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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #25
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zorn-list Digest Wednesday, 13 November 1996 Volume 02 : Number 025
In this issue:
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Laswell's "Hear No Evil"...
zorn's music
Namlook
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Re: Zorn / Chadbourne
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Masada
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Re: Zorn / Chadbourne
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Cage and Zorn music in concert
Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #24 -- Chadbourne/ Zorn
Greetje Bijma
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: Zorn's Labels?
Re: Zorn's Labels?
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From: Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 14:09:00 PST
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
>>From: Adam Ritchie <ritchie@satech.net.au>
>>Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:43:34 +1030
>>Subject: Mr Bungle percussionist
>>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>I recently saw Mr bungle in Adelaide, Australia a couple of weeks ago
>>which was one of the most amazing shows I've experienced apart from
>>MTM, Le Fura De Baus from Spain. Anyway, what I wanted to know was
>>who was the percussionist on the Australian Tour? Was it Ed Mann from
>>the Frank Zappa group because I read in a local street mag that the
>>percussionist >>was an x-Zappa player. Anyone know? Thanks
>>
>>Ritchie (Chimera)
I haven't seen them on this tour, but I am guessing from what I know that
Mr. Bungle's percussionist is William Winnant, who I just realized played
on Zorn's "Kristallnacht" album. I will admit that I don't know much
about Winnant other than his work with Mr. Bungle and now Kristallnacht.
------------------------------
From: Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 14:35:00 PST
Subject: Laswell's "Hear No Evil"...
There were a lot of messages in digests recently about Laswell's "Hear No
Evil" album, mainly stating it was Laswell's best work. I bought it years
ago and was very unimpressed. I decided to dig it up and listen to it
again, and I still don't see what is so fantastic about this album. ...To
each their own I guess. Anyway, it seems that this is out of print and
hard to find, so sorry to have another message that sounds "like a record
swap meeting filled with stamp collectors.", but if someone wants to
trade for it, I'd be interested... I always wanted to kick myself for not
getting Laswell's "Basslines" when I saw it years ago, that is probably
my favorite of his.
Matt Walsh
mattw@smginc.com
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:34:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: zorn's music
I found that listening to Zorn gradualy led to me liking evything he's
done, on some level, although there are some albums i definitly listen to
way more often than others. IMHO, even people who don't like a lot of
Zorn's music (as may be the case with the girlfriend mentioned in a
previous letter) stand a good chance of liking a Masada show. They are
infinitely more audience friendly than, say, Naked City or how i imagine
Painkiller to be. They're al lot more musical, for one thing, not to
mention the absence of scary amplification and screaming people. I'd
say that Masada would be an amazing introduction to Zorn's music.
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:44:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Namlook
This really has nothing to do with Zorn, but people have mentioned Namlook
and have even recommended albums, so here's my two cents (1.2 cents
american): his albums AIR and AIR 2 are both very beautiful (and are sold
together as a double thingy). I like them better than any other FAX stuff
i've heard. They are different from each other, so if you do find the
versions which are seperate (ie: NOT a double thingy) and only want to
buy one -
The first one is analogue synth, spacey, realm-of-pure-thought musical
geometry, whereas the second one is more obviously from the planet earth,
with samples of classical guitars, tabla, flute, etc..., although it is
still very 'ambient' in a spacey synth kind of way. They both have a lot
of nice rhythmic trance-inducing stuff, but aren't 'techno' albums at all
at all at all.
The double CD is FAX, and the single albums are both on Rising High Records.
- -jasch
------------------------------
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:03:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
> I haven't seen them on this tour, but I am guessing from what I know that
> Mr. Bungle's percussionist is William Winnant, who I just realized played
> on Zorn's "Kristallnacht" album. I will admit that I don't know much
> about Winnant other than his work with Mr. Bungle and now Kristallnacht.
Winant is one of the finest modern classical percussionists around. He also has made
frequent forays into improv and rock. Here's a brief list of his recordings:
- -Abel/ Steinberg/ Winant- Set Of Five (Music of Cage, Cowell etc)
- -Room (Ochs/Brown/Winant)
- -Room-Hall of Mirrors (as above + Gresham-Lancaster)
- -Glenn Spearman Double Trio- The Fields
- -Glenn Spearman Double Trio- Mystery Project
- -Glenn Spearman Double Trio-Smokehouse
- -Ron Anderson-Pak Small r Half Inch
you'll see his name pop up on miscellaneous classical recordings, and he also has
toured (& recorded?) with Oingo Boingo.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:11:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Zorn / Chadbourne
seth gordon:
> 1. Has anyone heard the new Zorn / Chadbourne album? I saw it the other
> day and was thinking of getting it, but I put it off. Is it just a bunch
> of squeaky noises? Or do they make things a bit more interesting? Is it
> similar to the Zorn/Bailey/Parker or the Zorn/Frith albums?
given your tone here, i'd say you're not going to like it. It's not too similar
to those records, because Zorn's playing was so radically different 15
years ago, and because Chadbourne sounds completely different from Bailey
or Frith (at least to me). But it is a very abstruse music full of "squeaky
noises" as well as an astonishing level of chemistry between the players.
Highly recommended to fans of Zorn's (or Chadbourne's) pre 1980 work.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:17:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Matt Walsh, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>I haven't seen them on this tour, but I am guessing from what I know that
>Mr. Bungle's percussionist is William Winnant, who I just realized played
>on Zorn's "Kristallnacht" album. I will admit that I don't know much
>about Winnant other than his work with Mr. Bungle and now Kristallnacht.
Winnant is also on zorn's Elegy CD.
mike rizzi
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------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:17:33 -0800
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:17:33 -0800 (PST) m. rizzi wrote:
>
> Matt Walsh, demi-God and Icon sez:
> >
> >I haven't seen them on this tour, but I am guessing from what I know that
> >Mr. Bungle's percussionist is William Winnant, who I just realized played
> >on Zorn's "Kristallnacht" album. I will admit that I don't know much
> >about Winnant other than his work with Mr. Bungle and now Kristallnacht.
>
> Winnant is also on zorn's Elegy CD.
Mister Winnant is one of the busiest percussionists in contemporary music
(Cage, Riley, Harrison). He is also a teacher at Mills and is featured
on numerous recordings (including the set of strange 7" from RRRR). Amazing
that he finds the time to tour with Mr. Bungle.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:42:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
Winnant was also at the West coast Cobra gig a couple of months ago. Along
with Mike Patton, David Slusser, Lyle Ellis, Trevor Dunn, John Schott, etc,
etc. He was on "mind emissions".
------------------------------
From: "Gary M. Gettier" <gmg@mtolympus.ari.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:30:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
According to m. rizzi:
>
>Matt Walsh, demi-God and Icon sez:
>>
>>I haven't seen them on this tour, but I am guessing from what I know that
>>Mr. Bungle's percussionist is William Winnant, who I just realized played
>>on Zorn's "Kristallnacht" album. I will admit that I don't know much
>>about Winnant other than his work with Mr. Bungle and now Kristallnacht.
>
> Winnant is also on zorn's Elegy CD.
I really enjoyed his work at the Bungle show last year. He made a good
show great. He was always doing something. Amazing.
Seeya, gmg@ari.net
Gary
"I can't take all the credit. The Yankees are a great team."
- - Jeffrey Maier
------------------------------
From: Mark Michael Mathis <mmathis@cs.tamu.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:54:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Masada
Does anyone know the Masada tour schedule?
Particulary, does anyone know if they are coming to Texas?
that is all.
------------------------------
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:47:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
of course, don't forget that Winnant
was involved with all of the "composer"
series 7" releases (including the live
MEV 7") which came out on Stomach Ache.
... or is this giving away the secret?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:17:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Zorn / Chadbourne
***** According to the Knitting Factory, the box set is officially defunct.
Anybody know any details?
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
In a message dated 96-11-12 12:31:15 EST, killick@connix.com (Seth Gordon)
writes:
<< After "Zorn Month" at the knit a few years back, the Knit announced they
had taped all the N.C. shows (over ten hours worth, as I remember) and
would release them as a box set, proceeds going to charity. Well...
never heard another thing. Everyone should e-mail the Knit and tell them
to get on the ball with this one. It's been THREE YEARS now!
>>
------------------------------
From: Alain et Louis Potvin <louisp@destination.ca>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:23:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
At 14:17 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Matt Walsh, demi-God and Icon sez:
>>
>>I haven't seen them on this tour, but I am guessing from what I know that =
=20
>>Mr. Bungle's percussionist is William Winnant, who I just realized played =
=20
>>on Zorn's "Kristallnacht" album. I will admit that I don't know much =20
>>about Winnant other than his work with Mr. Bungle and now Kristallnacht. =
=20
>
> Winnant is also on zorn's Elegy CD
I saw Winnant at Victoriaville in May 96 (Fest. musique actuelle) with Tom
Surgal and Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth)
Alain Potvin =20
Alain Potvin
Qu=E9bec, Canada
------------------------------
From: NEC_DRURY@FLO.ORG
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:10:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Cage and Zorn music in concert
For those in the Boston, Mass. area, here's an upcoming concert event
which may be of interest:
The Enchanted Circle and the Callithumpian Consort present --
John Cage: Cheap Imitation (chamber orchestra version)
John Zorn: Christabel for 5 flutes
Giacinto Scelsi: Hyxos for Alto Flute and Gongs
Ustvolskaya: Sonata VI for piano
8pm, Monday November 18 at New England Conservatory
290 Huntington Ave., Boston, Mass.
FREE
------------------------------
From: lamerikx@win.tue.nl (Frankco Lamerikx)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:25:48 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: Mr Bungle percussionist
> Mister Winnant is one of the busiest percussionists in contemporary music
> (Cage, Riley, Harrison). He is also a teacher at Mills and is featured
> on numerous recordings (including the set of strange 7" from RRRR). Amazing
> that he finds the time to tour with Mr. Bungle.
>
> Patrice.
During Bungle's European tour of February/March '96, there was rumour that
Wiliam Winant (with a single 'n') would become a permanent member of Mr. Bungle.
It seems that Bungle has written a ton of stuff for their next album which
includes percussion parts to be played by William Winant.
Frankco.
------------------------------
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 06:47:35 +0000
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
At 06:28 PM 11/12/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>> 2. Does anyone know just what's going on with the live Naked City album?
>> After "Zorn Month" at the knit a few years back, the Knit announced they
>> had taped all the N.C. shows (over ten hours worth, as I remember) and
>> would release them as a box set, proceeds going to charity. Well...
>> never heard another thing. Everyone should e-mail the Knit and tell them
>> to get on the ball with this one. It's been THREE YEARS now!
>
>From what I know, John Zorn does not want the Knitting Factory to release
>anything under his name (it took two years and a lot of sweat to get out
>the COBRA thing...). Don't know the exact reason why, but having two labels
>he completely controls makes me think that he does not need help from
>anybody to release his music.
>
> Patrice.
>
I'm sure he doesn't need help. I also suspect he enjoys releasing stuff on
a variety of labels, perhaps to give collectors something to feel proud
about. Witness "Art of Memory" on Incus, Filmworks III on Toy's Factory,
Painkiller Live discs also on Toy's Factory. These are all recent works
which could have gone on Avant or Tzadik. I'm sure there're plenty of other
candidates too. Why were Masada 1 thru 6 on DIW, not the sub-label Avant?
Why did you need a japanese translation to get Masada 4? Where the hell is
Masada 7?
Yes, I know Filmworks III and the Execution Ground 3CD set are supposed to
come out on Tzadik eventually. In the meantime, let's hope we all have
access to a decent record store.
=> Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net <=
------------------------------
From: Nathaniel Dorward <ndorward@is2.dal.ca>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:29:46 -0400 (AST)
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #24 -- Chadbourne/ Zorn
Haven't heard the _Nikki Arane_ album, but there's a track by
Zorn/Chadbourne called "Red Lightning, Part I" on Chadbourne's Leo CD
_Boogie with the Hook_. It's the best thing on the album, in my opinion
(I posted a warning to prospective buyers earlier that they therefore
might just as well fork out for _Nikki Arane_, but this seems to have got
lost). However, it's definitely within the scratch/pling/noise area of
improv; not very close to _Harras_ (Zorn/Parker/Bailey), for instance
(don't have the Zorn/Frith, alas), and more like _Yankees_. --N.D.
*
Nate Dorward (ndorward@is2.dal.ca)
website: http://is2.dal.ca/~ndorward/
*
...Cambridge, where
chthonic severance dictates endless toil.
--Peter Riley, _Alstonefield_
------------------------------
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:38:02 +0800
Subject: Greetje Bijma
I have a CD-Direct Sounds:Five Voices. With great vocal improvisation
works of David Moss, Shelley Hirsch, Anna Homler, Greetje Bijma and
Carles Santos. I especailly adore the voice of Greetje Bijma. I'm trying
to find her two CD's on Enja Records.
1.Tales Of A Voice (TIP-888808 2, Tiptoe)
2.Barefoot (ENJ-8038 2, Enja)--with Marilyn Crispell & Mark Dresser.
Can anyone provide good ways to mail-order them? I'm afraid they were
currently out-of-print. Also, please inform me more about the background
knowlege of this female vocalist from Netherland. Thanks.
- --
Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:25:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 06:47:35 +0000 Dwight Haden wrote:
>
> At 06:28 PM 11/12/96 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >>
> >> 2. Does anyone know just what's going on with the live Naked City album?
> >> After "Zorn Month" at the knit a few years back, the Knit announced they
> >> had taped all the N.C. shows (over ten hours worth, as I remember) and
> >> would release them as a box set, proceeds going to charity. Well...
> >> never heard another thing. Everyone should e-mail the Knit and tell them
> >> to get on the ball with this one. It's been THREE YEARS now!
> >
> >From what I know, John Zorn does not want the Knitting Factory to release
> >anything under his name (it took two years and a lot of sweat to get out
> >the COBRA thing...). Don't know the exact reason why, but having two labels
> >he completely controls makes me think that he does not need help from
> >anybody to release his music.
> >
> > Patrice.
> >
> I'm sure he doesn't need help. I also suspect he enjoys releasing stuff on
> a variety of labels, perhaps to give collectors something to feel proud
> about. Witness "Art of Memory" on Incus, Filmworks III on Toy's Factory,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ART OF MEMORY is a duo and the other is Fred Frith. Why do you think Zorn
was behind the idea of making it on Incus. Not to mention that Bailey and
Zorn are good buddies.
> about. Witness "Art of Memory" on Incus, Filmworks III on Toy's Factory,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Zorn has a long and good relation with Asian labels; Toy's Factory is one.
> Painkiller Live discs also on Toy's Factory. These are all recent works
> which could have gone on Avant or Tzadik. I'm sure there're plenty of other
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe because of something called... a contract (my guess), or just to
keep a good relation working.
> candidates too. Why were Masada 1 thru 6 on DIW, not the sub-label Avant?
^^^
In fact, the same person is behind the Zorn projects on DIW, Avant and
Tzadik. Let's make the assumption that for practical reasons (financial?),
DIW was a better choice than Avant.
> Why did you need a japanese translation to get Masada 4? Where the hell is
> Masada 7?
You just have to be a little bit patient and savour what you already have :-).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:22:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
> Yes, I know Filmworks III and the Execution Ground 3CD set are supposed to
> come out on Tzadik eventually. In the meantime, let's hope we all have
> access to a decent record store.
Does anyone know when FWIII is coming out on Tzadik? I thought it was
already on Tzadik, but this may explain why the local record stores have been
scratching thier heads over my orders lately...
And...*where is* Masada 7, anyway? I know at least one person mentioned
that it was "ssssssssmokin'", so i thought it was out already.
- -jascha
------------------------------
From: Seth Gordon <killick@connix.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:28:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
Filworks III - VI are supposedly going to be out by next March. Tzadik
is also releasing a new BURT BACHARACH album of Judaica. (Yes, THAT Burt
Bacharach!). I don't know who's playing on it as of now. Masad Seven
(which would be "Zayin") I've never heard of, unless that's the "Masada
Live" album that came out in Europe, which I don't have. Anyone know
anything about that one?
------------------------------
From: Mr R Teh <richie@fawlty13.eng.monash.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:41:08 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Zorn's Labels?
>Does anyone know when FWIII is coming out on Tzadik? I thought it was
>already on Tzadik, but this may explain why the local record stores have
been
>scratching thier heads over my orders lately...
According to the Tzadik homepage, the following will
be released on the 19 Nov 1996. There's no mention of FWIII.
Kletka Red: Hijacking --- Coming on November 19, 1996
New Klezmer Trio: Masks and Faces --- Coming on November 19, 1996
Jon: Smoke --- Coming on November 19, 1996
John Zorn: Filmworks V: Tears of Ecstasy --- Coming on November 19, 1996
John Zorn: Filmworks VI --- Coming on November 19, 1996
Regards,
Richie Teh
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