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zorn-list Digest Monday, August 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 100
In this issue:
Re: melvins
Re: masada: general question
Re: Grand Guinore
Re: masada: general question
Re: Laswell/Ulmer Power Trio
Re: masada: general question
Metatron
Re: masada: general question
Re: Bible Launcher
Re: Grand Guinore
zorn/mori/patton
RE: Grand Guinore
reissue of 1st Golden Palominos?
Re: zorn/mori/patton
Re: reissue of 1st Golden Palominos?
Re: reissue of 1st Golden Palominos?
GradGrindCore
GradGrindCore
Re: GradGrindCore
Re: Duras:Duchamp
Re: Masada 7
Re: Masada 7
Re: Masada 7
Re: Parachute?
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:58:24 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: tkorpipa@siba.fi
Subject: Re: melvins
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, David Newgarden wrote:
> >>Another former player in the Melvins list of soldiers was King Buzzo's
> >>then girlie-friend, known as Lorax.
>
> >I may be misremembering, but I think I remember hearing that she was
> >Shirley Temple Black's daughter.
>
> This Melvins discussion is finally getting interesting...
i just read a recent melvins interview, and while i can't remember the
exact name, one former bandmember's mother really is temple. she/he
(can't remember) was fired 'cause of his/hers heroin problems...
teemu
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:::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck -
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:08:04 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: masada: general question
> I was hoping someone could answer a question about the Masada discs.
> I have 1 and 6 as well as Bar Khoda (sp?). I really like 1 and Bar
> Khoda but am not as fond of 6. Can anyone tell me what the other
> discs are like? Do they tend to run toward a the "Jewish" sound (for
> lack of a better term) of 1 and Bar Khoda or toward the
> "Ornetteishness" of 6?
I think it is a general idea in Masada discs for Zorn to have this "Jewish"
sound mixed into some jazz, sometimes with a traditional sound and
sometimes a bit more modern. That Jewish sound is pretty constant
throughout the discs, but Masada 1 has some less jazzy, maybe a bit more
fusion-y tracks on it. I would recommened Masada 2, and then perhaps you
could look for the original Masada versions of tracks you like from Bar
Kokhba. For example the simple but great Abidan from both discs of Bar
Kokhba is on Masada 3.
> Also can anyone suggest other discs that might appeal to me based on
> the above (ex. how is the New Klezmer Trio, etc.).
Haven't heard the NKT, but David Krakauer's "Klezmer Madness!" is an
excellent addition to your Klezmer collection (he plays clarinet on "Bar
Kokhba").
Julian
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:59:55 -0400
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
stickman <stickman@warwick.net> wrote:
>what is the exact chronology of the Naked City releases (by year)?
>is it:
>Naked City
>Grand Guignol
>Torture Garden
>Heretic
>Leng T'che
>Radio
>Absinthe
I believe it's:
Naked City (1989 - Elektra/Nonesuch)
Torture Garden (1990 - Shimmy-Disc)
Leng Tch'e (1992 - Toy's Factory)
Heretic (1992 - Avant 001)
Grand Guignol (1992 - Avant 002)
Radio (1993 - Avant 003)
Absinthe (1993 - Avant 004)
but I'm not _exactly_ sure when in 1992 "Leng Tch'e" came out, so it
could either be before H & GG, in between them, or after them.
- -Patrick
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:17:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: masada: general question
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Julian wrote:
> > Also can anyone suggest other discs that might appeal to me based on
> > the above (ex. how is the New Klezmer Trio, etc.).
The New Klezmer Trio are totally amazing; pick up either of their records
on Tzadik. Their 1st one, 'Masks and Faces' is a lot more traditional
than 'Melt Zonk Rewire', though both are pretty out and all the better for
it. Unlike Masada, a lot of the tunes are traditional klezmer melodies
that the group pretty much kicks up side the head. And even
when they go especially "out", it's totally free from any kind of "jazz"
stream of thought as I see it (in contrast to the Masada/Ornette reference
you made), it seems to me that they're drawing from a much older
tradition, hypnotic trance singing or something. It's really like nothing
I've ever heard before.
Someone else mentioned David Krakauer, 'Klezmer Madness' is a great record
as far as klezmer playing meeting up with something of a "downtown"
sensibility. Apparently a klezmer tribute to Sidney Bechet is in the
works with this group, should be be nothing but fun...
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:34:14 -0500
From: Richard C Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Laswell/Ulmer Power Trio
Phil wrote:
>
> I know it's been months since you were discussing whether Bill Laswell had
> played in a power trio with James "Blood" Ulmer, but a quick trawl through
> Ulmer's discography at http://www.nwu.edu/WNUR/jazz/artists revealed the
> following:
>
> JAMES BLOOD ULMER "Wings"
> JAZZ FILE JF1006
>
>
> James Blood Ulmer: g,voc
> Bill Laswell: b
> Ronald Shannon Jackson: dr
>
> rec. Zurich, 4.11.1988
>
> I guess this is it. Looks good - has anyone heard it?
I wasn't aware this had been released on CD! I've got it on
tape(fromFM), and it sounds great(assuming you can get past Blood's
singing). Sort of like the bluesy stuff Last Exit used to do, but a bit
less frenetic. They also recorded a studio album with this line-up, but
I believe it's out of print. Sonny Sharrock once described this band as
"one long version of Blind Willie". A bit harsh, but not entirely
untrue.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:54:28 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: masada: general question
Tom Benton wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Julian wrote:
>
> > > Also can anyone suggest other discs that might appeal to me based
> on
> > > the above (ex. how is the New Klezmer Trio, etc.).
>
> Someone else mentioned David Krakauer, 'Klezmer Madness' is a great
> record
> as far as klezmer playing meeting up with something of a "downtown"
> sensibility. Apparently a klezmer tribute to Sidney Bechet is in the
> works with this group, should be be nothing but fun...
Also along these lines, and not to be missed, is the new Andy Statman
"Music of the Jewish Mystics." Klezmer meets Coltrane ?! And, let's
not forget the two excellent Itzhak Perlman "Fiddler in the House."
Both feature the bands of Statman, the Klezmatics, et al. All out fun.
Another good one is Hasidic New Wave's "Jews and the Abstract Truth"
(great title). And Kronos Quartet has a new CD which features Krakauer,
"Isaac the Blind." Another good one is "Song of Our Fathers" which is
an Andy Statman & David Grisman collaboration. These, perhaps with the
exception of the Hasidic NW, are much less influenced by "jazz" than
Masada. Perhaps closer to Eastern European klezmer roots than Zorn
tries to be. Masada really has it's own niche.
Alan E Kayser
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:47:12 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Metatron
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Dear all
Further to last week's posting re Praxis' Metatron special edition, I
find myself in the position of having one to trade. I also have a vinyl
copy of Wayne Horvitz's This New Generation going spare.
Mail me with your suggestions for swaps, bribes and other incentives.
Scott Russell
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Information Systems Specialist
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Email:Srussell@cims.co.uk
Tel: 0141 552 6255 ext3628
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:55:39 -0500
From: Richard C Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: masada: general question
ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:
> Perhaps closer to Eastern European klezmer roots than Zorn
> tries to be. Masada really has it's own niche.
Speaking of Eastern European Klezmer roots, Check out:
Ivo Papasov and his Orchestra
Balkanology
Ryko/Hannibal HNCD-1363
This is more zany wedding band stuff, from Bulgaria, and not dissimilar
to what's been described in this thread.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:43:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Yves Dewulf wrote:
> Why was it removed from the catalog?
my understanding is that
there was some concern over the
use of the christian samples
and the possibility of being sued
by Fundamentalists.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:00:32 -0700
From: "pjm" <pjm@memes.com>
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
Marc A. Foster Said:
> In fact, I think "Heretic"
> is one of the most difficult albums I own. You probably won't be walking
> down the street whistling "Absinthe", but most of Heretic makes me feel
> like I'm going to throw up. But then maybe that's what makes it good.
Pjm says:
I agree whole heartedly. "Heretic" seems to make very little sense to my
ears and leaves me very disoriented. The pieces seem way too long to me.
The only way I can listen to it is to put it in the CD player w/ "torture
garden" and a few powerviolence and/grindcore CDs and hit random and hope
it gets mixed real well. I've only been able to sit all the way through it
3 or 4 times. I had the same problem with "Nani Nani".
For what it's worth,
pjm
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: zorn/mori/patton
so, did anyone see this at Slime's (8/12)?
how was it?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:31:21 -0700
From: Marlene McMullen <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: RE: Grand Guinore
- ----------
From: pjm[SMTP:pjm@memes.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 10:00 AM
To: Marc A.Foster; zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
Marc A. Foster Said:
> In fact, I think "Heretic"
> is one of the most difficult albums I own. You probably won't be walking
> down the street whistling "Absinthe", but most of Heretic makes me feel
> like I'm going to throw up. But then maybe that's what makes it good.
Pjm says:
I agree whole heartedly. "Heretic" seems to make very little sense to my
ears and leaves me very disoriented. The pieces seem way too long to me.
The only way I can listen to it is to put it in the CD player w/ "torture
garden" and a few powerviolence and/grindcore CDs and hit random and hope
it gets mixed real well. I've only been able to sit all the way through it
3 or 4 times. I had the same problem with "Nani Nani".
For what it's worth,
pjm
I wasn't going to buy HERETIC, but now it is on the top of my list...i'll let you know...
binge & purge,
schwitterz
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:00:48 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: reissue of 1st Golden Palominos?
I saw in a store the following:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - GOLDEN PALOMINOS
1997 (?) - Celluloid (USA), CPCD 8198 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anybody know if it is a recent reissue?
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:01:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Holmes <blholmes@best.com>
Subject: Re: zorn/mori/patton
The first set was awesome, Patton/Zorn vocaly terrozing the crowd, over
intense drum loops by Mori. Zorn played an amazing solo piece for about
ten minutes with Patton and Mori providing ambience. Then Mori played an
astounding drum piece, mixing about six different loops, and they meshed
beautifully. The set ended with some rap-type beat song, and Zorn
introducing everyone with small solos.
Unfortunately the terrible Slim's (Slime'S) experience of 100 degree heat,
unventilated smoke and ovecrowded area, got me too sick to stay for the
second set. I have complained incesantly about the concept of open windows
and ceiling fans, but Slim's amazingly continues to pack 'em in without a
modicum of change. I just wish Zorn would go back to playing at the Great
Amaerican Music Hall. The shows there were ten million times better, and
half the price.
End Music Venue Rant.
Ciao,
BLH
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
> so, did anyone see this at Slime's (8/12)?
> how was it?
>
> hasta.
>
> Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:20:06 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: reissue of 1st Golden Palominos?
At 11:00 AM 8/18/97 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> I saw in a store the following:
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---
>
>*** - GOLDEN PALOMINOS
>
> 1997 (?) - Celluloid (USA), CPCD 8198 (CD)
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---
>
>Does anybody know if it is a recent reissue?
Could be, but I have an older reissue of it on Celluloid. The person who
owns the rights to this has been reissuing stuff and relicensing stuff
constantly.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:48:17 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: reissue of 1st Golden Palominos?
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:20:06 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 11:00 AM 8/18/97 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> >
> > I saw in a store the following:
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> >
> >*** - GOLDEN PALOMINOS
> >
> > 1997 (?) - Celluloid (USA), CPCD 8198 (CD)
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> >
> >Does anybody know if it is a recent reissue?
>
> Could be, but I have an older reissue of it on Celluloid. The person who
> owns the rights to this has been reissuing stuff and relicensing stuff
> constantly.
There are all the pressings that I am aware of:
1983 - Celluloid/OAO, CEL 6662 (LP)
1983 - OAO Record, OAO (UK) 001 (LP)
???? - Celluloid/OAO, CELCD 5002 (CD)
???? - Celluloid/OAO, CELC 5002 (CT)
1997 (?) - Celluloid (USA), CPCD 8198 (CD)
BTW, would anybody know also when the first CD version was released?
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:16:19 -0400
From: "Ockham's stubble" <boshuck@triples.math.mcgill.ca>
Subject: GradGrindCore
for what it's worth (sorry), heretic is one of my favourite naked city
albums, perhaps for the very reasons below (nostalgia, knuckles white
as the porcelain lurching now this way, now that -- crapulous sunrise
lav getaway); a friend once felicitously described it as chamber naked
city.
- -b
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:26:39 -0400
From: "Ockham's stubble" <boshuck@triples.math.mcgill.ca>
Subject: GradGrindCore
sorry, `below' was intended to indicate the inadvertently elided messages
of pjm and mfoster.
- -b
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:38:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Subject: Re: GradGrindCore
> a friend once felicitously described it as chamber naked city.
Zorn himself has compared Torture Garden to Anton Webern's bagatelles.
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland
http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:42:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: Duras:Duchamp
I bought Cynical Hysterie two days ago (Aug. 16). Duras was there too, as
was the first filmworks.
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, dayna wrote:
> The street-date for Duras-Duchamp (and FIlmworks 8) in the U.S. is NEXT
> week, August 19. Are some stores getting these early?
>
> One of the reasons I ask is that I work at a large music distribution
> company, and WE won't get these in to our warehouse until Friday.
>
> I also got the Koch Distribution one-sheet on the Parachute Years set.
> $99.98 list price and supposedly only 1000 made world-wide. Wasn't one
> of the reasons behind Tzadik to make a lot of these hard to find pieces
> widely available?
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:49:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Re: Masada 7
Is it 9? Bar Kokbva has an 8 on the side of it.
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 Knutboy@aol.com wrote:
> OOps, yes, I meant EIGHT. So many, many Masada's!!!!!
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:11:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada 7
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote:
> Is it 9? Bar Kokbva has an 8 on the side of it.
>
I think this means that it's release No. 8 in the Radical Jewish Culture
Series on Tzadik. I don't think Bar Kohkba figures into the standard
Masada chronology.
- -tom
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:36 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Masada 7
y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote:
> Is it 9? Bar Kokbva has an 8 on the side of it.
No, it's Masada 8. The "8" on the spine of "Bar Kokhba" refers to its
being the eighth release in the Radical Jewish Culture series on Tzadik.
Steve
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:47:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Parachute?
>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:03:06 +0000
>From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@gold.tc.umn.edu>
>Subject: Masada 8; Parachute?
>
> Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly will be on the
>Parachute Box CDs? It'll just be the Parachute albums that
>feature Zorn, right? I looked at the Zorn discography and
>couldn't figure out how that material could fill up 6 CDs.
>There are 5 Parachute albums listed in the discography. Each
>one gets a CD, plus a CD of oddities? Then again, "Archery"
>doesn't look like it could fit on one CD....
>
I haven't seen a detailed listing of the Parachute box, but at least two of
the Parachute albums, Archery and maybe Pool (I lost the outside boxes years
ago, and the labels for the one I'm calling Pool have billiard balls on
them, and nothing else) were two record sets.
- --
Caleb T. Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
;; For every complex question there is a simple answer.
;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken)
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