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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #27
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zorn-list Digest Friday, 15 November 1996 Volume 02 : Number 027
In this issue:
Re: word on Bar Kochba
M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
Yankees
Re: M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
Re: Masada-like recommendations?
Adress
rodan cd
Re: rodan cd
Re: zorn's music
Re: Adress
Marc Ducret recommendations
Masada live CD
Re: Steve Beresford
Re: Masada-like recommendations?
masada 11/14 Columbus
Re: grand guignol interpretations
Re: grand guignol interpretations
Re: silly technical question/s..
Re: Adress
Re: Adress
Re: Marc Ducret recommendations
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #26 (Debussy/ G.Guignol)
Re: rodan cd
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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:30:44 -0800
Subject: Re: word on Bar Kochba
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:38:35 -0500 Mark Perlson wrote:
>
> The word on the double Masada CD:
>
> One song on the second CD will be changed. It is the same song (so the
> artwork will be the same) although there will be a different version of it
> or something.
Are you not thinking about... BIBLE LAUNCHER. Never heard about a second
(different) pressing of BAR KOKHBA.
Any infos on the Japanese Third Person (saw it at the KF and stupidly
forgot to buy it :-(.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: BIRD BRAIN <BIRD_BRAIN@wow.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:07:39 -0500
Subject: M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
Hey Bob,
I've never been to a record swap meet full of stamp collectors, so I don't know
what you mean. Anyway, I know how ya feel. The only Zorn my girlfriend
likes is the 'Chinatown" cut on the Naked City album. She loves Bar Kokhba
though - have you tried that? I think she'd like the stuff live though 'cause
she usually does. She never liked David Murray 'til I took her to seem him in
Boulder a few months ago. But I'm not taking any chances for the Masada
show - leaving her home so my buddies and I can enjoy th music we've been
waiting years to hear live.
BTW are you the guy in the beer commercial who is accused by the drill sergeant of leaving beer in the barracks?
Kevin Kobielusz
------------------------------
From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:25:03 -0700
Subject: Yankees
pardon my spelling....is this album still in print?
thanks,
david
O O O O O O
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"can you point out the man who robbed you?"
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From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:32:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: M.G.H.Z.A. - My Girlfriend Hates Zorn Anonymous
I don't have much advice here, but I do have a story. An ex-girlfriend of
mine once burst in on me with a concerned look on her face while I was
exercising to _Locus Solus_. "Oh my God," she said, "it sounds like
they're torturing their instruments!"
Actually, a few months later she was in the UK without me and calling
me excitedly after checking out Company Week on her own. But I have no
idea how I brought her around. It must have been love.
Chris Hamilton
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA
USA
------------------------------
From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:11:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Masada-like recommendations?
Hello. "Book of Heads" are 32 etudes composed by John Zorn and performed
by Marc Ribot for solo guitar. There are sounds on this album that you
never thought a guitar could make. If you are a technical guitar freak,
then this is for you. In comparison to the solo guitar tracks on "Bar
Kokhba" they are completely different. Same dude playing, same dude com-
posing, but a different stlye of music. I wish I could say more, but I
wouldn't be able to do it the proper justice.
"Kristallnacht" is part of John Zorn's "Radical Jewish Culture" concept.
Although it sounds nothing like "Masada" or "Bar Kokhba" it can be class-
ified in the same area. Overall it is a great record. Like all of his
work, it strikes up many emotions. Musically it is dark and passonate. John Zorn does not play
on it. I don't know if you have heard "Elegy" or not, but it has some
similarties. If you haven't heard "Elegy" just get it. It makes me smile.
It is the only record I'm scared to listen to at night sometimes. So
either it is really scarey or I'm a total puss.
"Masada". I think you should get all of them if you can. My favorites
are one and three. There is a live "Masada" album out. I don't have it with
me right now, but the label is out of New York. Write later if you are
interested and I can get it for you. In fact, I almost like the live one
the best because the improvisation in incredible. I hope I answered your
questions. When in doubt, grab your sack and yell at the top of your lungs
"My balls are humungus. They weigh twenty pounds. I like to rest them on
my feet!!!"
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Aaron Hertzmann wrote:
> Hello -
>
> I was really blown away by the Bar Kokhba concert at the Knitting Factory,
> and the CD is great too; I'm especially fond of the guitar tracks, like
> "Mahlah." Can someone reccomend similar recordings? How are
> "Kristallnacht" and "The Book of Heads"? I've also got "Gimel," and I
> generally enjoy the faster tracks; which of the Masada recordings do you
> recommend?
>
> Also, can you recommend good record stores in Greenwich Village? I just
> moved here from Houston, TX two months ago. So far, I've found Other
> Music (and, of course, Tower.)
>
> Aaron
>
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:04:57 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Adress
Hey,
I've ordered the Zorn/Eye "Live In China" 100 cd box, and now I would
like to pay for it but I have lost the adress. To what adress do I send
my 250 dollars?
Thanks!
------------------------------
From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:03:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: rodan cd
I am writing for infromation on the John Zorn cd "Rodan".
Specifically, whether it is still in print (I believe that it is on the
the Swiss(?) label, Hat Hut) and if so, what it is like? Also are the live
"Masadas" still going to come out on the Tzdik label. And, is Naked City
ever going to do any more albums?
------------------------------
From: Nonomura Yoshihiko <nono@shpa.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 16:39:03 +0900
Subject: Re: rodan cd
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:03:03 -0800 (PST)
>From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU
Message-Id: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.961114225726.574800264A-100000@SONOMA.EDU>
> I am writing for infromation on the John Zorn cd "Rodan".
> Specifically, whether it is still in print (I believe that it is
> on the the Swiss(?) label, Hat Hut) and if so, what it is like?
At first, this is an album of Sato Michihiro, a Japanese
Tsugaru-Shamisen player. John just produced this album.
He never played in it. All he did there was to choose
musicians for collaboration with Mr.SM. Here Sato did
not fight with Fred Frith, Steve Coleman or Christian
Marclay---he just juxtaposed/transformed their music.
Totally, very nice album. Yes, still available on hat
hut---a Swiss label on which JZ's "News for LULU" and
"Cobra" were released.
> Also are the live "Masadas" still
> going to come out on the Tzdik label.
??? I got it a few month ago....
- --
Y.Nonomura
------------------------------
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:47:34 -0800
Subject: Re: zorn's music
At 11:43 AM 11/13/96 -0800, Steve Smith wrote:
>... for everybody except for the dweebs and mooks currently declaring
>Ornette Coleman a fraud and a sham on rec.music.bluenote...
Which is yet another validation for my refusal to bother with that newsgroup.
There seems to be an effort on rmb to declare a lot of great musicians as
worthless. I quit after reading some idiot say he could teach any teenager
to play like Sonny Sharrock.
Jeff Spirer
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
Axiom Records/Material Communications
------------------------------
From: silver whale <tkorpipa@siba.fi>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:13:09 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: Re: Adress
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> Hey,
> I've ordered the Zorn/Eye "Live In China" 100 cd box, and now I would=20
> like to pay for it but I have lost the adress. To what adress do I send=
=20
> my 250 dollars?
>=20
> Thanks!
Wasn=ABt the release postponed somewhere in near future (=AB97?)
teemu
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e-mail: tkorpipa@siba.fi "There was coffee. Life would go on."
Ruumen homepage: William Gibson:'The Winter Market'
http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html
------------------------------
From: Mr R Teh <richie@fawlty13.eng.monash.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:46:52 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Marc Ducret recommendations
Hi all,
Recently I've began appreciating the guitar playing on Marc Ducret
who holds down the guitar for Tim Berne's Caos Totale and also
Tim Berne's Bloodcount. I was especially taken in by his superb
playing on Berne's Caos Totale album "Pace Yourself", especially
on the second last track (and lengthiest one) "the legend of P-I"
which is 26:21 mins. This tune goes from quiet duck-calls, whistle
moment with minimum Japanese-styled drums, to ensemble out-jazz to
weird blues. My fav is the weird blues moment of this tune. What I
meant by weird blues is that, they band are playing in a slow bluesy
tempo, but everyone seems to be playing the wrong thing, i.e. not
exactly blues. During this passage, Marc did a fantastic non-blues
solo, trying to sound bluesy but totally out!! I'm really impressed by
it.
Anyways, if anyone has any good recommendations on this guitarist,
please do share them with me. I current own 2 albums with Ducret on
it Tim Berne's Caos Totale "Pace Yourself" and Tim Berne's Bloodcount
"Memory Select".
Thanks all
Regards,
Richie Teh
Maintainer of Drumnet
http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet
Email: richie@c031.aone.net.au or drumnet@clearview.com.au
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infor :-)
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Amazing! Starts 21st Oct 96
------------------------------
From: Mr R Teh <richie@fawlty13.eng.monash.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:49:50 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Masada live CD
>> Also are the live "Masadas" still
>> going to come out on the Tzdik label.
>??? I got it a few month ago....
>--
> Y.Nonomura
Hang on, are you refering to the Jazz Door release or is this a
completely new live release on Tzadik?
Regards,
Richie Teh
Maintainer of Drumnet
http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet
Email: richie@c031.aone.net.au or drumnet@clearview.com.au
*Want to display an Advertisment Banner on DrumNet, email for more
infor :-)
** New contest on DrumNet. All you have to do is fill in the
survey and be in the running for 3 CDs!!! Yes, 3 CDs!!!
Amazing! Starts 21st Oct 96
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:48:56 -0800
Subject: Re: Steve Beresford
Tom Benton wrote:
>
> Anybody know anything about this guy, more specifically his album "Signals
> for Tea"? That record features Beresford on piano and vocals, as well as
> Zorn, Douglas, Cohen, and Wollesen. Looks amusing to say the least, Zorn
> and friends are all listed on 'backing vocals' as well as their respective
> instruments. Thanks all. Later...
>
> -Tom-
It's cocktail lounge music, pure and simple. Very droll and witty,
very little of what you expect from Zorn (or even Beresford, who
elsewhere is quite the formidable improvisor). I know numerous
folks who can't stand it; personally I think it's swanky.
Steve Smith
ssmith@kochint.com
------------------------------
From: Seth Gordon <killick@connix.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:55:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Masada-like recommendations?
All of the Masada albums are worth getting. Book of Heads is more of an
experimental guitar album- no heavy klezmer here. Kristallnacht is
pretty excellent. It's a very angry album. Sort of an Industrial /
Judaica / Noise combo. Greenwich Village? I've always thought Other was
the best, but check out Mondo Kim's on St. Mark's Place, too. Odds are
whatever you're looking for in the avant-garde you'll find at one of the
two stores. Of all the Kim's in New York it's Mondo that has the best
music selection, though sometimes you might want to stop by Kim's
Underground, too.
------------------------------
From: Mark Corroto <mcorroto@alumni.ysu.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:59:26 -0500
Subject: masada 11/14 Columbus
saw the first set of Masada at the Wexner art center
Ohio State University (oh yeah the one with the undefeated
football team) last night
yes Greg Cohen was the bassist
a bit strange affair, no one clapped as they took the stage,
they proceded to discuss for what seemed like an eternity
whether to play the scheduled opener cuz, i figured the crowd
was full of grey hairs (probably elder jewish folk)
zorn said "fuck it" and they tore into an Ornette tune.
wow the jewish vwersion of 1959 Ornette Coleman. COOL
they followed with all masada stuff, the crowd gave only one
ovation, that was to Joey baron for a thunderous drum solo
otherwise the crowd kinda was taken back by these NICE YOUNG MEN
and their music........some kids in the back hooted for Naked City
covers
Cohen, and Douglas NEVER looked up
Zorn did once to introduce the band
did the music cook? swing?
sometimes, the band seemed tenative...I'll blame it on first set jitters
or is it just prepublicity drawing a uninformed crowd?
The 7 or so people I taked to never heard a Masada tune
others were crazed Naked City fans that didnt' know Ornette
Coleman from Coleman Hawkins
Mark Corroto
SoS Jazz
------------------------------
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:05:20 -0400
Subject: Re: grand guignol interpretations
At 9:16 PM 11/14/96, slawlor wrote:
>Hi there. Just out of curiosity, what does grand guignol mean if
>anything at all? Zorn has some pretty strange titles for some of his
>releases and I wonder what the titles mean? Thanks for the information.
The "Grand Guignol" was a popular form of entertainment in Paris at the
turn of the century - sort of the morbid equivalent to the British paying
admission to visit Bedlam. Essentially, it was a live horror show. Here's
the liner notes from the CD:
Decades before our modern tradition of Splatter films, The Grand Guignol
served up torture, incest, blood lust, insanity, mutilation and death to
generations of fervid spectators. But the Grand Guignol is not simply the
theater of horror that shocked Paris for 65 years from 1897 to 1962. It is
the celebration of the darker side of our existence. It has always been
with us. It will always be. Throughout history Artists have been obsessed
with humanity's Taboos and Phobias. Aristotle, Aeschylus, Shakespeare,
Sade, Goya, Poe, Dali, Bataille, Hitchcock, Irving Klaw, Bacon, Dan
Oniroku, H.G. Lewis, Hermann Nitsch, Carcass. Our fascination with Fear,
Terror and Evil, like Death itself, knows no racial, cultural or religious
barriers. It resides in our collective unconscious, binding us together
with ropes we try, but are ultimately unable to sever. Only through violent
trauma, or the convulsive viscera of artistic vision does it rise to the
surface, reminding us that is has, in truth, been there all along.
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From: Seth Gordon <killick@connix.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:03:22 -0500
Subject: Re: grand guignol interpretations
The Grand Guignol was a sort of "atrocity theatre" in which painful and
disturbing acts were enacted on stage for your viewing pleasure. Kind of
a 19th century (or was it 18th?) "Faces of Death". See the movie
"Bloodsucking Freaks" for a general idea.
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:14:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: silly technical question/s..
I've got an old 1988 (wow! Imagine what it must have been like to live
back then!) Down Beat (which of course I stole from school, as I would
never pay for such rectal dribble) and there's a Zorn interview which
lists his shit thusly:
"John Zorn's alto sax is a mid-60's Selmer Mark VI; he has two
setups for it. The first uses a #6M Dukoff metal mouthpiece and a Van
Doren #2 reed. The second uses an old metal Brillheart mouthpiece with a
Rico reed."
Trust me though David Rothbaum, no point in spending 100$ on a Dukoff
when there's nothing on this earth can beat the godly whistle of a fine
12$ Rico Royal. Ah, it makes me weep but to think of it!
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, david m rothbaum wrote:
> does anyone know the brand of instrument mr. zorn uses? i belive his alto
> is an old selmer but i wanted to know might there be more than one
> instrument he normally uses? and maybe what clarinet he uses? and also
> what brand of reed? strenth? does he make his own? etc.
>
> this may be a real strech but i know zorn veiws the studio as an instrument
> itself and id venture a guess that he is well aquainted with the technical
> aspects of working in the studio. does he have a home studio of any sort?
> what preferences he has for mikes, effects, recording equipment etc? he
> seems to be incorporating the synclaviar recently and seeminly midi as well
> (film works II) though that is a guess. does he turn the knobs himself?
>
> any info on this would be great as well as some other thoughts on the matter.
>
> david
>
> O O O O O O
> -|- -|- -|- -|- -|- -|-
> / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \
>
> "can you point out the man who robbed you?"
>
>
>
>
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From: Seth Gordon <killick@connix.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:18:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Adress
Send the $250 to: Seth Gordon Imports, 44 Franklin St. Apt. 4, New
London CT, 06320, USA. Make checks payable to Seth Gordon. Please do not
send cash in the US mail.
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:16:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Adress
Is that for real? What the fuck is that? You're joking right? I don't get it.
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
> Hey,
> I've ordered the Zorn/Eye "Live In China" 100 cd box, and now I would
> like to pay for it but I have lost the adress. To what adress do I send
> my 250 dollars?
>
> Thanks!
>
------------------------------
From: Seth Gordon <killick@connix.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:32:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Marc Ducret recommendations
Marc Ducret surely is one of the most amazing guitarists working, and
his work with Tim Berne is exceptional. He has a couple of solo albums,
but first I'd recommend going with some more Berne: I'd start with
"Diminutive Mysteries"- a collaboration with Julius Hemphill featuring
David Sanborn(!?) of all people. The Caos Totale band's "Nice View" is
pretty excellent, and the album starts with an incredible Ducret solo.
After that, the other two Bloodcount albums, and "Fractured Fairy Tales"
pretty much rounds out the Ducret years-to-date with Berne. I might have
forgotten one or two, but those are the stand-out ones.
It may still be available in Europe, but I know it's out of print in
America: Tim Berne's "Fulton St. Maul"- With Frisell, not Ducret, but
some of the best work I've heard Bill F. do and one of the best TB
albums.
Ducret's solo albums are alot more "in" than his work with TB. Good
stuff, though he tends to push the boundaries more when he's with Berne.
His solo albums are both (I believe) pre-dating his Berne years, so I
imagine his style has just changed alot.
Seth Gordon
------------------------------
From: Nathaniel Dorward <ndorward@is2.dal.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:02:59 -0400 (AST)
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #26 (Debussy/ G.Guignol)
The orchestration of "The Sunken Cathedral" was originally Ravel's, I
believe. I'll add my vote: _Grand Guignol_ is a great album: I don't care
much for the 17-minute title track, but the rest is prime Zorn (I even
like the version of Messiaen's "Louange" better than my recording of the
original version!). --N
*
Nate Dorward (ndorward@is2.dal.ca)
website: http://is2.dal.ca/~ndorward/
*
...Cambridge, where
chthonic severance dictates endless toil.
--Peter Riley, _Alstonefield_
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:07:49 -0800
Subject: Re: rodan cd
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:03:03 -0800 (PST) martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote:
>
> I am writing for infromation on the John Zorn cd "Rodan".
It is a record by Sato Michihiro, with no appearance of Zorn on it (he
only produced it).
Few months ago, one Tower Records here (Portland, OR) had two copies that
they were desesperate to sell...
> Specifically, whether it is still in print (I believe that it is on the
> the Swiss(?) label, Hat Hut) and if so, what it is like? Also are the live
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think it is out of print but it is not yet a collector item. Meaning:
you will find it, just a matter of months.
> "Masadas" still going to come out on the Tzdik label. And, is Naked City
> ever going to do any more albums?
Yes, there will be Masadas on Tzadik but my impression (after talking to
the persons running Tzadik), is that it is not at the top of their priority
list :-). The reason being, of couse, the DIW output (which should go up
to number 10).
Patrice.
------------------------------
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