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To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #113
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zorn-list Digest Thursday, August 28 1997 Volume 02 : Number 113
In this issue:
Boredoms
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #112
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #112
Bar Kokhba tape trade ??
Douglas in Chicago on Thur.
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #112
Ethan in Florida....
Re: Dance for Le Corbusier
Re: Bar Kokhba tape trade ??
8/30/97
Re: Dance for Le Corbusier
The Parachute Box - wow!
Hi...
Dave Douglas/Cuong Vu
power Tools
Re: Dave Douglas/Cuong Vu
Pete Cosey
Re: Dance for Le Corbusier
Re: Dave Douglas/Cuong Vu
Re: Cosmic Invention
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:00:43 -0700
From: mike burma <rizzi@grin.net>
Subject: Boredoms
From: joshua herrin
>Yamatsuka Eye aka Yamantaka Eye aka Eye Yamatsuka aka Eye Yamantaka is
And don't forget Yamataka (with the 'n' missing) Eye.
>first and formost the lead screamer (?) for Boredoms, a great (hope I
>don't start another long discussion) band from Japan. They have several
>albums out, all of which I think are particularly good, with the
>exception of their "Super Roots" stuff
I really like the Super Roots discs. The music IS very
different than the more song oriented Boredoms material,
more along the lines of fun sound collage.
>The Banafish website
>(sorry, I don't know the address) has 2 really great articles on him.
http://www.cais.net/vertical//BANA.html
mike burma
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:24:09 +0000
From: Dan Kuehn <smokey@maui.net>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #112
zornophiles,
anybody heard yamatsuka eye with ween, aka Z-Rock Hawaii? should
i buy?
also, regarding bad or no sound from knitting factory's live link
- - i've been struggling with it for months.... sometimes picture
no sound, sometimes very chopchop sound, sometimes no sound no
nothing... so frustrating for those of us who don't get to
concerts much if at all. Has KF live ever worked for anybody???
A friend just returned from SF, and said he saw John Zorn-Mike
Patton-Ikue Mori as trio. Zorn on sax and even vocalizing,
screaming back & forth with Patton, Mori on effects &
percussion, actually everybody on effects, i guess. he said it
was a pretty diverse crowd.
also, been playing the re released miles since they came out a
couple weeks ago.....yow!
- --
Dan Kuehn
resident manager
Kailua Maui Gardens
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:36:39 -0700
From: Schwitterz <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #112
> also, regarding bad or no sound from knitting factory's live link
> - i've been struggling with it for months....
Since I originally asked about the KF Live connection they have ceased
broadcasting to work on the system and are guaranteeing better results
when they beguine again.
Sz
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:06:33 -0400
From: "Mark Logan and Kathleen O'Grady" <kerouack@wat.hookup.net>
Subject: Bar Kokhba tape trade ??
hi folks
Zorn and Bar Kokhba played 2 shows in Toronto last night. An
utterly fantastic show !!! I've never before seen him and though he
didnt play (conducted), the band was incredible !!! Baron, Baptista,
Cohen, Ribot, Feldman and Friedlander !! Anyway, I have a tape of each
show that Id be interested in trading for other live Zorn and related
bands. Please email me if interested. The shows were each 75 minutes.
One was taped from up front and the second from above and behind the
band. I think both sound good though the second has a bit more emphasis
on the percussionists. :-) I cannot get over how good they were. Mr
Zorn seemed very pleased by the performances- smiling and yelling out
the soloists names after each amazing piece !!!
bye
mark
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:10:43 -0600
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <Kingwil@interaccess.com>
Subject: Douglas in Chicago on Thur.
Just in case people here in the city missed it (I did until two seconds
ago).....
Dave Douglas is playing in the Myra Melford quartet tommorrow (thurs) at
5:55, at the Petrillo dome, as part of Jazz Fest. Along with him are M.M.
Chris Speed, Eric Friedlander, and someone else who I can't quite place at
the moment......
read icculus
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Cline <pmc7288@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #112
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Dan Kuehn wrote:
> zornophiles,
>
> anybody heard yamatsuka eye with ween, aka Z-Rock Hawaii? should
> i buy?
>
This album seems to be more like a Ween album with Yamatsuka sitting on
vocals, and some other Boredoms memebers are present as well than a true
collaboration. At least to my ears. Therefore if you like Ween, whom I
personally think are great, then you will dig this album.
- -Peter
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:35:30 EST
From: gsg@juno.com
Subject: Ethan in Florida....
Ethan(i hope this is the right name),
You emailed me today(8/27), as I was responding to you my computer
crashed...so I lost your email, address, etc etc...
please email me again....
thanks,
Geoff
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:47:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Dance for Le Corbusier
> (can you have missed that shimmering `about'?)
Bravo!
What would one do in place of dancing about architecture? Talk about it?
Of course not! Talking about architecture is like cooking about linear
algebra. What can we talk about? Talking, i suppose...that seems
internaly consistent, but very dull.
There's a point being made here...
If you still think dancing about architecture is a silly idea, then what
about writing music about painting, all those of you who own a copy of
Zorn's Durass/Duchamp (or even Mossoursky's Pictures at an Exhibition)?
Hmm...
- -jascha
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:30:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "k. drudge" <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Bar Kokhba tape trade ??
> Zorn and Bar Kokhba played 2 shows in Toronto last night. An
i assume these are the tuesday shows. the monday night 10.00 show
was also amazing. it lasted about 80 minutes or so (2 encores).
ribot and feldman were particularly fierce i thought, and i really enjoyed
the way zorn interacted with all of the musicians.
the arrangements have really evolved from the bar kokhba record;
there was a lot more `stretching' (of the tunes and the style) going on,
in part no doubt due to the presence of batista.
does anyone know if there are plans for another recording session?
keldon
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:06:55 -0400
From: "Matthew S. Cramer" <cramer@voicenet.com>
Subject: 8/30/97
A friend and I are going to the Night of Improv. Can anyone let me know
what we can expect? Is it worth going to both shows that night?
FWIW, I am most familiar with Naked City / Painkiller / Filmworks.
Also, can anyone point me to any good record / cd stores in NYC that have
hard to find goodies of the rock and jazz genres?
Thanks,
Matt
- --
Matthew S. Cramer
Programmer / Analyst
VELOX Systems Corp.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:27:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: Dance for Le Corbusier
The quote in question is criticizing the value of writing analtically
about music, which, as with just about anything we like, has roots deeper
than what can be explained. Being inspired to write by music is not the
issue.
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
>
> > (can you have missed that shimmering `about'?)
>
> Bravo!
>
> What would one do in place of dancing about architecture? Talk about it?
> Of course not! Talking about architecture is like cooking about linear
> algebra. What can we talk about? Talking, i suppose...that seems
> internaly consistent, but very dull.
>
> There's a point being made here...
>
> If you still think dancing about architecture is a silly idea, then what
> about writing music about painting, all those of you who own a copy of
> Zorn's Durass/Duchamp (or even Mossoursky's Pictures at an Exhibition)?
> Hmm...
>
> -jascha
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:33:34 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: The Parachute Box - wow!
Ladies and gentlemen -
I just saw the Parachute box for the first time today, at the company
which produces Tzadik's CD packaging, and it is a thing of beauty,
comparable to Sony's stylish Miles Davis "Complete Plugged Nickel" box.
The thing is a sturdy cardboard cube which holds 7 discs, and the design
work is definitely up to Tzadik's high standards. I've not seen the
inside but someone who did told me that the booklets and other packaging
are even more mind-blowing.
Here's what Tzadik said about the set in the September Koch release
book:
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JOHN ZORN: The Parachute Years 1977-1980
TZA CD 7316-7
Archival Series
Robert Dick, George Lewis, John Zorn, Anthony Coleman, Wayne Horvitz,
Kramer, Eugene Chadbourne, Bill Horvitz, Bill Laswell, Polly Bradfield,
Tom Cora, David Moss, Mark Smith, Charles K. Noyes, Bob Ostertag, Bruce
Ackley, Henry Kaiser, Lesli Dalaba, Mark E. Miller, Mark Abbott, LaDonna
Smith, Davey Williams
Lacrosse - Hockey - Pool - Archery plus more
The long-awaited reissue of Zorn's first recorded game pieces. A deluxe
7CD set complete with never-before-released outtakes, detailed liner
notes, musical sketches, photos and more.
Just three short years after his 1973 home recordings Zorn had devised a
series of complex game structures that challenged improvisors in ways no
one had thought of before. Pulling together influences from classical
music (Brown, Cardew, Kagel, Stockhausen) and the AACM (Braxton, Smith,
Mitchell) Zorn's scores forged a sound world of striking originality
thanks to the virtuosic brilliance of the musicians he worked with.
Issued on a private label in limited editions of 1000 copies, these are
the recordings that fucked everyone up in the first place. From
1978-1981, Zorn produced three 2 LP sets of his game compositions for
Eugene Chadbourne's Parachute label. They are included here in a newly
remastered edition along with hours of outtakes, rehearsals and other
rarities. Among the musicians who rose to the challenge of playing
these early esoteric compositions are Eugene Chadbourne, Polly
Bradfield, Bob Ostertag, Bill Laswell, Henry Kaiser, George Lewis, Wayne
and Bill Horvitz, Kramer, Robert Dick, Anthony Coleman, Tom Cora, Davey
Williams and many many others.
File under: Classical
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I noticed on the box that one of the discs was subtitled "Twins," so I
guess that one has the recordings made by the quartet of Zorn,
Chadbourne, Ackley and Kaiser.
Gotta start saving some money up for this one...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:37:56 -0500
From: Steven P Nilsen <nilse004@tc.umn.edu> (Steven Nilsen)
Subject: Hi...
I'm a new subscriber, as of a minute ago.
My name is Steven Nilsen. I'm a grad student at UConn Med Ctr, Farmington,=
CT. I'm living in the oh-so-culturally-gifted Hartford downtown, just a=
tad more interesting than St.Paul, MN, maybe. My interests in music have=
included John Zorn for about a year now, and I've listened to and own a=
fair number of his discs. I'm especially fond of Naked City and Masada, so=
I follow the other artists involved in those projects as well.
I've subscribed now mostly to ask on simple question: is anybody North of=
NYC plan on attending any of the Masada shows this fall, and would you be=
looking for somebody to car pool with? I really want to go to at least=
one, but would like to go along with somebody, even if I'm just meeting=
that person.
If anybody can help me out I can be reached at nilse004@tc.umn.edu for now. =
Thanks,
Steven
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:50:05 PDT
From: "sangeeta johnson" <sangeetaj@hotmail.com>
Subject: Dave Douglas/Cuong Vu
>
>>He also does some nice work on Andy Laster's "Interpretations of
>Lessness"
>>and the latest Chris Speed cd "Yeah/No"..(both on Songlines).. I hate
>to
>>say it but his phrasing reminds me of Dave Douglas....which is a
>compliment
>>but i generally don't like making comparisons...
>>
>>glenn
>
>To be compared to Dave Douglas is indeed a high and worthy compliment.
>Dave is one of the most talented, technically proficient, and inspired
>trumpet players in the world. BUT...to compare those two would be
>analogous to comparing Zorn's alto playing to Tim Berne's. Or let's
say
>Wayne sounded like Trane. I think that if you were to pose this
>comparison to the musicians in the same circuit as Dave and Cuong,
you'd
>get a little chuckle.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I'll recomend Cuong's upcoming Knit gig as well. This is guaranteed to
>be a great show.
>
>-Sangeetaj
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:40:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: power Tools
In a message dated 97-08-28 18:47:08 EDT, punkjazz writes:
> in the late 80's, when Bill Frisell was too busy to
> continue with Power Tools, Melvin Gibbs sought Pete out to fill the
> guitar chair(BTW, he also considered Adrian Belew!). Upon Pete's
> arrival in NY, it became obvious that his eyesight was failing, badly
> enough that reading music was out of the question. The addition of a
> second guitarist(Ronnie Drayton?) enabled them to play a gig or two, but
> that was the last I heard of Pete.
>
Actually it was David Gilmore who also played in Power Tools. I think Pete
and Dave played in Power Tools together, even. (But they didnt quite fill
the big shoes left by Frisell..)
Jody
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:02:44 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas/Cuong Vu
- ----------
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >>He also does some nice work on Andy Laster's "Interpretations of
> >Lessness"
> >>and the latest Chris Speed cd "Yeah/No"..(both on Songlines).. I hate
> >to
> >>say it but his phrasing reminds me of Dave Douglas....which is a
> >compliment
> >>but i generally don't like making comparisons...
> >>
> >>glenn
> >
> >To be compared to Dave Douglas is indeed a high and worthy compliment.
> >Dave is one of the most talented, technically proficient, and inspired
> >trumpet players in the world. BUT...to compare those two would be
> >analogous to comparing Zorn's alto playing to Tim Berne's. Or let's
> say
> >Wayne sounded like Trane. I think that if you were to pose this
> >comparison to the musicians in the same circuit as Dave and Cuong,
> you'd
> >get a little chuckle.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -----------------------
> >
> >I'll recomend Cuong's upcoming Knit gig as well. This is guaranteed to
> >be a great show.
> >
> >-Sangeetaj
> >
>
> Well, pardon my perception..I'm fairly well up to speed on Dave Douglas
and digging Cuong.... I don't think the comparison gap as you state above
is at the Trane -Shorter level.....! Would Dave and Cuong really chuckle
or is that an assumption ? Would the chuckle indicate ignorance on the
listener's part ? I mean, i love their collective musical output but am i
supposed to feel like an idiot cause i detect similarities in style and
phrasing ? ......
glenn
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:34:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Subject: Pete Cosey
The edition of Power Tools with Cosey did a syndicated radio broadcast,
unless I'm misremembering part of the short-lived Knitting Factory show.
Somewhere that I'll never be able to find this year I have a tape. Cosey
seemed pretty sedate, at least compared to his earlier work.
Cosey fans might want to know that he's on the recently reissued "Electric
Mud" by Muddy Waters (on MCA).
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:37:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Dance for Le Corbusier
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote:
> The quote in question is criticizing the value of writing analtically
> about music, which, as with just about anything we like, has roots deeper
> than what can be explained.
Which does not necessarily negate the value of trying . . . (Does
explanation have to be analytical?)
Chris Hamilton
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:12:35 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas/Cuong Vu
> Well, pardon my perception..I'm fairly well up to speed on Dave Douglas
> and digging Cuong.... I don't think the comparison gap as you state above
> is at the Trane -Shorter level.....! Would Dave and Cuong really chuckle
> or is that an assumption ? Would the chuckle indicate ignorance on the
> listener's part ? I mean, i love their collective musical output but am i
> supposed to feel like an idiot cause i detect similarities in style and
> phrasing ? ......
>
> glenn
I just got back from a three month vacation and am reading this so
forgive me if what I say has been said.
I am very familiar with Dave Douglas and I have heard Cuong Vu on
Laster's CD, the Saft/Vu disc and Dave Douglas' new Salto Mortale
project. I think much of the reason these two demand comparison is
because they play a very similar style of music. However, I agree with
Glenn here... I think they do indeed sound similar. I mean gosh, Bobby
Previte and Joey Baron play similar kinds of music and I don't think
they sound a like. Hank Roberts and Erik Friedlander likewise. I think
Vu has some serious Douglas influence in him. I can't wait to see what
he does with that influence in the future.
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:29:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: mool@sirius.com (Allan)
Subject: Re: Cosmic Invention
> Someone want to fill me in on a psychedelic group called "Cosmic Invention".
>They suposedly have a record on "The Now Sound". Isn't that the label that
>realeased a Ruins CD?
> All I know about the group is it contains the following members;
>Okano Futoshi
>Uzawa Kounosuke
>Kurihara Michio
>Batoh Masaki <-- name sound familiar..isn't he one of the original members
> of Ghost....I know its something to do with PSF.
>Kotoh Jun
>Fuji
>
> thanks
>mike
>mhowes@best.com
OK, some info on Cosmic Invention, who do have a cd on The Now Sound (no
Ruins records ever on that label though, perhaps you're thinking of the
label NG?): The band is a Japanese psychedelic supergroup of sorts,
playing 60's style heavy/jammy/spacy stuff (including even a Boz Scaggs
cover). The band does feature Masaki Batoh of Ghost fame (who has a couple
solo lps out on The Now Sound), as is also as semi-legendary guitarist
Michio Kurihara who participates both in Ghost and the band White Heaven.
(And yes, both Ghost and White Heaven have recorded for Tokyo psych/free
music label PSF). A couple of the others in Cosmic Invention are Ghosts as
well. Drummer Futoshi Okano is from one of my all time favorite Japanese
bands, heavy rockers Subvert Blaze (R.I.P.) and is playing with Ghost on
their current tour, which just passed through where I live, San Francisco.
They played a lovely, mellow acoustic set at the store where I work
(Aquarius), and, the night before, a *really* great full-on electric one at
the Kilowatt Club, where Kurihara really got to show off his truly John
Cipollina/Quicksilver Messenger Service-derived sound, particularily on the
Cosmic Invention songs they played (for anyone who was there, the really
heavy number where Batoh sang "the sky is falling", right before the
encore, that's on the Cosmic Invention disc). Batoh's hurdy gurdy playing
was also a highlight! Oh, and Futoshi Okano's occasional use of a giant
gong was a crowd pleaser too.
I think Cosmic Invention is a pretty cool band, it took a couple spins of
their cd for me to really decide that 'cause it has some meandering
moments, but overall I like it a lot. If you're already a Ghost fan and
want to experience more of their, um, Led Zepplinish side, then check it
out. I'd also really recommend the Masaki Batoh solo cd (it's both of his
solo lps on one disc) "Collected Works 1995-1996" on The Now Sound, for
some very beautiful folk/psych & ambient drone/noise.
ps I don't think this has a whole lot to do with John Zorn, though...
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