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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #28
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zorn-list Digest Sunday, 17 November 1996 Volume 02 : Number 028
In this issue:
Re: Adress
Re: Masada-like recommendations?
post Masada in Boston
Re: Adress
Re: Adress
Re: _Live In China_ set
Re: Adress
Tzadik Adress
Christian Marclay retro
M.G.H.Z.A.
Re: M.G.H.Z.A., Blegvad
Re: Adress
new Tzadiks, Masada 7, Bailey's jungle record
Robert Cahen's "La 2eme Jour" film
Re: Adress
Re: Adress
Re: zorn's music
Re: M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
The Big Gundown(film)
japanese noise, etc for sale
Re: Steve Beresford
Re: zorn's music
Henry Kaiser
ducret,robertson...
Re: Henry Kaiser
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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:10:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Adress
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:04:57 +0100 (MET) Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
> Hey,
> I've ordered the Zorn/Eye "Live In China" 100 cd box, and now I would
> like to pay for it but I have lost the adress. To what adress do I send
> my 250 dollars?
Sound Factory Records
3/F, Seaview Centre
139-141 Hoi Bun Road
Kwun Tong, Kowloon
Hong Kong
Tel: (852) 2345 8678
Fax: (852) 2763 5755
e-mail: sfactory@speednet.net
Do not forget to send me its detailed description :-).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:40:25 -0800
Subject: Re: Masada-like recommendations?
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:55:58 -0500 Seth Gordon wrote:
>
> All of the Masada albums are worth getting. Book of Heads is more of an
> experimental guitar album- no heavy klezmer here. Kristallnacht is
> pretty excellent. It's a very angry album. Sort of an Industrial /
> Judaica / Noise combo. Greenwich Village? I've always thought Other was
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Always? I thought the store opened few months ago...
> the best, but check out Mondo Kim's on St. Mark's Place, too. Odds are
> whatever you're looking for in the avant-garde you'll find at one of the
> two stores. Of all the Kim's in New York it's Mondo that has the best
> music selection, though sometimes you might want to stop by Kim's
> Underground, too.
With the following one, the list is complete:
Downtown Music Gallery
211 East 5th Street
New York, NY 10003
Tel: (212) 473-0043
Fax: Fax (212) 533-5059
e-mail: DMG@PANIX.COM
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:45:14 -0500
Subject: post Masada in Boston
Hi all ~
Masada put on an excellent show at the ICA the other night -- and my girl
friend enjoyed it as well (at only point she lean over and mention
similarities between Zorn's playing and a dying ostrich.) Now if only I
was prepared for that long hair he was sporting...
My own introduction to Zorn was through the self titled Naked City album,
which remains a favorite among favorites. As a result I hunted down all
Frisell and Horowitz discs I could.
chow4now
(fellow stamp collector) Bob
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:32:19 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Adress
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
> Is that for real? What the fuck is that? You're joking right? I don't get it.
I'm not joking, I just didn't make my point very clear. I ordered "Live
In China" from Sound Factory, but lost their adress. So I was hoping that
somebody on the Zorn list might know what it is...
Jonas
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:15:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Adress
So there actually is such a thing as a 150 cd box set of Zorn and Eye?
What's that sound like?
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
>
> > Is that for real? What the fuck is that? You're joking right? I don't get it.
>
> I'm not joking, I just didn't make my point very clear. I ordered "Live
> In China" from Sound Factory, but lost their adress. So I was hoping that
> somebody on the Zorn list might know what it is...
>
> Jonas
>
------------------------------
From: Brian Beuchaw <beuchaw@interaccess.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:18:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: _Live In China_ set
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:04:57 +0100 (MET) Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> > I've ordered the Zorn/Eye "Live In China" 100 cd box, and now I would
> > like to pay for it but I have lost the adress. To what adress do I send
> > my 250 dollars?
>
> Sound Factory Records
> 3/F, Seaview Centre
> 139-141 Hoi Bun Road
> Kwun Tong, Kowloon
> Hong Kong
>
> Tel: (852) 2345 8678
> Fax: (852) 2763 5755
> e-mail: sfactory@speednet.net
>
> Do not forget to send me its detailed description :-).
>
> Patrice.
I second the opinion that "it was postponed" - last I heard, I got an
email from the Sound Factory guy (reproduced below) that it was not gonna
be out soon. If anybody *really* gets it, let us know.... Guess I should
email Sound Factory again to see if it's really out.....
cya
brian
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Here's the msg I got from SF.....
From sfactory@speednet.net Fri Nov 15 16:17:39 1996
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:31:22 +-800
From: SOUND FACTORY <sfactory@speednet.net>
To: 'Brian Beuchaw' <beuchaw@interaccess.com>
Subject: Zorn / Eye 100CDs set info
Dear Brian,
With regard to the Zorn / Eye CD set, i regret to inform you that this
project has now been postponed until further notice; probably early next
spring. Anyway, i'll keep you posted on the progress. Lastly, i would
like to thank you for your interest and support on this project.
Best regards,
CORY LI
------------------------------
From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:59:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Adress
it sounds like about 3 months of cd after cd without leaving the room.
If someone listens to it all in less than six months, I don't know
whether to be impressed, or feel really, REALLY bad for them.
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
> So there actually is such a thing as a 150 cd box set of Zorn and Eye?
> What's that sound like?
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
> >
> > > Is that for real? What the fuck is that? You're joking right? I don't get it.
> >
> > I'm not joking, I just didn't make my point very clear. I ordered "Live
> > In China" from Sound Factory, but lost their adress. So I was hoping that
> > somebody on the Zorn list might know what it is...
> >
> > Jonas
> >
>
------------------------------
From: "Aaron J. Rabushka" <arabushk@mail.coin.missouri.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:39:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Tzadik Adress
Does anybody have the snail-mail address for the Tzadik operation?
Aaron J. Rabushka
arabushk@mail.coin.missouri.edu
------------------------------
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:04:35 -0500
Subject: Christian Marclay retro
There's a listing in the new issue of ICE for a Christian Marclay album
called "Works 81-85" to be released by Touch & Go at an unspecified date.
Anybody know anything about this? (T&G are also doing a God Is My Co-Pilot
best-of and an album from the Vandermark Five.)
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
------------------------------
From: BIRD BRAIN <BIRD_BRAIN@wow.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:53:44 -0500
Subject: M.G.H.Z.A.
Exercising to Locus Solus, Mr. Hamilton? Sure beats sweatin' to the oldies
I guess.
------------------------------
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 01:36:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: M.G.H.Z.A., Blegvad
Yep, it always gets my heart rate going when Blegvad yelps "What is there
like a prick?" at the beginning of track 2. Speaking of which (he says,
slyly diverting attention away from his own extremely eccentric behavior),
does anyone know what Mr. Blegvad is up to these days?
Chris
Chris Hamilton
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA
USA
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, BIRD BRAIN wrote:
> Exercising to Locus Solus, Mr. Hamilton? Sure beats sweatin' to the oldies
> I guess.
>
------------------------------
From: Brian Beuchaw <beuchaw@interaccess.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:56:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Adress
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote:
> it sounds like about 3 months of cd after cd without leaving the room.
> If someone listens to it all in less than six months, I don't know
> whether to be impressed, or feel really, REALLY bad for them.
>
>
> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
>
> > So there actually is such a thing as a 150 cd box set of Zorn and Eye?
> > What's that sound like?
Actually, it's *100* CDs, not 150, and from what Sound Factory told me,
the running times of each CD vary from about 1 minute to full-length
(about 80 minutes), so I dunno how long the set actually is, but prob'ly
not anywhere near 100+ hours.....
cya
brian
------------------------------
From: JonAbbey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:46:04 -0500
Subject: new Tzadiks, Masada 7, Bailey's jungle record
Consumer buying tip: for those of you living in and about NYC, the Knitting
Factory has copies of the new Tzadik CDs (well, the two Zorn releases anyway,
not sure about the others), Masada 7 on DIW, and the Derek Bailey jungle
record on Avant.
Jon
------------------------------
From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:37:27 +0100
Subject: Robert Cahen's "La 2eme Jour" film
Few days ago I received a film (videoclip?) made by Robert Cahen titled
"La 2eme Jour" for John Zorn's "Hommage a GODARD" music. It's only 9 min
long but really unusual and fantastic. Does anybody know something more
about it?
Marcin Witkowski
------------------------------
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:05:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Adress
> Actually, it's *100* CDs, not 150, and from what Sound Factory told me,
> the running times of each CD vary from about 1 minute to full-length
> (about 80 minutes), so I dunno how long the set actually is, but prob'ly
> not anywhere near 100+ hours.....
>
i heard that one (or some) of the discs is (are) as short as 3 seconds.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: N Vassiliou <nv102@york.ac.uk>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:42:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Adress
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, john shiurba wrote:
> > Actually, it's *100* CDs, not 150, and from what Sound Factory told me,
> > the running times of each CD vary from about 1 minute to full-length
> > (about 80 minutes), so I dunno how long the set actually is, but prob'ly
> > not anywhere near 100+ hours.....
> >
> i heard that one (or some) of the discs is (are) as short as 3 seconds.
wow,that's so hip man..... so .. avantgarde...
N.Vassiliou
"play some music please"
York,UK
------------------------------
From: "Mason Wendell" <prelapse@pop.tiac.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:07:08 +0000
Subject: Re: zorn's music
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:34:38 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
> To: zorn list <zorn-list@xmission.com>
> Subject: zorn's music
I did a half-hour presentation of Zorn's music as a final project at school
last summer. I did my best to cover the widest range of his stuff and
still come away with some kind of sense of a "central zorn theme." I
don't know how successful I was, (I would have preferred an hour) but
I think I expanded a few people's views of how one person can stretch
himself musically.
Anyway, my point. After much deliberation, I decided that the best
intro to my tape would be the first minute of "Classic Guide to
Strategy"- some amazing squawks, etc. It's the most common type of
sound in his music. And you might as well get it out of the way when
introducing his music. If someone can't deal with some screaming then
you should probably keep Zorn far away from this person.
Mason
************************************************************
* Mason Wendell *
* bassist\composer *
*Prelapse- Naked City's music & new music for loud ensemble*
* http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/mwendell.html *
************************************************************
------------------------------
From: Justin Morrison <justinm@pathcom.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:55:45 -0800
Subject: Re: M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
Hmm.. the first time my last girlfriend heard me listening to Zorn, she
loved it. I never thought about this before, but she did "downsize" me
about the time she had taped most of my Zorn CDs. Of course, her CD
collection housed the Ex/Tom Cora albums, which are currently with me.
Heh, heh.
- -J
------------------------------
From: N Vassiliou <nv102@york.ac.uk>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:23:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: The Big Gundown(film)
Could the film "The Big Gundown" be also called "The Big
Silence"?Although,it is also from the same era(1968), directed by Sergio
Corbucci and with music by Ennio Moricone, I could not find anything
relating the film to the title "The Big Gundown". Has the title changed?Is
it not the same film? Does anybody know anything about it? BBC1(UK) is
showing it tonight at 12.10 if anybody's interested.
Thanks
N.Vassiliou
York,Uk
------------------------------
From: Robert Pleshar <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 11:30:13 CST
Subject: japanese noise, etc for sale
pardon the commercial intrusion, but some of you may be interested in a
message I just sent to rec.music.marketplace.vinyl. I am auctioning off a lot
of Japanese stuff like Hanatarash, Null, ANP, and some other noise and
experimental records.
If you want me to send thelist directly to you, just let me know.
Thanks, Rob Pleshar
rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu
------------------------------
From: xander@sirius.com
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:34:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Steve Beresford
>> Anybody know anything about this guy, more specifically his album "Signals
>> for Tea"? That record features Beresford on piano and vocals, as well as
>> Zorn, Douglas, Cohen, and Wollesen. Looks amusing to say the least, Zorn
>> and friends are all listed on 'backing vocals' as well as their respective
>> instruments. Thanks all. Later...
I like this record a lot, but other than the often wistful lyrics, it's
very swinging upbeat jazz, so beware. Also, the backing vocals only come
in to play on a couple of tracks.
I thought I read something here the other day about Beresford's new album
for Tzadik being available at Masada shows. Anyone know anything about it?
Cheers,
Alexander
------------------------------
From: silver whale <tkorpipa@siba.fi>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:26:26 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: Re: zorn's music
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, N Vassiliou wrote:
> > > I don't know. My intro to zorn was a tape with Torture garden & Guts of
> > > a virgin (painkiller) on it. I was pretty much hooked.
>
> I'd agree with most people that The Big Gundown is the best introduction.
> I think most of the covers from Naked City (James Bond, Cicilian Clan)
> will also be appropriate although most of the LP probably is not....
Emmm, one of the first Zorn(-related) records was actually the first
Naked City and I loved it! Just the whole record. As an introduction the
NC albums or Big Countdown could be quite good, because a) they present
quite extreme elements of Zorn's music (love those sqweeks... :) but b)
they do it in an entertaining way, so it is easy to 'get in'. The Big
Gundown is also great because it has incredible array of great players on
it (F.Frith, C.Marclay, D.Galas... what other record has a line-up like
that?) On the other hand, Zorn doesn't play that much on BG, hmmm...
Of course this whole 'introduction' business is a higly personal issue...
Someone who is usually into noise-rock propably has more appetite for
Painkiller than Masada...
teemu
- -------------
e-mail: tkorpipa@siba.fi "There was coffee. Life would go on."
Ruumen homepage: William Gibson:'The Winter Market'
http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 13:40:45 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Henry Kaiser
The Henry Kaiser guitar solo on "State of the Union" is great... Which of
his cds are recommended? I have no idea were to start...
Jonas
------------------------------
From: h davies <s.wilkie@swan.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:52:05 -0800
Subject: ducret,robertson...
ducret plays acoustic guitar on louis sclavis''acoustic quartet'(ecm).
Has anyone got info. on the new Herb Robertson cd 'sound implosions'(cimp
110)- i think it's a trio?( is he on anything else since 'certified'?
)any info. on ellery eskelin's 'the sun died'(with ribot/wollenson?)or a
mark feldman cd 'chromatic persuaders'?
------------------------------
From: silver whale <tkorpipa@siba.fi>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:40:38 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: Re: Henry Kaiser
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> The Henry Kaiser guitar solo on "State of the Union" is great... Which of
> his cds are recommended? I have no idea were to start...
> Jonas
^^^^^ (?? It says 'Torsten' above ... just wonderin'...)
Kaiser has been on quite a 'few' records... I saw a selected(!) discography
once that contained some 40-50 records, and this was back in '87 or
something! Most of them are hard-to-come-by and were released via
obscure, small labels (biiig suprise here... :)
Anyway, my favourites: Crazy Backwards Alphabet, which is a more
rock-orientated project... Somewhat (in)famous for the almost-perfect
xerox-cover of a ZZ Top standard (what I of corse can't remember right
now, dang!), perfect apart from the vocal, what is translated (or
'translated', I don't know... :) to russian... What propably describes
the overal vibe quite well: Zany musicians havin' fun... It's great.
[an afterthought: is it 'La Grande'?]
His solo acoustic (or just solo?) record, quite recent (95?). I can't
remember the name again (what have I been eating lately?), but it's lemon
tweezer something... I don't own this myself but it is very funny and weird.
All (both?) the French-Frith-Kaiser-Thompson records. More nice music in
the CBA vein: Crazy covers, some good original material and great, great,
great guitar playing...
If you can find them, the older records with the good ol' Eugene
Chadbourne are highly amusing and uncompromising affairs... Someone
described them sounding as "two or more men fighting in a studio full of
toys and misc. percussion 'instruments' and occasionally bumb eachover in
the guitar(s) lying around" or something. I can't put it better :)
teemu
- -------------
e-mail: tkorpipa@siba.fi "There was coffee. Life would go on."
Ruumen homepage: William Gibson:'The Winter Market'
http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html
------------------------------
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