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Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #94
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zorn-list Digest Wednesday, August 13 1997 Volume 02 : Number 094
In this issue:
Re: Masahiko Togashi
haydn->mozart->haydn
Carl Stalling & a Filmworks 3 question
Frisell on TV tonight (Saturday 8/9)
Re: I Dream of Kagel
Re: melvins
Tzadik site
songs
Papa Zorn
RE: Krzysztof Komeda
Re: songs
Zorn in Southern California?
[none]
Laswell
Re: Laswell
Re: Laswell
Re: Laswell
EgyptoFreeJazzBooglarization
Re: Papa Zorn
re: Masahiko Togashi
re: Masahiko Togashi
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:35:58 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Masahiko Togashi
On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 18:01:06 -0400 (EDT) "k. drudge" wrote:
>
> > can anyone help me out with a brief description of the artist and his work
> > Moon Dog.
> >
> I too would be interested in some information about Togashi; I can supply
> the following: I have a CD recorded sometime in the late seventies called
> `Song of soil: The paris session volume 1' or something like that, on take
> one records. (a japanese import).
> it features don cherry on bamboo flute and pocket trumpet
> and charlie haden on bass as well as togashi on percussion.
> it's great; very loose and free sounding, but at the same time with a lot
> of `progression'. togashi seems to be a very creative percussionist.
Togashi is a great drummer/percussionist. I know him specially because of
Steve Lacy with whom he has played a lot. Following are all the records
with him and Lacy that I am aware of:
054 - STALKS: Steve Lacy
1975 - Columbia (Japan), YQ-7507-N (LP)
068 - THE WIRE: Steve Lacy Sextet
1977 - Denon Jazz (Japan), YX 7553 (LP)
118 - SPIRITUAL MOMENTS: Masahiko Togashi
1982 - Paddle Wheel (Japan), K28P-6138 (LP)
121 - ETERNAL DUO: Masahiko Togashi, Steve Lacy
1983 - Paddle Wheel/King (Japan), K28P 6219 (LP)
137 - BURA-BURA: Masahiko Togashi
1986 - Presence/Pan Music (Japan), ALZ-28006 (LP)
*** - BURA-BURA: Masahiko Togashi
1986 - Pan Music (Japan), 50XB-107~8 (2xCD)
170 - VOICES: Togashi, Lacy, Avenel
1989 - NEC AVENUE/Pan Music (Japan), A29C-1018 (CD)
191 - TWILIGHT: Masahiko Togashi, Steve Lacy
1992 - Nippon Crown (Japan), CRCJ-9104 (CD)
227 - ASSOCIATES: Steve Lacy
1996 - Musica Jazz (Italy), Femay FF 1001 (CD)
229 - ETERNAL DUO 95: Steve Lacy, Masahiko Togashi
1996 - Take One (Japan), TKOJ-1 (CD)
Patrice.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:00:30 -0400
From: "mcbride/turner" <Heidi.Mcbride@EMBL-Heidelberg.de>
Subject: haydn->mozart->haydn
i have no real point in all this, but information is fun to throw about...
> > That they are contemporaries? I was using the word in a broad
> > sense, I guess. The age difference between Zorn and Kagel is
> > almost the same as that between Mozart and Haydn (22 vs. 24 years),
> > and Mozart and Haydn are often spoken of together as composers of
> > the Classical era. I suppose there are people would would put
> > Haydn into a slightly older school, and I of course can't say that
> > in 200 years people will see Zorn and Kagel as being of the same
> > era.
[edited for brevity]
> Your analogy of Mozart and Haydn is ill-conceived, due not only to the
> extreme compression of musical developments of the 20th century, but
> also because there's no antecedent relationship between the two-- as you
> say, they were essentially creating the same kind of music.
funny this choice of mozart and haydn as an example because (and i
quote the oxford companion to music, tenth ed.)....
'in the history of music the mutual relation of mozart and haydn is
probably unique. mozart's art was founded on that of haydn, as that of
haydn had been on that of emmanuel bach. then, as mozart came to
maturity,
applying his gifts ever more and more triumphantly to the forms and style
for which haydn was so largely responsible, in some refinements he
surpassed his master, who in turn learnt from him and again strode
forward.'
so i guess to be picky there is an antecedent relationship between them,
although you'd have to focus on some small periods of time to nail down
precisely who was influencing who. interesting, no?
cheers,
robert turner
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:29:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Caleb Deupree <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Carl Stalling & a Filmworks 3 question
I've heard a couple of cartoon-related items lately, and (perhaps because
I've been prepped by commentary) I hear a forerunner/influence which I've
never noticed before. The main work in question is the Carl Stalling
Project, produced by Hal Willner, which I picked up today in the local used
CD store, thinking that it would have the cast of thousands typical to
Willner releases like Weird Nightmare, Stay Awake, etc. But no, these were
archival recordings of the original scores played by the original players,
including some excerpts of Stalling's working sessions, but skillfully mixed
together. Zorn is one of the producers.
It's a long CD, over 77 minutes, and listening to the whole thing was as
exhausting as listening to the more contemporary quick-jump CDs (Zorn,
Shea...). I played it at the office, where it got very strange looks from
the marketing/manager types ("is this all just cartoon music?!"). But it
got more favorable reviews from the engineers; most of us recognized a fair
amount of it (to be fair, I answered the marketer, "Which cartoons?" and he
correctly responded "Warner Bros.", but the Looney Tunes soundtrack was kind
of a giveaway). Fascinating and unique.
Which brings me to a question. I passed by Filmworks 3, which included some
cartoon related pieces and other very short pieces (new, not used). I have
the first (unnumbered) and second (the untitled movie by Walter Hill), and
the description makes this look like a very heterogenous collection of
outtakes and miscellaneous unrelated pieces, perhaps less interesting.
(Henry Silva: Truth? or Bullshit?) I'd be interested in opinions.
- --
Caleb T. Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
;; For every complex question there is a simple answer.
;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken)
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 01:04:34 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Frisell on TV tonight (Saturday 8/9)
Hi everyone -
Sorry to be posting this at the last minute (and perhaps it was posted
to the Zornlist while I was away) but Bill Frisell will be on the new
PBS live music show Sessions on West 54th tonight (Saturday, August 9)
at 11 pm Eastern time. That's when the show is broadcast on channel 13
here in Manhattan. But channel 21 broadcasts the same episode on
Tuesday night at 11 pm Eastern. So, as the saying goes, check your
local listings.
Bill performs with his Quartet (Kang, Miles, Fowlkes), the Nashville
band with which he recorded his latest (including Jerry Douglas and
Victor Krauss), Jimmy Dale Gilmore and Robin Holcomb. The show lasts an
hour; the other half of the show is given over to Sonic Youth.
For more information and interview transcripts visit their website at
http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com
And again, sorry I'm getting this to you so damn late.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:20:05 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: I Dream of Kagel
On Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:44:31 -0700, john shiurba wrote:
> (my guess)--Kagel would undoubtedly squirm at being grouped (as a
> contemporary) with Zorn.
Probably. What a mental picture. My original comment was
totally offhand, and I didn't expect to have to defend my
"position." I absolutely agree that Kagel is part of a different,
earlier crowd than Zorn, and Kagel's influence on Zorn is such that
they couldn't really be considered contemporaries in any useful
sense. However, in a more ahistorical sense, they are both composing
at this moment, and as such are "contemporaries." I shall pre-
emptively agree that this is a pretty useless definition when applied
to composers.
> Your analogy of Mozart and Haydn is ill-conceived,
A remarkable observation, as I was indeed suffering from a nasty
cold at the time I conceived the analogy. I'm feeling better now, so
no more get-well cards!
- -- Charles
gill0042@tc.umn.edu
http://umn.edu/~gill0042/
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:17:40 +0200
From: cedric perrier <perrier@imaginet.fr>
Subject: Re: melvins
one for all,
I know Melvins since their first extended single on c/z which I own
I'd say their best recordings are definitely their most basic and
abrupt heavy metal stuff
so you must buy:
first extended single on c/z which have been reissued whith more tracks,
first album Gluey Porch Treatment which is totally great,
Stoner Witch which is a great corporate come back to their debut,
Goin' Blind cover on Lysol which is amazing,
Rocket Reducer cover on Houdini which is cool,
and especially catch em LIVE
very cool also are 2 tracks on the early Seattle bands compilation
called Deep Six on C/Z from 1986/87; Melvins play 2 tracks of very
fierce speed metal punk and are the very best band on that record from
very far (maybe the first recording ever from the Melvins);
I 've got other records as well but I think it's good package for a
start;
Joe Preston is not their former bassplayer, former bassplayer is Matt
Lukin, later
in Mudhoney, and you can enjoy his subtle slo-mo motorhead style on both
first
single and first album;
Otherwise, right, that's nice to hear Bill Frisell playing one single
Melvins riff for over 40minutes on Leng'tchΘ but it could have been
early Swans as well (Melvins fans might appreciate early Swans
records); I saw that piece in Paris with Eye and Mike Patton and it was
great; by the way it's one of my favourite Naked City records.
cheers
cedric perrier
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:09:07 -0700
From: SiameseZero <gking@win.bright.net>
Subject: Tzadik site
Has anyone ordered from the new Tzadik site?...How long does it take for
your orders to arrive and you can obviously order more than the three item
blanks on their order form, right?
just wodering as i need to order a bunch of cds that need to arrive fairly
shortly.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:51:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: songs
Has Zorn ever worked with an American singer? Has he ever written a
'traditional' song? I'm interested in recorded examples of Zorn songs.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 02:28:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: QUESOMALO@aol.com
Subject: Papa Zorn
Does anyone happen to know the name of Zorn's father?
- -nick
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:53:31 +0200
From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl
Subject: RE: Krzysztof Komeda
> I live in Warsaw (Poland).
> There is a full dicography of Komeda available here.
> I can trade with anybody interested in.
>
> Bye
> Marcin
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:46:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Subject: Re: songs
> Has Zorn ever worked with an American singer? Has he ever written a
> 'traditional' song? I'm interested in recorded examples of Zorn songs.
I don't know that he has, though several of his larger works (like
FilmWorks music) contain folks who sound like they have trained voices.
Now if you mean 'traditional' song in the Ned Rorem sense of an Art Song,
then I'm fairly sure he has not, though I don't know why he wouldn't be
open to the option. But I imagine his vocal works might be somewhat simiar
to those of John Cage, where the vocalist would be called upon to use a
variety of vocal styles. I've considered contacting Zorn about this issue
in interest of a recital (myself being a trained singer), but just have
never gotten around to it.
MRD
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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland
http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:02:28 -0700
From: "mcmullenm" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Zorn in Southern California?
Does anyone know if Zorn is playing So. California while on the west coast
this month?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rakete,
Sz
Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr muu?
-- Kurt Schwitters
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:49:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jbivins@indiana.edu>
Subject: [none]
Hello List Friends,
A small request. I'm going to be in NYC for the last week or 10 days of
August, and I would relish any live music recommendations you could
provide. I've checked the KFW pages, so I guess I'm asking about stuff I
might be otherwise unaware of. Thanks a bunch.
Jason Bivins
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:30:33 +0000
From: Phil <phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Laswell
I'm fairly new to the list, so apologies if these questions have already
come up.
About 18 months ago there was an advert in UK magazine Straight No Chaser
for a CD by The Menxperience called La Mancha Negra (The Black Stain). This
was to have featured Menace, Bill Laswell, Keziah Jones, Donald Blackman,
Bootsy, Bernie W & JC 001. The CD never seemed to appear. I called the
record company 2 Kool several times, and all they seemed to know was that
it was delayed. Since then, no news. Anyone know what happened to this?
Also, does Laswell play any role in the running of the Interra or Wordsound
labels?
Any takers?
Phil Clarkson
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:11:21 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Laswell
At 09:30 AM 8/12/97 +0000, Phil wrote:
>Also, does Laswell play any role in the running of the Interra or Wordsound
>labels?
No.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date:
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Laswell
Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 09:30 AM 8/12/97 +0000, Phil wrote:
>
> >Also, does Laswell play any role in the running of the Interra or Wordsound
> >labels?
>
> No.
>
> Jeff Spirer
> Axiom/Material
> http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
What is the Interra label? What's on it?
- -Sean
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:45:18 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Laswell
At 10:25 AM 8/12/97 -0400, Sean Terwilliger wrote:
>What is the Interra label? What's on it?
It's "world" music, with an ambient bent. Some real interesting things on
it, including a bizarre recording of Chinese nuns and some bells stuff that
sounds like it might really be a synthesizer. The packages are really
cheesy, the inserts are single page (not booklets) and look like they were
xeroxed.
I'm not sure that they are still releasing. It is owned by the guy that
owns the rights to Subharmonic, Celluloid, and a few other labels.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:04:27 -0700
From: "mcmullenm" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: EgyptoFreeJazzBooglarization
Recently, in response to someone's query about the splatter trio, i
recommended the work of the swiss trio koch/schutz/studer...yesterday i
came upon a midnight clear...er...rather i came upon a new release by this
trio in collaboration with the EL NIL TROUP from egypt--called HEAVY CAIRO
TRAFFIC [Intakt 3175 2]...i cannot recommend this highly enough...a very
unique "fusion" of traditional egyptian music and free jazz/creative
improvised music...absolutely stunning...quite different than the sound i
think of when confronted with the image of fusing jazz and "world music" a
la Laswell and others...i would love to hear other reactions if anyone else
gives it a listen...
Rakete,
Sz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr muu?
-- Kurt Schwitters
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:25:30 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Papa Zorn
Unnh; think its Henry...
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 QUESOMALO@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone happen to know the name of Zorn's father?
>
> -nick
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: re: Masahiko Togashi
>I too would be interested in some information about Togashi; I can
>supplythe following: I have a CD recor ded sometime in the late
>seventies called `Song of soil: The paris session volume 1' or something
>like that, on take one records. (a japanese import). it features don
>cherry on bamboo flute and pocket trumpet and charlie haden on bass as
>well as togashi on percussion. it's great; very loose and free sounding,
>but at the same time with a lot of `progression'. togashi seems to be a
>very creative percussionist.
keldon
Togashi is on an early 80s Steve Lacy duets album, a couple of early 70s
Gil Evans (japan-only) releases, and I believe is still active. I have
just one record of his:
Masahiko Togashi Quartet
"We Now Create" - Music for Strings, Winds and Percussions
JVC 1972 release of 1969 recording
4 tracks-
Variations on a Theme of Feedback
Invitation To Corn Pipe Dance
Artistry in Percussion
Fantasy For Strings
- - the group includes the great guitarist Masayuki Takayanagi and Motaharu
"Papa" Yoshizawa on bass & cello. (also Mototeru Takagi on sax and
'cornpipe'). It's improvisation much more like Takayanagi and Yoshisawa's
PSF albums than jazz...
- - dn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Subject: re: Masahiko Togashi
>I too would be interested in some information about Togashi; I can
>supplythe following: I have a CD recor ded sometime in the late
>seventies called `Song of soil: The paris session volume 1' or something
>like that, on take one records. (a japanese import). it features don
>cherry on bamboo flute and pocket trumpet and charlie haden on bass as
>well as togashi on percussion. it's great; very loose and free sounding,
>but at the same time with a lot of `progression'. togashi seems to be a
>very creative percussionist.
keldon
Togashi is on an early 80s Steve Lacy duets album, a couple of early 70s
Gil Evans (japan-only) releases, and I believe is still active. I have
just one record of his:
Masahiko Togashi Quartet
"We Now Create" - Music for Strings, Winds and Percussions
JVC 1972 release of 1969 recording
4 tracks-
Variations on a Theme of Feedback
Invitation To Corn Pipe Dance
Artistry in Percussion
Fantasy For Strings
- - the group includes the great guitarist Masayuki Takayanagi and Motaharu
"Papa" Yoshizawa on bass & cello. (also Mototeru Takagi on sax and
'cornpipe'). It's improvisation much more like Takayanagi and Yoshisawa's
PSF albums than jazz...
- - dn
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