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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #1014
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Zorn List Digest Monday, July 24 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1014
In this issue:
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napster
Rebirth Of Post-cool
this renaming thing
RE: pachora "ast"
Re: ? for reviewers
Re: fred frith & boulez (though not together)
Re: Rebirth Of Post-cool
2000?
Peggy Lee?
Re: Zorn Practicing
Re: 2000?
Re: Peggy Lee?
Masada - first performance outisde of US
Re: Peggy Lee?
Re: fred frith
respiritus
Mapster
frith
RE: frith
RE: frith
Re[2]: frith
Re: Morals
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:22:23 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: napster
Zorn-agains,
Napster version beta7 (www.napster.com) enables us to create our own Chat 'n
Trade channel. I'd suggest, when you're logged in with Napster you look for
or create a channel with this and only this name: "zornlist", yes in one
word. We might be able to find eachother to share songs of albums we are
considering to buy.
Just do it !!!
Rob, Belgium ______________
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:37:45 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Rebirth Of Post-cool
I hereby withdraw my nomination of 'Zornithologists,' and second the
nomination of *Zorn-agains* as the official name of Zorn-list members.
Tell me my friend; are you Zorn-again?
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:52:51 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <thesubtlebody@hotmail.com>
Subject: this renaming thing
I'd like to be a Mickey Mao's Kid.
- ----s
>From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
>I hereby withdraw my nomination of 'Zornithologists,' and second the
>nomination of *Zorn-agains* as the official name of Zorn-list members.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:12:11 +0200
From: "Rob Allaert" <rob.allaert@charity.nu>
Subject: RE: pachora "ast"
Julian,
'Ast' is simply their best album to date. Same style, of course, but more
homogenic, a little more melodious, every song works completely, even the
Bowie cover. The Jim Black composition "Falevasinta" is truly amazing. Run
to your nearest music store and then left-click "checkout" !
Rob, Belgium _____________
NP: Satlah - Danny Zamir (Masada all over again)
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:00:52 -0400
From: "Alan Lankin" <lankina@att.net>
Subject: Re: ? for reviewers
You can find info on upcoming jazz CDs on my site:
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/upcomingcds.html.
Alan Lankin
lankina@att.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <kurt_gottschalk@scni.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: July 12, 2000 5:04 PM
Subject: ? for reviewers
>
> [...]
> how do you keep on top of upcoming releases?
> [...] is there a good place to find what's impending?
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:51:26 -0400
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: fred frith & boulez (though not together)
I have yet to hear the new one, but if you are interested in
his work for ensembles which feature a lot of pre-digital sampling
techniques, then you'd do well to look for Gravity and Speechless, 2
LP's from the early 80's that are now on CD from East Side Digital.
Each side of the original LP's featured a different ensemble;
Frith's "power Trio" Massacre; the french group Etron Fou Leloublan,
The Swedish group Zamla Mammaz Manna, and the Washington DC band The
Muffins. The music runs from abrasive hard rock to European folk
tunes, to quiet ambient pieces, all strung together with tape collage
that recalls Zappa's Lumpy Gravy.
I'm also quite fond of the Art Bears discs, but they are a
much harder listen than Gravity & Speechless.
RW
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:30:54 -0400
From: "Dann-Brown" <DLB7@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Rebirth Of Post-cool
> Tell me my friend; are you Zorn-again?
I dunno, as a Jew, I don't think I need to be Zorn-again =-)
Someone mentioned a while back if anyone had heard The New Klez Trio's
"Short for Something." I picked it up yesterday (well, OK, I did more than
pick it up - I took it to the cash register and paid for it too) and I
listened to it today. And, to put it frankly, I like it a lot. It's pretty
much a 'group' record (as their name would suggest), but the element that
keeps drawing me in to the album is Wollesen's drumming.
I don't know too much about Wolleson. All I've heard him playing on is
this, Bar Kokhba and the Live in NY/Germany 1994 CD. Can anyone toss out
some more recommendations? What about that Dim Sum Slip Job album?
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Dann-Brown
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:26:45 GMT
From: "doron galili" <doronjgalili@hotmail.com>
Subject: 2000?
hey!
was masada's london concert published on a cd? on what label? when? the
concert was amazing, but i haven't heard about a cd. (not until that mail)
>From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
>Top 10 CD's for July
>1. Masada Live in London 2000
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:59:12 +0200
From: Fritz Feger <Fritz.Feger@talknet.de>
Subject: Peggy Lee?
Steve Smith wrote:
>Presumably when they take it to the studio, Feldman,
>Friedlander and Roseman will be back on board, but I'll just reiterate what a
>splendid job Hammann, Lee and Daley did in their places, and that with only
>one rehearsal...
Are there any records out with Peggy Lee? What is she doing?
Thank you;
Fritz.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:50:36 +0200
From: Fritz Feger <Fritz.Feger@talknet.de>
Subject: Re: Zorn Practicing
... maybe two days late, but what it's worth...
James Graves wrote:
>Much art in the 20th
>century has addressed and expanded the defining lines between artist and
>observer, but I still feel left in a strange position here. Anybody have
>any thoughts on this?
Some artists seem to understand themselves as public persons, like
politicians. This coheres with creating one's own life as part of the
Gesamtkunstwerk, not only records and concerts. This account requires the
observer to notice "trivia" as well because they are part of the "work" of
the artist. I guess that Zorn has such a tendency, or wouldn't you think
that stories like the "shut the fuck up"-Albright incident are, at least in
part, purposeful contributions to his image? What do the listers who see
him live frequently think?
Fritz.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:47:27 EDT
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2000?
In a message dated 7/23/00 6:29:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
doronjgalili@hotmail.com writes:
<< hey!
was masada's london concert published on a cd? on what label? when? the
concert was amazing, but i haven't heard about a cd. (not until that mail)
>From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
>Top 10 CD's for July
>1. Masada Live in London 2000 >>
No. A friend in London recorded it for me.
Top 10 CD's for July
1. Masada Live in London 2000
2. "In His Own Sweet Way" Dave Brubeck Tribute
3. Iris Dement "Infamous Angel"
4. Billy Bragg/Wilco -- "Mermaid Avenue 2"
5. Miles Davis -- "Complete Live At The Plugged Nickel"
6. Thomas Chapin -- "Alive"
7. Buena Vista Social Club
8. Johnny Cash -- "American Recordings"
9. The Best Of Patsy Cline
10. The Clash -- "London Calling"
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:43:36 -0400
From: James Hale <jhale@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Peggy Lee?
Peggy Lee leads her band on an extremely good CD on Spool called The
Peggy Lee Band. She also plays duets with her husband, drummer Dylan van
der Schyff on These Are Our Shoes (also Spool). Both are featured, along
with Dave Douglas and Mark Dresser, on clarinetist Francois Houle's
beautiful tribute to John Carter, In The Vernacular (Songlines) and in a
cooperative band called Talking Pictures, mostly on the defunct Red
Toucan label.
Those are her "jazzier" things.
She also plays in a number of other settings that are closer to
contemporary classical.
James Hale
Fritz Feger wrote:
>
> Steve Smith wrote:
> >Presumably when they take it to the studio, Feldman,
> >Friedlander and Roseman will be back on board, but I'll just reiterate what a
> >splendid job Hammann, Lee and Daley did in their places, and that with only
> >one rehearsal...
>
> Are there any records out with Peggy Lee? What is she doing?
>
> Thank you;
> Fritz.
>
> -
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:37:11 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@emd.pl>
Subject: Masada - first performance outisde of US
Hi Philozorners,
I try to figure out, when was the first Masada performance outside of
US. I know, they were palying at Warsaw Summer Jazz Days on June 22,
1994, four days after finishing the recording of "Gimel". But, did
they play elsewhere in Europe before? I mean the permanent lineup with
Douglas, Baron and Cohen. I know Zorn played the Masada tunes with
Marc Ribot, John Medeski and Billy Martin on April 29, 1994 in Padova,
Italy. I don't have any bootlegs / I don't know about any performances
of the "brass" Masada (I mean, with Douglas) after introduction of the
band during Zornfest @ KF on September 1993
(http://www.nwu.edu/jazz/performance/zornfest/). Can anybody recall
more facts?
Regards
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:23:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Peggy Lee?
If you mean solo CDs, yes and no. She has done one CD with Carlos Zigaro
for the hatology label, a couple with her husband drummer Dylan van der
Schyff and others for the Spool label and recorded as part of Talking
Pictures on Red Toucan.
She may have more in the works.
Ken Waxman
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Fritz Feger wrote:
> Are there any records out with Peggy Lee? What is she doing?
>
> Thank you;
> Fritz.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:54:40 +0200
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: fred frith
I heard Fred Frith several times last year until he left Stuttgart.
The solo gigs were terrific. I don't know the "Guitar Solos"
recording, but the concerts were completely improvised.
Then I heard him with Frank Schulte, electronics, a duo improvisation
as a journey to "Elektr(on)ische Welten" ("Electr(on)ic Worlds").
At these concerts Frith was a great guitar improviser.
At one concert with Han Bennink and some German guest musicians he was
mainly the leader and produced the "basis" for the saxophone
improviser.
Finally there was a concert of his guitar quartet, that played mainly
Frith's compositions.
In my opinion, there are two different musicians "Fred Frith". The
composer and the improviser. The composed works (Traffic, Allies are
the one's that I know) are quite different from the improvised ones
(e.g. Massacre, The Art of Memory, solo gigs).
A good "sampler" throught the 80s is "Step Across The Border", a film
about Frith, with Frith's music. The film is said to be excellent, but
I haven't been able to see it, yet. I just own the soundtrack that
covers the music that he played in the 80s.
PEACE
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:46:29 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: respiritus
Zorn People
Has anyone heard the John Butcher/ Vanessa Mackness album "Respiritus"
and be willing to comment on it? It's constantly amazing to me the
oddities that show up just surfing the Forced Exposure catalog at
random.
Matt
NP: Bert Jansch, "Jack Orion"
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:19:05 -0400
From: "Ljova" <L@Ljova.com>
Subject: Mapster
For those of you who are fans of the group Napster (chuckle chuckle), do you
use Napigator? If so, which server are you generally on?
Thanks,
Ljova
(who tried to create the Zornlist channel several times today, but nobody
came in...)
- --------
Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin
L@Ljova.com
http://mp3.com/Ljova/
"Do not fear mistakes - there are none."
-Miles Davis
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:22:35 +0100
From: "Peter Marsh" <marshp@richmond.ac.uk>
Subject: frith
Kristopher wrote:
> I've heard great things about the 1.) guitar quartet; 2.) solo performances;
> 3.) other "composed" and ensemble material (i.e. the double album of graphic
> score performances; PACIFICA; string quartets; etc); 4.) (sort of) ad hoc
> groupings (anyone like the trio with Mori and Larry Ochs? the LATER album
> w/ Mori and Mark Dresser? what about the albums with Chris Cutler?); 5.)
> smaller ensembles, assumedly of Fred's compositions (some sextet...?); 6.)
> film music.
a good place to start is "Step Across the Border", which is a soundtrack to
a film about the man himself and features re-edited and rejigged
performances by fred with Massacre, Skeleton Crew, Keep the Dog, John Zorn,
Iva Bittova, Tenko etc etc. it's as close to a greatest hits as you're going
to get.
my own recommendations would be
Guitar Solos - lush, free yet melodic guitar improv. every guitarist i've
ever played it to sits open mouthed all the way through it (wot, no
overdubs!)
Massacre/Killing Time - avant punk funk with some of frith's best, most
posessed playing IMHO. laswell is kept well away from the mixing desk
fortunately, so no dodgy dmx beats or extended 'constructions in dub'.
Gravity - first and the most cohesive of fred's three albums on the mighty
Ralph records. very folky, intricate and melodic. demented version of
'dancing in the streets'.
Cutler&Frith/Two gentlemen in verona - obviously these two have been playing
together for years and it shows in the level of interaction going on. cc's
drumming always seems to bring out the best in ff (check out live in prague
& washington too - bit muddy but great)
Frith&Kaiser - with friends like these - first free improv record i ever
bought and it scared the shit out of me (and still does). much better than
the follow up.
Henry Cow/Unrest - probably the best showcase fof ff and my fave Cow record.
hard to imagine a major label putting out anything like this today. one side
of compositions, one side of studio processed improv. beautiful.
sorry for the self indulgence,
cheers
peter
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:33:33 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: RE: frith
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Marsh [mailto:marshp@richmond.ac.uk]
Subject: frith
Kristopher wrote:
> I've heard great things about the 1.) guitar quartet; 2.) solo
performances;
> 3.) other "composed" and ensemble material (i.e. the double album of
graphic
> score performances; PACIFICA; string quartets; etc); 4.) (sort of) ad =
hoc
> groupings (anyone like the trio with Mori and Larry Ochs? the LATER =
album
> w/ Mori and Mark Dresser? what about the albums with Chris Cutler?); =
5.)
> smaller ensembles, assumedly of Fred's compositions (some =
sextet...?); 6.)
> film music.
Another interesting context in wich I liked hearing Frith play was the =
album
with Percy Howard (the leadsinger of N=FBs) on the Materiali Sonori =
label (for
info check http://www.matson.it). The band features Hayward on vocals, =
AND
as a backing band the revitalised Massacre band (frith on guitar, =
laswell on
bass and hayward on drums).
The album has a great mixture of composed basic structures on wich fred
frith freaks out. Definitely more mainstream than Henry Cow, but still
worthwile checking out IMHO. But watch out with this album, some people
think that Howard sounds like a cheap Tom Jones. He has a disctinctive
voice-style, so better listen first to this album.
Around the same time the album "funny valentine" by Massacre was =
recorded
for tzadik, but that is well know, isn't it?
Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten
NP Hands To (Cdr on the Manifold label)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:40:42 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: RE: frith
- -----Original Message-----
From: Verstraeten Stefan
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: frith
The band features Hayward on vocals, AND
as a backing band the revitalised Massacre band (frith on guitar, laswell on
bass and hayward on drums).
- -----------------------------------------------------
ooops, I meant off course Howard on vocals, and not Hayward... imagine a
band with a lead singer who does not sing.... sounds like Otomo Yoshihide
and friends (guitar with no strings, mixing desk with no input, sampler
without samples).....
Best wishes
Stefan Verstraeten
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:23:30 +0200
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: Re[2]: frith
Verstraeten> Another interesting context in wich I liked hearing Frith play was the album
Verstraeten> with Percy Howard (the leadsinger of N√s) on the Materiali Sonori label (for
Verstraeten> info check http://www.matson.it). The band features Hayward on vocals, AND
Verstraeten> as a backing band the revitalised Massacre band (frith on guitar, laswell on
Verstraeten> bass and hayward on drums).
Verstraeten> Around the same time the album "funny valentine" by Massacre was recorded
Verstraeten> for tzadik, but that is well know, isn't it?
"Funny Valentine" was recorded on the same day as the Percy Howard
recording. The studio was booked for a longer time than the recordings
took. So Frith, Laswell and Hayward did an improvised session. After
this session they called the group Massacre. But as Frith mentioned he
first didn't want this because Massacre was his group playing his
compositions and "Funny Valentine" is all improvised.
PEACE
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:27:10 +0200
From: Fritz Feger <Fritz.Feger@talknet.de>
Subject: Re: Morals
One week is a long time on the list... hundreds of postings since, but anyway:
Hugo wrote:
>I'm always slightly missionary when I hear questions like Is art moral, Is
>love good. I've probably read too much Korzybski, so I think of these
>questions as
>noise. Unanswerable. There is nothing that can be called "Art" and also
>moral is a rather abstract term. Abstraction meaning so many levels away
>from actual experience, that it becomes almost void.
First, I absolutely agree with Patrice that in considering something crap,
which noone will deny to do from time to time, you implicitly evaluate the
rest positively (if you don't consider everything crap). And this remainder
might be labelled "art" or "morally good". The noisiness of chats about
abstract concepts like "art" or "the morally good" probably everyone of us
has already experienced is, IMHO, a result of a lack of abstraction or an
uncritical attitude towards personal experience and can be overcome; please
email me privately for a reading list from Aristotle via Kant to smart
contemporary minds. (Patrice: among them books with titles everyone can
understand, esp. recent ones ;-)
Secondly, and less off-topic, I'm always slightly missionary when I hear
questions like Is art moral. Of course it is. Instead of producing abstract
noise, I remind of the recent Kristallnacht debate and Steve's comments on
Dave Douglas' Witness. One could claim that Zorn and Douglas and some
weirdo idealists are alone in considering these works morally relevant, but
I think the opposite hypothesis is more likely to be true: that some people
are immune against the moral content of art, and that this insensitivity is
a defect. Obvious cases are those who think films like Fight Club and Funny
Games or books like American Psycho and Glamorama are morally indifferent
towards violence and merely serve as a guide to violent people. Or
Kristallnacht is indifferent towards antisemitism.
Fritz.
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