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zorn-list Digest Wednesday, August 20 1997 Volume 02 : Number 103
In this issue:
Re: Ground Zero
Re: Ronald Shannon Jackson Complete Discography
Consume Red - Ground Zero
gastr del sol
Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
Re: Scott Bradley/Nino Rota
Re: Ground Zero
Beauty
Naked City live videos
Re: Ground Zero
Parachute Years
Re: gastr del sol
Re: gastr del sol
Torture Garden
Re: Torture Garden
Re: Ground Zero
N.O.R.M.A
Re: gastr del sol
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:16:52 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
Patrick Carey wrote:
> >Also related, has anyone seen Ground Zero _Plays Classics_ everyone
> in New
> >York looks at me like I'm crazy when I mention this, but I have seen
> >references to it's existence. Haven't I?
>
> It's actually "Plays Standards", and I was wondering the same thing.
> I haven't attempted to hunt it down yet, but I haven't seen it in any
> stores or seen any mail order places carrying it. It's on Nani
> Records
> (NCD 201 CD) and is distributed through Harmonia Mundi (in the UK at
> least).
> The Wire (June '97) reviewed it on p. 60.
I'm positive I saw this in a Japanese DIW brochure immediately prior to
leaving the Knitting Factory - for a while we were the only ones in the
U.S. buying directly from DIW for the Knit Store -- now Downtown Music
Gallery is the exclusive pipeline. Distribution in the UK by Harmonia
Mundi is also a characteristic of DIW, so perhaps Nani is having the
same distribution woes as DIW (while Avant slides through at Koch).
I suspect if you send a request for more information to Downtown Music
Gallery (once again that's dmg@panix.com, no web site yet) Bruce or
Emperor Mike might be able to give you the skinny. Be sure to request a
subscription to their e-mail newsletter, which is always fun even if
you're not in New York. They also have specialized sub-lists for Zorn
fans, Laswell fans, E-Sharp fans and klezmer fans so you get first alert
whem new releases (such as Masada 8, Phat Dub or that new Japanese disc
by Elliott of which only three-hundred copies were made and
hand-packaged and which is ONLY available through DMG) become available.
They're great and they love the music, so support them!
Steve "not a DMG employee" Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:27:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Ronald Shannon Jackson Complete Discography
Steve--
Great work on the discography! It's ... short. Seriously, I'm
shocked at how little Jackson's recorded for a drummer of his stature.
I'm particularly struck by the fact that _Dancing in Your Head_ was his
first record after his brief tenure with Ayler. Does anyone know why he
took such a long break from recording?
Chris Hamilton
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:29:48 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Consume Red - Ground Zero
Patrick Carey wrote:
>>I missed this the first time around:
>
>>>record in Ground Zero's swansong, Consume Red.
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>>Is this really the last? Does anyone know this for sure? Say it ain't so.
>
>As far as I know it's not. I have a feeling the person who wrote this
>didn't mean it in this way, but then again, I can't speak for him/her.
>
>Ground Zero is in the process of releasing 3 discs in a series on
>Otomo's label Creativeman. The first two, "Consume Red", and
>"Conflagration Red", are out, and the third, title TBA, is on its way.
>
>"Conflagration" is a remix of "Consume", Ground Zero's first ambient
>recording based upon samples of Korean hojok player Kim Suk Chul (sp?).
>Remixes are by
>the following (there may be others): Gastr Del Sol, DJ Mao, Stock Hausen
>and Walkman, Bob Ostertag, Dicson Dee, and Violent Onshen Geisha.
I can't say that Consume Red is definitively the last Ground Zero disc, but
the group has officially broken up as of May 1997 (see the Ground Zero
history at the Otome Yoshihide Web pages
<http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html>).
According to the material that comes with Consume Red, there's no NEW
Ground Zero material on either Conflagration or Consummation. Whether
there will in fact be other discs released subsequently I don't know.
Bests,
Herb
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:56:54 -0600
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <Kingwil@interaccess.com>
Subject: gastr del sol
>"Conflagration" is a remix of "Consume", Ground Zero's first ambient
>recording based upon samples of Korean hojok player Kim Suk Chul (sp?).
>Remixes are by
>the following (there may be others): Gastr Del Sol, DJ Mao, Stock Hausen
>and Walkman, Bob Ostertag, Dicson Dee, and Violent Onshen Geisha.
I don't know if this was brought up here, but some of you may be
interested to know that a local chicago paper reported that Jim O'Rourke
left Gastr Del Sol........
read icculus
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote:
> I'm not so sure Dan, I think it has been renamed rec.music.bozo.
Aw, c'mon Jeff, not everyone on r.m.b. is a bozo. It's just that all the
bozos are drawn to mentions of Laswell like moths to a flame(war).
Actually, the whole thing made me wish that Laswell really were doing a
radical dub of Miles' work. As long as the purists are kvetching, we
might as well get to enjoy the ghostly sound of Miles' trumpet floating
over thundering bass. Ah well, I can dream.
Chris Hamilton
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:03:52 +0200
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Re: Scott Bradley/Nino Rota
> And where can I find the 8 1/2 soundtrack, also by Rota?
> > other question is: where can i find the Godfather pt 1 soundtrack by Nino
> > Rota??
It shouldn't be hard to find either of these. The Godfather soundtrack is
released on MCA and is available at mid-price here in Holland. I played some
of it yesterday and it is still really moving music. The 8 1/2 soundtrack might
have a release on CAM, an Italian label that has put out some soundtracks to
Italian movies. I'm pretty sure I saw it not too long ago, but I don't
remember whether it was on CAM.
Frankco.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:22:44 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Patrick Carey wrote:
> >I missed this the first time around:
>
> >>record in Ground Zero's swansong, Consume Red.
> ^^^^^^^^
> >Is this really the last? Does anyone know this for sure? Say it ain't so.
>
> As far as I know it's not. I have a feeling the person who wrote this
> didn't mean it in this way, but then again, I can't speak for him/her.
>
Err; I'd be as pleased as anyone if I'm wrong about this, but so far as I
know Otomo put the kibbosh to Ground Zero at the end of their European
tour in May. Unless there are some archival gems stowed away somewhere
fingers crossed), "Consume Red" will be their last release (discounting
the two remix discs).
> Ground Zero is in the process of releasing 3 discs in a series on
> Otomo's label Creativeman. The first two, "Consume Red", and
> "Conflagration Red", are out, and the third, title TBA, is on its way.
>
Third disc will be called "Consumation".
> "Conflagration" is a remix of "Consume", Ground Zero's first ambient
> recording based upon samples of Korean hojok player Kim Suk Chul (sp?).
> Remixes are by
> the following (there may be others): Gastr Del Sol, DJ Mao, Stock Hausen
> and Walkman, Bob Ostertag, Dicson Dee, and Violent Onshen Geisha.
Cheers,
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:34:47 -0700
From: Jason Edward Kocol <misterlazy@usa.net>
Subject: Beauty
> > I've heard this material, and consider it to be among Zorn's most
> > important, and most beautiful music. However I detect a wariness in your
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Beautiful? Hum... Intellectually challenging? yes. Intriguing? yes.
> Exciting
> and demanding? yes. But beautiful, really? :-).
Beauty is, and always will be, in the eye of the beholder.
I have yet to hear this stuff, but am looking forward to.
- -Jason
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2569/Suburban.html
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:41:50 -0700
From: Jason Edward Kocol <misterlazy@usa.net>
Subject: Naked City live videos
Hello,
Yes, I am intersted in obtaining (or any information regards to)
any Naked City live videos that may exist. I don't really have much of
a trade list (if one at all), but maybe we can work out a deal, like,
um, clean your house, manual labor, assassinate someone, give my first
born, etc. Whatever.
Thanks,
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2569/Suburban.html
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:15:10 -0400
From: "Andy Marks" <andy.marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
> >Also related, has anyone seen Ground Zero _Plays Classics_ everyone in New
> >York looks at me like I'm crazy when I mention this, but I have seen
> >references to it's existence. Haven't I?
Yeah, I've heard about it too. However, after looking into obtaining
it for a little bit I was stymied. The last I heard was that it was only
available in Japan and it was pratically impossible to import. Something
to do with the company releasing it not exporting to the US. If anyone
knows where to get this release (from the US) I would really like to know.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:56:43 +0900
From: c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQWE6ZDluOSgbKEo=?=)
Subject: Parachute Years
Does anyone know the release date of "Parachte Years"in Japan.
And how much will it cost?
thanks.
- --
katsuhiro hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:20:00 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: gastr del sol
Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
> >"Conflagration" is a remix of "Consume", Ground Zero's first ambient
> >recording based upon samples of Korean hojok player Kim Suk Chul
> (sp?).
> >Remixes are by
> >the following (there may be others): Gastr Del Sol, DJ Mao, Stock
> Hausen
> >and Walkman, Bob Ostertag, Dicson Dee, and Violent Onshen Geisha.
>
> I don't know if this was brought up here, but some of you may be
> interested to know that a local chicago paper reported that Jim
> O'Rourke
> left Gastr Del Sol........
Yes, that one is definitely true, Jim told me so himself a few weeks
ago. Too bad... they made some interesting records and it certainly
brought Jim to the attention of lots of folks who might otherwise never
have heard him. But he said it was due to irreconcilable personal
differences. I believe he said there's one last release in the can, but
he is supremely unattached to any of his own recordings so who knows
whether this will ever actually be released?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:58:21 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Re: gastr del sol
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Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
>
> > >"Conflagration" is a remix of "Consume", Ground Zero's first ambient
> > >recording based upon samples of Korean hojok player Kim Suk Chul
I was present at one of the last European gigs of Ground Zero, in
Stirling (which is near Edinburgh, Scotland). They sounded like what the
Mothers of Invention would be like if they had been reborn in 90's
Tokyo! There were at least 8 players and Otomo conducted them much like
Zappa. The sound they made was very like Naked City- they played a
variety of material including a shortened version of Consume Red (ie
only about 15 minutes), a section of Revolutionary Pekinese Opera, a
Fred Frith track and a number of 'standards'. The latter were, of
course, played in a hell-for-leather, post-jazz, deconstructionist
fashion that was both hilarious and exhilarating. It's a real shame that
Otomo is splitting the band up, apparently it's because they all have so
many other commitments. I have heard Consume Red and, while I think it's
an amazing piece (comparable in some ways to Leng T'che) I did find the
'standards' more enjoyable. It may be the closest I ever get to
experiencing Naked City live.
> >
> > I don't know if this was brought up here, but some of you may be
> > interested to know that a local chicago paper reported that Jim
> > O'Rourke
> > left Gastr Del Sol........
But he said it was due to irreconcilable personal
> differences. I believe he said there's one last release in the can, but
> he is supremely unattached to any of his own recordings so who knows
> whether this will ever actually be released?
I was quite dissapointed to hear this. Gastr del Sol produced some
really fascinating sounds and I thought that David Grubbs fractured
songs were a perfect foil for O'Rourke's avant garde leanings.
Apparently there is a Grubbs solo album out on Table of Elements though
I have heard that it will not be available in Europe until next year.
Also there is a new O'Rourke disc out on John Fahey's revenant label.
Scott Russell
>
- --
++++++++++++++++++++++
Scott Russell
Information Systems Specialist
Scottish Media Newspapers
Email:Srussell@cims.co.uk
Tel: 0141 552 6255 ext3628
++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:48:15 -0400
From: max <max@newmassmedia.com>
Subject: Torture Garden
Hey all...
Is Torture Garden out of print? I found an extra copy used for $11 with
a sticker saying it was rare - if anyone's interested write me.
max
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:13:03 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Torture Garden
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:48:15 -0400 max wrote:
>
> Hey all...
> Is Torture Garden out of print? I found an extra copy used for $11 with
> a sticker saying it was rare - if anyone's interested write me.
When Zorn had problems with CAAAV, he asked Shimmy to stop selling the record.
I don't know why (or maybe I know too well...), but Shimmy decided to sell it
again last October... Yes, knowing that Tzadik was planning a reissue with a
politically correct design to please the CAAAV...
To answer your question? Yes, TORTURE GARDEN should have been out of print
from 1993 until now. With the issue of the BLACK BOX (containing both TG and
LENG T'CHE), this is just history :-).
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:18:21 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:16:52 -0400 Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Patrick Carey wrote:
>
> > >Also related, has anyone seen Ground Zero _Plays Classics_ everyone
> > in New
> > >York looks at me like I'm crazy when I mention this, but I have seen
> > >references to it's existence. Haven't I?
> >
> > It's actually "Plays Standards", and I was wondering the same thing.
> > I haven't attempted to hunt it down yet, but I haven't seen it in any
> > stores or seen any mail order places carrying it. It's on Nani
> > Records
> > (NCD 201 CD) and is distributed through Harmonia Mundi (in the UK at
> > least).
> > The Wire (June '97) reviewed it on p. 60.
>
> I'm positive I saw this in a Japanese DIW brochure immediately prior to
Not surprising because Nani is a label owned by DIW.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
088 - PLAYS STANDARDS: Ground Zero
1/ El Derecho De Vivir En Paz + Shinoshin 3/4
2/ Ultra Q
3/ Those Were the Days
4/ Folhas Secas
5/ Washington Post March + Japan Dissolution
6/ Akashia no Ame ga Yamu Toki
7/ Bones
8/ Where Is The Police? + The Bath of Surprise
9/ Miagetegoran, Yoru no Hoshi wo
10/ Yume no Hanshu
11/ Die Pappel vom Karlsplatz
12/ A Better Tommorow + I Say a Little Prayer
Recorded at Gok Sound, Kichijoji, Tokyo on January 6-9, 1997
(8) recorded at Fuji Height #103, Hoya, Tokyo on January 4, 1997
Produced by Noda Shigenori and Otomo Yoshihide
Otomo Yoshihide: turntables, guitar, surdo, agogo bell, voice; Uchihashi
Kazuhisa: guitar, effect; Matsubara Sachiko: sampler; Kikuchi Naruyoshi:
saxophone; Tanaka Yumiko: shamisen, taisho-koto, koto, voice; Nasuno
Mitsuru: bass; Yoshigaki Yasuhiro: drums, percussion; Uemura Masahiro:
drums.
1997 - Nani Record/DIW (Japan), NCD-201 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Where is the Police is a hilarious composition by Misha Mengelberg. Curious
to hear it! Also Bones from Skeleton Crew.
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:47:19 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: N.O.R.M.A
- ----------
Just picked up a fantastic new cd by an Italian band called
N.O.R.M.A...features Chris Cutler on drums and various instruments. If you
like Zorn this would be worth checking out....I found it at Tower records
in the jazz section.... Very theatric ensemble work with plenty of humor,
brilliant brass arrangements and so forth. Everything is in Italian but it
seems that they take some Erik Satie compositions and re-arrange >>(I mean
deconstruct) them ! Extremely creative, humorous and enticing ! A bit
pricey at $18.99 but well worth the investment....oh yeah, vocalist Phil
Minton contributes on 2 tracks. Finally, this set invokes thoughts of
Zorn's Filmworks stuff....perhaps not quite as brief in nature....??!!
Also similar to some of Canadian guitarist Rene' Lussier's recent large
ensemble work.... hard to describe but definitely worth checking into
especially for the Zorn enthusiast...
Glenn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: gastr del sol
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Scott Russell wrote:
> I was quite dissapointed to hear this. Gastr del Sol produced some
> really fascinating sounds and I thought that David Grubbs fractured
> songs were a perfect foil for O'Rourke's avant garde leanings.
i couldn't agree more. what a shame.
> Apparently there is a Grubbs solo album out on Table of Elements though
yes, and it's quite good if
not a little melancholy.
> Also there is a new O'Rourke disc out on John Fahey's revenant label.
true again. i'm not sure how
many people may like the
O'Rourke recording, but i personally
thought it was amazing.
acoustic guitars and hurdy-gurdy drones.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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