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zorn-list Digest       Thursday, August 7 1997       Volume 02 : Number 092



In this issue:

    I Dream of Zorno
    Re: Naked City Notation
    Re: I Dream of Kagel
    Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
    Re: Naked City Notation
    masada liner notes (reprise)
    Re: Krystof Komeda
    Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
    Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
    Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
    Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
    Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
    Re: Krystof Komeda
    Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
    masada liner notes (reprise)
    Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
    Re: I Dream of Zorno
    RE: Mick Harris

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:44:58 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: I Dream of Zorno

I've never actually seen Zorn in person, nor have I seen any
video or other motion footage of him.  I've seen a few pictures.
Nonetheless, a few days ago I had a dream which featured him
prominantly.

I was in a smallish rectangular club with the stage along one
of the long walls.  The band was Naked City.  They were tuning
up, preparing for the gig, and I was wandering around looking at
the small piles of CDs they had brought.  They all looked similar
and seemed to be benefit albums of some sort.  At some point Zorn
said that they were for "his kids," in such a way that it was
obvious that he didn't mean his biological children.

The band played one song.  I think it may have been the first track
from Radio, but I can't recall for sure.  After it was over, Zorn
announced the sponsors for the concert.  He had two bottles of what
appeared to be shampoo, and he described the effects of each product
in lewd, lecherous detail, as if they could boost a person's sexual
appeal and ability.

The crowd chuckled at this--"Oh, that Zorn, what a crazy guy"--but
then the scene changed movie-style and I was seeing Zorn from the
middle-chest up, lying in a large, round hot tub.  He was drinking
from the aforementioned bottles, making quite a mess, and babbling.
"Ahhhhrhghgsexhmmmmm" and suchlike.  Then I woke up.

Comments, Mr. Freud?

Back in the "real" world, can anyone point me toward a website or
book dealing with Mauricio Kagel?  I've heard "Der Schall" and
I have one CD, "zwei akte/rrrrrrr...: 5 jazzstucke/blue's blue,"
both of which have some biographical liner notes.  I'm not sure
what I'm looking for.  "More info."  I think it's interesting that
Kagel was an influence on Zorn as a youngster, and now they're
essentially contemporaries as composers.  I wonder if they're in
contact with each other.

While I'm at it, can anyone recommend any works by reed player
Michael Riessler?  I like his work on the Kagel CD and I see that
he has at least one CD out on Enja.

Thanks.


- -- Charles

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:05:23 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naked City Notation

The Naked City things are all pretty much notated, though some of the
stylistic shifts are just noted as such, without exact pitches.

So much of these pieces have to do with the sound and repertoire for the
instruments involved, playing them on piano might seem like watching a
colorized movie.  There IS a recent piece for solo piano, so far
unreleased, but perhaps already recorded, called Carny, written for Stephen
Drury, who has perfomed and recorded lots of John Cage's music, as well as
many pieces by Zorn.

& While I'm not sure what Teemu has seen, I'm willing to bet that what he
describes as a

>copy of
>hilarious roadrunner-inspired score for accordion,

is the actual score of the piece which has many cartoon's cut out & pasted
on it, & lots of descriptive, non-strictly notated sections.


Herb Levy
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:29:55 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: I Dream of Kagel

> Back in the "real" world, can anyone point me toward a website or
> book dealing with Mauricio Kagel?  I've heard "Der Schall" and
> I have one CD, "zwei akte/rrrrrrr...: 5 jazzstucke/blue's blue,"
> both of which have some biographical liner notes.  I'm not sure
> what I'm looking for.  "More info."  I think it's interesting that
> Kagel was an influence on Zorn as a youngster, and now they're
> essentially contemporaries as composers.

I kind of doubt that Kagel would agree. (nor do I, really) I don't know of any
Kagel websites, but I can highly recommend any of his music up to about
1970, after that I've found it to be a bit spotty. the great DG lps have got to
come back into print one of these days... Der Schall, Match, Ludwig Van are
all great. There's a CD of his great sting quartets on Accord.
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:55:20 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)

Friedrich Feger wrote:

> hi,
>
> Yesterday I read in the newspaper that on the 50th birthday party of
> the
> digging of the "masada-graves" (or something like that) new historical
>
> evidence was presented. Since Zorn apparently named a band after this,
> I
> thought it might be of interest to some of you. As I remember the
> article,
> in the sixities there were lifted some bones of 25 jews that were said
> to
> have killed themselves in order not to become slaves of the romans.
> And of
> course this was made a big symbol by the young Israel (some of you
> will
> know a lot better than I do...). Now one archeologist showed that the
> bones
> were of roman legionaires, which did not at all kill themselves. And
> it
> were only five. And he showed that the scientist who originally found
> and
> analyzed the bones knew all this.
>
> (I'm not there for one week, consequently there will be no answer on
> comments before say next Tuesday)
>
> Fritz.

Masada was the final stronghold of the Jewish uprising against the Roman
invaders.  The defenders, numbering almost 1000 men, women, and
children, committed suicide.  There were only seven who survived.  The
rebellion was crushed and the Temple was not rebuilt, courtesy of the
Romans.  Fact, not fiction.  As far as I know none of the survivors is
around today to revise the facts.

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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:45:08 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Naked City Notation

On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Herb Levy wrote:

> & While I'm not sure what Teemu has seen, I'm willing to bet that what he
> describes as a
>
> >copy of
> >hilarious roadrunner-inspired score for accordion,
>
> is the actual score of the piece which has many cartoon's cut out & pasted
> on it, & lots of descriptive, non-strictly notated sections.

it is. screens and characters cut out from roadrunner, bugs bunny
cartoons, etc...

also has one of the hellist notated passages. one section consists of
improvised dance style: little polka, tango, waltz... each lasting about
one second...


 teemu

:::: e-mail [e-mail] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck -

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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:59 -0400
From: "mcbride/turner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: masada liner notes (reprise)

hi!

this is my second posting to zorn-list.  it's identical to the first except
i'm no longer nervous...  sorry to be repetitive; maybe y'all can consider
it creative looping:

i recently bought masada alef (diw 888) and was taunted by some very
thoughtful-looking liner notes, in japanese!  does anyone know where i can
find an english translation of these notes?

thanks,
       robert turner

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:11:03 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Krystof Komeda

On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, BJOERN wrote:

> i know this guy isnt really list related but hmmmmmmmmm maybe i can make
> him list related if i say that Naked city played a coverversion of his
> "rosemary`s baby"-theme.........
> are there any sources on the net where i can order it?????

Dunno the answer to this one, but;

> which other films have the music of komeda in it???

Remember reading about Komeda in Polanski's auto-bio (think its just
called "Roman") - Komeda was a Polish jazz guy (a pianist? from memory), a
hell-raising mate of Polanski's, who learned his riffs from Radio Free
Europe and Voice of America. He scored all Polanski's early features
(dunno for sure, but probably the shorts too): "Knife In The Water", "Cul
De Sac" - but not "Repulsion", which has a great score by Chico Hamilton.
I think he skipped Poland the same time as Polanski. Dunno anything else;
sorry - I hope this is helpful.

Cheers,

Jim

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:19:04 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83

On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote:
> >
> Geez, what a couple of days it's been, Fela Kuti died friday as well

Where did you hear this from? I read a (maybe apocryphal) reference to
Fela in  _The Wire_ last year - one of their hacks reckoned Fela was
detained in a Nigerian prison. And while it wouldn't suprise me, I
never could get any confirmation of it. But its a shocking thing if those
fuckers have done him in while he's in custody.

Anyways; I'd appreciate any other details that might be to hand somewhere.

Cheers,

Jim

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:44:02 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)

On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:
>
> Masada was the final stronghold of the Jewish uprising against the Roman
> invaders.  The defenders, numbering almost 1000 men, women, and
> children, committed suicide.  There were only seven who survived.  The
> rebellion was crushed and the Temple was not rebuilt, courtesy of the
> Romans.  Fact, not fiction.

Well, sorry; but "fact" is still the domain of empirical evidence -
you zealots (of whatever persuasion) haven't annexed this territory just
yet. And I don't seek to diminish the symbolic significance of the place,
but y'know - it ain't necessarily so.

> As far as I know none of the survivors is around today to revise the
> facts.

As far as I know you weren't alive in 54 AD - so you wouldn't have
a fucking clue! Quasi-historical anecdote/political propaganda does not
consitute "facts" - unless you are some bone-headed nazi.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:44:02 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)

On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:
>
> Masada was the final stronghold of the Jewish uprising against the Roman
> invaders.  The defenders, numbering almost 1000 men, women, and
> children, committed suicide.  There were only seven who survived.  The
> rebellion was crushed and the Temple was not rebuilt, courtesy of the
> Romans.  Fact, not fiction.

Well, sorry; but "fact" is still the domain of empirical evidence -
you zealots (of whatever persuasion) haven't annexed this territory just
yet. And I don't seek to diminish the symbolic significance of the place,
but y'know - it ain't necessarily so.

> As far as I know none of the survivors is around today to revise the
> facts.

As far as I know you weren't alive in 54 AD - so you wouldn't have
a fucking clue! Quasi-historical anecdote/political propaganda does not
consitute "facts" - unless you are some bone-headed nazi.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:42:24 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)

James Douglas Knox wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, ALAN E. KAYSER wrote:
> >
> > Masada was the final stronghold of the Jewish uprising against the
> Roman
> > invaders.  The defenders, numbering almost 1000 men, women, and
> > children, committed suicide.  There were only seven who survived.
> The
> > rebellion was crushed and the Temple was not rebuilt, courtesy of
> the
> > Romans.  Fact, not fiction.
>
> Well, sorry; but "fact" is still the domain of empirical evidence -
> you zealots (of whatever persuasion) haven't annexed this territory
> just
> yet. And I don't seek to diminish the symbolic significance of the
> place,
> but y'know - it ain't necessarily so.
>
> > As far as I know none of the survivors is around today to revise the
>
> > facts.
>
> As far as I know you weren't alive in 54 AD - so you wouldn't have
> a fucking clue! Quasi-historical anecdote/political propaganda does
> not
> consitute "facts" - unless you are some bone-headed nazi.

I'm amazed that your "brain" can work up enough energy to type.  How do
you get your knuckles to work after scraping on the ground all day.
BTW, if you can read - buy a book.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:19:04 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83

On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote:
> >
> Geez, what a couple of days it's been, Fela Kuti died friday as well

Where did you hear this from? I read a (maybe apocryphal) reference to
Fela in  _The Wire_ last year - one of their hacks reckoned Fela was
detained in a Nigerian prison. And while it wouldn't suprise me, I
never could get any confirmation of it. But its a shocking thing if those
fuckers have done him in while he's in custody.

Anyways; I'd appreciate any other details that might be to hand somewhere.

Cheers,

Jim

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:11:03 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Krystof Komeda

On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, BJOERN wrote:

> i know this guy isnt really list related but hmmmmmmmmm maybe i can make
> him list related if i say that Naked city played a coverversion of his
> "rosemary`s baby"-theme.........
> are there any sources on the net where i can order it?????

Dunno the answer to this one, but;

> which other films have the music of komeda in it???

Remember reading about Komeda in Polanski's auto-bio (think its just
called "Roman") - Komeda was a Polish jazz guy (a pianist? from memory), a
hell-raising mate of Polanski's, who learned his riffs from Radio Free
Europe and Voice of America. He scored all Polanski's early features
(dunno for sure, but probably the shorts too): "Knife In The Water", "Cul
De Sac" - but not "Repulsion", which has a great score by Chico Hamilton.
I think he skipped Poland the same time as Polanski. Dunno anything else;
sorry - I hope this is helpful.

Cheers,

Jim

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83

Long-time musician and Nigerian regime's bugbear Fela dead
Augusr 2 1997 Agence France-Presse

   LAGOS (August 2, 1997 6:04 p.m. EDT) - Fela Anikulapo-Kuti, the
   popular musician who died Saturday, was also a political activist,
   would-be president, advocate of marijuana, and a long-standing thorn
   in the flesh of the Nigerian authorities.

   Fela, 58, who died peacefully in his sleep according to his brother
   Olikoye Ransome-Kuti, had been arrested, detained and imprisoned more
   than a dozen times in the past 20 years because of his criticism of
   the authorities.

   Only last April he was arrested and formally charged with possession
   of drugs. He was granted bail after two weeks in detention, and the
   charge was dropped last month.

   Fela's many feats include marrying a total of 27 wives on the same day
   in 1978, most of whom were dancers and singers in his band, which he
   formed in London in 1959.

   His first brush with the law dates back to 1974 when he released his
   famous album "Zombie," generally considered by the military
   authorities in power as a diatribe levelled at them.

   Nursing presidential ambitions, Fela launched a political association,
   the Movement of the People, after a ban on political activities was
   lifted in 1978. He envisaged standing for presidential elections in
   1979 but failed to win approval from the authorities.

   In 1984, he was arrested and charged with currency trafficking and
   sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released two years later
   following reports that the judge who sentenced him apologised when he
   visited the musician in prison.

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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:59 -0400
From: "mcbride/turner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: masada liner notes (reprise)

hi!

this is my second posting to zorn-list.  it's identical to the first except
i'm no longer nervous...  sorry to be repetitive; maybe y'all can consider
it creative looping:

i recently bought masada alef (diw 888) and was taunted by some very
thoughtful-looking liner notes, in japanese!  does anyone know where i can
find an english translation of these notes?

thanks,
       robert turner

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 97 9:37:39 EDT
From: M.Ho <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83

>
> On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote:
> > >
> > Geez, what a couple of days it's been, Fela Kuti died friday as well
>
> Where did you hear this from? I read a (maybe apocryphal) reference to
> Fela in  _The Wire_ last year - one of their hacks reckoned Fela was
> detained in a Nigerian prison. And while it wouldn't suprise me, I
> never could get any confirmation of it. But its a shocking thing if those
> fuckers have done him in while he's in custody.
>
> Anyways; I'd appreciate any other details that might be to hand somewhere.
>

I had heard that he died from AIDS inflicted complications.

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:42:41 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: I Dream of Zorno

YOu know, I;m in the same boat, as in not seeing live preformances, etc.
But I also had a dream a bout John Zorn.
I was in some sort of theater, and Zorn was sitting in between myself and
Wayne Horvitz.
I kept trying to ask wayne about aa album of his that I had seen
recently, but John kept interrupting.
That was it.  I later went on to have a nightmare about unions.
*****************************************
"Next stop...cool."
- -"Melville".
*****************************************

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:34:39 -0500
From: Marc Foster <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Mick Harris

On Monday, July 28, Christopher Hamilton wrote

If you're talking about _Somnific Flux_, it's the most minimal, darkest
ambient I've heard.  If that sounds appealing, you'll probably like it.

Thanks, I'm buying it. Has anyone heard the Harris/Toop/Lilith/Locust =
album that I can't remember how to spell, but is something like =
L'Inacheve? I'm interested in it, but I'm not familiar with Locust and =
Lilith. Any information/ opinions would be appreciated.

Marc A. Foster
=20

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