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zorn-list Digest      Wednesday, August 13 1997      Volume 02 : Number 095



In this issue:

    Album questions from newbie
    masada 4 & 1
    Praxis CD
    Re: Album questions from newbie
    Dave Douglas
    Re: Praxis CD
    clearing up the Melvins
    Re: clearing up the Melvins
    non-Knit NYC music venue
    Ronald Shannon Jackson Complete Discography
    Re: non-Knit NYC music venue
    Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
    Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
    Raymond Scott concert (fwd)
    Re: Laswell
    Re: Laswell

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:24:25 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Album questions from newbie

Ive just subscribed to this list so forgive these newbie questions.

Ive recently gotten into Zorn's music mainly by way of Mr. Bungle and
Mike Pattons solo albums. I got Naked City which I like, and I also just
got Elegy which I've not completly gotten into. Does anyone have any
recommendations about which other albums to check out? I think Elegy is
going to take some time for me to appreciate, but Naked City blew me
away at the first listen. ANyway I would appreciate it if you could give
me a breakdown of his other albums and what to expect. Thanks a lot.

Andy
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:51:46 PDT
From: "Jonas Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: masada 4 & 1

hello zorn fanatics!

hey, am i the only guy who sees masada 4 in stores on a regular basis?
and for $45 canadian and only three tunes, is it worth buying?
also, i see all filmworks all the time. any news as to whether or not he
will ever record more of the classic guide to strategy?



take care,

joe

woohoo!


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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:20:10 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Praxis CD

Praxis "Live in Poland" CD has been released in Poland.
This is limited edition official CD.

Anybody interested in trading please mail me personaly.

[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:25:39 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Album questions from newbie

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Ive recently gotten into Zorn's music mainly by way of Mr. Bungle and
> Mike Pattons solo albums. I got Naked City which I like, and I also just
> got Elegy which I've not completly gotten into. Does anyone have any
> recommendations about which other albums to check out? I think Elegy is
> going to take some time for me to appreciate, but Naked City blew me
> away at the first listen. ANyway I would appreciate it if you could give
> me a breakdown of his other albums and what to expect. Thanks a lot.

if you like naked city first offering (the one with the shot man on
cover), you propably like the rest too, with possibly the exception of
grand guidnor (sp?) what i haven't heard but should be a little
different.

one of my favourites is big gundown, zorns tribute to ennio morricone.
while a little 'artier' than naked city's pop-culture-influenced material
it's a very fine album has too many great players on it to list here...

spillane is another favourite of mine, has three longer pieces, all very
different. the title track is a 'soundtrack' in the classic
har-boiled-detective mood. other tracks are a blues-continuum featuring
albert collins put through some very bizarre bluescapes and a piece for
string quartet, turntables and voice. like i said, all very different,
but somehow reflect the composer perfectly. like big gundown, features
too many great musicians to mention here...

ok, time is running and i have to skip a number of great disks here but
somebody else can continue...


 teemu

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:24:42 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dave Douglas

Dave Douglas performed his work "Sanctuary" at the Knitting Factory last
night (Aug 12).  For those of us lucky enough to be there, we were
treated to a stunning work.  The band included Dave on trumpet and
sound, Anthony Coleman sampler, Yuka Honda sampler, Mark Dresser and
Hill Green bass, Chris Speed tenor and clarinet, Kenny Wollesen drums,
Cuong Vu on second trumpet.  The closest I can get to the sound is
perhaps a cross between Ornette's Free Jazz and maybe Miles' Live-Evil.
With some Coletrane thrown in for good measure.  Played non-stop.  Dave
also was kind enough to bring along a few copies of the 2CD set, which
he practically gave to those who bought it, including me.  Another treat
was that Dave played one song with the opening act - the first stage
appearance of Sean Lennon and his new band.  Yoko in da house.  If you
can find the Avant set, BUY IT!

Alan E Kayser
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:34:24 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Praxis CD

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:20:10 +0200  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Praxis "Live in Poland" CD has been released in Poland.
> This is limited edition official CD.

Any more info such as:

    - label
    - lineup
    - recording date/location?

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bramy <[e-mail]>
Subject: clearing up the Melvins

Just to clear up a couple of Melvins comments:

>very cool also are 2 tracks on the early Seattle bands compilation
>called Deep Six on C/Z from 1986/87; Melvins play 2 tracks of very
>fierce speed metal punk and are the very best band on that record from
>very far (maybe the first recording ever from the Melvins);

The tracks included on the Deep Six compilation are indeed the first
released Melvins recordings. Just so there's no confusion, there are a
total of 4 Melvins tracks included:
Scared 2.17
Blessing The Operation .41
Grinding Process 2.07 (different <faster> than the later "10 Songs" version)
She Waits .40

>Joe Preston is not their former bassplayer, former bassplayer is Matt
>Lukin, later
>in Mudhoney, and you can enjoy his subtle slo-mo motorhead style on both
>first single and first album;

Joe Preston was indeed a member of the Melvins, though admittedly for a
very short time, only appearing on a few singles and the "Solo EP's"
project. Joe went on to form the sludge/ambient band Earth. Another former
player in the Melvins list of soldiers was King Buzzo's then girlie-friend,
known as Lorax.



Todd Bramy
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:15:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Pleshar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: clearing up the Melvins

At 09:46 AM 8/13/97 -0700, Todd Bramy wrote:
>Just to clear up a couple of Melvins comments:

>Joe Preston was indeed a member of the Melvins, though admittedly for a
>very short time, only appearing on a few singles and the "Solo EP's"
>project. Joe went on to form the sludge/ambient band Earth. Another former
>player in the Melvins list of soldiers was King Buzzo's then girlie-friend,
>known as Lorax.


I may be misremembering, but I think I remember hearing that she was Shirley
Temple Black's daughter.

Ralph

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:04:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ted Reichman <[e-mail]>
Subject: non-Knit NYC music venue

I will break my prolonged lurk to answer the request for info about NYC
gigs beyond the Knitting Factory:

Here's one you may not know about:

alt.coffee
137 Avenue A (between St. Mark's & 9th)

music every Monday night from 9:00 pm
no cover

past performers (Zorn-list related):

Tim Berne, Eugene Chadbourne, Anthony Coleman, Eugene Chadbourne,
Gisburg, David Krakauer, Saft/Vu, and many many more

full disclosure:

I am curator of the series and a frequent performer there.

here's the schedule for August-October:

> 8/18 Theo Bleckmann & Ben Monder

> 8/25 Moran/Speed/Noriega

> 9/1   Cuong Vu
Jim Black, Curtis Hasselbring, Chris Speed, Stomu Takeishi, Cuong Vu

> 9/8   Claudia Quintet
Drew Gress, John Hollenbeck, Matt Moran, Ted Reichman, Chrie Speed

> 9/15  Jim Black, Matt Moran, Andrea Parkins, Cuong Vu

> 9/22  Peshko & friends
Adam Good, Matt Moran, plus Balkan musicians from Toronto

> 9/29  John Hollenbeck & Theo Bleckmann

> 10/6  Ted Reichman "Viva Neurotica"
Tom Chiu, Laura Cromwell, Ted Reichman

> 10/13 Tom Christensen Quartet
Tom Christensen, Charlie Pillow, Satoshi Takeishi, Doug Weiss

> 10/20 Judy Dunaway Balloon Ensemble

> 10/27 John Hollenbeck & Matt Moran

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:17:04 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ronald Shannon Jackson Complete Discography

Hi all -

Pleased as punch to be able to announce the completion of a pet project
I've been working on for the last couple of years.
As of today my complete discography of the drummer Ronald Shannon
Jackson is now posted on the WNUR Jazzweb, at
http://www.nwu.edu/WNUR/jazz/artists/jackson.ronald.shannon/discog.html

It includes Shannon's solo work as well as many items with Laswell, Last
Exit, Cecil Taylor, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, and even a Zorn
entry.

Please feel free to drop in and take a look if interested.  I had a lot
of fun putting this together.  There are still a few holes and some work
remaining to be done.  Thanks to Patrice Roussel, Marcin Gokieli (please
get in touch with me if you're still out there) and Jeff Spirer for
filling in some vital gaps.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:44:39 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: non-Knit NYC music venue

Ted Reichman wrote:

> alt.coffee
> 137 Avenue A (between St. Mark's & 9th)
>
> music every Monday night from 9:00 pm
> no cover

Thanks for posting this, Ted.  I've just caught on to the happenings at
alt.coffee myself.  There was a great article in last week's Village
Voice, so hopefully people will really start making this a happening
scene (New York NEEDS more than just the Knit).

> > 9/1   Cuong Vu
> Jim Black, Curtis Hasselbring, Chris Speed, Stomu Takeishi, Cuong Vu

Minus Haselbring, this band just released a nice disc on Songlines under
Chris Speed's name, "Yeah, No."

> > 10/27 John Hollenbeck & Matt Moran

Make every effort you can to see these two.  John has been a consummate
drummer's drummer on dates with (quoting from the alt.coffee website
(http://www.altdotcoffee.com) Muhal Richard Abrams, Randy Brecker, Bob
Brookmeyer, Greg Cohen, Anthony Coleman, Steve Coleman, Johnny Coles,
Mark Dresser, Billy Drewes, Ellery Eskelin, John Hart, Dave Holland,
Bill Holman, David Krakauer, Jimmy Knepper, Lee Konitz, David Liebman,
Joe Lovano, Branford Marsalis, Bill Mays, Ben Monder, Gerry Mulligan,
Hank Roberts, George Russell, Clark Terry, Kenny Werner, Kenny Wheeler,
the WDR Big Band, and John Zorn.  On his own he reminds me a lot of the
European free percussionists like Tony Oxley and Jamie Muir.

As for Matt, quoting here from Douglas Wolk in the Voice: "The
vibraphone isn't commonly associated with spasmodic free-improv
self-expression, either, but when Moran's short-fuse pauses ignite into
four-malleted pyrotechnics, it's like hearing an angel have a seizure."

I saw the two of them recently with Ellery Eskelin at the Internet Cafe
(http://www.bigmagic.com), another up-and-coming alternative music space
that has recently presented Tim Berne, Mark Helias, Barry Altschul, Mark
Dresser, Marty Ehrlich, and an entire month of Ellery Eskelin Thursday
night encounters with various improvisers.  I was so blown away by their
interplay ("play" being a key word, as Moran and Hollenbeck are both
extraordinarily fond of junk, plastic toys and cheap noisemakers) that I
sent a fax to Derek Bailey the next day, urging him to contact them for
his mini-festival at the Knit at the end of October.

And though HE'S not going to be the one to tell you this, our boy Ted's
no slouch either.  You may have heard him squeezing off sparks on
accordion alongside Anthony Braxton or David Krakauer by now.  He and
Hollenbeck used to have a way-swell trio called Refuseniks that fell by
the wayside when bassist Reuben Radding went back to school in the
midwest.  There's still a pretty nice Real Audio recording of the trio
on the alt.coffee site that I listened to last night.  The listings on
the site are somewhat out of date, so hang on to the schedule Ted
supplied.  See you there!

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:06:47 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown

At 12:10 PM 8/4/97 -0700, Jeff Spirer wrote:

>_Panthalassa_ will probably be out in October.  The cover art has not been
>done yet and there are a few other things that need to be in place for
>release.  There has also been a September date circulating that is incorrect.

Well for those of you with enough good taste to not read r.m.b.,
_Panthalassa_ has been delayed until January.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:09:36 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:06:47 -0700  Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 12:10 PM 8/4/97 -0700, Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> >_Panthalassa_ will probably be out in October.  The cover art has not been
> >done yet and there are a few other things that need to be in place for
> >release.  There has also been a September date circulating that is incorrect.
>
> Well for those of you with enough good taste to not read r.m.b.,
> _Panthalassa_ has been delayed until January.

Are you sure that this George Traynor is not an impersonator of Amos Omondi :-).

    Patrice.

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:22:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Raymond Scott concert (fwd)

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:17:05 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Raymond Scott concert

[please forward around the net]

From: The Raymond Scott Archives

* * * * * * * * * *

RECKLESS NIGHT ON BOARD THE BOTTOM LINE:
A Live Music Tribute to RAYMOND SCOTT

The spirit of Raymond Scott, the master of BUGS BUNNY-bent musical
mosaics, returns to haunt New York's Bottom Line (SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER
27). Irwin Chusid, Director of the Scott Archives, is producing the 2nd
annual live tribute featuring an eclectic group of musicians with a
penchant for Scott's looney tunes & merry melodies.

The RAYMOND SCOTT QUINTET's late '30s novelty jazz (especially
"Powerhouse") has been immortalized in the last 50 years, having been
adapted in 115 classic WARNER BROS. cartoons. It's also been featured in
REN & STIMPY, THE SIMPSONS, Duckman, and Animaniacs; sampled twice by
SOUL COUGHING, and recorded by DON BYRON and the KRONOS QUARTET. (The
original RSQ recordings can be heard on "The Music of Raymond Scott:
Reckless Nights and Turkish Twilights" - Columbia 53028.)

Last year's first-ever Scott trib was a rousing success, and this year's
show promises some rare treats. Players (below) will present slight or
radical departures from the original cartoon-jazz arrangements. Along
with RS Quintet favorites, the program will include rarely-heard Scott
compositions from the '40s and '50s.=20

ROBERT MOOG, inventor of the Moog Synthesizer and a colleague of the
late, great Scott, will be on hand to demonstrate the only existing
model of the CLAVIVOX, a keyboard theremin Raymond invented in the
1950s.

The KUSTARD KINGS (of Loser's Lounge fame)--who served as house band at
last year's show--will return, as will WNYC's DAVID GARLAND, who will
sing a medley of Scott songs.=20

Coffee, a band from Rochester, have arranged four little-known Scott
numbers, and jazz accordionist Will Holshouser is arranging three RS
Quintet titles.

=95 VENUE: THE BOTTOM LINE, 15 West 4th St., NYC - 212-228-6300

=95 DATE: Saturday, SEPTEMBER 27 - two shows (7:30 / 10:30 PM)

=95 TICKETS:=09$17.50 (at box office--advance sale or day of show)

Lineup:=20
DAVE AMELS - Clavivox
STEVEN BERNSTEIN - trumpet (Lounge Lizards, They Might Be Giants)=20
CHRIS BUTLER - guitar, bass (Waitresses)
BRIAN DEWAN - piano, accordion
DENNIS DIKEN - drums (Smithereens)
KELLY FLINT - vocals (Dave's True Story)
DAVID GARLAND - vocals (WNYC, Worlds of Love)
ENRICO GRANAFEI - harmonica
MIKE HASHIM - sax (Dizzy Gillespie, Cab Calloway)
WILL HOLSHOUSER - accordion
PHILLIP JOHNSTON - soprano sax (Microscopic Septet, Big Trouble)
BIANCA "BOB" MILLER - keyboards (ex-Flystrip, Pianosaurus)
R. STEVIE MOORE - guitar, bass
CHRIS NAPPI - tuned percussion (Steve Reich, S.E.M. Ensemble)
JANE SCARPANTONI - cello (Lounge Lizards, Indigo Girls)
ROB THOMAS - violin (Jazz Passengers, Eddie Harris)
The KUSTARD KINGS (David Terhune, Joe McGinty, George Rush, Clem
        Waldmann, Kris Woolsey)
COFFEE (Phil Marshall, guitar; Tim Poland, bass; Dave Cross, drums)
and others....

"Reckless Night" webpage link at:
http://users.aol.com/DevilDrums/RNBL.htm

Visit the Raymond Scott website at:
http://users.aol.com/DevilDrums

* * * * * * * * * *=20

Note: black & white photos are available for print and on-line media
For further information, contact=20
IRWIN CHUSID  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: Laswell

>I'm not sure that they are still releasing.  It is owned by the guy that
>owns the rights to Subharmonic, Celluloid, and a few other labels.

    Really? Ug. Celluloid was such a sleazy label.
    Cheap packaging with no information, and a
    reputation for never paying their artists, ever.

    Why do people keep working with him?

    mike

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:51:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Laswell

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, m. rizzi wrote:

> >I'm not sure that they are still releasing.  It is owned by the guy that
> >owns the rights to Subharmonic, Celluloid, and a few other labels.
>
>     Really? Ug. Celluloid was such a sleazy label.
>     Cheap packaging with no information, and a
>     reputation for never paying their artists, ever.
>
>     Why do people keep working with him?

Mr. Matarazzo seems to be in a re-packaging phase these days, so buyers
beware.  He is also releasing albums on the labels Terrascape (which
shares the same 26617 UPC prefix that Celluloid and Intera and Subharmonic
had) and M.I.L. Multimedia.  Some of his pillaging includes the 2CD Dark
Massive/Disengage Laswell set, a 2CD Last Poets anthology that fails to
mention Laswell's name anywhere (or that of Alan Douglas for that matter),
the plundering of Fela Kuti's back catalog, and several Nursat Fatheh Ali
Khan albums.  Beware especially of M.I.L.  I bought a Manu Dibango CD from
them called _Bao Bao_ but didn't open it right away because some of the
track titles seemed familiar.  When I got it home, half of them were from
Deadline's first album, but the others didn't match up with any tracks on
_Electric Africa_, the only other album by Manu that I have.  Fair enough,
I thought so I opened it.  Imagine my suprise to find out that the other
half of the tracks were from _Electric Africa_ only they have been
re-titled.  Nusrat fans be aware as well - I'm almost positive that his
three Intera discs have been repackaged under different names on M.I.L.

Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat,

Paul
[e-mail]

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