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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #26
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zorn-list Digest Thursday, 14 November 1996 Volume 02 : Number 026
In this issue:
naked city questions
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: naked city questions
Great day at the record store
Re: Hellborg, Lane, Q-258
Re:Naked City Questions
Re: zorn's music
Re: Zorn's Labels?
silly technical question/s...
Re: zorn's music
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: zorn's music
Re: naked city
grand guignol interpretations
Re: Greetje Bijma
Re: zorn's music
Re: silly technical question/s...
Re: grand guignol interpretations
Masada-like recommendations?
Steve Beresford
Re: grand guignol interpretations
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From: slawlor <slawlor@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:48:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: naked city questions
Hi there. I saw "Grand guignol" by naked city on cdconnection and I was
wondering what it was like. The reviews of the other naked city disks
that I saw remind me that the content might be similar to zorn's naked
city release? Is this accurate?
Also, I think the review of radio by the same group said that it was
cover versions of other famous songs? Does anyone have a track list of
what songs are on this, and are they movie themes or jazz classics that
they perform or what? Thanks for the information.
scott K. Lawlor
3358 Prange Dr.
Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223
Phone, 330-922-4895
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:58:46 -0800
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:28:42 -0500 Seth Gordon wrote:
>
> Filworks III - VI are supposedly going to be out by next March. Tzadik
^^
This one is out (with volume V).
> is also releasing a new BURT BACHARACH album of Judaica. (Yes, THAT Burt
> Bacharach!). I don't know who's playing on it as of now. Masad Seven
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
Forgot the details but basically nobody from the NY downtown is missing
on it :-).
> (which would be "Zayin") I've never heard of, unless that's the "Masada
> Live" album that came out in Europe, which I don't have. Anyone know
^^^^
The Masada Live is a totally different record (one that Zorn did not
allow to released and that can be considered as bootleg).
> anything about that one?
>
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:01:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:41:08 +1100 (EST) Mr R Teh wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know when FWIII is coming out on Tzadik? I thought it was
> >already on Tzadik, but this may explain why the local record stores have
> been
> >scratching thier heads over my orders lately...
>
> According to the Tzadik homepage, the following will
> be released on the 19 Nov 1996. There's no mention of FWIII.
>
> Kletka Red: Hijacking --- Coming on November 19, 1996
> New Klezmer Trio: Masks and Faces --- Coming on November 19, 1996
> Jon: Smoke --- Coming on November 19, 1996
> John Zorn: Filmworks V: Tears of Ecstasy --- Coming on November 19, 1996
> John Zorn: Filmworks VI --- Coming on November 19, 1996
And do not forget:
CRONOLOGIA by Peter Scherer
CUE SHEETS by Steve Beresford
In fact, these seven records have been available for one month with the
Bar Kokhab shows (got mine three weeks ago in NY).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:20:26 -0800
Subject: Re: naked city questions
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:48:59 -0500 (EST) slawlor wrote:
>
> Hi there. I saw "Grand guignol" by naked city on cdconnection and I was
> wondering what it was like. The reviews of the other naked city disks
> that I saw remind me that the content might be similar to zorn's naked
> city release? Is this accurate?
> Also, I think the review of radio by the same group said that it was
> cover versions of other famous songs? Does anyone have a track list of
> what songs are on this, and are they movie themes or jazz classics that
> they perform or what? Thanks for the information.
All the songs on RADIO are Zorn's compositions. But what you say can be
understood because RADIO is in the same spirit as NAKED CITY (the first
Naked City), on which many covers are available.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
146 - RADIO: Naked City
1/ Asylum (Zorn) 1:54
2/ Sunset Surfer (Zorn) 3:22
3/ Party Girl (Zorn) 2:33
4/ The Outsider (Zorn) 2:27
5/ Triggerfingers (Zorn) 3:31
6/ Terkmani Teepee (Zorn) 3:56
7/ Sex Fiend (Zorn) 3:31
8/ Razorwire (Zorn) 5:28
9/ The Bitter And The Sweet (Zorn) 4:48
10/ Krazy Kat (Zorn) 1:51
11/ The Vault (Zorn) 4:44
12/ Metaltov (Zorn) 2:07
13/ Poisonhead (Zorn) 1:09
14/ Bone Orchard (Zorn) 3:53
15/ I Die Screaming (Zorn) 2:29
16/ Pistol Whipping (Zorn) 0:57
17/ Skatekey (Zorn) 1:24
18/ Shock Corridor (Zorn) 1:05
19/ American Psycho (Zorn) 6:09
Recorded in April 1992
Produced by John Zorn
John Zorn: alto, vocals; Bill Frisell: guitar; Wayne Horvitz: keyboards;
Fred Frith: bass; Joey Baron: drums; Yamatsuka Eye: vocals.
1993 - Avant (Japan), Avan 003 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: BIRD BRAIN <BIRD_BRAIN@wow.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:52:59 -0500
Subject: Great day at the record store
Went to a record store yesterday to browse around, and found a copy of
Heiner Goebbels' "The Man in the Elevator" on vinyl and still sealed for only
$4.00! Great finds like this help make life wonderful. Stuff like this is hard to
find here in Cowtown, USA but when it does turn up it's usually cheap 'cause
no one else wants it. I found Bar Kokhba at the same store for $14, and I also
found Chadourne's "There Be No Tears Tonight" and "2000 Statues and the
English Channel" for 3 bucks a pop. Now I just need to fix the turntable so I can
enjoy them - my girlfriend's damn pet rabbit ate the power cord.
Kevin Kobielusz
Denver, CO
------------------------------
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:50:45 -0800
Subject: Re: Hellborg, Lane, Q-258
At 06:05 AM 11/12/96 -0800, Sean Terwilliger wrote:
>You wrote:
>
>>and Jeff Sipe( Apt. Q258) told me that in the near future they may be
>doing a
>>record, produced by Bill Laswell and featuring the nephew of Nusrat
>Fateh Ali
>>Khan on vocals. Would be very interesting.
>>
>>
>
>
>Wow! Jeff, any truth to this?
I'm on an airplane reading this a few days after it was sent. I will have
to look into this, I hadn't heard anything about it.
>
>
Jeff Spirer
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
Axiom Records/Material Communications
------------------------------
From: BIRD BRAIN <BIRD_BRAIN@wow.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:34:04 -0500
Subject: Re:Naked City Questions
Hey, Scott
Grand Guignol is the same as Torture Garden except G.G. has a few hearty
extra tracks of Naked City playing the compositions of some of Zorn's
favorite composers. Naked City plays awesome transcriptions of Claude Debussy's "The Sunken Cathedral" (originally written for piano) as well as some
preludes by Scriabin and many more. Radio is more like the self titled Naked
City album IMO. More riff-oriented (for lack of a better term) tunes - all Zorn
originals I believe (no covers). Buy them both - if you don't like them then you
have permission to flame me.
Just kidding.
Kevin
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:43:26 -0800
Subject: Re: zorn's music
Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
> I'd
> say that Masada would be an amazing introduction to Zorn's music.
... for everybody except for the dweebs and mooks currently declaring
Ornette Coleman a fraud and a sham on rec.music.bluenote...
Steve Smith
(who still thinks the best intro to Zorn is THE BIG GUNDOWN)
------------------------------
From: lamerikx@win.tue.nl (Frankco Lamerikx)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:28:33 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
What's coming out when?
> > Filworks III - VI are supposedly going to be out by next March. Tzadik
> ^^
>
> This one is out (with volume V).
It's out in Europe too (ahead of its offical release date). I bought my copies
of both V and VI last Saturday from a regular store. I wondered, though, when
Filmworks IV is going to be released, and why Zorn would break the chronology
on that series? Is Filmworks IV perhaps the long-awaited Elegant Spanking
soundtrack?
>
> > is also releasing a new BURT BACHARACH album of Judaica. (Yes, THAT Burt
> > Bacharach!). I don't know who's playing on it as of now. Masad Seven
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
>
> Forgot the details but basically nobody from the NY downtown is missing
> on it :-).
It would be very cool if Mike Patton was involved in that album. He has the
perfect voice for it. Mr. Bungle even played an easy tune standard called
"Tower of Strength" (of which a Burt Bacharach version is available) in
Australia recently.
Can we expect any collaboration of Zorn and the guys from Mr. Bungle in the
future? I know Trey Spruance [Mr. Bungle guitar afficionado and all-around
keyboard wizard] told me he did some recording with Zorn when Bungle was in
New York last year.
Frankco.
------------------------------
From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:43:59 -0700
Subject: silly technical question/s...
does anyone know the brand of instrument mr. zorn uses? i belive his alto
is an old selmer but i wanted to know might there be more than one
instrument he normally uses? and maybe what clarinet he uses? and also
what brand of reed? strenth? does he make his own? etc.
this may be a real strech but i know zorn veiws the studio as an instrument
itself and id venture a guess that he is well aquainted with the technical
aspects of working in the studio. does he have a home studio of any sort?
what preferences he has for mikes, effects, recording equipment etc? he
seems to be incorporating the synclaviar recently and seeminly midi as well
(film works II) though that is a guess. does he turn the knobs himself?
any info on this would be great as well as some other thoughts on the matter.
david
O O O O O O
- -|- -|- -|- -|- -|- -|-
/ \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \
"can you point out the man who robbed you?"
------------------------------
From: martinj@SONOMA.EDU
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:00:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: zorn's music
I don't know. My intro to zorn was a tape with Torture garden & Guts of
a virgin (painkiller) on it. I was pretty much hooked.
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Steve Smith wrote:
> Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
>
> > I'd
> > say that Masada would be an amazing introduction to Zorn's music.
>
> ... for everybody except for the dweebs and mooks currently declaring
> Ornette Coleman a fraud and a sham on rec.music.bluenote...
>
> Steve Smith
> (who still thinks the best intro to Zorn is THE BIG GUNDOWN)
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: N Vassiliou <nv102@york.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:55:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Seth Gordon wrote:
> Filworks III - VI are supposedly going to be out by next March. Tzadik
Filmworks V and VI are already out. I saw them at my local specialist last
week. They are both related to some sort of "S/M fantasy" or something...
Nick Vassiliou
York,UK
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:37:40 -0800
Subject: Re: zorn's music
martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote:
>
> I don't know. My intro to zorn was a tape with Torture garden & Guts of
> a virgin (painkiller) on it. I was pretty much hooked.
Well, sure, but you and me and Jascha and probably everyone else on this
list are FAR from the normal average listener for whom Masada was being
suggested as an introduction... :-)
Steve Smith
(still fondly remembering Carol Emanuel SCREAMING HER LUNGS OUT five feet
away at the Knitting Factory, Spillane, Sept. 1993...)
------------------------------
From: Seth Gordon <killick@connix.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:33:55 -0500
Subject: Re: naked city
Radio is NOT cover tracks, simply pieces designed to fit into particular
"genre" stylings. There were rumors of an all-covers album a few years
back, but that never came to fruition. Grand Guignol is covers of
various twetieth-century chamber works, plus an extended 17-minute title
track by Zorn. In addition, it contains "Tortue Garden" minus the songs
that appeared on the "Naked City" album.
Also: I spoke with Mark Perlson, manager of the Knitting Factory record
label. He says the Knit will NOT be releasing the live Naked City box,
and that either Tzadik or Avant most likely will.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:18:09 -0400
Subject: grand guignol interpretations
At 9:33 AM 11/14/96, Seth Gordon wrote:
>Grand Guignol is covers of
>various twetieth-century chamber works, plus an extended 17-minute title
>track by Zorn.
Clarification, if I may.
Grand Guignol has interpretations of several 'classical' compositions, and
not all of them are 20th century - Prophetiae Sibyllarum is the
introduction of a large cycle of motets (of the same name) from the middle
16th century. Additionally, only the Messiaen (a movement in the Quartet
for the End of Time) is a true 'chamber work' in the sense of a chamber
ensemble. The Debussy and Scriabin are both solo piano, and the Ives was
originally written for orchestra without words, which Ives himself latter
arranged with text (that version is the one N.C. does here).
GG is one of my favorites because of these interpretations - especially the
Lassus and the Debussy, which I believe are truly artful interpretations.
LA CATH=C9DRALE ENGLOUTIE (Debussy)
[from 24 Preludes, Books I and II (1910, 1913)]
THREE PRELUDES op. 74 (Scriabin) =20
Douloureus, d=E9chirant
Tr=E9s Lent, contemplatif
Allegro drammatico
PROPHETIAE SYBILLARUM (Orlando di Lasso)
[this is actually spelled 'sibyllarum']
THE CAGE (Ives)
LOUANGE A L'=C9TERNIT=C9 DE J=C9SUS (Messiaen)
[from Quartet for the End of Time]
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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland
http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music
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------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:17:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Greetje Bijma
Jan-Wen Lu wrote:
>
> I especailly adore the voice of Greetje Bijma. I'm trying
> to find her two CD's on Enja Records.
> 1.Tales Of A Voice (TIP-888808 2, Tiptoe)
> 2.Barefoot (ENJ-8038 2, Enja)--with Marilyn Crispell & Mark Dresser.
> Can anyone provide good ways to mail-order them? I'm afraid they were
> currently out-of-print.
Ah, it's nice to see this name pop up on the Zorn List! While there's
no direct connection to Mr. Zorn's Neighborhood, I've always felt that
anyone into the antics of Shelley Hirsch, Phil Minton or David Moss
would probably dig Ms. Bijma.
Greetje Bijma (pronounced something like HRITE-yah BYE-mah) is one
of the most wonderfully inventive vocalists I'm aware of. She has
been a big part of the European jazz scene for some time but is
very little known elsewhere. The two albums you mention, TALES OF
A VOICE and BAREFOOT, are only out of print in the U.S. -- as
lamentable as that may be, it does mean you should be able to find
them readily in Europe, so perhaps someone on the Zorn List could
point you to a reputable European dealer on the WWW.
Both of those albums are filled with a maniacal intensity and a
typically Dutch sense of the absurd (as with Misha Mengelberg, Han
Bennink and Willem Breuker).Bijma can also be heard on one of
Breuker's funniest discs, "Heibel" (BVHaast Records), the one
packaged in a wooden cheesebox.
The good news is that Enja will be issuing (I believe this month in
Europe and in January or February in the U.S.) a new album
which I think is her best yet. The album is called FREEZING SCREENS
(Enja 9063) and is credited to all three participants: keyboardist
Jasper van't Hof, Bijma, and percussionist Pierre Favre. It's
an incredible album recorded live and in the studio, van't Hof's
music and Bijma's words. There are things Bijma does on this disc
that make my jaw drop. And yes, though I am the publicist
for Enja's American distributor, this is a purely personal
recommendation, one that I'd make no matter what label this was on.
So if you do appreciate wild vocal artistry, do think about checking
this out. (It'll probably be filed under van't Hof since his name
is first on the cover.)
Steve Smith
ssmith@kochint.com
------------------------------
From: N Vassiliou <nv102@york.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:28:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: zorn's music
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Steve Smith wrote:
> martinj@SONOMA.EDU wrote:
> >
> > I don't know. My intro to zorn was a tape with Torture garden & Guts of
> > a virgin (painkiller) on it. I was pretty much hooked.
I'd agree with most people that The Big Gundown is the best introduction.
I think most of the covers from Naked City (James Bond, Cicilian Clan)
will also be appropriate although most of the LP probably is not....
Nicholas V.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:55:50 -0800
Subject: Re: silly technical question/s...
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:43:59 -0700 david m rothbaum wrote:
>
> does anyone know the brand of instrument mr. zorn uses? i belive his alto
> is an old selmer but i wanted to know might there be more than one
> instrument he normally uses? and maybe what clarinet he uses? and also
> what brand of reed? strenth? does he make his own? etc.
The only time the brand of the instruments he uses was mentioned on a record
it was... about his huge collection of game calls :-).
> this may be a real strech but i know zorn veiws the studio as an instrument
> itself and id venture a guess that he is well aquainted with the technical
> aspects of working in the studio. does he have a home studio of any sort?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not to my knowledge.
> what preferences he has for mikes, effects, recording equipment etc? he
> seems to be incorporating the synclaviar recently and seeminly midi as well
> (film works II) though that is a guess. does he turn the knobs himself?
>
> any info on this would be great as well as some other thoughts on the matter.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:05:22 -0800
Subject: Re: grand guignol interpretations
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:18:09 -0400 Matthew Ross Davis wrote:
>
> At 9:33 AM 11/14/96, Seth Gordon wrote:
> >Grand Guignol is covers of
> >various twetieth-century chamber works, plus an extended 17-minute title
> >track by Zorn.
>
> Clarification, if I may.
>
> Grand Guignol has interpretations of several 'classical' compositions, and
> not all of them are 20th century - Prophetiae Sibyllarum is the
> introduction of a large cycle of motets (of the same name) from the middle
> 16th century. Additionally, only the Messiaen (a movement in the Quartet
> for the End of Time) is a true 'chamber work' in the sense of a chamber
> ensemble. The Debussy and Scriabin are both solo piano, and the Ives was
^^^^^^^
But there is an orchestra version of it, right? I have a 2xCD of orchestral
works by Debussy and I am pretty sure that LA CATHEDRALE ENGLOUTIE is on
it.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: hertzman@squeegee.cs.nyu.edu (Aaron Hertzmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:59:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Masada-like recommendations?
Hello -
I was really blown away by the Bar Kokhba concert at the Knitting Factory,
and the CD is great too; I'm especially fond of the guitar tracks, like
"Mahlah." Can someone reccomend similar recordings? How are
"Kristallnacht" and "The Book of Heads"? I've also got "Gimel," and I
generally enjoy the faster tracks; which of the Masada recordings do you
recommend?
Also, can you recommend good record stores in Greenwich Village? I just
moved here from Houston, TX two months ago. So far, I've found Other
Music (and, of course, Tower.)
Aaron
------------------------------
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:21:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Steve Beresford
Anybody know anything about this guy, more specifically his album "Signals
for Tea"? That record features Beresford on piano and vocals, as well as
Zorn, Douglas, Cohen, and Wollesen. Looks amusing to say the least, Zorn
and friends are all listed on 'backing vocals' as well as their respective
instruments. Thanks all. Later...
- -Tom-
------------------------------
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mozart@butterfly.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:00:13 -0400
Subject: Re: grand guignol interpretations
>> ensemble. The Debussy and Scriabin are both solo piano, and the Ives was
> ^^^^^^^
>
>But there is an orchestra version of it, right? I have a 2xCD of orchestral
>works by Debussy and I am pretty sure that LA CATHEDRALE ENGLOUTIE is on
>it.
There may be - I've never heard it. Originally it's a piano piece, and
someone (maybe Debussy himself) may have arranged it for orchestra.
Considering that, though, it's possible Zorn gave the orchestra parts to
the Naked City members for playing.
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http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music
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