oriented records.

Chris Hamilton


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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (Holtby)
Subject: New Misha Mengelberg Trio

    -Being a large fan of Mengelberg's "Who's Bridge" trio recording with Joey
Baron and Brad Jones, I was delighted to see that Cadence's center section
offers a new Mengelberg trio disc entitled "No Idea".  Apparently Mengelberg
has switched from Avant to DIW for this one, and, while retaining Joey
Baron, has replaced Jones with G. Cohen.

    Begore biting the bullet, I wonder if anyone has heard this and might give
a recommendation.  Are these Mengelberg compositions?

Thanks-
Doug H.

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:16:11 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: preZorn

Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
etc.?

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 07:52:22 -0400
From: Matt Jukins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Parachute Years Box Set

Hi all,

FYI, the Parachute years box can be pre-ordered at www.cdnow.com.
It costs $89.95 plus shipping.

- -Matt

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 07:24:09 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third Rail

At 06:46 PM 9/3/97 -0500, Glenn Astarita wrote:

> Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major
>disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian
>stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh !

This seems to be one of those albums that draws reactions like this or the
polar opposite.  I think it is its minimalism.  I liked it as soon as I
heard it because it instantly reminded me of Booker T and the MGs (!), a
favorite band when I was a kid.

The live show in San Francisco was quite a contrast, so if the play in NYC,
impressions of the disc should not keep anyone from going.  It was a
blistering funk show, much more dense that the CD,  with Blood grinding
ecstasy out of his guitar.  The high point was a cover of Portishead
(another !) that Amina sang.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:18:37 -0500
From: ⌠° <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: preZorn

Julian wrote:
>
> Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or
> experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz
> etc.?


    Where to start?.....Zorn showed up on the scene in the late 70's, so,
I'd have to mention The East Village club Sluggs; home to Sun Ra,
Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock...Also, Sam Rivers loft, I
believe it was called Studio Rivbea?, Columbia University's Radio
Station WKCR, did a lot of live broadcasts back then.
    You might want to check out Valerie Wilmers book "As serious as your
Life" for a good overview of this stuff.
    As far as experimental music, I would mention Cage, Subotnick,
Labarbara, and especially Moondog, one of the most interesting
characters ever to prowl the streets of Manhattan.

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:20:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rivbea

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, =F4=F8 wrote:

> =09Where to start?.....Zorn showed up on the scene in the late 70's, so,
> I'd have to mention The East Village club Sluggs; home to Sun Ra,
> Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock...Also, Sam Rivers loft, I
> believe it was called Studio Rivbea?, Columbia University's Radio
> Station WKCR, did a lot of live broadcasts back then.=20

Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that=20
preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower"=20
series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft.  The one I have=20
features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton,=20
Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake.  These haven't been=20
reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and=20
I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if=20
only for taping purposes).

b

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:21:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Frisell dates

Here are some Bill Frisell dates, if anyone's interested.

PAUL MOTIAN TRIO FEATURING BILL FRISELL & JOE LOVANO
Tues Sept. 16 thru
Sun. Sept. 21         Village Vanguard, NYC
BILL FRISELL QUARTET (w/ RON MILES, CURTIS FOWLKES & EYVIND KANG)
Wed, Sept. 24        Harn Museum, Gainesville, FL
Thur, Sept. 25        Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, GA
Fri, Sept. 26        Laurel Theater, Knoxville, TN
Sun, Sept. 28        Outpost, Albuquerque, NM
Mon, Sept. 29         Outpost, Albuquerque, NM
Wed, Oct. 1         Santa Fe Music Hall, Santa Fe, NM
Fri, Oct. 3          Boulder Theater, Boulder, CO
Sat, Oct. 4         Bates Recital Hall, UT Austin, TX
JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON CARTER
Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16    Knitting Factory, NYC
BILL FRISELL'S NASHVILLE TRIO feat. JERRY DOUGLAS & VIKTOR KRAUSS
Wed, Oct. 22         Caffe Milano, Nashville, TN
Thur, Oct. 23         The Walker, Minneapolis, MN
Fri, Oct. 24        Museum of Our Nat'l Heritage, Lexington, MA
Sat, Oct. 25        St. Ann's, Brooklyn, NY
BILL FRISELL / JOEY BARON DUO
Sat, Nov. 1        Fasching Club, Stockholm, SWEDEN
Mon, Nov. 3        Sardinen USF, Bergen, NORWAY
Tues, Nov. 4        Sting, Stavenger, NORWAY
Wed, Nov. 5        Jazz House, Copenhagen, DENMARK
Thu, Nov. 6        Vooruit Arts Centre, Gent, BELGIUM
Sat, Nov. 8        Bimbuls, Amsterdam, HOLLAND
Sun, Nov. 9        pending Koln, GERMANY
Mon, Nov. 10        pending The Hague, HOLLAND
Tues, Nov. 11        pending Firenze, ITALY
Wed, Nov. 12        pending Catanzaro, ITALY
Thur, Nov. 13        Strasbourg, FRANCE
Fri, Nov. 14        Nevers, FRANCE
Sat, Nov. 15        Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND

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