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zorn-list Digest Tuesday, August 5 1997 Volume 02 : Number 091
In this issue:
Re: pulitzer schmulitzer
Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
Re: Melvins
Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
I'm back, everyone...
Charles Gayle Knitting Factory releases
Re: Charles Gayle Knitting Factory releases
voice mail
Re: Charles Gayle Knitting Factory releases
Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
Naked City Notation?
Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
Re: Naked City Notation?
Re: Naked City Notation?
new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
Krystof Komeda
Re: Naked City Notation?
Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 20:13:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Subject: Re: pulitzer schmulitzer
Don't know if this kind of discussion belongs on the mailing list but: One
of the main reasons Marsalis was awarded the Pulitizer over numerous more
deserving jazz/etc composers is that Blood in the Fields is in a form that
the Pulitizer committee is familiar with and understands, an oratorio (not an
opera). That also means (a) a concert work and not something you hear in
clubs or on albums and (b) a good portion is notated. With such a work, it's
not hard to see why the committee grabbed the opportunity to finally
recognize jazz and show how hip or multi-cultural or whatever they are even
if the piece in question is atypical (which is after all the reason they
noticed it to begin with). Gary Giddins has pointed out that the committee
had to break their own eligibility requirements, otherwise Blood in the
Fields would have been a couple of years too old to qualify.
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:50:10 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
At 1:09 PM 8/3/97, Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
>I thought everyone would like to know that William Burroughs died yesterday
>after being admitted to the Lawrence Memorial Hospital in Lawrence, Kansas.
>He had been admitted Friday after a heart attack.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19970802/V000696-080297-idx.html
>
Geez, what a couple of days it's been, Fela Kuti died friday as well
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:33:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re: William S. Burroughs, dead at 83
Dave Trenkel, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>>I thought everyone would like to know that William Burroughs died yesterday
>Geez, what a couple of days it's been, Fela Kuti died friday as well
Whoa! Wasn't he pretty young?
mike
- ------------------- rizzi@netcom.com -----------------------------------
www.browbeat.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch"
www.grin.net/~rizzi/burma.html
browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ----------------
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:33:36 -0500
From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Melvins
On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:32:03 -0500 (CDT) "wesley@interaccess.com"
<wesley@interaccess.com> writes:
>
>Anyone care to enlighten me a bit about the Melvins?
They are from Seattle, They have been called the first "Grunge " band,
but this is misleading. Their basic idea was to play very slow. After
they started getting attention, (post-Nirvana) they began to be even more
inaccessible. Their album "Prick" is one of the most annoying things you
can imagine. It's as annoying as any Residents album. IMHO one a f the
few interesting rock bands left. Last time I was them they opened for
themselves. Twice.
I recommend hearing Gluey Porch Treatments (Early), and Stoner Witch
(Late).
*****************************************
"Have a good time... All the Time."
- -Viv Savage.
*****************************************
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:49:24 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <ihvh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
The New York Times from yesterday, as well as the new issue of Vibe both
have articles on Miles Davis, in which they talk about the upcoming
Laswell remixes (Vibe lists it as a good primer to Miles' electric
period). The Times, however, mentions an October release, while the Sony
page on Miles still has an August 12 release. I'm assuming that the
Times has the correct date. Can anyone confirm this though? CD now also
has the Laswell/Style Scott CD listed for the 12th as well, but I
emailed WordSound and they informed me that it won't be out until
September (in case anyone is interested!)
Dave Brunelle
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:10:19 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
At 11:49 AM 8/4/97 PDT, David Brunelle wrote:
>The New York Times from yesterday, as well as the new issue of Vibe both
>have articles on Miles Davis, in which they talk about the upcoming
>Laswell remixes (Vibe lists it as a good primer to Miles' electric
>period). The Times, however, mentions an October release, while the Sony
>page on Miles still has an August 12 release. I'm assuming that the
>Times has the correct date. Can anyone confirm this though? CD now also
>has the Laswell/Style Scott CD listed for the 12th as well, but I
>emailed WordSound and they informed me that it won't be out until
>September (in case anyone is interested!)
_Panthalassa_ will probably be out in October. The cover art has not been
done yet and there are a few other things that need to be in place for
release. There has also been a September date circulating that is incorrect.
_Dub Meltdown_ hasn't even been mastered, so there is no release this
month. Wordsound recordings have a tendency to be released when they are
released.
_Arcana 2_, with Tony Williams, Bill Laswell, Pharoah Sanders, Byard
Lancaster, Graham Haynes, Nicky Skopelitis, and Buckethead will be released
in October also on Axiom. I have been listening to this one non-stop for
the last several weeks and it is intense.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 17:09:55 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: I'm back, everyone...
Just as I threatened, I've returned to the Zornlist from the comfort of
my own home.
This is my new e-mail address: ssmith36@sprynet.com
I've missed you all. (And Mike, now hopefully you won't get the
gazillion returned messages you were seeing while I was at Das Knit.
Best to one and all,
Steve Smith
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:49:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Subject: Charles Gayle Knitting Factory releases
Does anybody know what's happened to the Gayle albums that KF was supposed to
release? They're no longer listed on the website. Cancelled, delayed or
what?
Lang Thompson
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:12:21 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Charles Gayle Knitting Factory releases
Wlt4@aol.com wrote:
> Does anybody know what's happened to the Gayle albums that KF was
> supposed to
> release? They're no longer listed on the website. Cancelled, delayed
> or
> what?
>
> Lang Thompson
Lang -
Most likely cancelled. The label has just undergone an complete change
in management (Mark Perlson and Alan Schneider are gone, and Andreas
Wurfel, formerly of Intuition Music, took Mark's place), and combining
that with Charles' drastic change of modus operandi of late (Streets the
Clown, you know) and the fact that, while he's an extremely polite and
affable person, he can be peculiar to work with, I'm guessing that
"Harlem Betrayed" and "By Any Means" probably are not going to happen.
Which is a shame in regards to the By Any Means band (William Parker and
Rashied Ali), but I'm sure that if Charles is interested, someone will
be recording new Gayle material before long. He recently released a
pretty straight instrumental gospel record on 2.13, but I'm sure you
knew that.
Steve Smith
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 17:51:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: voice mail
Has Zorn ever worked with any American singers? Has he ever written any
traditional 'songs?'
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:20:15 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Charles Gayle Knitting Factory releases
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> > Wurfel, formerly of Intuition Music, took Mark's place), and
> combining
> ^^^^^^^^^
> You mean, the German label?
That's our boy.
> > that with Charles' drastic change of modus operandi of late (Streets
> the
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Can you say more about that? I don't understand.
Why Patrice, I'm amazed. Could it be that somehow you've missed all of
the endless debates over Charles on r.m.b.? (Of course, if you have it
means you've been spending your time more wisely than have I.)
In recent shows Charles has taken to a new mime routine he calls Streets
the Clown. Sometimes alone, sometimes with accompanying musicians,
Charles comes out dressed as a clown-cum-streetbum, complete with Emmett
Kelly-styled facepainted beard stubble, and proceeds to do pantomime for
most of the set. If he pays it's often only the last 10-15 minutes of
the set.
This has, of course, been controversial to say the least, and it's just
possible that Charles will back down from this. But I remember the
first time I ever spoke with him in the capacity of my former job; he
very seriously explained to me that his career was about to go in a new
directions and that acting and mime would be involved. So even if I
think he's wasting his time and talent, I have to respect his
deeply-felt convictions and single-minded pursuit of his muse, whatever
it is and where ever it leads him...
Steve
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:03:36 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: tkorpipa@siba.fi
Subject: Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, David Brunelle wrote:
> The New York Times from yesterday, as well as the new issue of Vibe both
> have articles on Miles Davis, in which they talk about the upcoming
> Laswell remixes (Vibe lists it as a good primer to Miles' electric
> period).
i had the opportunity to hear this and it truly sounds great. i love the
stuff miles put out from 65 to 75 so this disk is really a treat to me.
the mixes sound quite subtle to me, thought. there's some added stuff but
i haven't listened in a silent way or the disk (the name escapes me
now...) from where 'rated x' comes from for a while so it's hard to be
sure. sounds great anyway.
interesting sidenote: some time ago i read from somewhere that 'on the
corner' is one of the first records to have drum loops on it... what was
it, 1968?
teemu
:::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 08:43:19 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, David Brunelle wrote:
>
> > The New York Times from yesterday, as well as the new issue of Vibe
> both
> > have articles on Miles Davis, in which they talk about the upcoming
> > Laswell remixes (Vibe lists it as a good primer to Miles' electric
> > period).
>
> i had the opportunity to hear this and it truly sounds great. i love
> the
> stuff miles put out from 65 to 75 so this disk is really a treat to
> me.
> the mixes sound quite subtle to me, thought. there's some added stuff
> but
> i haven't listened in a silent way or the disk (the name escapes me
> now...) from where 'rated x' comes from for a while so it's hard to be
>
> sure. sounds great anyway.
>
> interesting sidenote: some time ago i read from somewhere that 'on the
>
> corner' is one of the first records to have drum loops on it... what
> was
> it, 1968?
>
> teemu
>
> :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> :::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
> 'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck -
'On the Corner' was recorded during June 1972. Among the drummers and
percussionists used during the recordings were Jack DeJohnette, Billy
Hart, Al Foster, Badal Roy, Don Alias, James Mtume.
Alan E Kayser
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:24:39 -0700
From: "pjm" <pjm@memes.com>
Subject: Naked City Notation?
My girlfriend plays piano/reads music and is wondering if/how Zorn notates
Naked City Pieces. Any one have any clues? Thanks
pjm
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 07:11:06 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa/Dub Meltdown
At 11:03 AM 8/5/97 +0200, tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote:
>i had the opportunity to hear this and it truly sounds great. i love the
>stuff miles put out from 65 to 75 so this disk is really a treat to me.
>the mixes sound quite subtle to me, thought. there's some added stuff but
>i haven't listened in a silent way or the disk (the name escapes me
>now...) from where 'rated x' comes from for a while so it's hard to be
>sure. sounds great anyway.
"Rated X" came from _Get Up With It_.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:58:52 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: tkorpipa@siba.fi
Subject: Re: Naked City Notation?
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, pjm wrote:
> My girlfriend plays piano/reads music and is wondering if/how Zorn notates
> Naked City Pieces. Any one have any clues? Thanks
> pjm
at least on my lo-fi videotape of naked city on tampere jazz festival
quite a few years ago they change sheets of music between every song.
makes a great comical effect, as the changing takes more time than most
of their songs... :)
i don't think these have been published thought... i have seen copy of
hilarious roadrunner-inspired score for accordion, thought.
teemu
:::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 08:18:50 PDT
From: "David Brunelle" <ihvh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Naked City Notation?
>My girlfriend plays piano/reads music and is wondering if/how Zorn
notates
>Naked City Pieces. Any one have any clues? Thanks
> pjm
I went to the same school that Frissell went to, and his friend, who
teaches there still, gave my friend copies of sheet music for some of
Naked City's songs from the first album (Igneous Ejaculation,
Hammerhead, etc.). There's a mix of standard notation, as well as
unorthodox. Needless to say, some of it, actually almost all of it is
quite hard to play!
Dave Brunelle
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 19:28:35 +0200
From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de>
Subject: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
hi,
Yesterday I read in the newspaper that on the 50th birthday party of the
digging of the "masada-graves" (or something like that) new historical
evidence was presented. Since Zorn apparently named a band after this, I
thought it might be of interest to some of you. As I remember the article,
in the sixities there were lifted some bones of 25 jews that were said to
have killed themselves in order not to become slaves of the romans. And of
course this was made a big symbol by the young Israel (some of you will
know a lot better than I do...). Now one archeologist showed that the bones
were of roman legionaires, which did not at all kill themselves. And it
were only five. And he showed that the scientist who originally found and
analyzed the bones knew all this.
(I'm not there for one week, consequently there will be no answer on
comments before say next Tuesday)
Fritz.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:55:10 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Krystof Komeda
i know this guy isnt really list related but hmmmmmmmmm maybe i can make
him list related if i say that Naked city played a coverversion of his
"rosemary`s baby"-theme.........
anyway my question: i just could find out that he did the music for
"rosemary`s baby" and "the fearless vampire killers (aka dance of the
vampires)"............i remember that i saw the rosemary`s baby cd long
time ago but couldnt find it since then.....
are there any sources on the net where i can order it?????
which other films have the music of komeda in it???
BJOERN
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:12:24 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Naked City Notation?
At 6:24 AM 8/5/97, pjm wrote:
>My girlfriend plays piano/reads music and is wondering if/how Zorn notates
>Naked City Pieces. Any one have any clues? Thanks
> pjm
I've seen some of the scores, and they are for the most part conventionally
notated. Fun to play also. Unfortunately, I don't think they're going to be
published anytime soon. I saw them because a friend of mine plays with
Wayne Horvitz and they were covering a couple of Naked City tunes.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Subject: Re: new evidence on historical masada (no music content)
Actually this isn't news so much as information that's never been widely
known; at least the evidence, whether it's completely accurate or not is
another question. A good account of the archaeological digs is included in
the anthology "Experience of War" which I believe was excerpted from one of
Neil Silberman's books. Briefly, the archaeologists found no good evidence
to support the mass suicide that were supposed to have occured, in fact found
almost nothing to indicate such an event. The article seems to indicate that
the siege was misrepresented and the suicides invented for propoganda
purposes shortly afterwards and was continued in the present day as a
construction of Israeli and Jewish identity (though I might add that there
seems to have been little reason for anybody in the present day to disbelieve
the story until the digs). Though the report seemed quite reasonable, I
would be interested in any conflicting intrepretations or responses.
Lang Thompson
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