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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #99
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zorn-list Digest Monday, August 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 099
In this issue:
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98
Re: Grand Guinore
Re: Masada Cds In Los Angeles Area
Lori Carson
Laswell/Ulmer Power Trio
Re: Lori Carson (was:Re: Nicole Blackman)
Masada 8; Parachute?
Re: Masada 8; Parachute?
Re: Grand Guinore
re: heretic, absinthe
Absinthe pics
re: heretic, absinthe
Re: Grand Guignol & Absinthe
Re: heretic, absinthe
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98
Re: Grand Guinore
Re: Absinthe/SPK
Re: The Grand Guignol
masada: general question
Re: grand guignol and carny
Bible Launcher
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:21:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: WINRECORDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98
RE: Masada 7/8
Having trouble locating these in the L.A. area (especially #7...i know it's
been out for a bit but i have yet to see a copy here.) This is odd, because
the Masada releases have never been that difficult to come by here. Is their
distribution different now? Anyway, wondering if there are there any mail
order companies that carry these titles??
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:11:14 +0000
From: "Marc A.Foster" <mfoster@datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
Steve Smith wrote:
>
> "Heretic" is nice but very episodic... and none of the tracks features
> the complete band, if that makes a difference. And "Absinthe" is
> probably the most difficult of the Naked City releases...
For the record:
"Absinthe" is big departure from the standard Naked City sound, but for
me, it is much less difficult than "Heretic". In fact, I think "Heretic"
is one of the most difficult albums I own. You probably won't be walking
down the street whistling "Absinthe", but most of Heretic makes me feel
like I'm going to throw up. But then maybe that's what makes it good.
I'd still pick "Absinthe" as one of my favorite Zorn albums and
"Heretic" as one of my least favorite.
Marc A. Foster
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:02:40 -0700
From: "mcmullenm" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Masada Cds In Los Angeles Area
Dear Winrecords--
Have you checked PooBah Records in Pasadena? They will order it for you if
they don't have it in stock...626-449-3359...[use 818 area code if 626
doesn't work, but i'm pretty sure they are in the new 626 area]...PooBah
has found me every CD i have ever searched for...they will do it by mail if
you live too far to drive there...
Rakete,
Sz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr muu?
-- Kurt Schwitters
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:00:51 +0000
From: Phil <phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Lori Carson
Stickman wrote:
>>What is the status of Lori Carson? Any good web links for info
on her?
Try http://www.specialoperations.com/lori.html. It's an unofficial site &
will link you to the Golden Palominos site too.
Phil Clarkson
phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:11:58 +0000
From: Phil <phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Laswell/Ulmer Power Trio
I know it's been months since you were discussing whether Bill Laswell had
played in a power trio with James "Blood" Ulmer, but a quick trawl through
Ulmer's discography at http://www.nwu.edu/WNUR/jazz/artists revealed the
following:
JAMES BLOOD ULMER "Wings"
JAZZ FILE JF1006
1) Lady Blue (Ulmer) ( 9:17)
2) After Dark (Ulmer) (13:08)
3) Black Sheep (Ulmer) ( 8:59)
4) Wings/Drum Solo (Ulmer) (12:53)
5) Show Me Your Love America (Ulmer) (10:33)
6) I Belong In The USA (Ulmer) (13:07)
James Blood Ulmer: g,voc
Bill Laswell: b
Ronald Shannon Jackson: dr
rec. Zurich, 4.11.1988
I guess this is it. Looks good - has anyone heard it?
Phil
phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk.
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:49:52 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Lori Carson (was:Re: Nicole Blackman)
At 09:05 AM 8/16/97 -0700, stickman wrote:
>Jeff & all,
> What is the status of Lori Carson? I must say that one of my
>favorite CDs this year is her recent, "everything I touch runs wild", do
>you know if she's touring or will be touring? Any good web links for info
>on her?
Bill and Anton have no current projects together, especially since Anton
killed the Palominos. Bill may use Lori on some more spoken word projects
but I have heard about nothing new.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:03:06 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Masada 8; Parachute?
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:50:36 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> BTW, what is the title of Masada 8?
It should be Het or some variant spelling thereof (Xet,
Cheth, Hchet).
Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly will be on the
Parachute Box CDs? It'll just be the Parachute albums that
feature Zorn, right? I looked at the Zorn discography and
couldn't figure out how that material could fill up 6 CDs.
There are 5 Parachute albums listed in the discography. Each
one gets a CD, plus a CD of oddities? Then again, "Archery"
doesn't look like it could fit on one CD....
- -- Charles
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:28:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Masada 8; Parachute?
In a message dated 97-08-17 04:30:43 EDT, gill0042@gold.tc.umn.edu (Charles
Gillett) writes:
> Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly will be on the
> Parachute Box CDs? It'll just be the Parachute albums that
> feature Zorn, right? I looked at the Zorn discography and
> couldn't figure out how that material could fill up 6 CDs.
> There are 5 Parachute albums listed in the discography. Each
> one gets a CD, plus a CD of oddities? Then again, "Archery"
> doesn't look like it could fit on one CD....
I hear there is about 2 hours worth of unreleased stuff, which makes it worth
buying. And if there's only 1000 being made, I think it will be highly sought
after once they are all gone.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:42:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
In a message dated 97-08-16 22:12:25 EDT, you write:
> "Absinthe" is big departure from the standard Naked City sound, but for
> me, it is much less difficult than "Heretic". In fact, I think "Heretic"
> is one of the most difficult albums I own. You probably won't be walking
> down the street whistling "Absinthe", but most of Heretic makes me feel
> like I'm going to throw up. But then maybe that's what makes it good.
>
> I'd still pick "Absinthe" as one of my favorite Zorn albums and
> "Heretic" as one of my least favorite.
>
I'll just go on record and say that "Heretic" is my favorite NC release,
except for maybe the first one, or "Radio". I especially like hearing
Frisell in duo or trio settings really reaming; this recording is really like
no other, although I cant say Ive ever felt the need to vomit while listening
to it.
:)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:52:32 -0600
From: louie <louie@sioux.sodak.net>
Subject: re: heretic, absinthe
> Also, can someone describe "Heretic" and "Absinthe"?
heretic: cut and paste jazz, almost cartoon music(reminds me of locus
solus at times) with each track featuring either frith/zorn or
frisell/frith/baron or zorn/eye, etc. each track being an individual
improv for the individual artists of naked city. typical NC nervousness,
but hey... (cool art too, as usual)
absnithe: dark abient sound loops. something i disliked at first and now
i find fantastic. one track is just a low hum for like six minutes. very
experimental. look absinthe up in the dictionary, the music describes it
(or it describes the music) very well. the artwork is typical zorn;
extremely high quality printing. and like the music, repetitious.(anyone
know what it is in the photo?)
(if you like absinthe, you'll like some of the tracks from the zorn/eye
release "nani nani". one track is 18 minutes of eye's screaming,
looped.)
- -louie
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:56:38 +0200
From: Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Absinthe pics
Louie wrote:
>look absinthe up in the dictionary, the music describes it
>(or it describes the music) very well. the artwork is typical zorn;
>extremely high quality printing. and like the music, repetitious.(anyone
>know what it is in the photo?)
I don't know about the inflated pustulous legs typical of zorn's
"high quality artwork", but the record itself (on the avant pressing)
has a photograph of french poet Paul Verlaine sitting in front
of a glass of absinthe (or is it the glass sitting in front of him?)
Stephane
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: re: heretic, absinthe
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, louie wrote:
> heretic: cut and paste jazz, almost cartoon music(reminds me of locus
this album is meant to be
a film soundtrack, but
i think perhaps it's a
soundtrack for an imaginary
film. regardless, i like
the way the tracks flow.
and if you liked the
artwork, check out the
book "Jeux des Dames Cruelles"
which all of the photos
are lifted from. i actually
found a copy of the book
at a local comic book
shop (of all places).
> experimental. look absinthe up in the dictionary, the music describes it
> (or it describes the music) very well.
speaking from experience,
the music describes the
*experience* of drinking
absinthe extremely well.
better than i could ever
with words.
there's an excellent book
on the history of absinthe
called "Absinthe: History
In A Bottle" by Barnaby Conrad III
(Chronicle Books). there
are also numerous web sites
with the absinthe FAQ
(including recipes).
> the artwork is typical zorn;
> extremely high quality printing. and like the music, repetitious.(anyone
> know what it is in the photo?)
the outside photo is a piece
by surealist artist, Hans Bellmer.
he constructed/painted many
"dolls" like these.
the liner notes credit the
piece as "Les Jeux de la Poupee".
the photo on the CD itself,
however, is that of
Paul Verlaine in an absinthe
stupor. note the glass
of his "humble ephemeral absinthe"
next to the inkwell on the table.
and i love the way
they did the photo in
that murky green color that
absinthe is.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:00:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Grand Guignol & Absinthe
A few more opinions on the Naked City albums Grand Guignol and Absinthe. I
find the short thrash pieces to be the most difficult of NC's varied output,
but what keeps me fascinated by the group is the sheer diversity of their
output. The pieces by the likes of Debussy, Messaien, and Ives (and then
juxtaposed with Torture Garden) form a core part of this impression, and for
me the first half of GG is therefore essential.
This goes doubly for the entire Absinthe album; if you like them for the
variety in their repertoire, this also is essential. Redbird would be
another possible point of reference in addition to those already mentioned,
but Feldman is definitely the closest in my experience.
My companion dislikes Naked City more than almost any other music in our
collection, but is remarkably open to other forms of strange electronica
(musique concrete, even Xenakis Legends of Eer was ok, etc.). The look I
got when I identified Absinthe as Naked City was extremely gratifying.
NP: Asmus Tietchens & Arcane Device
- --
Caleb T. Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
;; For every complex question there is a simple answer.
;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:56:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: heretic, absinthe
SUGAR in their vitamins?, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>artwork, check out the
>book "Jeux des Dames Cruelles"
>which all of the photos
>are lifted from. i actually
>found a copy of the book
>at a local comic book
>shop (of all places).
It's fairly easy to find here in the States.
A good source is the store/mail-order collective
Good Vibrations who also have a web presence at
http://www.goodvibes.com/
A quick search showed that they have it listed
on their website for $15.
cheers,
mike rizzi
- ------------------- rizzi@netcom.com -----------------------------------
www.browbeat.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch"
www.grin.net/~rizzi/burma.html
browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ----------------
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Date: 17 Aug 97 21:43:00 -0400
From: "Matthew S. Cramer" <cramer@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98
On Sat, Aug 16, 1997 1:55 PM, dayna <tricky88@earthlink.net>wrote:
Anyone interested in this? The sooner I know; the sooner I can let the
buyer know how many of these to bring in. Even Abbey Road won't be
ordering half a dozen box lots of this monster...
Is this a Zorn box set? Is it the one that has been being dicussed on the
list over the last 6 months or so?
Thanks,
Matt
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:13:56 -0700
From: stickman <stickman@warwick.net>
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
By the way,
what is the exact chronology of the Naked City releases (by year)?
is it:
Naked City
Grand Guignol
Torture Garden
Heretic
Leng T'che
Radio
Absinthe
Also i applaud the listener that can listen to Absinthe. I think the
crackly thing at the end really pushed me over the edge. By the way, i
recall a joey baron interview somewhere on the web in which he spoke a
little about the Absinthe recording and he said something like that Zorn
didn't want any identifiable sounds for that recording. I think he
succeeded.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:44:28 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Absinthe/SPK
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, stickman wrote:
>
> Also i applaud the listener that can listen to Absinthe. I think the
> crackly thing at the end really pushed me over the edge. By the way, i
> recall a joey baron interview somewhere on the web in which he spoke a
> little about the Absinthe recording and he said something like that Zorn
> didn't want any identifiable sounds for that recording. I think he
> succeeded.
>
Unnh; I think I could maybe hazard reasonable guesses at a few of the
sounds on this disc. There's one track on Absinthe (dunno - offhand -
exactly which) built around samples off of SPK's excellent and *rocking*
first album, Information Overload Unit. Same record gets plundered by Zorn
and Eye on their Nanni Nanni collab - for the track Propollution, from
memory. And just this weekend I think I recognised a fragment of this same
record in Ground Zero's swansong, Consume Red.
Cheers,
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:55:05 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: The Grand Guignol
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, louie wrote:
> >Can anyone tell me something about Naked City's Grand Guigore (sp?)? I
> >just saw it in a used shop and am curious, tho' I have to admit that >some of the hairy NC doesn't do it for me that much. Thanks.
>
> as most zorn fans know, it's "grand guignol" (pronounced geen-yol) it's
> what was known as the theatre of horror back at the turn of the century
> in france where they actually operated on (disected?) people in front of
> an audience. (can anyone back me up on this?)
No actual operations, but a lot of psychodramas enhanced with animal offal
and pig's blood. A bit like the late-nineteenth century equivalent of a
Gwar concert, maybe.
There's a book came out a few years back about the whole thing, but I
can't recall any other details off-hand. But I think the ideas of the
Grand Guignol were in some part inspiration for the early gore films of HG
Lewis. There was also a Chicago rep theatre company operating along
similar lines late 70s/early 80s; Stuart Gordon and Jeffrey Coombs
(Reanimator) were ex-alumni.
Cheers,
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:38:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jack D Blanton <jblanton@kent.edu>
Subject: masada: general question
Hi,
I was hoping someone could answer a question about the Masada discs.
I have 1 and 6 as well as Bar Khoda (sp?). I really like 1 and Bar
Khoda but am not as fond of 6. Can anyone tell me what the other
discs are like? Do they tend to run toward a the "Jewish" sound (for
lack of a better term) of 1 and Bar Khoda or toward the
"Ornetteishness" of 6?
Also can anyone suggest other discs that might appeal to me based on
the above (ex. how is the New Klezmer Trio, etc.).
Finally, what does the parachutte years stuff sound like?
Thanks in advance for any help you all might give.
JACK
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:34:02 +1100
From: cmmildren@rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au
Subject: Re: grand guignol and carny
In regards to the nature of the grand guignol theatre tradition, I'm sure
it has more to do wiith just grotesque transgressive subject matter that
gave a low-art thrill to the masses of 19th century Paris, and definitely
not actual dissections! The term now refers to high melodrama, anything
with extreme and passionate violence and taboo sexuality.
I have both a tape and a score of Zorn's Carny. It is a mgnificent
virtuoso piece in the almost archetypal Zorn manner, a cut and paste of
every possible style all interpreted frenetically into pianistic idioms.
Direct qoutes from major piano composers appear, often backward or upside
down. Stephen Drury sent me a tape and a score here to australia after I
found his article on the piece in Perspectives On New Music, an academic
journal, Summer 1995 or 1994 i think. His performance is exemplary as you
would expect from the dedicatee. He mentioned that he would be recording
this piece for Tzadik in 1997 to be released with a cut of Zorn's piano
concerto! A Zorn orchestral piece! The mouth waters. I don't remeber the
address of stephen but it can be found in the journal I mentioned above.
Probably available at a university library or the like.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:08:41 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Bible Launcher
I recently bought the Bible-Launcher Tzadik-CD.
There are some very funny 'songs' on it,
although it becomes a bit boring after half an hour of listening.
I was wondering what happened to this record,
since it is no the Tzadik-website.
Why was it removed from the catalog?
Yves
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