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zorn-list Digest       Saturday, August 30 1997       Volume 02 : Number 114



In this issue:

    Re: live at pecci/filmworks 7
    Re: Pete Cosey
    douglas sextet
    Re: douglas sextet
    new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request
    Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request
    Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request
    Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request
    Medeski,Martin & Wood - Bubblehouse
    Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #104
    We (was Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request)
    Re: Bar Kokhba tape trade ??
    Re: Dance for Le Corbusier
    Parachute box again
    Re: Parachute box again
    Foday Musa Suso In Chicago TODAY 8/30/97
    Tzadik.com
    new e# on Tzadik
    Third Rail
    We again (was Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request)

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:00:30 -0600
From: joshua herrin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: live at pecci/filmworks 7

Guys, I just wanted to comment on 2 Zorn items I recently bought. First,
the "Dave Douglas/John Zorn/Yamatsuka Eye- Live at Pecci Museum (Italy)
March, 7, 1995" EP. It is a poorly recorded, poorly pressed 7" record
that is not worth even the $8 I paid for it. As I falsely reported to
Patrice earlier, this record is not a Relapse Records recording,
although the guy at Relapse told me it was. In fact, no record company
is listed at all on the sleeve. The only evidence of any company on the
record that I could find was etched on the outside of the record
grooves: "Dan 1 A" (on side A) & "Dan 1 B" (on, you guessed it, side B).
Don't look too hard for this "gem" if you don't already have it. On the
other hand, I am going to put my name on the ever-growing list of those
who love the "Cynical Hysterie Hour" CD. I am very pleased with this CD,
& it doesn't bother me in the slightest that it is only 30 minutes long.
If you don't have this one, DO go run out and go buy it...

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:50:44 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pete Cosey

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Cosey fans might want to know that he's on the recently reissued "Electric
> Mud" by Muddy Waters (on MCA).

great, i've been looking for this for some time... seems like a pretty
good year for cosey fans, with all these miles reissues coming out.

i have an old cosey interview (from guitar player, from my own
six-string years) where he talks at lenght about miles, muddy and howlin'
wolf (he played on one record? not?)  apparently, muddy was not at all
amused of cosey's psychedelic screetches, but at the next session (for
another record??? what is it?) after 'electric mud' had sold mighty well
muddy welcomed cosey back with open arms...

i dig the interview up and post any relevant points.

 teemu

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:58:04 -0700
From: hywel davies <[e-mail]>
Subject: douglas sextet

any news on the next sextet project from douglas - a wayne shorter
tribute?

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:45:19 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: douglas sextet

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:58:04 -0700  hywel davies wrote:
>
> any news on the next sextet project from douglas - a wayne shorter
> tribute?

All I know:

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*** - STAR GAZER: Dave Douglas' Wayne Shorter Tribute

  Music by and for Wayne Shorter.

    Recorded in December 1996

  Dave Douglas: trumpet; Josh Roseman: trombone; Chris Speed: clarinet, tenor;
  Uri Caine: piano; James Genus: bass; Joey Baron: drums.

    1996 - Arabesque (USA), ??? (CD)

  Note: not released yet (planned for September 1997).

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:55:12 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request

Hey all,

While in Seattle for a few days, I noticed another Eyvind Kang CD at
Border's (not 7 nades). I was wondering if anyone's heard it yet and
what they think.

also do anyone have the following records and would be willing to tape
them for me if I sent them tapes and return postage. I would buy them if
I had any sort of hope of finding them but tapes are my only hope at
this point. thanks to any kind soul who will help me!

031 - GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn
040 - EXPERIMENTAL PERFORMANCE WITH JOHN ZORN: Jojo Takayanagi


            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:01:05 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request

At 12:55 PM 8/29/97, Tom Pratt wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>While in Seattle for a few days, I noticed another Eyvind Kang CD at
>Border's (not 7 nades). I was wondering if anyone's heard it yet and
>what they think.
>
The disc is proabably Sweetness of Sickness, on the Rabid God Inoculator
label. It's much noisier than 7 Nades, and I like it quite a lot. There's a
hilarious arrangement of a Bhangra tune on it.

Also, I noticed Eyvind had a credit on the new We record, As Is. We is a
drum 'n bass collective from either San Francisco or NYC, they've had tunes
on compilations along the Illbient axis, as far as I know this is their
first full length release. It's a really great record of experimental drum
'n bass and hip hop, but I haven't yet spotted Eyvind's contribution to it
yet.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:34:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote:

> Also, I noticed Eyvind had a credit on the new We record, As Is. We is a
> drum 'n bass collective from either San Francisco or NYC, they've had tunes
> on compilations along the Illbient axis, as far as I know this is their
> first full length release. It's a really great record of experimental drum
> 'n bass and hip hop, but I haven't yet spotted Eyvind's contribution to it
> yet.

I saw We @ the Cooler back in July and they were a lot more
Dub and Hip Hop-influenced than anything else.  I didn't hear anything
fast or rhythmically complex enough to be called drum n' bass, but
regardless I like whatever it is that they do.  I think that
they're from NYC, but I don't really know much about them beyond their
contributions to the "Incursions in Illbient" CD that Ashodel put out
recently.

b

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:20:26 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request

At 2:34 PM 8/29/97, Brent Burton wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote:
>
>> Also, I noticed Eyvind had a credit on the new We record, As Is. We is a
>> drum 'n bass collective from either San Francisco or NYC, they've had tunes
>> on compilations along the Illbient axis, as far as I know this is their
>> first full length release. It's a really great record of experimental drum
>> 'n bass and hip hop, but I haven't yet spotted Eyvind's contribution to it
>> yet.
>
>I saw We @ the Cooler back in July and they were a lot more
>Dub and Hip Hop-influenced than anything else.  I didn't hear anything
>fast or rhythmically complex enough to be called drum n' bass, but
>regardless I like whatever it is that they do.  I think that
>they're from NYC, but I don't really know much about them beyond their
>contributions to the "Incursions in Illbient" CD that Ashodel put out
>recently.
>
Their As Is CD on Asphodel has a lot of drum 'n bass elements, as well as
dub and hip hop. I think it's one of the better things I've heard recently.


________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:27:08 -0300
From: "cmurat" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Medeski,Martin & Wood - Bubblehouse

Yesterday I bought MEDESKI, MARTIN & WOOD "BUBBLEHOUSE". John Zorn plays on
Dracula Remix. Just amazing.

[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:41:13 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #104

Sorry first of all.
For two things:  First I had some problems with the beta Netscape 4.0
and in the process lost a lot of my e-mail...  So the e-mail addresses
of the people who were interested in the Parachute Box are for the most
part gone.

I already sent ordering info to the four people whose addresses I
salvaged.

Thing 2:  I am going to be getting 7 boxes at the most.  It will depend
on the current realtions with Tzadik, how early my company pre-ordered
the sets (not very; they did it this week), and how much demand there is
for these on the days before street date - Sept. 16.

If anyone told me before they were interested, and even after caveats
from Patrice and myself, still want the set, please e-mail me again.  I
will respond with the address then as soon as I get back from Mexico
Modnday night.  I only have a couple of slots left,  first come,first
serve.  And sorry to be ethnocentric, but I'm going to limit it to U.S.
for shipping ease.

Mark Mauer
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 04:26:45 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: We (was Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request)

Dave Trenkel wrote:

>Also, I noticed Eyvind had a credit on the new We record, As Is.
>It's a really great record of experimental drum 'n bass and hip hop,
>but I haven't yet spotted Eyvind's contribution to it yet.

Yeah, i was wondering about that myself.  I mean, there's got to be
some violin in the mix somewhere.  Each of the extra participants
featured on the record has a symbol next to their name, but there
don't seem to be corresponding symbols next to the tracks they
perform on ... Huh?

Then, Brent Burton wrote:

>I saw We @ the Cooler back in July and they were a lot more
>Dub and Hip Hop-influenced than anything else.  I didn't hear anything
>fast or rhythmically complex enough to be called drum n' bass, but
>regardless I like whatever it is that they do.  I think that
>they're from NYC, but I don't really know much about them beyond their
>contributions to the "Incursions in Illbient" CD that Ashodel put out
>recently.

I believe all three DJs in We (Lloop, Olive, & Once11) are from NYC.
The Wire's (Dec. '96) feature on "Illbient" artists had some info on them.
As was said above, they've been featured on many comps. including "Incursions",
Laswell's Valis I & II, and DJ Spooky's "Necropolis", among others.  "As Is"
is their debut full-length.  More recently, they've released a 12" of 2
remixes they did for the Bay Area collective, Tipsy.  I believe either a
10" or 12" picture disc is in the works.

On a related note, both Olive & Lloop are in the band Liminal, with
guitarist Danny Blume.  Liminal have released two albums on Knitting
Factory, "Nosferatu", and their most recent, "Pre-Set", under the
Liminal Lounge moniker.  We & Liminal both have beats, bass & DJ
manipulations of sound in common, but they are still quite different
beasts.  Check out http://www.knittingfactory.com/Bands/Liminal.html
for more info if you're interested.


- -Patrick


np:  Band Of Pain - "You're Miss Fortune"

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:58:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bar Kokhba tape trade ??

> >     Zorn and Bar Kokhba played 2 shows in Toronto last night.  An
>
> i assume these are the tuesday shows.  the monday night 10.00 show
> was also amazing.  it lasted about 80 minutes or so (2 encores).
> ribot and feldman were particularly fierce i thought, and i really enjoyed

I saw all four of the shows here.  Although there were some pieces that
cropped up more than once, there was enough variety to keep the sets
different as well.  One piece that sticks out was the version of Taha
played by Joey Baron and Cyro Baptista - another notch in the belt for
the idea of melodic drumming.

I heard a lot of unfamiliar pieces...after the tenth and last Masada
album, there's still going to be a lot of unrecorded stuff.   Is Bar
Kochba going to continue to be a phenomenon after Zorn's finished with
it, much like Cobra?

- -jascha

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:01:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dance for Le Corbusier

> The quote in question is criticizing the value of writing analtically
> about music, which, as with just about anything we like, has roots deeper
> than what can be explained.  Being inspired to write by music is not the
> issue.

point.

- -jascha

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Parachute box again

I ws told that the Parachute box is not limited to 1000 copies, and that that
is just a rumor. Anyone know for sure?

Jon

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:09:37 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Parachute box again

[e-mail] wrote:

> I ws told that the Parachute box is not limited to 1000 copies, and
> that that
> is just a rumor. Anyone know for sure?
>
> Jon

I didn't see anything to that effect in the Koch sales literature, and I
know they'd use that as a selling point if it were the case.  I think
it's just a mistake based on the limited edition status of the original
LPs.  I can't imagine that they would go to all the trouble of making
such a deluxe, swanky package if it were not for posterity.

What I wonder is, what happened to all the people who pre-paid for the
100 CD Zorn/Eye box, now that Sound Factory is officially defunct (a
side-effect of Hong Kong's absorption into China, and not rumor but
fact)?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:26:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Foday Musa Suso In Chicago TODAY 8/30/97

Sorry for the last minute notice and the cross posting, but i just
found out about this yesterday.  Foday Musa Suso and the Mandingo Griot
Society will be performing today, August 30th, at the DuSable Museum of
African-American History in Chicago.

Kora player Suso has worked with a variety of well known artists including
Don Cherry, Bill Laswell, Herbie Hancock, Phillip Glass and Pharoah
Sanders as well as leading his own acclaimed group, the Mandingo Griot
Society.  His recordings have appeared on labels such as Columbia, Axiom,
CMP, and Elllipsis Arts.

The Mandingo Griot Society performs at 8:00 PM today as part of a four-day
African festival being held at the DuSable Museum, located at 55th &
Cottage Grove in the middle of Washington Park on Chicago's south side.
Washington Park is located close to both the Museum of Science and
Industry and the University of Chicago campus.  You can call (773)
955-2787 or [phone] for directions.  If you are still having
trouble, keep in mind that the museum is literally located in the middle
of Washington Park, which is very easy to find on a map.  Admission to the
festival will run about $5.

If you are planning to attend the Chicago Jazz Festival this
evening, I wouldn't reccomend leaving for Washington Park too long after
7:00 or so, which should give you time to catch the first two sets at
Grant Park.  Parking last year at the DuSable was a bitch.

Those looking to satsify their avant-garde jazz fix after the African
festival ends are directed to Fred Anderson's Velvet Lounge, 2128 1/2 S.
Indiana.  Sets there should run until at least 2:00 AM.  Call 312-791-9050
if you need directions.

Hope that some of you take advantage of this.  Suso's playing has always
struck of being some of the beautiful musicianship that I've ever had the
pleasure of hearing.

Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat,

Paul
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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 03:51:09 +0900
From: katsuhiro hayasaka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tzadik.com

See http://www.tzadik.com/

In Tzadik gossip,there is a list of upcoming releases

including "The Parachute Years".

- --
katsuhiro hayasaka  [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:07:36 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: new e# on Tzadik

Hey everyone,

    Here's the word from Elliott Sharp on the upcoming Tzadik release by
him and Ronny Someck:

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hi tom - new CD called Revenge of the Stuttering Child should be out in
september sometime.  Ronny Someck is an iraqi-born jewish poet who now
lives in israel.  his work is very deep as well as being
non-nationalistic & non-zionistic (both very important factors for me.)
he reads almost exclusively in hebrew on the disc - there are english
translations of the poems in the booklet.  the musical settings vary
greatly - guest musicians on some include saido salifoski-dumbek,
anthony coleman-piano, margaret parkins-cello, zeena parkins-accordion

L8R - E#
- ---------------------

looks interesting to me...


            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:32:35 -0400
From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Third Rail

So!
It appears the TR have cancelled their NY gig on 9/12. Any news of a
re-schedual?

Bummed.

Sean

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:00:31 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: We again (was Re: new Eyvind Kang and Zorn request)

Dave Trenkel wrote:

>Also, I noticed Eyvind had a credit on the new We record, As Is.
>It's a really great record of experimental drum 'n bass and hip hop,
>but I haven't yet spotted Eyvind's contribution to it yet.

I may have spotted him on track 11, "Tombs & Tombs Only" ... listen for his
playing in the background, and especially during the quieter moments.


- -Patrick


np: We - "As Is"

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