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zorn-list Digest      Wednesday, August 27 1997      Volume 02 : Number 112



In this issue:

    No subject
    Re: Zorn-List Frequently Asked Questions (was Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #110 (Patton on Leng Tche))
    Re: Tony Williams
    Re: Tony Williams
    Parachute?
    Bar Kokhba translations
    Miles Davis imports, Masada 8, Dave Douglas
    re: Miles imports
    re: Miles imports
    Metatron
    re: Miles imports
    Re: Miles imports
    Re: Miles imports
    before Cuong Vu-9/2 7pm
    Re: Miles imports
    masada 4?
    napalm death peel sessions
    Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #111
    Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #110

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:37:33 -0700
From: Schwitterz <[e-mail]>
Subject: No subject

Whenever I try to listen to Knitting Factory Live on the Internet I
cannot connect.  I always get "Server Does Not Respond."  KF folks do
not respond to my queries either. Can anyone help me?

Sz

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Zorn-List Frequently Asked Questions (was Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #110 (Patton on Leng Tche))

Steve Smith, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>Actually, someone might want to jump in here and let all the new
>folks... I've noticed several lately, a good sign... know just where the
>FAQ is available.  I, for one, can't remember...

    Taking Steve's kick in the pants, I finally
    web-ified the zorn-list FAQ and put it up
    on my server at

    http://www.browbeat.com/zornlist/faq.html

    Please check it out (I incorporated many
    of the privately emailed suggestions from
    this past winter) and let me know of
    any errors or additions you would like
    to see.

    I'm most happy when someone suggests a new
    question who also writes the answer.  :)

    enjoy,
    mike
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 03:57:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tony Williams

I couldn't help but point out that Tony Williams could more than merely
appreciate avant garde, he was way into it in the sixties. In fact
recording two albums of way out stuff with an early version of Liftime
that featured Gary Peacock (who was at the time playing in Alber Ayler's
trio) Richard Davis,  Bobby Hutcherson, Sam Rivers, and Herbie Hancock.
______________________________________________________________________________
Scott McLemore



On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Scott Russell wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Scott Russell wrote:
> >
> > > Even though he is not directly involved in the music we discuss here,
> > > it's still a sad day indeed. I reckon he was one of the great
> > > drummers. I saw him at The Glasgow Jazz Festival a few years ago and
> > > he was still playing up a storm.
> >
> > To be a bit of a trainspotter, I'll point out that yes, Williams was
> > directly related to the music we discuss here.  He appeared last year on
> > the Arcana CD with Bill Laswell and Derek Bailey.  It was nice to see that
> > he could appreciate the avant garde.
> >
> > RIP,
> >
> Paul
>
> You are, of course, correct. I have the Arcana CD and I was thinking
> it could have been an interesting new direction for him. After all he
> was one of the people who freed jazz drumming from standard
> timekeeping. Williams had a sixth sense for  space and tension in
> music that left mostdrummers atnding. I also thought his drumming on
> Arcana was less adventurous than in other bands; check out Miles
> Complete live at the Plugged Nickle if you want to hear a band go from
> fairly straight ahead jazz to free form explorations in the space of
> two days! The Arcana disc is,however, the result of only one meeting
> of the players involved.
>
> Scott.
>

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:31:18 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tony Williams

scott mclemore wrote:

> I couldn't help but point out that Tony Williams could more than
> merely
> appreciate avant garde, he was way into it in the sixties. In fact
> recording two albums of way out stuff with an early version of Liftime
>
> that featured Gary Peacock (who was at the time playing in Alber
> Ayler's
> trio) Richard Davis,  Bobby Hutcherson, Sam Rivers, and Herbie
> Hancock.
> ________
> _____________________________________________________________________

I can tell you from first hand experience that when the Tony Williams
Lifetime "Emergency" 2 LP set was released, it had quite an impact.  It
probably matched "Bitches Brew" in jaw dropping awe.  I remember my
reaction being WHAT IS THIS!  Give me more!  Too bad there wasn't much
more, but McLaughlin, Larry Young, and Tony were as avant garde in their
way as anything that Zorn et al have done today.  I still think it's one
of the great albums, only Tony's laughable vocals mar the work.
:Luckily he doesn't "sing" much.  The terrible garage sound also added
to the raw energy.  This may be McLaughlin's best electric work, too.
And Larry Young's organ work brought that instrument out of the Jimmy
Smith groove and into  post Coltrane.    Classic stuff.  Tony is missed.

Alan

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:56:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marc Lambert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Parachute?

I came into the discussion late. Can someone pls tell me what this box set
is? You can email me directly in case this is annoying backtracking
clutter. Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:30:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Aaron Hertzmann)
Subject: Bar Kokhba translations

Someone on this list was recently asking about the titles of various
Masada tracks.  Here are the translations provided by my stepfather,
back in October:

> Who was Bar Kokhba?

The leader of the rebelion against Rome in 140AD.

Disc 1:

Gevurah - Heroism
Nezikin - Damagaes (a name of a book in the Talmud)
Mahshav - Thought
Rokhev - Rider
Abidan - ???
Sheloshim - 30
Hath-Arob - ???
Paran - A place in the Sinai desert
Mahlah - Disease
Socoh - ???
Yechida - Unit
Bikkurim - Visit
Idalah-Abal - ???

Disc 2:

Tannaim - Sages that wrote the Mishnah
Nefesh - Soul
Abidan - ???
Mo'ed - Time
Maskil - Learned
Mishpatim - Laws
Sansanah - ???
Shear-Jashub - Returning (from the Diaspora)
Mahshav - Thought
Sheloshim - 30
Mochin - Protesters
Karaim - A jewish sect that believes only in the bible.

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:11:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Broken <[e-mail]>
Subject: Miles Davis imports, Masada 8, Dave Douglas

Sorry for the non-zorn content but does anyone know of an on-line source
for the recent Japanese Miles Davis reissues? I've managed to find On The
Corner, In a Silent Way, and Get Up With it at some local stores but
haven't found much else in the way of electric Miles. I really want Jack
Johnson!

In case you don't know what I'm talking about... Sony Japan has reissued a
lot of the Miles Davis backcatalog (how much I'm not sure) with beautiful
cardboard reproductions of the original cover art. They've got high
quality graphics and tough cardboard sleaves--not like those
'enviromentally friendly' digi-craps. 20 bit remasterd and even has an
insert with liner notes that you wish you could read, just like the first
Masada discs ;) While we're at it can anyone comment on the recent US
reissues of Dark Magus ,etc. I've got the old Japanese cds of Dark Magus
and I was wondering if it was worth an upgrade.

Hrm.. should throw some Zorn content in here.
Picked up Masada 8 this weekend at Downtown Music Gallery. $16, Woo hoo!
The owner said that they've been selling like hotcakes and are almost out.
(I think he said 100 in the past 2 weeks?) He also said that DMG would be
offering some sort of deal on the Parachute box, so email 'em for details.

I also saw  Dave Douglas' Sanctuary but didn't pick it u. Too much to
listen to at the moment! It's got great cover art, though. I've got a
question for those in the NY area. Back in Feb. or March Douglas played a
small gig in a loft type place in the downtown area. It was a trio with
himself, Yuka Honda (I think) on sampler, and er... a bass player. Does
anyone have any idea what group this was and if they plan on recording? My
friend went to the gig but he's terrible at remembering names/specifics.

thanks,

Howie

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:30:02 -0500
From: clockwise <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Miles imports

>...can anyone comment on the recent US reissues of Dark Magus ,etc.

If by 'recent' you mean the ones from two years ago (EvilLive, etc) they
are just the Japanese discs with a U.S. barcode slapped on, so don't bother.

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:17:53 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: re: Miles imports

At 2:30 PM 8/26/97, clockwise wrote:
>>...can anyone comment on the recent US reissues of Dark Magus ,etc.
>
>If by 'recent' you mean the ones from two years ago (EvilLive, etc) they
>are just the Japanese discs with a U.S. barcode slapped on, so don't bother.

No, recent as in the last month or so, there were new US re-issues of Dark
Magus, Black Beauty, Live in Concert and a few others, newly remastered and
with new liner notes. I got Black Beauty, which sounds way better than the
tape I have of the Japanese CD. I'm curious about how much they improved
the sound of Dark Magus, I bought the ridiculously-priced Japanese CD's and
it's one of favorite electric Miles records.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:30:11 +0000
From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Metatron

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Dear all

Further to my recent posting, it seems no one is very much interested in
the Praxis Metatron disc I have for exchange. Before I give up and
assume this is just a deeply unhip disc, or everyone already has it, let
me emphasise that this copy is one of the Rockit special editions with
the rubber spike cover.

I'll assume a roaring silence to be an indication of no interest, mind
you,someone has just replied to a posting I made back in February...

Scott Russell
- --
Without  theory all we have  is opinion  and  shopping.  Chris Cutler
- --MimeMultipartBoundary--

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:16:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: Miles imports

The reissued 20-bit 70s Miles, like Magus, Live-Evil, Black Beauty, etc.
are in fact new (1997).  If you like Bitches Brew, on the Corner,
Pangea-era stuff, you'll like them.  Also, the y have new liner notes, and
the packaging is generally excellent.  Sound too.

On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, clockwise wrote:

> >...can anyone comment on the recent US reissues of Dark Magus ,etc.
>
> If by 'recent' you mean the ones from two years ago (EvilLive, etc) they
> are just the Japanese discs with a U.S. barcode slapped on, so don't bother.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:29:55 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Miles imports

> No, recent as in the last month or so, there were new US re-issues of
> Dark
> Magus, Black Beauty, Live in Concert and a few others, newly
> remastered and
> with new liner notes. I got Black Beauty, which sounds way better than
> the
> tape I have of the Japanese CD. I'm curious about how much they
> improved
> the sound of Dark Magus, I bought the ridiculously-priced Japanese
> CD's and
> it's one of favorite electric Miles records.
>

Dark Magus was originally released in Japan on CD quite some time ago,
late 80s as I recall.  At the time it cost me about $50.  I still have
it, and don't see any reason to buy the new one, as by then they were
pretty good about mastering.  Actually, I always thought Miles electric
music sounded better a little grungy.  This music is raw, especially
D.M.  because Miles had two guys play that night with the band for the
first time ever.  They were Azar Lawrence ( from McCoy Tyner's
Enlightenment quartet) and Dominique Gaumont.  It was sort of an onstage
audition, though Azar never played with Miles again.  He was 20 at the
time, Gaumont just 18.  Miles spends quite a bit of D.M. noodling on the
organ as the only keyboard.  Three guitars.  Of the five releases, it's
probably second to Live-Evil, in my humble opinion.  BTW, all of them
were released in Japan in the 80s.

Alan

>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:32:53 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Miles imports

from Alan Kayser
- ----------
>> >
>
> Dark Magus was originally released in Japan on CD quite some time ago,
> late 80s as I recall.  At the time it cost me about $50.  I still have
> it, and don't see any reason to buy the new one, as by then they were
> pretty good about mastering.  Actually, I always thought Miles electric
> music sounded better a little grungy.  This music is raw, especially
> D.M.  because Miles had two guys play that night with the band for the
> first time ever.  They were Azar Lawrence ( from McCoy Tyner's
> Enlightenment quartet) and Dominique Gaumont.  It was sort of an onstage
> audition, though Azar never played with Miles again.  He was 20 at the
> time, Gaumont just 18.  Miles spends quite a bit of D.M. noodling on the
> organ as the only keyboard.  Three guitars.  Of the five releases, it's
> probably second to Live-Evil, in my humble opinion.  BTW, all of them
> were released in Japan in the 80s.
>
> Alan
>
> >
> Pete Cosey is in fine form on this date ! According to Dave Liebman's
liner notes this was sort of a sub-par performance although i don't see
it.... I think this cd (Carnegie Hall) typifies what Miles was into during
this period.....btw, what ever happened to Pete Cosey ? Wasn't he fairly
active in the NYC downtown scene ?

glenn
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:18:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: before Cuong Vu-9/2 7pm

    If anyone is interested in checking out a show before Cuong
Vu...in the Alterknit Theatre.....i will be performing a composition of
mine called 'Remembrance' @ 7pm.
    Its for live elec. guitar and bowed bass with prerecorded texts
and soundscapes.....its a piece about the Holocaust....it takes a look
at various events of the Holocaust such as Kristallnacht, the train
convoys to Auschwitz, Hitler and the gas chambers....each section
extracts personal accounts from survivors, orders given  S.S. police,
pieces of Hitler speeches and adds sound environments and live music,
drawing influences from eastern european Jewish music styles to dark
ambient walls of sound to rage filled drum samples....also features text
by Lynne Tillman, the same text that appears in Zorn's Kristallnacht CD
liner notes.....
    hope all you NYC area folk can make it.....

    Geoff


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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:48:24 -0500
From: Richard C Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Miles imports

Glenn Astarita wrote:
>.btw, what ever happened to Pete Cosey ? Wasn't he fairly
> active in the NYC downtown scene ?

    I have a vague reccollection of Pete leading a band during the
(sorely-missed) New Jazz at The Public series, in the early 80's, But I
do remember that in the late 80's, when Bill Frisell was too busy to
continue with Power Tools, Melvin Gibbs sought Pete out to fill the
guitar chair(BTW, he also considered Adrian Belew!). Upon Pete's
arrival in NY, it became obvious that his eyesight was failing, badly
enough that reading music was out of the question. The addition of a
second guitarist(Ronnie Drayton?) enabled them to play a gig or two, but
that was the last I heard of Pete.

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:27:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jack D Blanton <[e-mail]>
Subject: masada 4?

I appologize if this has been gone over before.  With Masada 4
apparently having been re-issued can one once again send in the proofs
of purchace from 1-3 and get it for free or do I have to pay $20 for
20 min (I do want the material).  Thanks for any help.

JACK

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:22:54 -0700
From: "josh miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: napalm death peel sessions

i know this record was discussed a bit some time back, and i just wanted to
say that i have a copy of this to trade, if anybody is interested....it's
similar to the naked city minutelong thrash/grind stuff..and the cd has
both sessions on it.

anyway, if anybody has anything live or otherwise they'd like to trade,
please contact me soon.
thanks a lot

josh

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:07:38 -0600
From: joshua herrin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #111

> - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:34:02 +1100
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: grand guignol and carny
>
I have both a tape and a score of Zorn's Carny. It is a magnificent
> virtuoso piece in the almost archetypal Zorn manner.
> Stephen Drury sent me a tape and a score here to australia after I
> found his article on the piece in Perspectives On New Music, an academic
> journal, Summer 1995 or 1994 i think.

So, just what would it take to get a copy of the tape and score from
you?.....

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:17:50 -0600
From: joshua herrin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #110

> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:09:12 -0400 (EDT)
> From: [e-mail]
> Subject: Yamataka
>
> Does anyone know any info on Yamataka Eye?
> Anything would be very helpful.

Yamatsuka Eye aka Yamantaka Eye aka Eye Yamatsuka aka Eye Yamantaka is
first and formost the lead screamer (?) for Boredoms, a great (hope I
don't start another long discussion) band from Japan. They have several
albums out, all of which I think are particularly good, with the
exception of their "Super Roots" stuff (Super Roots, Super Roots 99 &
Super Roots 6), which I tend to think is pretty much just crap (there's
another discussion). He has also done numerous projects with Zorn,
including Naked City, Nani Nani, and group efforts. He is also in UFO or
Die, and started the noise outfit the Hanatarash. The Banafish website
(sorry, I don't know the address) has 2 really great articles on him.

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