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From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #23
Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com
Precedence:
zorn-list Digest Sunday, 10 November 1996 Volume 02 : Number 023
In this issue:
Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #16
Re: Bailey jungle album
Re: Frith about Zorn
Interview?
Re: Interview?
Re: Interview?
Re: Interview?
Bailey/Metheny
For Steve Smith
Bennik/Douglas's Serpentine
Re: Bailey/Metheny
RE: Bailey/Metheny
Re: Bennik/Douglas's Serpentine
Re: Bennik/Douglas's Serpentine
Re: The Cabinnet
Bar Kokhba in France
Re: Hex Kitchen
Re: Leng T'che
Re: Leng T'che
Re: Leng T'che
Re: Leng T'che
Mr. Bungle
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From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jbivins@indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:48:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #16
If this is helpful at all, I can personally confirm the existence of the
Douglas/Bennink disc "Serpentine". Tony Reif of Songlines is indeed
unhappy with his distribution, but I found a copy of the above in
Chicago's Jazz Record Mart (along with a really great Joe McPhee disc
documenting a live date he did with Eyvind Kang, among others, in 1995 -
small plug for Joe). Personally, I think the Douglas/Bennink pairing
works - it's pretty gonzo, with Dave going beyond even Tiny Bell
territory. It's taken me a number of listenings to get into, but Han
swings like mad (not to mention his violin) and the ideas are flowing. I'm
eager for the Clusone disc with Douglas. By the way, Reif says we can
expect a Marty Ehrlich/Ben Goldberg disc early next year.
Jason Bivins
------------------------------
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:22:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Bailey jungle album
patrice:
> Sphere Marketting in his last update catalog listed it as available.
>
but when i tried to get this from sphere, i was told something along the line
of the distribution limbo story.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 16:00:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Frith about Zorn
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:46:29 -0500 (EST) br00361@binghamton.edu wrote:
>
>
> I've been transcribing and translating, from the French, Fred Frith's long
> comments about Zorn, Zorn's music and their collaboration, on the
> occasion of an extraordinary duo concert by both in Oct. 8, 1988.
>
> My question is: does anybody in the list by any chance know about other
> declarations, statements, interviews, or articles about Zorn, by Frith or
> by other musicians who played with him or not ? I know David Bailey's
> chapter in his "Musical Improvision" (only on the latest edition, by
> DaCappo) but I would be interested about references of other
> similar writings by musicians.
There is an article in MUSICS (English magazine) from 1979 where Frith
reports a series of shows he attended in NYC. In this article he shows
his surprise at how much awe other musicians are showing to Zorn (he
is talking about the "usual" crew which used to play with Zorn). Also
Frith kind of criticizes the way Zorn's pieces are structured (game
pieces). Coming from a free improv scene (Europe), Zorn's methods do
not look very democratic :-). From the article you can guess that
Zorn is a musician we will hear about in the next years. I have the
article somewhere and I should try to dig it because it is examplary
of how Zorn impressed (and still) other musicians by knowing exactly
what he wants (and this at an early age) and to get other musicians
do it.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Barry Gilbert <barry.gilbert@internetmci.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:22:20 -0500
Subject: Interview?
- -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
There is a small chance that I'll have the opportunity ti interview Zorn
for my radio show when Masada comes to Boulder next Sunday. I need help
from everyone with questions that I should ask him. What would you ask him
if you had the opportunity?
Barry Gilbert
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 16:54:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Interview?
On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:22:20 -0500 Barry Gilbert wrote:
>
> -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>
> There is a small chance that I'll have the opportunity ti interview Zorn
> for my radio show when Masada comes to Boulder next Sunday. I need help
> from everyone with questions that I should ask him. What would you ask him
> if you had the opportunity?
Not an important one but just curious about:
Why does he have no plan to release the East coast Masada (with Ben
Goldberg)?
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:21:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Interview?
Patrice L. Roussel, demi-God and Icon sez:
>
>On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:22:20 -0500 Barry Gilbert wrote:
>>
>> -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>>
>> There is a small chance that I'll have the opportunity ti interview Zorn
>> for my radio show when Masada comes to Boulder next Sunday. I need help
hmmm...I was under the impression that he
doesn't do interviews anymore...that would
be great if he does come in.
>> from everyone with questions that I should ask him. What would you ask him
>> if you had the opportunity?
>
>Not an important one but just curious about:
>
> Why does he have no plan to release the East coast Masada (with Ben
> Goldberg)?
Don't you mean West Coast Masada there Patrice?
cheers,
mike
rizzi@tfs.com ------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com
- -=work=- "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=-
http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/
- -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:26:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Interview?
On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:21:00 -0800 (PST) m. rizzi wrote:
>
> Patrice L. Roussel, demi-God and Icon sez:
> >
> >On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 17:22:20 -0500 Barry Gilbert wrote:
> >>
> >> -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
> >>
> >> There is a small chance that I'll have the opportunity ti interview Zorn
> >> for my radio show when Masada comes to Boulder next Sunday. I need help
>
> hmmm...I was under the impression that he
> doesn't do interviews anymore...that would
> be great if he does come in.
>
> >> from everyone with questions that I should ask him. What would you ask him
> >> if you had the opportunity?
> >
> >Not an important one but just curious about:
> >
> > Why does he have no plan to release the East coast Masada (with Ben
> > Goldberg)?
>
> Don't you mean West Coast Masada there Patrice?
Oups! I mean (of course) this Masada. I asked the question once to Zorn and he
said no (that he won't record any West coast Masada); I did not have the
smartness to ask why.
Patrice (still trying to recover from too much travel :-).
------------------------------
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:30:34 -0500
Subject: Bailey/Metheny
A lot of you probably already know about this but in case you don't: I just
talked to Mark at the Knitting Factory and he said that Bailey is coming over
to NYC soon for two days in the studio and two live shows with Metheny, the
best of which will be collected for an album. This is apparently the sole
purpose for Bailey's trip so it may be the last chance to see him in the US.
Best, Lang Thompson
------------------------------
From: dawnrazor@pacificnet.net
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:23:02 -0800
Subject: For Steve Smith
Please e-mail me. Apologies to everyone else.
------------------------------
From: Richie Teh <richie@cst.com.au>
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 19:39:55 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Bennik/Douglas's Serpentine
Hi all,
>Personally, I think the Douglas/Bennink pairing
>works - it's pretty gonzo, with Dave going beyond even Tiny Bell
>territory. It's taken me a number of listenings to get into, but Han
>swings like mad (not to mention his violin) and the ideas are flowing. I'm
Yes, I bought this last week too. Imagine my surprise finding this gem
with the new Babkas CD) in a suburben CD shop in Melbourne Australia.
I strongly recommend this. This duo is totally totally wild!!! The
collaboration is indeed out of this world. Beware, most tunes on this
disc are complete improvisation and very well done, except for 2 standards
which was kinda cool (trumpet and other sounds).
>eager for the Clusone disc with Douglas. By the way, Reif says we can
Yes, I read about this on Patrice Roussel's Dave Douglas's discog (Hi
Patrice!! Welcome back!! Thanks for your help with the Joey Baron and Jim
Black discog). It mentioned that this album will be released on Gramavision
early next year. There's also mentioned that a new Dave Douglas solo project
and a Tiny Bell Trio releases. Anyone have more info?
>expect a Marty Ehrlich/Ben Goldberg disc early next year.
Yes yes yes!!! Can't wait!!!
Regards,
Richie Teh
Maintainer of Drumnet
http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet
Email: richie@c031.aone.net.au or drumnet@clearview.com.au
*Want to display an Advertisment Banner on DrumNet, email for more
infor :-)
** New contest on DrumNet. All you have to do is fill in the
survey and be in the running for 3 CDs!!! Yes, 3 CDs!!!
Amazing! Starts 21st Oct 96
------------------------------
From: silver whale <tkorpipa@siba.fi>
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:32:50 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: Re: Bailey/Metheny
On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 Wlt4@aol.com wrote:
> A lot of you probably already know about this but in case you don't: I j=
ust
> talked to Mark at the Knitting Factory and he said that Bailey is coming =
over
> to NYC soon for two days in the studio and two live shows with Metheny, t=
he
> best of which will be collected for an album. This is apparently the sol=
e
> purpose for Bailey's trip so it may be the last chance to see him in the =
US.
"Last chance"? Is there something that I don=B4t know... I must confess I=
=20
don=B4t have the faintest idea of mr Bailey=B4s age..., I know he has been=
=20
around for some time, thought...
teemu
_-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D=
- -__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-
e-mail: tkorpipa@siba.fi "There was coffee. Life would go on."
Ruumen homepage: William Gibson:'The Winter Market'
http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html
_-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D=
- -__-=3D-__-=3D-__-=3D-__-
------------------------------
From: "Walter M. Young" <waltwhy@usa.nai.net>
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 10:08:28 -0500
Subject: RE: Bailey/Metheny
I haven't seen this show listed on Knitting Factory's homepage yet, but =
the dates are December 13 & 14. Tickets are available for ordering now. =
I've got mine!
- ----------
From: Wlt4@aol.com[SMTP:Wlt4@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 1996 9:31 PM
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Bailey/Metheny
A lot of you probably already know about this but in case you don't: I =
just
talked to Mark at the Knitting Factory and he said that Bailey is coming =
over
to NYC soon for two days in the studio and two live shows with Metheny, =
the
best of which will be collected for an album. This is apparently the =
sole
purpose for Bailey's trip so it may be the last chance to see him in the =
US.
Best, Lang Thompson
------------------------------
From: jhale@cycor.ca (James Hale)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 10:19:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Bennik/Douglas's Serpentine
Richie wrote:
>There's also mentioned that a new Dave Douglas solo project
>and a Tiny Bell Trio releases. Anyone have more info?
Dave told me in July that a live TBT will be recorded this fall and
released early in 97.
His Sanctuary project -- two trumpets, two samplers, two basses and two
drums -- is supposed to be out on the Avant label very soon.
Dave said that beyond these, he's also planning to release an orchestral
work with Friedlander and Surin soloing, something with Trilok Gurtu and
duos with Kenny Wheeler. These last two were still in the planning stages.
James Hale
Music Journalist
Ottawa
------------------------------
From: choltby@cln.etc.bc.ca (Holtby)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 08:08:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Bennik/Douglas's Serpentine
>Richie wrote:
>>There's also mentioned that a new Dave Douglas solo project
>>and a Tiny Bell Trio releases. Anyone have more info?
>
>Dave told me in July that a live TBT will be recorded this fall and
>released early in 97.
>His Sanctuary project -- two trumpets, two samplers, two basses and two
>drums -- is supposed to be out on the Avant label very soon.
>
>Dave said that beyond these, he's also planning to release an orchestral
>work with Friedlander and Surin soloing, something with Trilok Gurtu and
>duos with Kenny Wheeler. These last two were still in the planning stages.
>
>James Hale
>Music Journalist
>Ottawa
>
>
>
> I, too began salivating when I saw the Clusone Trio/Dave Douglas disc
pending upon reading the Dave Douglas Discography. I queried Rykodisc on this,
however, and was informed that, although they were touring together, no
plans were in place regarding recording.
Does Rykodisc/Grammavision speak the truth, or does the Zorn-list
know better?
Doug Holtby
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:59:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The Cabinnet
> Dresser in top form... His new solo album Invocation is very good (the
> Hemingway arranged tune is amazing) but I always slap on Braxton's
Would this be Gerry Hemmingway? I saw him for a measly $5.00 canadian at
the Guelph jazz festival and he blew me away. Anyone who can keep an
audience rivitted for an hour with a solo drum-set concert is amazing. I
bought two of his CDs: 'solo acoustic works 1983-1994' and 'solo
electro-acoustic works 1983-1994' and both are increadible. Listening to
the solo acoustic stuff in the dark is spookier than anything else i've
heard...he uses every extended technique you can use on the drums, and
adds more of his own. His electro-acoustic stuff is also brilliant. Wow.
They're really hard to get, he says, so here's the label if anyone's
interested:
RANDOM ACOUSTICS
po box 301070
D-50780 koln, germany
phone (00)49.221.5106387
fax (00)49.221.5106386
------------------------------
From: Olivier Nguyen Van Tan <onvt@MicroNet.fr>
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 23:33:19 +0100
Subject: Bar Kokhba in France
Hi,
Last week, Bar Kokhba was playing in France in Paris at LE HOT BRASS
(31st of October).
The band was:
Marc Ribot
Joey Baron
Greg Cohen
Cyro Baptista
Erik Friedlander
and Mark Feldman.
Zorn showed us his back all night long and seemed to be a real tyran =
with his musicians (especially with Marc Ribot...). He acted like a =
conductor.
Nevertheless, the gig was great and Joey Baron as usual was the best!!
(can he be bad?)
Zorn just played saxophone on the last song (the audience asked him).
But, his solos were not very great... very poor in fact.
Nevermind, the band was fantastic.
BTW, do you hear the CD LengthChe (or something like that...) of Naked =
City?
Is it worth a lot of money (226 francs or more than 40 $) for 32 =
minutes?
Olivier
------------------------------
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:34:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Hex Kitchen
At 09:59 PM 11/6/96 +0000, you wrote:
>
>From: Howard Shih <howards@meta4dd.com>
>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:05:49 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Early Zorn Recomendations?
>
>I'm thinking of getting some of Zorn's earlier works but I'm not too sure
>where to start. The earliest Zorn works I have are Spillane and The Big
>Gundown. While I'm asking for recommendations... has anyone heard Ikue
>Mori's Garden or Hex Kitchen? I've like Death Ambient and am curious
>about her other stuff? How long has she worked with drum machines? Anyone
>see her perform?
>
I bought Hex Kitchen on the strength of Death Ambient and was not
disappointed. Hex Kitchen has vocals on a few tracks, and is not quite as
dark, but the orientation and general sound are similar to Death Ambient.
Recommended companion pieces.
:------------------------------------------:
| Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net |
:------------------------------------------:
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:04:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Leng T'che
> BTW, do you hear the CD LengthChe (or something like that...) of Naked City?
> Is it worth a lot of money (226 francs or more than 40 $) for 32 minutes?
I think it's Leng T'che, but i don't feel like going all the way upstairs
to make sure right now. I paid a lot for it (2600 yen = $35 canadian)
because i'd never heard of it and thought it was never going to appear
again.
It's 32 minutes of big nasty guitar noise and screaming; big blocky power
chords which move around very slowly, and funeral dirge HEAVY bass drum
and cymbal thumping... it sounds like the ending of a heavy metal song
streatched out to half an hour with the actual song left off of the
beginning.
Supposedly it was inspired by the Melvins' stage show, but i wouldn't
know because i've never seen it.
hope that helps,
jascha
------------------------------
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 10:59:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Leng T'che
At 01:04 PM 11/10/96 -0500, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
>> BTW, do you hear the CD LengthChe (or something like that...) of Naked City?
>> Is it worth a lot of money (226 francs or more than 40 $) for 32 minutes?
>
>I think it's Leng T'che, but i don't feel like going all the way upstairs
>to make sure right now. I paid a lot for it (2600 yen = $35 canadian)
>because i'd never heard of it and thought it was never going to appear
>again.
>
I bought mine for $8 new. At least in the US (I realize both of the
previous posters are not living in the US), this has shown up as a cutout
through Tower.
Jeff Spirer
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
Axiom Records/Material Communications
------------------------------
From: N Vassiliou <nv102@york.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:43:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Leng T'che
> At 01:04 PM 11/10/96 -0500, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
> >> BTW, do you hear the CD LengthChe (or something like that...) of Naked City?
> >> Is it worth a lot of money (226 francs or more than 40 $) for 32 minutes?
> >
> >I think it's Leng T'che, but i don't feel like going all the way upstairs
> >to make sure right now. I paid a lot for it (2600 yen = $35 canadian)
> >because i'd never heard of it and thought it was never going to appear
> >again.
> >
>
> I bought mine for $8 new. At least in the US (I realize both of the
> previous posters are not living in the US), this has shown up as a cutout
> through Tower.
>
> Jeff Spirer
> http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
> Axiom Records/Material Communications
I think I heard from somewhere (but I can't remember where) that Leng T'che is going to be reissued together
with Torture Garden. From what I can tell from your descriptions of Leng T'Che it is a much better companion
to Torture Garden than Grand Guignol.
Nick Vassiliou
York,UK
------------------------------
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:57:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Leng T'che
Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 01:04 PM 11/10/96 -0500, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
> >> BTW, do you hear the CD LengthChe (or something like that...) of Naked City?
> >> Is it worth a lot of money (226 francs or more than 40 $) for 32 minutes?
> >
> >I think it's Leng T'che, but i don't feel like going all the way upstairs
> >to make sure right now. I paid a lot for it (2600 yen = $35 canadian)
> >because i'd never heard of it and thought it was never going to appear
> >again.
> >
>
> I bought mine for $8 new. At least in the US (I realize both of the
> previous posters are not living in the US), this has shown up as a cutout
> through Tower.
> Isn't Tzadik going to release that backed with Torture Garden?
- -Sean
------------------------------
From: Scott Chamberlin <chambest@cs.purdue.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:36:08 -0500
Subject: Mr. Bungle
I just watched the cut of the "quote unquote" video on the Warner Bros.
Mr Bungle home page, and I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the
entire video, or other Bungle videos.
- -----------------------------------------------------------
"Homosexuality is the best cover Scott Chamberlin
an agent can have." chambest@cs.purdue.edu
--William S. Burroughs Tarkington Hall SW156
West Lafayette, IN 47906
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