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zorn-list Digest Friday, August 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 107
In this issue:
Back on Bacharach
beating (was: Beauty)
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: Back on Bacharach
G.zero/E. Kang reviews
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: beating (was: Beauty)
Re: Parachute years or Masada?
Re: Parachute years or Masada?
short albums a rip-off? (was:Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
Oswald (was: Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
Re: Zorn's Interviews
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:07:13 -0400
From: max <max@newmassmedia.com>
Subject: Back on Bacharach
I've been listening to the tribute cd quite a bit lately and was
wondering if someone could give me some info. on a few of the players I
hadn't heard before. I was most impressed with the arrangements by Erik
Friedlander, Marie McAuliffe, and Eyvind Kang... Does anyone know what
else these fine musicians have done? Yuka Honda and Guy Klucevsek are
also great and I would like to know more about. Any help would be much
appreciated...
Max
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:19:29 -0400
From: "Ockham's stubble" <boshuck@triples.math.mcgill.ca>
Subject: beating (was: Beauty)
Oups! What do you mean by that ("begrudges your hurling bolders from that
pile o shards)?
think of it as my being nice -- less time spent casting about for
something to conveniently refuse to understand.
> > how can one `stretch' the meaning of the word beauty when it is
> > defined by reference to the beholder?
>
> Yes, you are right. I even know people who claim that Kenny G's music
> is beautiful.
>
> Do you have a list of all the words that are "defined by reference
> to the beholder". Or maybe, it might be easier, the list of the ones
> that are not defined by the beholder (if any...)? As you can see, I
> am fairly short on this topic of what is and what is not.
>
> Patrice.
i think you're right that all words are defined by the speaker, but the
degree to which this matters much tends to vary directly as the `degree of
abstractness' in the concept being denoted. in other words, you (usually)
don't see people arguing about what a shoe is.
mmmm, commitment to the idea of words being actually defined, even in
a instance, by a single speaker (willfully?), sheds some light on the
delightfully harmless confessions made of not understanding derrida.
- -b
(who couldn't define shoe to save his mother)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:40:27 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
max wrote:
> I've been listening to the tribute cd quite a bit lately and was
> wondering if someone could give me some info. on a few of the players
> I
> hadn't heard before. I was most impressed with the arrangements by
> Erik
> Friedlander, Marie McAuliffe, and Eyvind Kang... Does anyone know what
>
> else these fine musicians have done? Yuka Honda and Guy Klucevsek are
> also great and I would like to know more about. Any help would be much
>
> appreciated...
>
> Max
Erik Friedlander has two excellent CDs with the same group of
musicians used on the Bacharach. They are: The Watchman (Tzadik) and
Chimera (Avant). I think the Friedlander is the best thing on the
Bacharach, and if you like "Promises" then I can promise you that his
solo work will please you. He has also appeared on many other
recordings, including the Dave Douglas string group, Myra Melford's Same
River Twice, Ned Rothenberg's Power Lines, John Zorn's Masada String
Group. Eyvind Kang appears on Bill Frisell's Quartet and has a solo CD
on Tzadik. Yuka Honda is on the new Dave Douglas "Sanctuary" 2CD set
and plays in Sean Lennon's band.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:45:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, max wrote:
> I've been listening to the tribute cd quite a bit lately and was
> wondering if someone could give me some info. on a few of the players I
> hadn't heard before. I was most impressed with the arrangements by Erik
> Friedlander, Marie McAuliffe, and Eyvind Kang... Does anyone know what
> else these fine musicians have done?
Well, Erik Friedlander has released 2 CDs with his Chimera group, the one
heard on the Bacharach record. The 1st, "Chimera", is good, but I can't
say enough about the second one "The Watchman". It's part of the Radical
Jewish Culture series on Tzadik, and explores a great variety of what I
might call "improvised chamber music" based on Jewish themes. Totally
incredible compositions and ensemble playing. Look for it. Find out all
you ever wanted to know about Erik and his projects at
<www.erikfriedlander.com>.
Eyvind Kang is a member of Bill Frisell's semi-new quartet, I know he's
released a couple of things under his own name, including one as part of
the Tzadik composer series. Anybody out there heard any of his stuff?
> Yuka Honda and Guy Klucevsek are also great and I would like to know
> more about.
Yuka Honda plays sampler in the excellent group Cibo Matto. Crazy noisy
Japanese hiphop. A pretty pathetic description really, let it suffice to
say that they're very cool. She's also on Dave Douglas' new record
"Sanctuary".
Guy Klucevsek is pretty much the man. He's all over everywhere. Look for
"Transylvanian Software", a wonderful CD of solo-accordian pieces (including
tunes by our men Zorn and Frith). I've also heard him with Bill Frisell
and Anthony Braxton, he seems to be in his element pretty much anywhere
really. He's got a number of other recording under his own name in
addition to the one mentioned above, what I've heard of them is very good,
but "Transylvanian Software" really blows me away...
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:01:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: SlightAche@aol.com
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj: Re: Back on Bacharach
Date: 97-08-22 10:01:04 EDT
From: SlightAche
To: rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
CC: Mmottel,Dymaxus
CC: aabrams@springer-ny.com
In a message dated 97-08-22 09:50:04 EDT, you write:
> > I've been listening to the tribute cd quite a bit lately and was
> > wondering if someone could give me some info. on a few of the players I
> > hadn't heard before. I was most impressed with the arrangements by Erik
> > Friedlander, Marie McAuliffe, and Eyvind Kang... Does anyone know what
> > else these fine musicians have done?
Have begun to hear some rumblings about an upcoming gig @ the Merkin Hall,
NYC: two sets put together by Zorn, including Friedlander, Anthony Coleman,
John Medeski, Billy Martin, Chris Wood, Ikue Mori, Marc Ribot, etc.
More info to follow (like date, etc.), but it's smelling like a little
Bacharach tribute gig, don't you think?
PWK
(ppoc)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matt Colonnese)
Subject: G.zero/E. Kang reviews
With appologies to those also on droneon, I figured I'd post these relevant
reviews here also:
Ground Zero _Conflagration_ Creative man disks. A remix on _Consume: Red_
which i really like (a long droning hojok sample with noise burst which
builds into metal stomp then noise), this is (of course) inconsistent.
Stock, hausen and walkman do four nice mixes, one a summary of the whole
piece, and other stretches and investigations of it, Gastr del Sol (I think
just Jim?)does the usual reduction to bare audibility and adds a few noises
and cd skips, Violent Onsen Geisha seems to forget there is an original
piece involved so make their own track which is typical (and boring), and
Bob Osterang goes for the big noise fest, pretty indistinguished, but I've
only listened to it once.
Eyvind Kang _Sweetnes of Sickness_ Rabid God Inoculator. More single
minded than his Tzadik disk, this one focus on the noise monger in Eyvind.
Most tracks consist of blaring noise in the background and some degraded
take on an easy listening tune in the foreground, or an easy listening
background with noisey violin in the foreground. It started off strong for
me, but the lack of variety was tiring, none of the nice symphony stuff
from the Tzadik disk for breaks. Scott Colburn produced and played on a
track, but I was hard pressed to hear anyone other than Eyvinds squeaky
hinged violin.
- ------
"Finally, something that would bring people together...even if it kept them
apart, spatially."
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:13:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "k. drudge" <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
> "Transylvanian Software", a wonderful CD of solo-accordian pieces (including
actually, it's `softwear' unimportant, yes; irrelevant, perhaps.
i agree that it's great. in particular, the recording of zorn's
`roadrunner' on this disc is an incredible feat (if i understand the liner
notes correctly, it's actually recorded in one go, unlike the version on
manhattan cascade).
kluscevsek also plays on a bunch of bill frisell discs from the days when
he was recording with don byron, joey baron etc.
i know that `have a little faith' and `this land' fall into this category,
and i think that there is at least one more.
keldon
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:30:30 -0700
From: Schwitterz <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
> kluscevsek also plays on a bunch of bill frisell discs
One day I was watching Mr. Rogers with my kids and the guest that day
was Guy Kluscevsek! Mr. Rogers had him play a bit, then asked him to
play music that sounded like various emotions. It was hilarious.
Sz
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=D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:29:17 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
k. drudge wrote:
> > "Transylvanian Software", a wonderful CD of solo-accordian pieces
> kluscevsek also plays on a bunch of bill frisell discs from the days
> when
> he was recording with don byron, joey baron etc.
> i know that `have a little faith' and `this land' fall into this
> category,
> and i think that there is at least one more.
>
He does not play on "This Land." He does play on Anthony Braxton's
"Four (Ensemble)Compositions", Zorn's "Big Gundown", and Bobby Previte's
"Claude's Late Morning." I don't know if Kluscevsek has much to do with
it, but these are all, including the Frisell, worth hearing. Of course,
just about anything these guys do is worth hearing. He is pretty much a
bit player on the Braxton, Zorn, and Previte works, but is prominent on
the Frisell.
Alan
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:30:40 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:40:27 -0400 "ALAN E. KAYSER" wrote:
>
> max wrote:
>
> > I've been listening to the tribute cd quite a bit lately and was
> > wondering if someone could give me some info. on a few of the players
> > I
> > hadn't heard before. I was most impressed with the arrangements by
> > Erik
> > Friedlander, Marie McAuliffe, and Eyvind Kang... Does anyone know what
> >
> > else these fine musicians have done? Yuka Honda and Guy Klucevsek are
> > also great and I would like to know more about. Any help would be much
> >
> > appreciated...
> >
> > Max
>
> Erik Friedlander has two excellent CDs with the same group of
> musicians used on the Bacharach. They are: The Watchman (Tzadik) and
> Chimera (Avant). I think the Friedlander is the best thing on the
> Bacharach, and if you like "Promises" then I can promise you that his
> solo work will please you. He has also appeared on many other
> recordings, including the Dave Douglas string group, Myra Melford's Same
> River Twice, Ned Rothenberg's Power Lines, John Zorn's Masada String
> Group. Eyvind Kang appears on Bill Frisell's Quartet and has a solo CD
> on Tzadik. Yuka Honda is on the new Dave Douglas "Sanctuary" 2CD set
> and plays in Sean Lennon's band.
Yuka Honda is before everything else 50% of Cibo Matto, a fairly enjoyable
and catchy rock band.
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:40:21 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: beating (was: Beauty)
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:19:29 -0400 "Ockham's stubble" wrote:
>
> mmmm, commitment to the idea of words being actually defined, even in
> a instance, by a single speaker (willfully?), sheds some light on the
> delightfully harmless confessions made of not understanding derrida.
Understanding Derrida? You might be joking, right?
Patrice (who forgot the last time somebody in France raised the
issue of "undertanding Derrida")
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parachute years or Masada?
In a message dated 8/22/97 7:23:55 AM, srussell@cims.co.uk (Scott Russell)
wrote:
<<I'm sure there's no one on this list who
wouldn't welcome a 6 or 7 disc set of unreleased NC, Painkiller, Big
Gundown or Masada type Zorn>>
Well, I for one wouldn't. I feel like the nine Masada records I have
(including the boot on Jazz Door) is plenty, quite frankly. I'm way more
interested in hearing Zorn's early period stuff. Records like Yankees and
Harras are way more interesting and unique for me than the umpteenth Masada
record. Quite honestly, I'm surprised Zorn has continued the Masada project
this long considering his past history of exploring concepts for a few years
and abandoning them.
If the AMM and King Ubu comparisons for the Parachute material are legit, I'm
even more psyched for this box than I was before. What I'm curious about is
how many of the 1000 boxes will be bought by people on this list.
Cynical Hysterie Hour lives up to the hype, by the way. Only 25 minutes but
highly recommended.
Jon
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:24:00 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Parachute years or Masada?
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JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/22/97 7:23:55 AM, srussell@cims.co.uk (Scott Russell)
> wrote:
>
> <<I'm sure there's no one on this list who
> wouldn't welcome a 6 or 7 disc set of unreleased NC, Painkiller, Big
> Gundown or Masada type Zorn>>
>
> Well, I for one wouldn't. I feel like the nine Masada records I have
> (including the boot on Jazz Door) is plenty,
I was actually meaning a combined box not one for each band, god
forbid...
quite frankly. I'm way more
> interested in hearing Zorn's early period stuff. Records like Yankees and
> Harras are way more interesting and unique for me than the umpteenth Masada
> record. Quite honestly, I'm surprised Zorn has continued the Masada project
> this long considering his past history of exploring concepts for a few years
> and abandoning them.
Perhaps he's documenting the rest of those 100 tunes that the Masada
project was supposed to consist of.
>
> If the AMM and King Ubu comparisons for the Parachute material are legit, I'm
> even more psyched for this box than I was before. What I'm curious about is
> how many of the 1000 boxes will be bought by people on this list.
Well there's me for one.
>
> Cynical Hysterie Hour lives up to the hype, by the way. Only 25 minutes but
> highly recommended.
>
I'd have to agree, it's a worthy investment even though it is short.
Which brings me to another point, does anybody else feel a little
aggrieved every time they buy an Avant or Tzadik disc and find it's less
than 30 mins long? I don't mean to say all discs must be a full 74
minutes or that quantity is the only criteria but when you have to shell
out for expensive Japanese imports it would be nice to be warned that
they are perhaps a tad short. Shock Corridor, Mystic Fugu Orchestra,
Filmworks 2 (or is it 3?) and Plexure spring to mind immediately.
Scott Russell.
- --
Without theory all we have is opinion and shopping. Chris Cutler
- --MimeMultipartBoundary--
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:41:11 +0100 (BST)
From: "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" <amg@cs.stir.ac.uk>
Subject: short albums a rip-off? (was:Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
>> Cynical Hysterie Hour lives up to the hype, by the way. Only 25 minutes
>but
>> highly recommended.
>>
>I'd have to agree, it's a worthy investment even though it is short.
>Which brings me to another point, does anybody else feel a little
>aggrieved every time they buy an Avant or Tzadik disc and find it's less
>than 30 mins long? I don't mean to say all discs must be a full 74
>minutes or that quantity is the only criteria but when you have to shell
>out for expensive Japanese imports it would be nice to be warned that
>they are perhaps a tad short. Shock Corridor, Mystic Fugu Orchestra,
>Filmworks 2 (or is it 3?) and Plexure spring to mind immediately.
I'd have to disagree, actually. Is a big painting better than a small one?
I've never felt dissatisfaction with the length of, say, mike patton's pranzo
oltranzista (30 mins), or painkiller (what was it, 22 mins?). On the other
hand, many's the time i've felt an album to be too long.
The only one i felt slightly aggrieved about was Masada IV, but of course
that was meant to be a free giveaway in any case.
alan
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:43:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Oswald (was: Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
In a message dated 8/22/97 1:30:17 PM, srussell@cims.co.uk wrote:
<<Which brings me to another point, does anybody else feel a little
aggrieved every time they buy an Avant or Tzadik disc and find it's less
than 30 mins long? I don't mean to say all discs must be a full 74
minutes or that quantity is the only criteria but when you have to shell
out for expensive Japanese imports it would be nice to be warned that
they are perhaps a tad short. Shock Corridor, Mystic Fugu Orchestra,
Filmworks 2 (or is it 3?) and Plexure spring to mind immediately.>>
Well, I've always thought of Plexure as a full-length record JPEGed down to
the twenty or so minutes that it actually is. There are more ideas on that
record than there are on most 70 minute CDs, if you ask me.
Anyone know what John Oswald has been up to since the Grateful Dead project?
Jon
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:22:58 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Interviews
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT) chad edwards wrote:
>
> I have have been looking for interviews with J.Z.
> but have had little luck finding any. any suggestions?
Did you really look hard? Few should be fairly easy to find:
* American Composers - Dialogues on Contemporary Music, by Edward
Strickland
Contains an interview of John Zorn by Edward Strickland (pp. 124-140)
Indiana University Press, 1991 (ISBN 0-253-35498-6)
* Soundpieces 2: Interviews With American Composers, by Cole Gagne
Interview by Cole Gagne followed by a discography (pp. 507-542)
The Scarecrow Press, 1993 (ISBN 0-8108-2710-7)
* Talking Music: Conversations with American Experimental Composers, by
William Duckworth
Interview by William Duckworth (pp. 444-475)
Schirmer Books (USA), 1995 (ISBN 0-02-870823-7)
Hope it helps,
Patrice.
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