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zorn-list Digest        Saturday, July 26 1997        Volume 02 : Number 087



In this issue:

    (y)earbook volume 2
    Gyson
    Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
    Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute
    Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute
    Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute
    Re: (y)earbook volume 2
    Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder)
    Re: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder)
    Re: Japanese CDs mailorder??
    Re: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder)
    Re: Japanese CDs mailorder??
    trivia
    Re: trivia
    Re: Japanese CDs mailorder??
    Re: Dave Douglas Sanctuary
    Re: Gyson
    Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released
    Re: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released
    Re: Gysin
    CYNICAL HYSTERIE HOUR
    Deadline tracks/
    Mick Harris
    New releases
    Flemish movie trailers
    Re: Flemish movie trailers
    Re: Mick Harris
    zorn on KCRW
    Re: Mick Harris
    Re: Mick Harris
    Re: Mick Harris
    Re: Mick Harris
    Re: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released
    Re: Flemish movie trailers
    Re: Mick Harris (for sale)
    Re: Mick Harris
    Re: Mick Harris
    Re: New releases
    Re: Flemish movie trailers
    Re: zorn on KCRW
    Re: Mick Harris
    Re: Flemish movie trailers
    New James "Blood" Ulmer Projects

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:27:28 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: (y)earbook volume 2

can anyone tell me if this CD is still available and where i can get it?
BJOERN

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:11:37 -0600
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gyson

        I actually have a little booklet here with plans and directions on
how to make a Dream Machine. It's published by Temple Press Ltd. POBox 227,
Brighton, Sussex, BN2 3GL. Although I've yet to make one, from what I
understand, it is a kind of cylinder with designs cut out of it that you
place over a bulb and rotate. When you close your eyes, the patterns induce
some sort of "trip" obtained without drugs.

        Regarding "cut ups", I can't speak to Stein, but I think that I can
speak to the Dadaists. I believe that the dadas were looking for nonsense,
or meaning to be found in nonsense. With the cutup method you actually write
the whole piece, cut it up, repaste it and publish it as a "meaningful"
work. The distinction may be fine, but it is I believe significant. And even
given that distinction, there were no dadas that I'm aware of who had a
career of books published with that method. Much of their work being
designed for performance, again perhaps a fine distinction.

yours --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:12:45 -0600
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

PLease note as my message was whizzing it's way into cyberspace I noticed
that I misspelled "Gysin." sorry won't happen again.

- --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:31:31 -0800
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute

>    I just purchased this, and I have a couple of questions in regards
>to some of the liner notes.
>
>1)There are several references to "dream machines" created by both Gysin
>and Burroughs, but I can't find any info on exactly what these are.  Does
>anyone have any further info on these?

Dream machines are spinning cylinders around light with slits cut into them
to create a kind of strobe effect that can affect the state of the viewer.
There's some discussion of these in a book of Gysin writings that I'll have
to look up the name of.

>
>2)Gysin is credited in the notes for creating the cut up style in
>literature, but it has always been my understanding that Gertrude Stein
>was the first to develop it a couple of generations before Gysin (not to
>mention dadaists like Tzara). Am I
>missing something, or is the text just inaccurate?

Stein didn't cut up any texts that I'm aware of (her process seems to be
more of an intense focus on her own response to words themselves), but
you're right that the Dada folks did (literally) cut up texts.

Any "firstness" ascribed to Gysin on this account would need to be based on
creating longer pieces created from texts selected for potentially
interesting juxtapositions &, probably, using more of a critical eye for
the work, rather than just taking anything that came out.

Bests,

Herb


Herb Levy
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:54:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute

> Any "firstness" ascribed to Gysin on this account would need to be based on
> creating longer pieces created from texts selected for potentially
> interesting juxtapositions &, probably, using more of a critical eye for
> the work, rather than just taking anything that came out.

Might I add that Burroughs also said that cutups were a way to decode the
unconsciousness - e.g. "Cutups let you know what you might now know that
you know".

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:02:51 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute

>>1)There are several references to "dream machines" created by both
>Gysin
>>and Burroughs, but I can't find any info on exactly what these are.
>Does
>>anyone have any further info on these?
>
>Dream machines are spinning cylinders around light with slits cut into
>them
>to create a kind of strobe effect that can affect the state of the
>viewer.
>There's some discussion of these in a book of Gysin writings that I'll
>have
>to look up the name of.
Brion Gysin Let The Mice IN.  is the book to start with.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:28:44 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (y)earbook volume 2

BJOERN wrote:
>
> can anyone tell me if this CD is still available and where i can get it?
> BJOERN

yes this cd is still available, contact--
Rastascan Records
PO box 3073
San Leandro CA 94578-3073
USA
http://www.rastascan.com

I recommend checking out virtually any of the releases on this label, the
Yearbook CD has a Zorn piece, but the rest of the roster is filled with very
high quality stuff!!
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:12:34 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder)

I'm not sure how hard or hoe expensive it is to find Painkiller's
_Execution Ground_ these days, but the three disc CD is at Tower San Mateo
(CA) for slightly under $40.

Just thought someone might want to pick it up.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:26:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder)

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote:

> I'm not sure how hard or hoe expensive it is to find Painkiller's
> _Execution Ground_ these days, but the three disc CD is at Tower San Mateo
> (CA) for slightly under $40.

is this the much-awaited Tzadik
re-issue or the Japanese pressing?

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:49:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder??

In a message dated 97-07-22 06:25:17 EDT, you write:

<< i mean some place where i can get japanese CDs which are not THAT
 expensive....... >>


One problem is that Japanese CDs are quite expensive even *in* Japan.  I
thought i'd found a great source when my cousin moved to Osaka a couple of
years ago but it turns out that nearly everything i wanted was cheaper in the
US, even if only by a couple of bucks.

Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:57:14 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder)

At 03:26 PM 7/22/97 -0700, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
>On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how hard or hoe expensive it is to find Painkiller's
>> _Execution Ground_ these days, but the three disc CD is at Tower San Mateo
>> (CA) for slightly under $40.
>
>is this the much-awaited Tzadik
>re-issue or the Japanese pressing?

It's the Japanese one.  They've had it for a while.


Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:37:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder??

> One problem is that Japanese CDs are quite expensive even *in* Japan.  I
> thought i'd found a great source when my cousin moved to Osaka a couple of
> years ago but it turns out that nearly everything i wanted was cheaper in the
> US, even if only by a couple of bucks.

And another odd thing i found about japanese CD prices (in Tokyo, at
least) was that everything seemed to cost pretty much the same, ie: the
new Soundgarden album was as expensive (or cheap, depending on which
country you make your money in, i suppose) as, say, Zoviet France or
Naked City....

- -jascha

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:40:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Subject: trivia

I happen to notice that 'Zorn' translates as 'Wrath' in German, which
seems just far too convenient to be real.  Is John Zorn's name an assumed
one, or is this actualy his name?

(Does this matter?  Not in the least!...human curiosity triumphs over
relevance once again).

- -jascha

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:30:24 -0500
From: Richard C Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: trivia

Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
>
> I happen to notice that 'Zorn' translates as 'Wrath' in German, which
> seems just far too convenient to be real.  Is John Zorn's name an assumed
> one, or is this actualy his name?

On the back cover of the Zorn/Chadbourne "School" LP, there is a
photograph of Henry Zorn playing a tiple and looking remarkably similar
to his son(Grandson?), John.

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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:42:06 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder??

Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:

> > One problem is that Japanese CDs are quite expensive even *in*
> Japan.  I
> > thought i'd found a great source when my cousin moved to Osaka a
> couple of
> > years ago but it turns out that nearly everything i wanted was
> cheaper in the
> > US, even if only by a couple of bucks.
>
> And another odd thing i found about japanese CD prices (in Tokyo, at
> least) was that everything seemed to cost pretty much the same, ie:
> the
> new Soundgarden album was as expensive (or cheap, depending on which
> country you make your money in, i suppose) as, say, Zoviet France or
> Naked City....
>
> -jascha

Yes, this is true.  If you look on a Japanese CD you'll see the price in
yen on the spine.  You'll pay that price no matter where you buy it.
Tokyo is loaded with shops, but discounts on recordings are unheard of.
It's also true that you will pay far less for Japanese CDs in the US
than you will in Japan, due to exchange rates.  The average CD in Tokyo,
and Japan in general, costs about $25 by current exchange rates.  Hong
Kong was better, due to less restrictive duties, but who knows now.

Alan

>

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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:46:07 -0400
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas Sanctuary

Toru Todate wrote:

>  Stewart Casey  wrote
> >
> >       Does anybody know when this album is due for release?  Or is
> already
> out?
> > I'm also wondering about the lineup on the album.  I saw it
> performed in
> > Vancouver with Michael Moore, Cutis Fowlkes, Peggy Lee, Georg
> Graewe,
> Ikue
> > Mori, James Genus, Ben Perowsky. It was fierce.
>
> According to 'Swing Journal, Sep97', which is the jazz magazine
> published
> in Japan,
> 'Sanctuary' will be released on August 21  in Japan, 'Masada 8' too.
>
> Toru Todate
> [e-mail]

I had a chance to speak with Dave last night here in Philadelphia.  The
release date for Sanctuary will be August 12 here in the US.  He's very
excited about the composition, but a tour seems unlikely due to costs.
Tiny Bell Trio, by the way, did two full sets and were excellent.

Alan

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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:09:32 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Geert Buelens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gyson

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, dennis summers wrote:

>         Regarding "cut ups", I can't speak to Stein, but I think that I can
> speak to the Dadaists. I believe that the dadas were looking for nonsense,
> or meaning to be found in nonsense. With the cutup method you actually write
> the whole piece, cut it up, repaste it and publish it as a "meaningful"
> work. The distinction may be fine, but it is I believe significant. And even
> given that distinction, there were no dadas that I'm aware of who had a
> career of books published with that method. Much of their work being
> designed for performance, again perhaps a fine distinction.
>
Now, that's not really true. I know of some German and two Belgian poets
(one in Dutch, the other in French) who used a Dadaist cut-up-like
technique in books, published around 1920

By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a
film trailer; hope Zorn sues them.

geert

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:43:00 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released

Hi,

OH JOY! Yep - its finally in the racks, in my CD player - its "out" there,
at last. From Zorn's liner notes:

"A funny thing happened...MASADA was scheduled to perform at the Knitting
Factory the ten days of Hanukah - December 1996 and a week or so before
the dates I got a phone call from Micheal Dorf. Apparently Sony wanted to
rent the Knitting Factory space for a private party one night smack in the
middle of the run. Would I consider giving up one of the nights? Of course
my first response was "NO WAY - TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF", and then I
remembered this recording. If I've got something they want (this night in
December) - perhaps they'd give me something I want. Absurd, you say?
Ridiculous? Never Happen? That's what I thought, but I took a chance and
laid the deal in Micheal Dorf's lap: a night for their party of squares in
exchange for the rights to CYNICAL HYSTERIE HOUR, which had dropped out of
print six months after its 1990 release. Dorf seemed positive he could do
it - and can you believe it - he really did!"

I believe it - Birdland (birdland @magna.com.au)  has got it already if
you can't wait for its appearance your own part of the world (where ever
that might be). Its a fantastic and whimsical thing. Meantime,

cheers and best regards,

Jim

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:50:00 +0200 (MSZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released

funny thing i just bought it and hey....i wanted to send these liner
notes too :)
so this is a really funny story how Zorn got the rights for the CD.....
but i guess he didnt get the complete rights because the back of the CD says:
"Cynical Hysterie Hour under licanse of Sony Music Special Products"

anyway Duras: Duchamp is also released and i personally do not like it
too much........ it is very calm , kinda Redbirdish...
also the rerelease of Filmworks I is out...

by the way......... i am talking bout the german releases

BJOERN

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:22:59 -0600
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gysin

>Now, that's not really true. I know of some German and two Belgian poets
>(one in Dutch, the other in French) who used a Dadaist cut-up-like
>technique in books, published around 1920
>geert

Please, just for my own info who are these guys, and what did they write?
I'm no expert on the dadas, but I've read some about them, and haven't come
across what you mention.

yours --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:25:41 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: CYNICAL HYSTERIE HOUR

so for everyone who is interested here are some of my first impressions.
First of all i`d like to say that this record in my opinion is one of the
Zorn highlights of all time.
the cd has four sections (because there are 4 cartoons in the Cynical
Hysterie Hour Series). it is about 25 min long (or short). there is all
kinds of music involved...everything from surf music to punk rock...from
nice harp tunes to weird cartoonish sounds.
yeah this is really cartoon music.
I love it!!!!!!!!
Anyway i guess this is a must have CD for everyone who is just a little
bit interested in Zorn`s work.
Some of the stuff reminded me of some music that he did with Naked City.
Track 23 has a surf solo guitar (played by bill frisell) that reminded me
a lot of some stuff from the "Radio" CD by naked City....

anyway i guess i cant really describe the music.........just buy and
enjoy!!!!!

BJOERN

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:52:09
From: "John E. Young" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Deadline tracks/

>2/ Does anyone have the songwriting credits for the two APC Tracks
>albums as well as the first Deadline album? This info would also be
>greatly appreciated.

i have one deadline record, entitled "down by law,"  celluloid 6111
(on vinyl--1985).  i don't know if it was their first record, but here's the
credits for it:

side a:

1. afro beat (m.dibango, p. wilson, b. laswell)
2. boat peoples (m. dibango, s. turre, p. wilson)
3. baliphone dub (p. wilson)

side b:

1. makossa rock (m.dibango, p. wilson, b. laswell)
2. gammatron (p. wilson, b. laswell)
3. doo root (p. wilson)

it's a pretty cool record--the first i ever heard with turre playing conch
shells.

jy

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:36:49 +0200 (METDST)
From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mick Harris

Hello,
I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other
than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite
a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a
few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the
only band where he plays drums?!

Thanks,

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:39:47 +0200 (METDST)
From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: New releases

Does anybody know the release dates for any of the following:

The new cd by Derek & The Ruins
The "Guitars On Mars" compilation with a (new?) Derek Bailey techno track
The new cd by the Misha Mengelberg trio (I'm not sure this actually exists
but someone told me they've recorded it)

Thanks,

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Flemish movie trailers

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Geert Buelens wrote:

> By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a
> film trailer; hope Zorn sues them.

Why do you think they lack permission?  As I recall, Nike used a Naked
City track in an ad  campaign about five years ago.

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:39:11 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT)  Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Geert Buelens wrote:
>
> > By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a
> > film trailer; hope Zorn sues them.
>
> Why do you think they lack permission?  As I recall, Nike used a Naked
> City track in an ad  campaign about five years ago.

Yep. I think the commercials (there were many) came from Weiden And Kennedy,
an agency from Portland (still need to check if they also did the Budweiser
one with the Ambitious Lovers).

    Patrice.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:49:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Rich Ladew)
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

>To: [e-mail]
>From: [e-mail] (Rich Ladew)
>Subject: Re: Mick Harris
>
>>Hello,
>>I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other
>>than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite
>>a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a
>>few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the
>>only band where he plays drums?!
>>
>>Thanks,
>2 Words: NAPALM DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!
>If you can get it, get Napalm Death's "The John Peel sessions" (Strange
Fruit/Dutch East India Recordings).  This is IT.  If you have heard Zorn's
radio hour (the one where you hear him promoting NAKED CITY and Torture
Garden, playing Beach Boys Roland Kirk, Esquivel, Funkadelic, etc..) then
this is the version he uses.  Zorn plays 3 tracks totalling under 1 minute:
The Kill/ Prison Without Walls / and Dead part 1.  Zorn describes it as
something like heavenly music that transcends the death metal genre and
belongs in the stratosphere.
>        If you cant find this one try Napalm Death's "Scum" (Earache
records) which also features Mick Harris.  The unfortunate thing with Napalm
Death IMHO is that it is only great with the original lineup (Mick Harris
:drums, vocals; Shane Embury: bass; Bill Steer: guitar; Lee Dorrian: vocals
>
>Now stop reading this and kill if you must to find The Peel sessions.  If
you like Painkiller and Torture Garden, you will be very pleased.
>
>Rich Ladew
>[e-mail]
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:15:46 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Keith McMullen)
Subject: zorn on KCRW

the host of KCRW, the FM station originating from Santa Monica College in
Santa Monica, Ca, is in New York filming some music stuff that airs on
PBS television.

while doing the TV stuff he broadcasts live from NY for an hour on KCRW
out here in California...weekdays between 9 and noon...

Monday, July 28, he will have John Zorn in the studio and will be
interviewing him live on the air...Zorn said he is bringing a stack of
Japanese singles to entertain the lucky listening audience.

I don't know what this means for Eastcoasters, but Southern Californians,
get those cassette recorders ready with some fresh tape. The show airs
from 9-noon...i am not sure when Zorn comes on, probably at 11am.

The shows are archived on the KCRW website...so at worst it will be
available there to everyone after the fact.

Scwitterz

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:44:10 -0400
From: Glenn Ianaro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other
> than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite
> a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a
> few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the
> only band where he plays drums?!
>
> Thanks,

Mick Harris also played on the first 2 Napalm Death cd's.  I have one
scorn tape and some painkiller.  The Napalm Death is the only other
stuff other that those 2 that I can think of.

OH, He was the drummer for Napalm, Doing 1,000 mile/hour blast beats.

GLENN

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:18:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Torsten Nielsen wrote:

> Hello,
> I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other
> than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite
> a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a
> few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the
> only band where he plays drums?!

Go to www.hyperreal.org and follow the link to the music section and try
to find the Dub Terrorist pages (or go to www.search.com and do a search
for Dub Terrorist).  Sorry I don't know the actual link-path, but
Hyperreal just reorganized their pages and I don't remember the exact way
to get there anymore.  It's a listing of various projects of God, Ice,
Techno Animal, Painkiller, Scorn, etc.  Hope this helps.

cya
brian

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:06:37 -0500
From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

- ----------
>>
> Mick Harris also played on the first 2 Napalm Death cd's.  I have one
> scorn tape and some painkiller.  The Napalm Death is the only other
> stuff other that those 2 that I can think of.
>
> OH, He was the drummer for Napalm, Doing 1,000 mile/hour blast beats.
>
> GLENN
>

Mick Harris recorded a cd with guitarist James Plotkin this year called
"Collapse"... it's an ambient ethereal type of project featuring digital
guitar loops, synths ...etc etc.... very nice !

glenn A

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:26:28 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

Torsten Nielsen wrote:

>Is Painkiller the only band where he plays drums?!

Rich Ladew replied:

>2 Words: NAPALM DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!
>If you can get it, get Napalm Death's "The John Peel sessions"
>(Strange Fruit/Dutch East India Recordings).  This is IT.

... <snip> ...

>If you cant find this one try Napalm Death's "Scum"
>(Earache records) which also features Mick Harris.

Disclaimer:  My apologies for the use of the term "dub" in the following
lines.  Obviously, Scorn is not true dub (King Tubby, Mad Prof., Lee Perry,
Scientist, Marley etc.) in any sense of the word, but my usage of the term
(instead of using "post-dub", or something even more meaningless) is simply

for descriptive purposes ...

I'll second the recommendation on ND's two discs, for fans of Painkiller
and Naked City, and add that Mick also plays drums on the new Sigillum S
record.  Also, on Scorn's debut record, "Vae Solis" (Earache 1992), which
is a mixture of early Godflesh, dubby basslines, and dark-ambient
atmospherics (nothing like Scorn post-1993) and "Colossus" (Earache 1993),
which is a mixture of the Vae Solis record, and the minimal, dark-ambient,
fractured dub experiments of recent Scorn, Mick plays some drums here & there
in amongst the drum-machine noise & programming.

Torsten Nielsen again:

>I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other
>than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite
>a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a
>few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient...

Mick's got so many things going these days, it'd be hard not to write pages ...

As far as Scorn goes, the early to records (1992-93), "Vae Solis" (LP),
"Lick Forever Dog" (EP), "Lament" (7"), "Deliverance" (EP), "Colossus" (LP),
and "White Irises Blind" (EP) are roughly as described above, with the last
three efforts containing more of a low-end presence, and more of the
slowed-down hip-hop-esque beats/programming that was to come.  Scorn was a
duo for these records with Nicholas Bullen providing bass guitar, lead guitar
and vocals (screaming on the first record, more drone-like singing on
Deliverance through WIB).

The next Scorn record, "Evanescence" (Earache 1994), is where the old
Scorn was entirely left behind.  Still a duo for this outing, with the
help of James Plotkin on guitar & guitar synth (his trademark ambient style),
and Nick Garnett on Digeridoo, this album was billed as "ambient dub".
Not nearly as stark and minimal as recent Scorn, this LP is slightly
upbeat (but still dark), and has quite a tribal/world feel in places.
Drones & shifting atmospherics, typical Harris samples/noises, beats
ranging from slow to fast, along with the heavy plodding low-end and
Bullen's whispered, echoed, drone-like vocals.  No heavy guitar
dirges/riffs to be found.

Next up was "Ellipsis" (Earache/Scorn Recordings 1995) which is a remix
album that really put Scorn into the position it occupies today within
electronica/techno/d'n'b etc.  Remixes of tracks from "Evanescence" and
one from "Colossus" by the likes of Laswell, Autechre, MBM, Coil, Scanner,
and PCM.  More electronic of course, with some noisy techno sounds, and
drum 'n' bass thrown into the Scorn equation.

Bullen left Scorn follwing this (a long story unto itself) and Mick's solo
Scorn career began with "Gyral" (Earache/Scorn Recordings 1995).  Dark,
slow, brooding, and minimal, with a low-end for subwoofer freaks.  Floating
drones reminiscent of his Lull-project, stretched, reverbed & echoed sounds
(piano included), and simple, but powerful hip-hop beats/drum breaks.

Next came "Logghi Barogghi" (Earache/Scorn Recordings 1996), Mick's last
record before parting ways with Earahce (another long story), and his first
(since the backing vocals he did on Vae Solis), to use his voice as an
instrument.  Continuing on from Gyral, LB is even more sparse, but contains
a wider array of electronic effects/sounds and covers more territory.  The
sub-bass is just as low, but most of the drones & atmosphere have been pushed
further back in the mix to make way for the strong beats/breaks & vocals.  Way
more echoing, time-stretching, flanging, and reverb throughout.  Mick's voice
is also heavily processed, with a metallic tinge, and is for the most part,
unintelligible.  The speed and placement of the breaks on the record are
indicative of his love of drum'n'bass, which he never used Scorn for, but
would soon release under other guises.  Side note: He samples from two
Laswell records - Divination I & Valis I.

Mick signed to KK records (Belgium) and Invisible in the US, following his
split with Earache, and started up his own label, Possible, to release mainly
dark techstep/d'n'b outings in 1996.  Scorn released the "Leave It Out" 12"
on Possible in 1996:  four tracks, quite reminiscent of Gyral, but with the
bass being more dense, and not as low in frequency.  Then came Scorn's latest,
"Zander" (KK/Invisible 1997), which is a less minimal, heavier,
Gyral/LB-sounding effort.  Nothing much "new" with this one, but still
quality work.  Big, beefy, foundation-rattling basslines, with electronic
envelopes, and all the usual effects.  A return to instrumental pieces; no
vocals on this one.

As Mick has said (more than once), he's ready to end Scorn, and simply focus
on his billion other experimental projects/collaborations on a handful of
different labels.  Things were supposed to end with Logghi, as rumors go,
but they didn't.  Now supposedly, Scorn will release two more 12"s on
Possible
(Beat Vol. 1 & 2) and then call it quits for good, but who knows.  Also,
Scorn's reputed last live date ever which was set at the Anchorage on 6/19
in NYC, was cancelled!

Alright, now that I hope I've answered your basic Scorn questions, I could go
on and write just as much on all his other outings, but I won't cause a) I
don't have the time, and b) there's no reason to clog the Zorn list with this
stuff.  So, I'll throw his work into quick categories and then point you to
a * website * which should help with discographies & info ...

Dark-ambient/Drones/Low-end rumblings/20 - 60+ minute tracks etc:

Lull - Dreamt About Dreaming CD
Lull - Journey Through Underworlds CD
Lull - Cold Summer CD
Lull - Continue CD
Lull - a bunch of now o/p 7"s
Harris/Laswell - Somnific Flux CD
Harris/Bates - Murder Ballads (Drift) CD
Harris/Bates - Murder Ballads (Passages) CD
Harris/Plotkin - Collapse CD
Laswell's Divination II & III
Harris/Spybey (coming)

Drum 'N' Bass/Dub/Beats & Breaks:

Quoit - Lounge CD
Quoit - Tactics 12"
Harris/Laswell/Bernocchi - Equations Of Eternity CD
Harris/Bernocchi - Overload Lady CD & 12"
Matera - Same Here CD
Transmisia - Frigid Prose (remix work)
Sielwolf - V (remix work)
Frequencies - Neoartic (not yet released)

Other projects he's worked on:

Joy Of Disease w/ James Plotkin
Praxis - Sacrifist w/ Laswell, Zorn etc.
Chaos Face w/ Laswell etc.

Tons of compilation appearances and remix work as well.

Now, the website - Dub Terrorist:

 http://www.hyperreal.com/music/artists/dub_terrorist/


- -Patrick

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:35:40 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, BJOERN wrote:

> so this is a really funny story how Zorn got the rights for the CD.....
> but i guess he didnt get the complete rights because the back of the CD says:
> "Cynical Hysterie Hour under licanse of Sony Music Special Products"

Yeah, it struck me afterwards what a bunch of fuckwits these suits at Sony
must be - like; they won't negotiate Zorn on the rights to the recordings,
prefering them to gather dust somewhere. But these coked-up turkeys are
perfectly happy to give them away (not completely) so they can have some
stupid party!

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

> Yep. I think the commercials (there were many) came from Weiden And Kennedy,
> an agency from Portland (still need to check if they also did the Budweiser
> one with the Ambitious Lovers).

Wow!  This one I missed.  Which Ambitious Lovers track did they use?

Chris Hamilton

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:16:38 +0100 (BST)
From: "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mick Harris (for sale)

If anyone's interested, i'm trying to get rid of the following Harris discs:

Scorn -- Evanescence (vinyl, all others cd)
Harris/Laswell - Somnific Flux CD
Laswell's Divination II
Chaos Face w/ Laswell etc.
Painkiller -- Buried Secrets (Earache)

Also:

Bill Laswell/N.J. Bullen -- Bass Terror (Sub Rosa)
The Golden Palominos -- S/T
Praxis -- Metatron

The usual sale or trade for weird stuff....

Thanks, sorry to bother you, etc.

alan

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:29:06 -0400
From: Matt Jukins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

>
> Mick Harris also played on the first 2 Napalm Death cd's.  I have one
> scorn tape and some painkiller.  The Napalm Death is the only other
> stuff other that those 2 that I can think of.
>
> OH, He was the drummer for Napalm, Doing 1,000 mile/hour blast beats.
>
> GLENN

Actually, Mick plays on more than just the first two:

1) Peel Sessions
2) Scum
3) From Enslavement to Obliteration
4) Death By Manipulation
5) Harmony Corruption

Cheers!

- -Matt

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:42:03 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:36:49 +0200 (METDST) Torsten Nielsen
<[e-mail]> writes:
>Hello,
>I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects
>other
>than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it
>quite
>a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has
>a
>few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is
>Painkiller the
>only band where he plays drums?!
>
>Thanks,
Napalm Death, Napalm Death Napalm Death.  Album: Scum
I forget which other ones he plays on.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:43:15 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: New releases

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:39:47 +0200 (METDST) Torsten Nielsen
<[e-mail]> writes:
>Does anybody know the release dates for any of the following:
>
>The new cd by Derek & The Ruins
>The "Guitars On Mars" compilation with a (new?) Derek Bailey techno
>track
>The new cd by the Misha Mengelberg trio (I'm not sure this actually
>exists
>but someone told me they've recorded it)
>
>Thanks,
>
I have the Misha Mengelberg trio record, so it exists.
Good stuff.  Joey Baron is the man, eh?

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:39:25 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:40:27 -0400 (EDT)  Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> > Yep. I think the commercials (there were many) came from Weiden And Kennedy,
> > an agency from Portland (still need to check if they also did the Budweiser
> > one with the Ambitious Lovers).
>
> Wow!  This one I missed.  Which Ambitious Lovers track did they use?

I think it was an original one. Faily mellow but with few tidbits of skronk
and Arto breathless unique voice. I was driving to work when they played it
and I could not believe it!!! Few years after I asked him (I was still
having doubts) and he confirmed it.

There was an interesting article on Weiden And Kennedy in a local (Portland,
OR) newspaper. The article was about a new campaign for Miller (the beer).
The funny thing is that they (W&K) contacted Negativland to get their music
for the commercial!!! Of course, the band refused claiming that if W&K had
any understanding of what their music stood for, they would have never
bothered asking...

Anyway, many downtown artists have worked with W&K.

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:04:51 +0200 (METDST)
From: Jonas Vognsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn on KCRW

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Keith McMullen wrote:

> Monday, July 28, he will have John Zorn in the studio and will be
> interviewing him live on the air...Zorn said he is bringing a stack of
> Japanese singles to entertain the lucky listening audience.
>

Is there anybody who could send me a copy of this interview? I have stuff
to trade...

Jonas

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:02:17 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mick Harris

> Actually, Mick plays on more than just the first two:
>
> 1) Peel Sessions
> 2) Scum
> 3) From Enslavement to Obliteration
> 4) Death By Manipulation
> 5) Harmony Corruption

he's also on 'Mentally Murdered' and i think some tracks on 'The World
Keeps Turning' (although the new drummer is in the picture on the back).
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:30:49 -0500
From: Mark Corroto <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers

has anyone acquired the Arto lindsey remix disc from his latest
Gramavision release?

If so can you give us a short review

mc

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:01:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New James "Blood" Ulmer Projects

Info gleaned from (of all places) the new issue of Esquire Magazine :

    "James Blood Ulmer : The jazz/funk/blues guitarist and vocalist
has a new album, _Crossfire_ (DIW Records) with his Music Revelation
Ensemble (which includes John Zorn and Pharoah Sanders), coming out later
this year.  Ulmer performed with Ry Cooder on the score of Wim Wender's
The End Of Violence, due out in the fall."

All I can say is, !!!!!

Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat,

Paul
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