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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #1013
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, July 22 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1013
In this issue:
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Re: Third Rail
Re: Odp: Boulez
Re: Odp: Boulez
Re: Odp: Boulez
hunger for reviews
Re: Odp: Boulez
Re: hunger for reviews
inspiring
new Tzadik releases
discovering new music
RE: TWO INSPIRING CONCERTS
RE: new Tzadik releases
RE: new Tzadik releases
Tzadik series...
Don Cherry
Berio - sequenzas
pachora "ast"
Re: pachora "ast"
fred frith & boulez (though not together)
faust news (??)
RE: fred frith
ECM/Gismonti/Haden
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:19:39 -0400
From: Nils <jacobson@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Third Rail
"Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net> wrote:
> any opinions on the band THIRD RAIL with Bill Laswell
> (and I think James Blood Ulmer?).
_south delta space age_ is very good, in my opinion. it's
clearly ulmer's record, but much more accessible and trim
than his earlier stuff... probably due to laswell. some
good humor in there. it's a funk/blues album primarily,
so don't go into it expecting another _captain black_.
"funk with me, and i'll funk with you!" -- jb. ulmer
n
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:47:31 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:33:46 +0200 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote:
>
> Who is Gann? what did he say? (I also would like to feel less stupid)
Kyle Gann is a composer and music critic.
I will write down a few excerpts from the article, but concerning LE MARTEAU
SANS MAITRE, he basically said that after having listened to it so many times
(and even studying it), the piece was almost as cryptic as it was on the 1st
listening, and that with the exception of one moment, he could not find his
marks at all! Since I have the exact same problem and I have felt intellec-
tually impaired because of that, this revelation by Gann made me feel much
better (we were at least two in this situation :-).
I found it refreshing (I mean the honnesty of saying that you don't understand
something), like when I read that most prominent French novelists/intellec-
tuals acknowledged having never read *completely* FINNEGAN'S WAKE.
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:04:41 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez
Here is the excerpt on LE MARTEAU SANS MAITRE, from Kyle Gann (published in
PULSE! August 1999):
"In recent years, however, I've been struck by the number of new-music
mavens who've come up to me and, almost guiltily, admitted that they
find Boulez tremendously overrated. In particular, they -- and I --
express disillusionment with his first succes d'estime, the piece
still most often mentioned in the history books: LE MARTEAU SANS
MAITRE. When it first appeared it seemed frighteningly exotic, the
beginning of a bold new era of music-science, and it spawned a
thousand imitations; today, does any other icon of 20th century music
seem so unmemorable? I've reviewed several recordings of the work (the
best is probably Boulez' own on CBS MK 42619), analyzed movements of
it in college, once studied it for a semester as a conducting
tutorial, and must have heard it over 100 times, a couple of them
live. Yet put the disc on today, and except for the anomalous finale,
I couldn't tell you which movement is which. The chance to dethrone
Boulez wouldn't be so tempting if he hadn't built such a mystique
around LE MARTEAU and around himself. In a 1963 book published in
English as ON MUSIC TODAY, he bragged in vague terms about the
incredible new ways in which he was conceptualizing pitch, timbre and
rythm (or rather, as we all said back in those abstract days,
duration). He gave out hints about how he was deriving complex
sonorities by "multiplying" chords together, and provided almost
enough detail that one could start to analyze the sacred LE MARTEAU.
Almost. In reality, LE MARTEAU remained impervious to analysis for a
quarter-century, until around 1981 a Russian named Lev Koblyakov
broke Boulez' code and published an analysis proving that, yes, the
work was indeed entirely based on a twelve-tone row. I remember the
news being important enough to be reported in TIME."
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:17:54 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:37:29 -0400 "Ljova" wrote:
>
> Didn't Orpheus CO record Pulcinella?
What do you mean by "CO"?
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:17:38 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: hunger for reviews
Hey Steve,
you wrote: "Peter Epstein Quartet: Truly fine young band (saxophonist
Epstein plus Jamie Saft on accordion,
Chris Dahlgren on bass and Jim Black on drums), clever writing, heated
playing, and exceptionally fine recorded sound. I don't think I've ever
heard as much fine detail in Jim Black's textures. Not especially
"out," but a really good solid postmodern jazz date that swings in lotsa
different meters. Enthusiastically recommended. They've got a newer disc
on the same label. 'The Invisible,' and everything I've just said
holds for that one too, with the addition of Saft's piano and Farfisa
organ."
Well, somehow you convinced me and I ordered these:
1 "Solus" Peter Epstein
1 "Staring At The Sun" Peter Epstein Quartet;
1 "The Invisible" Peter Epstein Quartet;
1 "Dogs Outside" Todd Sickafoose Group (w/ Peter Epstein);
1 "Without Words" Miroslav Tadic, Peter Epstein;
Anything else on Ibarra's and Saft's and Klezmer3 ?
Thanks for the review.
Rob, Belgium
NP: Brad Shepik - The Well(w/ Epstein, great too)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:28:39 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez
At 9:17 AM -0700 7/21/00, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:37:29 -0400 "Ljova" wrote:
>>
>> Didn't Orpheus CO record Pulcinella?
>
>What do you mean by "CO"?
>
That would be the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra, wouldn't it?
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:34:27 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: hunger for reviews
Rob Allaert wrote:
> Well, somehow you convinced me and I ordered these:
> 1 "Solus" Peter Epstein
> 1 "Staring At The Sun" Peter Epstein Quartet;
> 1 "The Invisible" Peter Epstein Quartet;
> 1 "Dogs Outside" Todd Sickafoose Group (w/ Peter Epstein);
> 1 "Without Words" Miroslav Tadic, Peter Epstein
Damn! All I can say is, I'd better be right about Epstein or you're gonna
come find me... ;-)
> Anything else on Ibarra's and Saft's and Klezmer3 ?
Not yet, but soon, soon...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Thelonious Monk, "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes," The Complete Prestige
Recordings (Prestige)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:30:05 EDT
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: inspiring
In a message dated 7/21/00 10:46:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
<< ZXMgCkdheWxlLCByb2NrIGFydGlzdHMgSGVucnkgUm9sbGlucywgTWlja2V5IEhhcnQgYW5k
IFZlcm5vbiBSZWlkLgoKV2UgaG9wZSB0aGF0IHlvdSB3aWxsIGF0dGVuZCBhIGNvbmNlcnQu
CgoKRm9yIG1vcmUgaW5mbzogICB3d3cuZWlzZW5iZWlsLmNvbQo=
- - >>
wow, that is inspiring.
ben
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:52:48 EDT
From: MorMovies@aol.com
Subject: new Tzadik releases
I picked up two of the new Tzadik cds at NYC's Downtown Music today- MASADA
LIVE IN SEVILLA 2000 (amazing!) and Jamie Saft's SOVLANUT (from psychedelic
dub to drum and bass!).
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:31:53 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: discovering new music
Hey Zorn-agains,
Visit this wonderful web site www.marecordings.com
It's just amazing !!
Rob, Belgium << .......
http://www.frontstage.com/rob ________________________
NP: Pachora - Pachora (go get it !!)
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:20:58 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: RE: TWO INSPIRING CONCERTS
Eisenbeil@aol.com wrote: "TWO INSPIRING CONCERTS:
"FURSBSRUxFQVNFOgoKClBPU0lUSVZFIEtOT1dMRURHRSAKVE8gUEVSRk9S ..."
I'm glad it only were two concerts :)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:38:10 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: new Tzadik releases
"I picked up two of the new Tzadik cds at NYC's Downtown Music today- MASADA
LIVE IN SEVILLA 2000 (amazing!) and Jamie Saft's SOVLANUT (from psychedelic
dub to drum and bass!)."
LIVE IN SEVILLA is already out? Amazon says that it will be released the
25th!!!!! So, how is it?
Neil H. Enet
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:20:20 -0400
From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@magellan.umontreal.ca>
Subject: RE: new Tzadik releases
Hello,
>LIVE IN SEVILLA is already out? Amazon says that it will be released the
>25th!!!!! So, how is it?
I don't know if it is out, but I bought it yesterday evening in Montreal and
it was not the only copy! How is it? Well, I still need to find some time to
listen to it... Probably tomorrow!
Bye,
Mathieu
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:09:27 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tzadik series...
Hello,
Isn't it about time for Tzadik to get a "electronic" series or something
like that? It's not 1950 anymore... And what is the "key" series anyway?!
Did you that that thing on Eugene Chadbournes hopmepage that he was denied
having one of his CDs released in the "radical jewish culture" series, but
that he "is still lobbying"??? That's pretty funny...
Bye
Arthur
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:57:11 +0100
From: "ian r watson" <toshinori@lineone.net>
Subject: Don Cherry
I picked up a cd the other day Don Cherry "Cool" on The Dressed to Kill
label. According to the sleeve the tracks are
Amejelo
Bamboo Night
Blue Lake
East Part 1
East Part 2
Smiling faces going places
Orient Part 1
Most of it is drums/flutes and drums/bass/piano/ vocals very little
trumpet. I distrust the info and recognise a clumsy edit from Mu , a
version of "Man in the moon" and also "Orient part 1" is taken from the
Affinity cd (which is in fact Desireless)...has anyone got any idea where
the other tracks are from ?
cheers.......Ian
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:39:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: Berio - sequenzas
Just checked out from the local library a 1998 release of the complete (at
the time at least) sequenzas by L. Berio, performed by members of the
ensemble intercontemporain + some others. I only mention this because i
had no idea how great these are. Each is written for a different solo
instrument, and each 'sequence' is like an 'avant-garde improv miniature'
(except, of course, its notated). I am particularly struck by the peices
for oboe, for clarinet, and for violin, but then these were the first i
happened to listen to. this particular release is on deutsche grammophon,
and has liner notes by Berio, commenting on each sequence (which is
sometimes not so enlightening - more enlightening than braxton talking
about his music, i suppose ;).
I'm usually pretty wary of contemporary classical because with all the
atonalism and what have you, it all starts to sound the same to my ears.
but this is really great.
in case anyone cares,
whit
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:28:24 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: pachora "ast"
Can anyone tell me what this recent Pachora release is like? I have both
their others, how does it compare?
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:15:22 EDT
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: pachora "ast"
In a message dated 7/22/00 11:34:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes:
<< Can anyone tell me what this recent Pachora release is like? I have both
their others, how does it compare? >>
It's as good if not better. See my review at Amzon.com
Cheers,
Tom
Top 10 CD's for July
1. Masada Live in London 2000
2. "In His Own Sweet Way" Dave Brubeck Tribute
3. Iris Dement "Infamous Angel"
4. Billy Bragg/Wilco -- "Mermaid Avenue 2"
5. Miles Davis -- "Complete Live At The Plugged Nickel"
6. Thomas Chapin -- "Alive"
7. Buena Vista Social Club
8. Johnny Cash -- "American Recordings"
9. The Best Of Patsy Cline
10. The Clash -- "London Calling"
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:49:58 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: fred frith & boulez (though not together)
I'm now listening to Fred Frith's TRAFFIC CONTINUES compositions with the
Ensemble Modern, Ikue Mori, and Zeena Parkins; I owe all you who recommended
this---it's terrific, a really uplifting, schizoid experience, so far beyond
the "eclectic" that it makes me forget about those troublesome trendy bon
mots like "postmodernism". The recording quality is great, and the Ensemble
is beyond fluid. A rough ride, and pretty distinct from anything I've heard
before. The use of samples surpasses most of what I've What a winner! Who
needs "Le Marteau San Maitre"?
Question: where do I go from here? The only Frith I've heard (excluding
Naked City) is the second Death Ambient album, which is nice as mildly
disturbing wallpaper, and some of the duo material with Henry Kaiser, which
is OK with me, but not to the extent of his playing on TRAFFIC. I'd love
some recommendations with annotations (descriptions), if anyone has the
time. I can't believe I haven't yet checked out henry Cow. Some day I'll
get around to checking out this rock and roll stuff these kids are talking
about...
I've heard great things about the 1.) guitar quartet; 2.) solo performances;
3.) other "composed" and ensemble material (i.e. the double album of graphic
score performances; PACIFICA; string quartets; etc); 4.) (sort of) ad hoc
groupings (anyone like the trio with Mori and Larry Ochs? the LATER album
w/ Mori and Mark Dresser? what about the albums with Chris Cutler?); 5.)
smaller ensembles, assumedly of Fred's compositions (some sextet...?); 6.)
film music.
Sorry to take up so much space ignorance-broadcasting, but this guy's
catalog is insane.
As for Boulez...
"There was a young man with a lot of people around him who was discussing
literature in a fierce tone of voice. He spoke particularly of Gide, who
had died the previous year, and insulted him. I asked who this bad-tempered
young man was---sharp as a knife, sure as a prophet, and bad-mannered to
boot. I was told that his name was Boulez..."
---Raymond Aron, on his first encounter with Boulez, c. 1951
(to be fair: Aron proceeds to immediately recognize
Boulez's precocity at that time.)
I remember there was a particularly illuminating discussion on-list about
the politics of IRCAM, but I can't remember when---one year ago? Two? At
any rate, for newcomers, it might be interesting to do some archive
spelunking.
cheers,
- ----s
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:25:25 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: faust news (??)
Sorry if this is redundant, but the due date is upon us, for those who want
the exclusive advance-order "mystery item":
1971-73: The Wumme Years - 5 CDs and book - ReR FB1 - ú42
5 CDs in a presentation box with a substantial booklet containing, amongst
other things never-before published contemporary pictures, interviews with
the legendary Kurt Graupner - the engineer responsible for Faust's
extraordinary early recordings - whose innovations and experiments are
finally given the exposure they deserve (he has never been interviewed
before and took some tracking down) and with members of the original group.
This is story of an extraordinarily creative period and of a remarkable
situation - the group had their own studio, almost unheard of at the time,
and a lot of people came and went and a lot of extraordinary things happened
there, here documented for the first time. There is also a memoire by Peter
Blegvad (who stayed and worked at Wumme in those years (the first Slapphappy
LPs were made there) and much more. Then there is the film connection - and
a lot of other documentary material. The CDs in the box are the first 2
historic records: Faust and Faust So Far (So Far with its artwork restored),
The Faust Tapes completely re-mastered and repackaged, 7I Minutes Of
re-mastered and repackaged, and finally the legendary 1973 BBC sessions plus
5 unreleased tracks from the period and two others never released on CD.
As an ReR customer you get this notice first and are top of the list. And if
you order and pay now (it helps us with the huge production costs) we will
send you a special copy with an extra item, available only to subscribers
before the official release date. All this at the special price of ú42
(price will be higher after release date). The 5 CDs will of course also
later be individually available.
*taken from the ReR website, www.megacorp.u-net.com/sale.htm
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:34:28 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: RE: fred frith
>I've heard great things about the 1.) guitar quartet; 2.) solo
>performances;
I have "Guitar solos" and think it's great except for a few tracks which I
skip every time I listen to it. I once had "eye to ear" but I sold it.
Matt Wirzbicki
on now: Conlon Nancarrow "studies for player piano" WERGO
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:38:09 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com
Subject: ECM/Gismonti/Haden
I've resolved the mystery of ECM's (missing) catalog -- that is, why
many titles have been unavailable. Bottom line is, they'll nearly all
be back in the near future.
This according to an ECM publicity official: ECM changed distributors
last year. The old distributor, BMG, had rights to the warehouse stock
and exclusive rights to distribute that stock (i believe it was for 6
or 8 months). So the new distributor had wait. Once the clock ran out,
the new distributor began manufacturing the back catalog. Because of
output limitations -- about 25 titles per month -- they've developed a
system for the order of making the discs and that is, doing the back
catalogs of the artists who have new releases so that those releases
will be supported by a back catalog.
Egberto Gismonti's back catalog may be available with his next new
release if this system continues. That next release may be
Haden-Gismonti, the Montreal Tapes, thanks to an ECM agreement with, I
believe, Verve, which has been slowly releasing the other Haden
ensembles from that series of concerts....
Martin
np. Uri Caine-- Love Fugue/Robert Schumann (lovely!)
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