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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #108
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Precedence:
zorn-list Digest Friday, August 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 108
In this issue:
RE: Zorn's Interviews
Re: Parachute years or Masada?
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: Beauty
Re: Back on Bacharach
Re: Beauty
Re: Zorn's Interviews
Re: short albums a rip-off? (was:Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
Re: Pieces
Re: short albums a rip-off? (was:Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
Re: Parachute years or Masada?
Re: Beauty
Re: Oswald (was: Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
Re: Oswald (was: Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
Zorn interviews
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #106
Beauty
list or articles on Zorn
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:26:07 -0700
From: mike burma <rizzi@grin.net>
Subject: RE: Zorn's Interviews
From: chad edwards
Subject: Zorn's Interviews
> I have have been looking for interviews with J.Z.
>but have had little luck finding any. any suggestions?
I did one with him in the early 90's that I
published in the first issue of my zine. You
can check it out on the web at www.browbeat.com
Mike Burma
Shameless Self-promoter
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:33:41 +0200
From: "gschwend d. atelier" <gdafl@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: Parachute years or Masada?
can't remember who actually started the parachute/masada discussion; but
this is my first mail to the list anyway.
as anyone can tell, the opinions on the initial question are very
different. i'm lucky enough to have one of the, as far as i know limited
to 1000, "archery" vinyl copies. and i must admit, i've only listened to
it once or twice. it's definitely totally different to nc, painkiller,
etc. and i think it's even more difficult to "digest" as e.g. "yankees".
i agree with jon abbey that nine masada releases are (more than) enough
for me (i actually stopped buying them after the 3rd one came out). i
like zorn's initial idea to make one cd per hebrew letter, but think
that he could have at least used a different line-up on some of the
masada cds; e.g. the one feat. ribot that i absolutely loved live in
concert.
even though i'm a huge fan of zorn, i think he's recently been trying to
make as much money as possible out of his popularity. i cannot
understand this, since i feel that the quality of some of the works went
down with the quantity. (i hope i'm not starting too big a discussion
with this last statement.)
patRice.
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/22/97 7:23:55 AM, srussell@cims.co.uk (Scott Russell)
> wrote:
>
> <<I'm sure there's no one on this list who
> wouldn't welcome a 6 or 7 disc set of unreleased NC, Painkiller, Big
> Gundown or Masada type Zorn>>
>
> Well, I for one wouldn't. I feel like the nine Masada records I have
> (including the boot on Jazz Door) is plenty, quite frankly. I'm way more
> interested in hearing Zorn's early period stuff. Records like Yankees and
> Harras are way more interesting and unique for me than the umpteenth Masada
> record. Quite honestly, I'm surprised Zorn has continued the Masada project
> this long considering his past history of exploring concepts for a few years
> and abandoning them.
>
> If the AMM and King Ubu comparisons for the Parachute material are legit, I'm
> even more psyched for this box than I was before. What I'm curious about is
> how many of the 1000 boxes will be bought by people on this list.
>
> Cynical Hysterie Hour lives up to the hype, by the way. Only 25 minutes but
> highly recommended.
>
> Jon
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:50:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Pleshar <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
Both Guy and Fred Rogers are from Pittsburgh, where the neighborhood is
produced. Maybe they've known each other for a long time?
Ralph
At 08:30 AM 8/22/97 -0700, Schwitterz wrote:
>> kluscevsek also plays on a bunch of bill frisell discs
>
>One day I was watching Mr. Rogers with my kids and the guest that day
>was Guy Kluscevsek! Mr. Rogers had him play a bit, then asked him to
>play music that sounded like various emotions. It was hilarious.
>
>Sz
>
>
>--
>=D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:18:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Beauty
Well, this thread is already out of control, and as much as I'm tempted to
interject my interpretation, I don't think it would accomplish much. But I'll
leave you with a quote, I believe attributable to Frank Zappa: "Writing about
music is like dancing about architecture."
Dale.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:28:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: SlightAche@aol.com
Subject: Re: Back on Bacharach
A lot of posts from Zorn-list are coming through as ASCII text attachments
instead of regular e-mail.
Does anyone else have this problem?
Zorn content -- who on this list has faith in Sean Lennon's ability to
improvise? He's a featured performer at the next Zorn improv night.
PWK
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:40:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Beauty
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
> Well, this thread is already out of control, and as much as I'm tempted to
> interject my interpretation, I don't think it would accomplish much. But I'll
> leave you with a quote, I believe attributable to Frank Zappa: "Writing about
> music is like dancing about architecture."
Not *that* quote again! There was a lengthy thread recently on another
list I'm on regarding true authorship of that quote. I'm gonna go with
Mingus just cause he carried a gun.
b
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:19:27 -0700
From: Schwitterz <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Interviews
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT) chad edwards wrote:
> >
> > I have have been looking for interviews with J.Z.
> > but have had little luck finding any. any suggestions?
If you go to The Wire magazine's website they have a search program
whereby you could track down a tense interview of Zorn by Graham Locke a
few years back.
Sz
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:42:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: short albums a rip-off? (was:Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
I feel bad for buying Cynical Hysterie Hour at times because the 18
dollars I paid for it could've fed me for a week. I love the CD, but it
really is short.
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC) wrote:
>
>
> >> Cynical Hysterie Hour lives up to the hype, by the way. Only 25 minutes
> >but
> >> highly recommended.
> >>
>
> >I'd have to agree, it's a worthy investment even though it is short.
> >Which brings me to another point, does anybody else feel a little
> >aggrieved every time they buy an Avant or Tzadik disc and find it's less
> >than 30 mins long? I don't mean to say all discs must be a full 74
> >minutes or that quantity is the only criteria but when you have to shell
> >out for expensive Japanese imports it would be nice to be warned that
> >they are perhaps a tad short. Shock Corridor, Mystic Fugu Orchestra,
> >Filmworks 2 (or is it 3?) and Plexure spring to mind immediately.
>
> I'd have to disagree, actually. Is a big painting better than a small one?
> I've never felt dissatisfaction with the length of, say, mike patton's pranzo
> oltranzista (30 mins), or painkiller (what was it, 22 mins?). On the other
> hand, many's the time i've felt an album to be too long.
>
> The only one i felt slightly aggrieved about was Masada IV, but of course
> that was meant to be a free giveaway in any case.
>
> alan
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:47:00 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <ihvh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pieces
>Just out of curiosity, what is the name of the new studio? Is it still
in
>NYC?
According to the liner notes for Sacred System 2 on the Axiom page, it's
called Orange Music and it's in West Orange, New Jersey. Why, I don't
know. I live in New Jersey and have been through West Orange, and have
never seen a nice section of town!
Dave
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------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:49:39 +0100 (BST)
From: "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" <amg@cs.stir.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: short albums a rip-off? (was:Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU wrote:
>I feel bad for buying Cynical Hysterie Hour at times because the 18
>dollars I paid for it could've fed me for a week. I love the CD, but it
>really is short.
Yeah, but a zorn fan doesnt need FOOD like he needs HYSTERIE HOUR.....
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:50:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: Parachute years or Masada?
Well, that's not the first time I've heard the notion that Zorn may be
playing us all for a buck recently. But I think Masada is the most mature
thing he's done. Sure, the tunes are basically all the same, but the
improvising and chemistry of the players is of a very rare quality in
contemporary music. Most of Zorn's projects don't stay together long
enough to cultivate a strong bond between the players. I
think Masada compares very favorably with the best in improvising groups,
jazz or otherwise.
And if Zorn really does just want more money, maybe he could afford to
start placing Masada CDs at Best Buy so I can them here!
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, gschwend d. atelier wrote:
> can't remember who actually started the parachute/masada discussion; but
> this is my first mail to the list anyway.
>
> as anyone can tell, the opinions on the initial question are very
> different. i'm lucky enough to have one of the, as far as i know limited
> to 1000, "archery" vinyl copies. and i must admit, i've only listened to
> it once or twice. it's definitely totally different to nc, painkiller,
> etc. and i think it's even more difficult to "digest" as e.g. "yankees".
>
> i agree with jon abbey that nine masada releases are (more than) enough
> for me (i actually stopped buying them after the 3rd one came out). i
> like zorn's initial idea to make one cd per hebrew letter, but think
> that he could have at least used a different line-up on some of the
> masada cds; e.g. the one feat. ribot that i absolutely loved live in
> concert.
>
> even though i'm a huge fan of zorn, i think he's recently been trying to
> make as much money as possible out of his popularity. i cannot
> understand this, since i feel that the quality of some of the works went
> down with the quantity. (i hope i'm not starting too big a discussion
> with this last statement.)
>
> patRice.
>
>
> JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 8/22/97 7:23:55 AM, srussell@cims.co.uk (Scott Russell)
> > wrote:
> >
> > <<I'm sure there's no one on this list who
> > wouldn't welcome a 6 or 7 disc set of unreleased NC, Painkiller, Big
> > Gundown or Masada type Zorn>>
> >
> > Well, I for one wouldn't. I feel like the nine Masada records I have
> > (including the boot on Jazz Door) is plenty, quite frankly. I'm way more
> > interested in hearing Zorn's early period stuff. Records like Yankees and
> > Harras are way more interesting and unique for me than the umpteenth Masada
> > record. Quite honestly, I'm surprised Zorn has continued the Masada project
> > this long considering his past history of exploring concepts for a few years
> > and abandoning them.
> >
> > If the AMM and King Ubu comparisons for the Parachute material are legit, I'm
> > even more psyched for this box than I was before. What I'm curious about is
> > how many of the 1000 boxes will be bought by people on this list.
> >
> > Cynical Hysterie Hour lives up to the hype, by the way. Only 25 minutes but
> > highly recommended.
> >
> > Jon
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:51:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: Beauty
I've heard this quote attributed, in various forms, to Elvis Costello and
Laurie Anderson.
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
> Well, this thread is already out of control, and as much as I'm tempted to
> interject my interpretation, I don't think it would accomplish much. But I'll
> leave you with a quote, I believe attributable to Frank Zappa: "Writing about
> music is like dancing about architecture."
>
> Dale.
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:21:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Oswald (was: Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
>
> Anyone know what John Oswald has been up to since the Grateful Dead project?
>
> Jon
Sine? No. But i've heard about a Naked City cut-up he did for the ReR
quaterly music magazine/Cd.
I also seem to remember someone telling me it lasts all of one second or
so? This could be wrong, but then again...
- -jascha
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:30:06 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Oswald (was: Re: Parachute years or Masada?)
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/22/97 1:30:17 PM, srussell@cims.co.uk wrote:
>
> <<Which brings me to another point, does anybody else feel a little
> aggrieved every time they buy an Avant or Tzadik disc and find it's
> less
> than 30 mins long? I don't mean to say all discs must be a full 74
> minutes or that quantity is the only criteria but when you have to
> shell
> out for expensive Japanese imports it would be nice to be warned that
>
> they are perhaps a tad short.
I agree with your statement about CD length. This is an old argument.
I recall the same sort of thing with LPs. However, with CDs the sound
is not affected at all by loading up the disc, so a 25 minute full price
CD is not my cup of tea. I feel I have a choice here, so if it's
something like Masada 4 I choose not to buy it at 18 minutes. There are
now 7 other Masadas, so what's the big deal. I've wanted "Cynical" for
some time now, so my choice is to get it regardless of the short playing
time. You want it, you pay the price. Surely more Filmworks material
is out there, so why not fill the disc? What annoys me more is when the
playing time is not listed, the unsuspecting consumer opens the package
and SOOPRIZE!!!...25 minutes for 15 bucks. This old head of mine
remembers Beatle LPs coming in at about 12-15 minutes a side. And
nobody complained.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:23:33 -0700
From: Jason Edward Kocol <misterlazy@usa.net>
Subject: Zorn interviews
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT) chad edwards wrote:
>
> I have have been looking for interviews with J.Z.
> but have had little luck finding any. any suggestions?
In addition to the fine literature suggestions that Patrice had
listed (which I MUST check out!), there's a good essay ont the internet
which isn't necessarily a question and answer interview, but Zorn is
quoted explaining ideas about his music. It's located at:
"http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/postmodern_culture/v005/5.2mcneilly.html"
I personally found this to be a great essay/article.
Take care,
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2569/Suburban.html
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:14:36 EST
From: gsg@juno.com
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #106
in response to the question about Zorn interviews, check these out:
American Composers: Dialogues on Contemporary Music. Has interveiws with
Zorn, Steve Reich, Keith Jarrett, Meredith Monk, LaMonte Young, Glass,
Riley, John Adams, Anthony Davis, George Crumb, and Ingram Marshall. by
Edward Strickland....its out on Indiana Univ. Press ISBN#0-253-35498-6.
The Zorn interveiw is pretty good...its from Feb. 1988.
also, if you can get your hands on back issues of Option from...i think
late 80's...and an old EAR magazine...i have the EAR
interveiw...somewhere, if i can find it i'll gladly photo copy it for
anyone who wants it...im not gonna type it out to post here!!! :)
thats all i know of...im sure theres many more floating around
somewhere....
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:09:48 -0400
From: "Ockham's stubble" <boshuck@triples.math.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Beauty
TagYrIt@aol.com:
Well, this thread is already out of control, and as much as I'm
tempted to interject my interpretation, I don't think it would
accomplish much. But I'll leave you with a quote, I believe
attributable to Frank Zappa: "Writing about music is like dancing
about architecture."
bburton:
Not *that* quote again! There was a lengthy thread recently on
another list I'm on regarding true authorship of that quote. I'm
gonna go with Mingus just cause he carried a gun.
y9d62:
I've heard this quote attributed, in various forms, to Elvis
Costello and Laurie Anderson.
it seems everybody steals from poor monk (hadn't heard of the armed
robbery, tho'). so what's wrong with dancing about architecture? i,
for one, find it quite endearing that patrice pirouettes wherever i
put up a facade.
- -b
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:26:03 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: list or articles on Zorn
Here is a list of article/interview on Zorn:
Patrice.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| ARTICLES ON JOHN ZORN |
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* The Drama Review, Vol 23, #4, Dec 1979: "John Zorn's Theatre of Musical
Optics", article by Ela Troyano (pp. 37-44)
* Down Beat, February 1984: Profile by Bill Milkowski (pp. 44-45)
* Op "Z" issue, November-December 1984: interview by Bill Milkowski (pp. 51-
55)
* Artitude #4, February 1985: "Conversation with John Zorn (part one)", in-
terview by Carl Howard (pp. 4-5)
* Artitude #6, March 1985: "Conversation with John Zorn (part two)", inter-
view by Carl Howard (pp. 4-5)
* Unsound Vol. 2 #3/4, 1985: "John Zorn", edited version of the Artitude
interview by Carl Howard with additional discography (pp. 51-56)
* Jazz Forum #95, April 1985: interview by Jurg Solothurnmann (pp. 30-37)
* Musician n. 81: July 1985: "John Zorn - Raw, Funny, Nasty, Noisy New Music
From A Structural Radical" (pp. 17, 19, 21, 23)
* Down Beat 52, December 1985: Blindfold Test with John Zorn (pp. 45)
* Ear, Volume II, Number 2, October 1986: interview by Howard Mandel (pp.
16-17)
* The Wire, 1996: "John Zorn: The Art of Noise", interview by David Ilic
(pp. 30-32)
* Voice Jazz Special, June 23 1987: "At the Hop" (pp. 10)
This is basically John Zorn interviewing Ornette Coleman with Zorn's
record collection as a prop.
* Chemical Imbalance, #5, 1987, "The Unexpurgated John Zorn", interview by
by Mike McGonnigal (pp. 21-26 et 57)
* Option, Jul/Aug 1987: "Zornography: John Zorn", interview by Josef Woodard
(pp. 32-36)
* The Nation, January 30, 1988: article by Gene Santoro (pp. 138-140)
Composer/saxist Zorn is profiled and a selected discography is given.
* Down Beat, April 1988: "Quick-Change artist Makes Good", by Gene Santoro
(pp. 23-25)
* Reflex, June/July 1988: Fred Frith and John Zorn, part 1 (pp. 52-57)
Fred Frith and John Zorn talk about music (part 1).
* Jazzthetik (Germany), Issue 7/8, July/August 1988: interview by Arne
Schumacher (pp. 14-23); includes a discography
* Reflex, August 1988: Fred Frith and John Zorn, part 2 (pp. 13-16)
Fred Frith and John Zorn talk about music (part 2).
* Coda Magazine, August/September 1988: interview by Ben Chant (pp. 24-25)
* Melody Maker, November 26, 1988: "Zorn Off Shotgun", by John Wilde (pp.
11)
Rock musician John Zorn is profiled and briefly interviewed. He discusses
his shoes and the responses of critics to his music. His upcoming projects
are examined.
* The Wire, March 1989: interview by Graham Lock (pp. 32-37)
* Information (Denmark), 1989-10-11: "Fra bebop til Batman", by Lars Movin
* Down Beat, September 1990: "Spy vs. Spy", by Kevin Whitehead (pp. 59-60)
Review of a jazz performance by David Sanborn and Zorn at the Knitting
Factory in NY
* American Composers - Dialogues on Contemporary Music, by Edward
Strickland
Contains an interview of John Zorn by Edward Strickland (pp. 124-140)
Indiana University Press, 1991 (ISBN 0-253-35498-6)
* Neue Zeitschrift Fur Musik 152, February 1991 (all in German)
"Der Architekt der Spiele", interview by Art Lange (pp. 33-37)
"Fruechte des (John) Zorn - improvisierte Musik im Zeitalter der Simula-
tion", article with some scores and a selected discography (pp. 40-43)
* Poetics Journal #9, June 1991: "Memory and Immorality in Musical Composi-
tion", an article by John Zorn (pp. 101-105)
* Musikmagasinet (Denmark), OPUS nr. 5, September 1991: "Fra A Til Zorn",
article/interview by Michael Stovring (pp. 20-21)
* ZAP (Germany), #40, September 1991: interview by Bjorn Fischer (pp. 6-7)
* Improvisation: Its Nature and Practice in Music, by Derek Bailey
Contains an interview of John Zorn.
INCUS, 2nd (revised) edition (ISBN ???)
* Browbeat, Number 1, Fall 1993: interview by Michael Rizzi (pp. 7-10)
* Alternative Press, v8n65, December 1993: "Maverick With A Middle Finger",
by Jason Pettigrew (pp. 9-10)
* Soundpieces 2: Interviews With American Composers, by Cole Gagne
Interview by Cole Gagne followed by a discography (pp. 507-542)
The Scarecrow Press, 1993 (ISBN 0-8108-2710-7)
* Rumore (Italy), Number 31, September 1994: interviews of John Zorn,
Tom Cora, Elliott Sharp (in Italian, pp. 43-49)
There is also a two pages article on John Zorn (pp. 50-51), which starts
with a comment on Zorn by Steve Albini published in Wire 122.
* Resonance, Volume 2, Number 2, Summer 1994: interview by Steve Beresford
(pp. 5-8)
This interview was done in New York, May 30, 1979 and was intended to be
published in the English magazine Music, but the magazine stopped ...
* Perspectives of New Music (USA), Volume 32 No.1, Winter 1994: "A View
From The Piano Bench Or Playing John Zorn's Carny For Fun And Profit" by
Stephen Drury (pp. 194-201)
* Visions (Germany), Issue 29, September 1994: article by Wolf Kampmann (pp.
20-23)
* Postmodern Culture v.5 n.2, January, 1995: "Ugly Beauty: John Zorn And The
Politics Of Postmodern Music", essay by Kevin McNeilly
<http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/pmc/issue.195/mcneilly.195.html>
* Jazzpodium (Germany), Issue 5, May 1995: article by Matthias Baumel (pp.
6-8)
* Talking Music: Conversations with American Experimental Composers, by
William Duckworth
Interview by William Duckworth (pp. 444-475)
Schirmer Books (USA), 1995 (ISBN 0-02-870823-7)
* Eureka (Japan), January 1997: 250-page special issue mostly (200 pages)
dedicated to John Zorn (in Japanese)
* Musiche (Italy), No. 18, 1997: article by ??? (pp. ??)
------------------------------
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