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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, July 13 2000       Volume 02 : Number 1000



In this issue:
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       re: Steve Reich
       Re: Steve Reich
       yeah NO and tonic gigs next week
       Re: Steve Reich
       Re: Horo Records
       Re: Steve Reich
       Re: Steve Reich
       Re: Steve Reich miscellany
       AECO's Chi Congo
       Re: Steve Reich
       Re: new dream syndicate cd
       Zorn at the Barbican - 3/7/00
       Re: Steve Reich
       RE: Steve Reich
       Re: Steve Reich
       RE: Steve Reich
       Re: Steve Reich
       Re: Steve Reich
       Re: aeco

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:36:23 -0400
From: David Beardsley <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Steve Reich

James Graves <[e-mail]> writes:

> The recent thread on Reich has piqued my curiosityin him. My experiences
> with his music has been sporadic, all I'm familiar with is the Different
> Trains recording on Nonesuch, the All Night Flight Recording from 1969,
> and Pendulum Music on SYR 4. I've seriously enjoyed everything I've heard,
> so where should I go from here?

The All Night Flight is by Terry Riley. As for Reich,
try Music for 18 Musicans.


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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:10:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

In a message dated 7/13/00 9:18:38 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< On another note, I saw that electronic musicians Pita and Fennesz will be
performing in nearby Cleveland in a few weeks. I have one of Pita's CD's,
but has anyone seen them live? >>

yes, they're both well worth seeing, especially if the venue has a reasonably
good sound system.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: jason tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: yeah NO and tonic gigs next week

I just have to say how impressed I am with chris
speed's project, yeah NO. I saw them again at tonic
last night, they are really on a roll with this group.
it is likely they will be playing around more, I
suggest that if you are within driving distance to nyc
check them out.

next week is a big tonic week
my jaw almost dropped, wait I think it did.

Mon, Jul 17
John Medeski, John Zorn & Marc Ribot

Wed, Jul 19
╗ John Zorn's Masada

with the way zorn played uptown at masada fest, I am
definately checking out these two gigs.




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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:53:50 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:17:46 -0400 (EDT)  James Graves wrote:
>
> The recent thread on Reich has piqued my curiosityin him. My experiences
> with his music has been sporadic, all I'm familiar with is the Different
> Trains recording on Nonesuch, the All Night Flight Recording from 1969,
> and Pendulum Music on SYR 4. I've seriously enjoyed everything I've heard,
> so where should I go from here?

Top favorites (although I have a hard time to find any by him that do not
fall in this category):

MUSIC FOR EIGHTEEN MUSICIANS (one of the most gorgeous composition ever
    written!!!)
OCTET (now also available in a modified version as EIGHT LINES)
TEHILLIM (gorgeous vocals!!!)
MUSIC FOR A LARGE ENSEMBLE

You should also try his earlier and more minimalistic compositions, such
as:

PHASE PATTERNS
FOUR ORGANS (perfect to drive nuts your neighbours)
DRUMMING (about two hours of percussion and now a yawn)

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:04:12 -0500
From: Moudry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Horo Records

Andreas said:
>Yes it=B4s Horo. This label went out of business nearly 20 years ago. AFAIK=
=20
>the label owner in Italy still has some copies in stock and is willing to=
=20
>purchase - but with horrible costs (around $100 a piece as I remember). A=
=20
>list of the issues is online as part of the Sun Ra website (due to the=
 three=20
>Ra records): www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry/discog/horo.htm
>
>Andreas

The label owner's demands for purchasing copies of the surviving stock of
Horo Records was even worse:
He would only sell the records in orders of five catalogue entries per
order, with US$500.00 for the set in his hands before shipping. The real
kicker is the fact that the buyer could NOT chose which of the items would
be sold: Sinesto (sp?? this is from memory on a Thursday morning) would
make the selection himself when filling the order.

Needless to say, I've yet to learn of anyone taking him up on this "special
offer". In my nieve stupidity I still find myself stunned by the Disney
world view of the corporation holding all control of the results of
creative peoples' products.... If any of that stock & the rights to
reproduce, were to be given to the musicians I doubt that the collector's
price would last for long (and the music could actually be experienced=
 again).

The Lester Bowie item that began the discussion, by the way is:
HDP 29-30: African children (a two lp set).

Hope this helps.

Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham

Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:05:55 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

Jamie,

Gosh, I started exploring Reich a couple of years ago and almost
everything I found I liked.  I eventually got the box set... but
before you do that I'll suggest a few:

Music for 18 Musicians
Drumming
Music for Mallet Instruments, Voice, and Organ
Four Sections
Eight Lines

All of these (and more) are pieces that I really enjoy.

Start with these.

Dan Hewins

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:16:26 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

STEVE REICH    "DRUMMING"         Deutsche Grammophon DG 2740 106-3
  Steve Reich & Musicians     Drumming       part I (24.35)
       part II (25.19)       part III (15.40)       part IV (18.57)
     Six Pianos (24.14)
     Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Organ (18.32)

This CD is essential Reich. Parts III and IV of Drumming are exquisite after
the yawns of I and II. Music for Mallet Instruments. Voices and Organ is
also stunning.

Yet, Music For 18 Musicians is indeed the best he has to offer.


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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:38:40 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich miscellany

I find it fascinating that the phrase "Come out t' show dem" (a sample of
the Reich version appears at the beginning of the "Bruise Blood Remix" of
Tortoise's "Djed") occurs on Reich's 1967 tape loop composition "Come Out"
and in the lyric of Capt. Beefheart's 1969 composition, "Moonlight On
Vermont."


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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:26:39 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: AECO's Chi Congo

Andreas displayed urgent persistence thusly:
"Is there really nobody out there who can give a few lines on 'Chi
Congo'?"

I have a copy. Among my least played AEC, just as some of those red
sleeved Sun Ra sides purchased at his concert are reserved for very
special moments of psychedelic openness.... My recollection is that Chi
Congo is very percussion oriented, waves and waves skins being beaten
with occasional hornish ornamentation. Perhaps it's time to pull it out
for another listen....

I'm enjoying all this Lester and AECo talk so much, I'm wondering if
there's an AECO listserv....

Martin
___

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:37:56 +0100
From: "Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

I find it amazing that two members of the Zorn list can find all or parts of
"Drumming" a yawn-fest. They didn't call it minimalism for nothing, you
know....;-)

Parts 3 & 4 don't have half the power unless you get the slow build of parts
1 & 2.

"Early Music", containing (amongst others) the tape pieces "Come Out" and
"It's Gonna Rain", is essential. I think Beefheart quoting the former on
"Moonlight on Vermont" is an example of his excellent taste. Mind you, i
thought the "bruise blood" mix of Tortoises's "DJd" by UNKLE was the poorest
of the series.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: s~Z <[e-mail]>
To: Zorn List Message <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Reich


> STEVE REICH    "DRUMMING"         Deutsche Grammophon DG 2740 106-3
>   Steve Reich & Musicians     Drumming       part I (24.35)
>        part II (25.19)       part III (15.40)       part IV (18.57)
>      Six Pianos (24.14)
>      Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Organ (18.32)
>
> This CD is essential Reich. Parts III and IV of Drumming are exquisite
after
> the yawns of I and II. Music for Mallet Instruments. Voices and Organ is
> also stunning.
>
> Yet, Music For 18 Musicians is indeed the best he has to offer.
>
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:52:19 +0100
From: "Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd

Someone has already suggested that it's of historical interest only, which I
kinda agree with, but find it quite enjoyable in its own right. If you
approach it as a Conrad/Cale record you'd be closer to the mark - some
thumps which may be McLise or may be glitches on the tape occur
occasionally, and it'd take better ears than mine to pick out any voices. As
a violin/viola drone though, it's great. It also has the effect of making
every other noise you hear for about half an hour afterwards sound more
intense and interesting than usual...

I think it's depressing that we have to "pick sides" on the whole Dream
Syndicate thing. What is La Monte Young scared of?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Caleb T. Deupree <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:53 AM
Subject: new dream syndicate cd


> A couple of months ago the Wire raved about a new Table of Elements
> release, Inside the Dream Syndicate Volume 1, with Cale, Conrad, MacLise,
> Young and Zazeela.  After a delay it's finally starting to show up in
> stores, but the Anomalous Records web site is quite disparaging of the
> release, saying that it appears to be Conrad's view of the Dream
Syndicate,
> that MacLise is inaudible, that it's only 31 minutes long and 'not
> representative of the period whatsoever'.  Anyone else heard this and care
> to register an opinion?
>
> --
> Caleb Deupree
> [e-mail]
>
> Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt.
Dance
> like nobody's watching.
>
> -- Satchel Paige
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:10:57 +0100
From: "Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn at the Barbican - 3/7/00

This review appeared in "The Guardian" on 6 July. I've cut the non-Zorn
content at the end re: the Barbican's jazz policy, but I though the rest
might interest people - even if Mr Fordham does seem to be paid by the
comma...

Zorn to be wild - John Fordham sees a star of jazz improv at the Barbican

When John Zorn, the volcanically productive new-music alchemist, picked up
his alto sax at the Barbican this week, the audience braced itself for a
ride to the brink of migraine. The American saxophonist and composer had
appeared on this stage twice in the previous nine months. But while those
occasions featured first chamber music, then a blend of jazz and traditional
Jewish music, this time Zorn brought a heavyweight improvising band
featuring former Henry Cow guitarist Fred Frith, drummer David Lombardo and
bassist Bill Laswell.

Lombardo's sinister tappings heightened expectations at the opening, and
sure enough Zorn opened with probably the loudest and longest overblown
alto-sax note heard on that stage. The pieces were urgent and succinct,
frequently winding up on abrupt crash-stops or circituitous but logical
decelerations.

With barely perceptible nods and gestures, Zorn determined who payed with
whom, and when. While some improv purists might describe this as cheating,
the framework kept the audience insured against everything that Zorn and
Frith cold hurl at it. Nor was it all white-heat improvising. A scrambled,
lopsidedly swinging Frith intro brought Zorn to a spine-tingling sax lament,
which ended in a trance-like fluttering of the instrument's pads alone. A
whirling, repeated Ornette Coleman-like figure brought an exquisite solo of
glinting sounds from Frith.

A barrage of squalling between Frith and Zorn gaveway to an episode of movie
soundtrack atmospherics between Laswell and Lombardo. Zorn made a motorbike
sound way below the alto's range and Frith detuned to follow him, but then
the saxophonist turned to breezy, dancing figures. It was fluid, restless,
wild, and rich in contrast. The audience reaction was ecstatic, despite the
mugging of its eardrums by Zorn's ferocious music.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:16:39 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:37:56 +0100  "Alastair Wilson" wrote:
>
> I find it amazing that two members of the Zorn list can find all or parts of
> "Drumming" a yawn-fest. They didn't call it minimalism for nothing, you
> know....;-)

s~Z mentioned yawning at the beginning. For my part, I wrote "no yawn".

Anyway, yawning at the beginning is a compliment (since most people have trouble
to maintain interest over a few minutes). Only yawning at the end is negative :-).

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:07:06 -0400
From: Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Steve Reich

I recommend Reich's Triple Quartet, which was commissioned for Kronos.  They
perform a version for string quartet and recorded sound.  I've also seen an
all-live version, performed two to a part (absolutely beautiful!).  During a
lecture Reich gave at Juilliard in May, he said Triple Quartet will be
presented three to a part sometime next year.  He also discussed Nagoya
Marimbas, City Lights, and Different Trains at length.

Jeni

p.s. I plan to visit Denver soon.  Please email me privately if you have
advice on venues, music stores, etc.  Thanks in advance.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:09:58 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:07:06 -0400  Jeni Dahmus wrote:
>
> I recommend Reich's Triple Quartet, which was commissioned for Kronos.  They

Which is available in every record store, I suppose...

Are you talking about something new? Because I am not aware of any record with
this composition.

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:48:33 -0400
From: Jeni Dahmus <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Steve Reich

Patrice wrote:
> Which is available in every record store, I suppose...
>
> Are you talking about something new? Because I am not aware
> of any record with this composition.

Reich composed Triple Quartet in 1999.  Kronos premiered it last summer, and
the New Juilliard Ensemble premiered the all-live version in January.  I
don't know when a commercial recording will be released.  Reich played
Kronos's rehearsal tape during his lecture.

Kronos performs Triple Quartet regularly.  Check out the schedule at
www.kronosquartet.org.

In my last message, I meant to type "City Life," not "City Lights" (oops).
It's been a long day...

Jeni

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:56:45 +0100
From: "Alastair Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

>
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:37:56 +0100  I wrote:
> >
> > I find it amazing that two members of the Zorn list can find all or
parts of
> > "Drumming" a yawn-fest. They didn't call it minimalism for nothing, you
> > know....;-)
>

And later Patrice wrote...
> s~Z mentioned yawning at the beginning. For my part, I wrote "no yawn".
>
> Anyway, yawning at the beginning is a compliment (since most people have
trouble
> to maintain interest over a few minutes). Only yawning at the end is
negative :-).


Ah, the joys of email...I took the fact that you wrote

> DRUMMING (about two hours of percussion and now a yawn)

as meaning you no longer found it interesting. Perhaps you meant to type
"not a yawn". Agreed.

Confession time: I found myself struggling against sleep during a
performance of Reich's "The Cave" at the Royal Festival Hall. Even the
visuals couldn't attract enough attention. Anyone else zzzzed through a
performance?


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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:46:54 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Steve Reich

s~Z wrote:

> This CD is essential Reich. Parts III and IV of Drumming are exquisite after
> the yawns of I and II.

Man, part I with the tuned tom-toms is, for these ears, the finest
example of rigorous minimalism around. I still place 'Drumming' as a
whole at the top of Reich's works, but I'd also highly recommend the
Octet/Violin Phase recording on ECM, the Sextet on Nonesuch and the Four
Organs on Wergo (or, if you're lucky enough to find it, the original
version on Angel-?-where it's matched with Cage's 'Dances' for prepared
piano).

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:57:48 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: aeco

Andreas Dietz wrote:

> >From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
> >
> >On the other hand, there actually IS a pirate CD available of an incre=
dibly
> >rare
> >Art Ensemble album recorded around the same time for a label called
> >Galloway.  It,
> >too, features a guest spot by Fontella Bass.  The pirate CD doesn't ev=
en
> >identify a
> >label name, just a catalog number: 2005006-X2.  Clearly a vinyl dub.  =
Weird
> >record,
> >with the AECO augmented with extra brass and string ensemble on some p=
arts.
> >  Dates
> >from March 1970.
>
> I purchased this strange one a few months ago entitled 'Go Home'. Does
> anybody have the line up (it=B4s only partly indicated on the cover).

Yes, sorry I forgot to mention the title when I first posted - this is ex=
actly
the disc to which  I was referring.  As for personnel, it's Bowie, Mitche=
ll,
Jarman and Favors, with Fontella Bass on 1 track, "Hello Chi (part 2)."  =
And on
one track, the 15 minute closer "Dance," the quartet is joined by trumpet=
ers
Ivan Julien, Bernard Vit, and Ambrose Jackson, alto saxophonist Alain Mat=
ot,
tenor saxophonists Kenneth Terroade and Jean-Louis Chautemps, trombonist
Katarzinsky (only one name given?), two unknown trombonists, unidentified
percussionists and a string section.  This was recorded in March and Apri=
l 1970
at Studio Ossian in Paris, released as Galloway 600502.  It looks like Do=
n Moye
is on the cover, but he's apparently not on the recording.

This information was forwarded to me from someone who has a copy of an AE=
CO
Discography published in Brussels in 1983.
Interesting that the catalog number on the pirate CD is *almost* the cata=
log
number of the legit LP, but in reverse.

Wish I had 'Chi-Congo' myself.  I'd also love 'Certain Blacks' and am pra=
ying
for a CD reissue of the 2LP live set issued on BYG.  Other than those thr=
ee
items, I think my AECO collection is actually complete, including a live
bootleg LP issued in Greece in the '80s!

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Jamie Saft, "Midwood Cowboy," 'Sovlanut' (Tzadik)


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