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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #29
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zorn-list Digest Monday, 18 November 1996 Volume 02 : Number 029
In this issue:
Re: M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
Re: _Live In China_ set
Re: Henry Kaiser, M.G.H.Z.A.
Re: Henry Kaiser
[none]
wrist slap and praise
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: Masada-like recommendations?
recordings for trade
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Trespass
What is Bible Launcher?
Re: Tzadik Adress
Re: Masada-like recommendations?
Re: Henry Kaiser
Re: Henry Kaiser
Re: Trespass
Re: Henry Kaiser
11/15/96
Re: What is Bible Launcher?
West coast Masada
Re: West coast Masada
Re: Adress
Naked City as Purgative
Ultra-hip super 90's wired cyber-Masada for the information age?
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list
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From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:26:32 -0800
Subject: Re: M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
>Hey Bob,
>I've never been to a record swap meet full of stamp collectors, so I don't know
>what you mean. Anyway, I know how ya feel. The only Zorn my girlfriend
>likes is the 'Chinatown" cut on the Naked City album. She loves Bar Kokhba
>though - have you tried that? I think she'd like the stuff live though 'cause
>she usually does. She never liked David Murray 'til I took her to seem him in
>Boulder a few months ago. But I'm not taking any chances for the Masada
>show - leaving her home so my buddies and I can enjoy th music we've been
>waiting years to hear live.
I used a few cuts from Bar Kochba to fill out the end of a tape of
Russian/Jewish folk songs for a my girlfriend's mother. She loves it. I
can't believe that Zorn has made a parent-friendly record. I suppose I'll
have to make her a Painkiller comp tape next...
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org
self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/
"A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast
and bulbous, got me?"
-Captain Beefheart
________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: Susan Birkwood <susan@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:31:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: _Live In China_ set
Hey,
re: the Zorn/Eye 100 cd set, I read in WIRE that it was due out this
spring ('97)
Regards,
Chris Cole
------------------------------
From: Greg Mills <gmills@usa.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:32:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Henry Kaiser, M.G.H.Z.A.
The most accesable and balanced Henry Kaiser CD I've come accross is "We
Hope You Like Our New Direction". It goes from blues, to weird Downtown
stuff, to a REALLY GOOD (this is not a joke) cover version of "Rock On".
Ibelieve it's on Restless Records.
I have this friend Grace who lives on Broadway in Oakland, CA and her
street number is the same as HK's address on Broadway Terrace, so she got
his mail a couple of times. Neat huh?
As for M.G.H.Z.A., my friend Mark's ex actually vomited listening to Naked
City. They were on a car trip and she said all that sudden " awfulstopping
and starting" gave her vertigo and she puked. Damn!
Greg
------------------------------
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:20:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Henry Kaiser
There's a reissue of Outside Pleasures and Aloha called Outside Aloha
Pleasures. It's on Atavistic, which is turning into quite an interesting
label. Haven't actually heard the disc so i don't know if the two albums are
complete.
Lang Thompson
------------------------------
From: kevinn@seis.com (Kevin Neales)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:40:52 -0500
Subject: [none]
I was checking out the imdb web site and ran Zorn's name. They list a few
movies that he has composed music for that I haven't heard of. They are
Thieve's Quartet, Hoelderlin Comics, Maoghai(aka Sadistic City). Has
anybody seen any of these movies. Are the available on video.
Kevin Neales
kevinn@seis.com
------------------------------
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:31:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: wrist slap and praise
Attention Zorn-List Subscribers and Fellow Stamp Collectors
A couple of reminders from your friendly list fascist
(that's me) about a few peeves:
1. When you attribute (>) someone elses post: minimize (cut
down) the attribution, remove the previous poster's
signature line. Leave just enough to give context to
your reply. DON'T ATTRIBUTE 100 LINES OF TEXT, THEN POST
A TWO LINE COMMENT. That is a true waste of bandwidth
and disk space.
2. Please only send simple text (ASCII), anything else
can cause to your prose to be interspersed with funny
symbols like ^t and =20 when read by others. European
and Mac users take special note here.
3. When sending a copy of private email to the list,
please make sure that you remove the email headers.
Not doing so has the unfortunate side effect of breaking
the digest.
4. The majordomo list server software will ONLY send messages
to the zorn-list from a known subscriber. If you post
from a different address than you originally subscribed
then your messsages come to me rather than the list.
Normally, this is a rare occurrence, but it has happened
a real lot in the last week.
Phewww! Boy can I blather a lot. :)
Now for da praise. It's great to see the increased quality
and frequency of discussion of late. All 449 of you rule!
Keep it up.
cheers,
mike rizzi
- ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com
"Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=-
http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/
- ------ browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------
------------------------------
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:11:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
>>...Don't know the exact reason why, but having two labels
>>he completely controls makes me think that he does not need help from
>>anybody to release his music.
>I'm sure he doesn't need help. I also suspect he enjoys releasing stuff on
>a variety of labels, perhaps to give collectors something to feel proud
>about.
I'd be REALLY suprised that he gives two shits what
collectors thinks. It's probably for more pragmatic
reasons.
I do know that every record label (even majors) have
a limit on how many different recordings they can
produce in a year. It's not like a record label
has infinite resources.
mike
- ------------------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com
"Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=-
http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/
- ------ browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------
------------------------------
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:18:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Masada-like recommendations?
>When in doubt, grab your sack and yell at the top of your lungs
>"My balls are humungus. They weigh twenty pounds. I like to rest them on
>my feet!!!"
Now it's postings like this that make me
proud to be associated with the zorn-list.
standing ovation,
rizzi
------------------------------
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:41:43 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: recordings for trade
Howdy, I'm just wondering if any Uk subscribers to the list might have
copies of some BBC Radio 3 programs they wouldn't mind to dub for me.
I've got live recordings of Fred Frith, Robin Holcomb, the
Horvitz/ Morris/ Previte Trio (all from the Festival of Perth a few years
back), and John Rose and a bunch of crazies giving "Violin Music In The
Age Of Shopping" its Australian premiere; all from our own national
broadcaster that I can, at least, offer to trade.
OK, programs in questionn are John Zorn's discursion on the cartoon
scoring of Carl Stallings, "A Corny Concerto" (broadcast 18th Feb and
repeated on the 14th August this year) and "Mixing It" from the 15th of
July and 12th of August (with a live recording of the Otomo Yoshihide/
Steve Beresford Duo). Thanks much; meantime
go well, stay free...
Jim K
------------------------------
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:48:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, m. rizzi wrote:
> I do know that every record label (even majors) have
> a limit on how many different recordings they can
> produce in a year. It's not like a record label
> has infinite resources.
on the other hand, there's Muslimguaze
who has been putting out at least one
CD a month lately... WUP.
obZorn: i noticed that the unofficial
Cadence web site hasn't been updated for
quite some time. is this going to change?
well, i read somewhere that
"More News For Lulu" is now out of print.
of course, i kept putting off purchase
of this CD and now i can't seem to locate
at any local record havens. yeah, yeah.
i know i'm being a lazy sod - i could
just head on down to the local Tower and
check the recent issue. does anyone know
if Cadence still has copies of this disc?
i suppose it's time to get a subscription
already..
anyway! the Masada show in SF (11/15) was
astounding. was the multimedia barrage
something that Zorn wanted or normal fare
for the Maritime Hall?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:24:19 +1100 (EDT)
Subject: Trespass
Oh, unnh, this one is a bit more embarassing; leastways for me. Mr Roussel
kindly thanks me in the new zorn discography for mailing re: Filmworks 2
(Zorn had been commissioned to do the score, but those inexorable
MCA studio execs baulked, and got Ry Cooder to come up with his own
perfectly competent but somewhat lesser alternative). I neither expected
nor deserve this thanks, however: I'd been clued up by Phil Brophy, who
interviewed Zorn for the catalogue of the Kaboom! Explosive Animation From
Japan And America exhibition at the MCA in Sydney. I e-mailed Patrice
this info Friday, but until he can get around to striking me out, this
looks like the best place to assuage my conscience. Heck, far from
seeking self-aggrandisement, I was just looking to share this gem of
useless trivia. Anyways, I guess I'll have to be more careful next time.
go well, stay free...
Jim K
------------------------------
From: "Newcombe, Andrew" <andynew@buntypost.dundee.ncr.com>
Date: Mon Nov 18 09:49 GMT 1996
Subject: What is Bible Launcher?
Can anyone tell me anything about Bible Launcher? Who plays on the CD?
What sort of Music is it ? Any reviews?
Ta,
Andy.
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:51:24 -0800
Subject: Re: Tzadik Adress
Aaron J. Rabushka wrote:
>
> Does anybody have the snail-mail address for the Tzadik operation?
61 East Eighth Street, Suite 126, New York, NY 10003, USA.
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:41:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Masada-like recommendations?
Amen!
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, m. rizzi wrote:
> >When in doubt, grab your sack and yell at the top of your lungs
> >"My balls are humungus. They weigh twenty pounds. I like to rest them on
> >my feet!!!"
>
> Now it's postings like this that make me
> proud to be associated with the zorn-list.
>
> standing ovation,
> rizzi
>
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:26:57 -0800
Subject: Re: Henry Kaiser
Wlt4@aol.com wrote:
>
> There's a reissue of Outside Pleasures and Aloha called Outside Aloha
> Pleasures. It's on Atavistic, which is turning into quite an interesting
> label. Haven't actually heard the disc so i don't know if the two albums are
> complete.
I agree that Atavistic is becoming very interesting but must interject
that OUTSIDE ALOHA PLEASURES is on Dexter's Cigar, the Drag City
offshoot run by Jim O'Rourke and David Grubbs. The disc contains all
of the solo tracks from both albums, with none of the band tracks.
Regarding Henry:
HOPE YOU LIKE OUR NEW DIRECTION is a good intro to his work but
may be hard to find as the label is defunct. LEMON FISH TWEEZER is
also a fine intro but for a similarly defunct label. There have been
many many arguments about this next one, but I really love the sound of
WIREFORKS, the duet with Derek Bailey on Shanachie. Less controversial
and just as beautiful is Henry's duet album with Jim O'Rourke
on Victo, TOMORROW KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE. There is some
good music to be found on ETERNITY BLUE, Henry's all Grateful Dead
covers album on Shanachie (particularly a romping "Blues for Allah"
with pianist Marilyn Crispell), but I would advise avoiding the band
SECOND SIGHT (Shanachie) unless you're really into the Dead... it's
much closer to their bag than Henry's. Finally, although it's
only tangentally Henry's music, I am extremely fond of WORLD OUT OF
TIME VOL. 1 (Shanachie), the first of the Kaiser/David Lindley albums
recorded in Madagascar. Those who love it are encouraged to hear
the subsequent two volumes, but the first is plenty for the casual fan.
There is some interesting music in the Kaiser/Lindley albums from
Norway, THE SWEET SUNNY NORTH v. 1 & 2, but not much playing from
Henry.
Steve Smith
(not in any way associated with Shanachie's publicity department)
ssmith@kochint.com
------------------------------
From: Seth Gordon <killick@connix.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:27:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Henry Kaiser
Kaiser's work falls into two main categories- His avant-garde stuff and
a host of more rock-n-roll oriented matierial. For the more experimental
works, I'd recommend starting with "The Five Heavenly Truths" on FOT
records, or "Lemon Fish Tweezer" on Cunieform if you just want solo
guitar improvs. In his "rock star guitar god" style, I'd go for "Those
who know History are Doomed to Repeat It" on SST- get the CD, it has
bonus tracks. The album consists mostly of Grateful Dead and Captain
Beefheart covers, with a couple oddities like the "Theme from the Andy
Griffith Show" thrown in for good fun. His guitar work is MIND-NUMBING
on this album. And what a band! Joey Baron on the drums, Hank Roberts on
the cello, and so many more I'm not even going to bother listing them.
The 40+ minute version of "Dark Star" is one of the spookiest songs I
own, and it never fails to give Dead-heads a good scare!
-Seth Gordon
------------------------------
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:37:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Trespass
At 05:24 PM 11/18/96 +1100, James Douglas Knox wrote:
>Oh, unnh, this one is a bit more embarassing; leastways for me. Mr Roussel
>kindly thanks me in the new zorn discography for mailing re: Filmworks 2
>(Zorn had been commissioned to do the score, but those inexorable
>MCA studio execs baulked, and got Ry Cooder to come up with his own
>perfectly competent but somewhat lesser alternative).
"Lesser" in what sense?
Or are we only allowed to pray to one god here?
Jeff Spirer
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
Axiom Records/Material Communications
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:40:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Henry Kaiser
> I'd recommend starting with "The Five Heavenly Truths" on FOT
> records, or "Lemon Fish Tweezer" on Cunieform if you just want solo
> guitar improvs.
Aw, geez. Seth has just pointed out the error in my Kaiser post.
Cuneiform is most certainly not defunct. I was in fact thinking of THE
FIVE HEAVENLY TRUTHS on FOT. I tend to lump those two records together,
they "feel" similar to me and are both recommended.
Steve Smith
ssmith@kochint.com
------------------------------
From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:38:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 11/15/96
Hello all in Zornland-
Ok, so those who saw the maritime hall masada show must have noticed
this-
Joey Baron...World's HAPPIEST Drummer!!!!!
Josh Martin
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:45:36 -0800
Subject: Re: What is Bible Launcher?
On Mon Nov 18 09:49 GMT 1996 "Newcombe, Andrew" wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me anything about Bible Launcher? Who plays on the CD?
> What sort of Music is it ? Any reviews?
Hooker 99 is the only name I recognized. It is a really twisted record
that should appeal to Mr Bungle's audience (not straight rock, fairly
theatrical, unpredictable, irreverentious, etc).
As far as I know, the record has been removed from stores. The record
should be reissued next year after cutting some parts (to avoid some
possible lawsuits).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:11:50 +0100 (MET)
Subject: West coast Masada
Who plays in the west coast Masada?
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:28:06 -0800
Subject: Re: West coast Masada
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:11:50 +0100 (MET) Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
> Who plays in the west coast Masada?
Ben Goldberg (cl), Trevor Dunn (b), Kenny Wollesen (dr).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:27:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Adress
Actualy, i remember hearing on this list that there's only going to be 2
hours of music on the whole thing...
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote:
> it sounds like about 3 months of cd after cd without leaving the room.
> If someone listens to it all in less than six months, I don't know
> whether to be impressed, or feel really, REALLY bad for them.
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
>
> > So there actually is such a thing as a 150 cd box set of Zorn and Eye?
> > What's that sound like?
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is that for real? What the fuck is that? You're joking right? I don't get it.
> > >
> > > I'm not joking, I just didn't make my point very clear. I ordered "Live
> > > In China" from Sound Factory, but lost their adress. So I was hoping that
> > > somebody on the Zorn list might know what it is...
> > >
> > > Jonas
> > >
> >
>
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:37:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Naked City as Purgative
> As for M.G.H.Z.A., my friend Mark's ex actually vomited listening to Naked
> City. They were on a car trip and she said all that sudden " awfulstopping
> and starting" gave her vertigo and she puked. Damn!
Did you keep it and send some to John Zorn? I'd treasure it, if i were
him - you can't more harcore than that ;)
- -jascha
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:45:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ultra-hip super 90's wired cyber-Masada for the information age?
>
> anyway! the Masada show in SF (11/15) was
> astounding. was the multimedia barrage
> something that Zorn wanted or normal fare
> for the Maritime Hall?
eh? What did the barrage consist of, i'm really curious. The two shows
i saw last year at the knit were just four guys playing some of the best
music in the cosmos - very simple. I'd have an extremmely hard time
imagining a multimedia barrage that wasn't somehow annoying to music
fans, although i'm willing to admit that it could happen. Did it work?
- -jascha
------------------------------
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