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To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #98
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zorn-list Digest Saturday, August 16 1997 Volume 02 : Number 098
In this issue:
Re: Christian Marclay CD
Re: Burt Bacharach (Zorn Executive Producer)
Re: masada 4 & 1
Masada 7
Nicole Blackman
Re: Masada 7
Knit Update (Masada, Derek Bailey)
Re: Nicole Blackman
Re: Masada 7
Re: Masada 7
a few short Zorn samples
Bacharach and stuff
Re: Masada 7
Re: Masada 7
Re: Grand Guinore
Re: Nicole Blackman
Re: Masada 7
Re: Nicole Blackman
Re: Nicole Blackman
Blackman/Carson
Re: Grand Guinore
Re: Nicole Blackman
Re: Grand Guinore
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #97
Lori Carson (was:Re: Nicole Blackman)
Parachute Box CHEAP! well, relatively...
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:17:40 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Christian Marclay CD
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:46:16 +0800 Jan-Wen Lu wrote:
>
> I've heard there's a CD of Christian Marclay's early works relesed by
> Atavistic Records this month. Is it available now? Hope someone can inform
> me. Thanks.
Many people got promo but I have not seen it yet. One that I am really looking
forward to get!!!
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:22:04 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach (Zorn Executive Producer)
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:37:15 -0400 "Andy Marks" wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if Zorn was the executive producer for the new 2cd Burt
> > Bacharach tribute? Any thoughs on this disc?
>
> I think he might be executive producer for most, if
> not all, Tzadik releases. I know I have seen this on several of my
> Tzadik discs (I haven't actually checked them all to be sure). Anyway,
> I have wondered what exactly an "executive producer" does. Is Zorn
> actually involved with the recording of the material in some way, or
> is this just sort of his stamp of approval? I have always assumed
> it was the latter. Could someone set me straight here?
Executive producer means, in most of the case, that you are the one who
has the money :-). The realm of executive producer of more with logistic.
When you are involved with the product from an artistic point of view,
you become a producer (or associated producer).
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:31:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: SlightAche@aol.com
Subject: Re: masada 4 & 1
> Ack! Don't do it. Instead, spend only $15.00 american plus postage
> etc... and buy it from the Downtown Music Gallery. They have e-mail, so
> you can send them orders, i'm almost kind of sure. I don't know what
> thier address is, but someone here would (hint).
Easy --
dmg@panix.com
Your Friend,
PWKing
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Knutboy@aol.com
Subject: Masada 7
It's out and it's WONDERFUL. Tracks: "Schechem", "Elilah", "Kodashim",
"Halom", "Ne'eman", "Abed-nego", "Tohorot", "Mochin", "Amarim", "Khebar".
New York folks, pick it up at Downtown Music Gallery, only $16!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Nicole Blackman
The latest Golden Palominos cd called "Dead Inside" features the usual
suspects, including Knox Chandler, Anton Fier, Bill Laswell, and Nicky
Skopelitis; but is centered around the spoken word work of Nicole Blackman.
I have noted Blackman's work on another cd I have, KMFDM's latest release
"Xtort". Does anyone know of other releases she's featured on?
Todd Bramy
tbramy@oz.net
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Broken <hmshih@vger.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada 7
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 Knutboy@aol.com wrote:
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Knutboy@aol.com
> To: zorn-list@xmission.com
> Subject: Masada 7
>
> It's out and it's WONDERFUL. Tracks: "Schechem", "Elilah", "Kodashim",
> "Halom", "Ne'eman", "Abed-nego", "Tohorot", "Mochin", "Amarim", "Khebar".
> New York folks, pick it up at Downtown Music Gallery, only $16!
Don't you mean Masada 8?
I'm 99% sure Masada 7 (Zayin?) has a track called Bacharach on there.
Howard
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:21:51 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Knit Update (Masada, Derek Bailey)
Just checked the Knit's website for verification of the information I
posted yesterday, and founf a few changes:
- Masada, in addition to its run the following week, will be playing on
a bill with Philip Glass and others on Friday, September 19 as part of a
benefit concert for the Living Theater. It costs $20 and I don't
imagine they'll have a very long set.
- - Masada's run the next week will include sets at 8 and 10 on Thursday
the 25th , 9 and 11 on Friday the 26th and Saturday the 27th. Tickets
are $12 in advance and $14 day of show, and as always you can try to
check it out live broadcast over the Knit's website. And yes, Joey
Baron (actually the site says "Joey Barn") will be on drums.
- - Derek Bailey's October run seems to have been moved to Monday the 27th
through Wednesday the 29th, and will converge with a previously
unscheduled Zorn Improv night on the 28th and at least the first night
of a two-night Japanese fest on the 29th, where Bailey is listed
alongside Akaten and Zubizuva-x. The next night, the 30th, features
Tsuyama Atsushi and the Ruins, but Bailey is not listed. Stay tuned, as
I suppose this stuff is still getting tweaked into shape...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:33:29 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <ihvh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nicole Blackman
>The latest Golden Palominos cd called "Dead Inside" features the usual
>suspects, including Knox Chandler, Anton Fier, Bill Laswell, and Nicky
>Skopelitis; but is centered around the spoken word work of Nicole
Blackman.
>
>I have noted Blackman's work on another cd I have, KMFDM's latest
release
>"Xtort". Does anyone know of other releases she's featured on?
>
She's featured on one track of "Myths:Dreams of the World" that Laswell
put together. It was my understanding that this was the track that Anton
Fier first heard her on, before she joined the Palominos.
Dave Brunelle
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------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Knutboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Masada 7
OOps, yes, I meant EIGHT. So many, many Masada's!!!!!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:50:36 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Masada 7
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Broken wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 Knutboy@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Knutboy@aol.com
> > To: zorn-list@xmission.com
> > Subject: Masada 7
> >
> > It's out and it's WONDERFUL. Tracks: "Schechem", "Elilah", "Kodashim",
> > "Halom", "Ne'eman", "Abed-nego", "Tohorot", "Mochin", "Amarim", "Khebar".
> > New York folks, pick it up at Downtown Music Gallery, only $16!
>
> Don't you mean Masada 8?
> I'm 99% sure Masada 7 (Zayin?) has a track called Bacharach on there.
BTW, what is the title of Masada 8?
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:42:07 -0700
From: "pjm" <pjm@memes.com>
Subject: a few short Zorn samples
i put a few Zorn samples on my web page a few months back.... if you're
interested:
http://www.memes.com/~pjm/zorn.html
i'll probably add samples from Spillane and Leng Tch'e this weekend..
been slackin on the web biz...
cheers
pjm
p.s. anyone been checking out
the Zony Mash shows @ the
O.K. Hotel in Seattle?
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:35:00 -0500
From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Bacharach and stuff
Pardon my ingnorance, but who is Burt Bacharach?
Also, I have seen a whole slew of new Avant releases at
The local record stores. Where can I get information on these?
*****************************************
"Next stop...cool."
- -"Melville".
*****************************************
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Masada 7
> It's out and it's WONDERFUL. Tracks: "Schechem", "Elilah", "Kodashim",
> "Halom", "Ne'eman", "Abed-nego", "Tohorot", "Mochin", "Amarim", "Khebar".
> New York folks, pick it up at Downtown Music Gallery, only $16!
are you sure you don't mean number eight?
- -jascha
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:23:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Masada 7
> > It's out and it's WONDERFUL. Tracks: "Schechem", "Elilah", "Kodashim",
> > "Halom", "Ne'eman", "Abed-nego", "Tohorot", "Mochin", "Amarim", "Khebar".
> > New York folks, pick it up at Downtown Music Gallery, only $16!
>
> Don't you mean Masada 8?
> I'm 99% sure Masada 7 (Zayin?) has a track called Bacharach on there.
True. I guess this post really means Masada 8, which is super cool...i
can bid adieu to another thirty bucks.
- -jascha
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:41:24 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
> It's called "Grand Guignol" and it's a schizophrenic album. The first
> piece is a 17 minute spooky, lurking bit of ambience with bursts of
> noise. Very rumbly, sub-woofers recomended.
>
> The next few pieces are by composers such as Debussy, Scribin, Orlando de
> Lassus, and others. Very pretty.
>
> The next thirty-nine or so pieces are the rest of "torture garden" (the
> other few bits are on the guy-with-a-gun Naked City album on Elektra
> Nonesuch) - speed-jazz-core-pop-culture-vomit miniatures guaranteed to
> make you smile, if not howl with laughter (listen to "Speedfreaks"!)
I've been wondering...if I already own "Naked City" and "Torture Garden" is
it worth it to buy "Grand Guignol" for the few extra songs? Also, can
someone describe "Heretic" and "Absinthe"?
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:30:35 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Nicole Blackman
She is on _Myths_ (a spoken word CD produced by Bill Laswell) and on the
unreleased _Assassins_ recording, also spoken word produced by Bill Laswell.
At 10:10 AM 8/15/97 -0700, Todd Bramy wrote:
>The latest Golden Palominos cd called "Dead Inside" features the usual
>suspects, including Knox Chandler, Anton Fier, Bill Laswell, and Nicky
>Skopelitis; but is centered around the spoken word work of Nicole Blackman.
>
>I have noted Blackman's work on another cd I have, KMFDM's latest release
>"Xtort". Does anyone know of other releases she's featured on?
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:33:23 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Masada 7
By the way, I saw that Masada 8 was in at Downtown Music Gallery
(dmg@panix.com) as I was running (no time to shop) through the store
yesterday.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:32:10 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Nicole Blackman
At 11:33 AM 8/15/97 PDT, David Brunelle wrote:
>She's featured on one track of "Myths:Dreams of the World" that Laswell
>put together. It was my understanding that this was the track that Anton
>Fier first heard her on, before she joined the Palominos.
She appeared on the last (and it is permanently the last) Golden Palominos
release. The Palominos are no more.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:09:54 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Nicole Blackman
I believe she is also on the new Laswell release "City of Light"...
glenn
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:14:09 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Blackman/Carson
My post about Blackman is incorrect.......Lori Carson does the spoken word
on Laswell's "City of Light" cd....sorry...
glenn
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:17:56 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
Julian wrote:
> > It's called "Grand Guignol" and it's a schizophrenic album. The
> first
> > piece is a 17 minute spooky, lurking bit of ambience with bursts of
> > noise. Very rumbly, sub-woofers recomended.
> >
> > The next few pieces are by composers such as Debussy, Scribin,
> Orlando de
> > Lassus, and others. Very pretty.
>
> I've been wondering...if I already own "Naked City" and "Torture
> Garden" is
> it worth it to buy "Grand Guignol" for the few extra songs? Also, can
> someone describe "Heretic" and "Absinthe"?
The above does a very fine job of describing the extra material on
"Grand Guignol," so judge by how appealing that sounds. Personally once
I bought "Guignol" (which I would NOT be without if only for the
opportunity to hear Bob Dorough (that marvellous quirky jazz singer most
people in the Zorn generation -- I include myself in that description --
know from "Schoolhouse Rock") singing an art song by Charles Ives), I
got rid of "Torture Garden." Put it this way... if you REALLY want to
know Naked City's complete range you really ought to have the classical
interpretations on "Guignol" in your collection.
"Heretic" is nice but very episodic... and none of the tracks features
the complete band, if that makes a difference. And "Absinthe" is
probably the most difficult of the Naked City releases... it has a lot
more to do with Morton Feldman, Giacinto Scelsi and the other abstract
minimalist 20th century composers by whom Zorn was influenced... and
perhaps Mick Harris's Lull figures into it somewhere as well since he's
thanked in the liners. Don't come to this one looking for speed freak
drums solos or wailing guitar noise, but if any of the names mentioned
above (or perhaps the name John Cage) appeals, then go for it.
Steve
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:33:09 -0400
From: max <max@newmassmedia.com>
Subject: Re: Nicole Blackman
I work occasionally at a used cd store and I think I saw a solo cd by
Nicole Blackman (maybe I'm remembering incorrectly). Does this exist?
Also, we have a bunch of Subharmonic/Laswell/Celluloid/Material cutouts
and used cds, generally around $8 a disc - if anyone is looking for
something specific, e-mail me privately.
Max
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 06:40:57 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Grand Guinore
At 01:17 AM 8/16/97 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>The above does a very fine job of describing the extra material on
>"Grand Guignol," so judge by how appealing that sounds. Personally once
>I bought "Guignol" (which I would NOT be without if only for the
>opportunity to hear Bob Dorough (that marvellous quirky jazz singer most
>people in the Zorn generation -- I include myself in that description --
>know from "Schoolhouse Rock") singing an art song by Charles Ives), I
>got rid of "Torture Garden."
I could never do this myself. _Torture Garden_ is worth having for the art
alone. And for straight-through listening, I find that _TG_ works better.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:11:47 -0600
From: louie <louie@sioux.sodak.net>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #97
>Can anyone tell me something about Naked City's Grand Guigore (sp?)? I
>just saw it in a used shop and am curious, tho' I have to admit that >some of the hairy NC doesn't do it for me that much. Thanks.
as most zorn fans know, it's "grand guignol" (pronounced geen-yol) it's
what was known as the theatre of horror back at the turn of the century
in france where they actually operated on (disected?) people in front of
an audience. (can anyone back me up on this?)
the title track is 18 minutes of pure zorn, very heavy and somewhat
disturbing (but isn't that why we like zorn?)
the next three to four songs are very straight forward covers of
jazz/orchestra compositions.
the last 32 songs are the hardcore snippets that were later found on
torture garden. it's worth buying for these if you don't have torture
garden.
like most zorn produced stuff, initially you will wonder why you bought
it, but it grows on you, and you'll add to your collection whenever you
can... aren't we a strange bunch...
ps anyone who has or knows where i can get some new or used painkiller
please respond-that stuff is impossible to find! isn't tzadik supposed
to re-release some? i've got execution ground...good stuff...
- -louie
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:05:05 -0700
From: stickman <stickman@warwick.net>
Subject: Lori Carson (was:Re: Nicole Blackman)
Jeff Spirer wrote:
>>
> She appeared on the last (and it is permanently the last) Golden Palominos
> release. The Palominos are no more.
Jeff & all,
What is the status of Lori Carson? I must say that one of my
favorite CDs this year is her recent, "everything I touch runs wild", do
you know if she's touring or will be touring? Any good web links for info
on her?
I read a couple really positive reviews of her CD. Also Laswell
and Fier do appear on at least one track. For those of you that enjoyed,
"PURE", i think you'll like this one also.
Regards. Stickman
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:59:01 -0700
From: dayna <tricky88@earthlink.net>
Subject: Parachute Box CHEAP! well, relatively...
I am definitely going to buy this from where I work. (Abbey Road
Distribution.) I checked and my cost will be $81. The list price is
$100. $81 is what a small independent store would have to pay to get it
from us. So my question is, would anyone else want me to get them a
copy of this at that price? It would be $84 total; $3 for the Priority
Mail stamp. I would order the pieces on the street date (but reserve as
many copies as I need ahead of time) Sept 9, pick them up on the 10th;
and mail them on the morning of the 11th.
A couple advantages to this; 1. I can let you know well ahead of time if
we are going to get these; because despite Patrice saying 1000 is enough
for the world, I have my doubts and don't want to spend the next 6 years
scouring stores and flea markets for it the way I did with the Having
Fun on Stage With Elvis LP. Second; $19 bucks off list is pretty
substantial; I doubt if it will be "on sale" in many places. Third, I
don't get charged sales tax for my purchases; so that's an extra $6 - $9
off, depending on where you live.
Anyone interested in this? The sooner I know; the sooner I can let the
buyer know how many of these to bring in. Even Abbey Road won't be
ordering half a dozen box lots of this monster...
Mark M.
------------------------------
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