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zorn-list Digest          Friday, 8 November 1996      Volume 02 : Number 016

In this issue:

    Shankar
    forbidden fruit question
    Re: Shankar
    Re: forbidden fruit question
    introduction.....
    Frith about Zorn
    Human Feel3?
    review: Tim Berne/Jon Raskin Quartet in SF
    Re: Shankar
    Re: Shankar
    RE: masada // Dresser
    Hear No Evil
    Re: Shankar
    Re: masada // Dresser
    Re: Douglas/Bennink
    Re: Shankar
    RE: masada // Dresser
    Bailey jungle album
    Re: masada // Dresser
    Ahad Ha'am
    Re: Bailey jungle album
    Re: Shankar
    Re: Bailey jungle album

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From: Greg Mills <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:22:40 -0700
Subject: Shankar

Hi yer

Anyone out there know if Shankar's album "TOUCH ME THERE" is still in release?
I fink it was orginally on Zappa's Bizarre label.

Eat yerself fitter

Greg




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From: slawlor <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:27:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: forbidden fruit question

I was listen to forbidden fruit from the spilain cd and I was wondering
if anyone could tell me what those loud noises are in parts of the song
when he's playing around with the violins?  The noises sound
likesomething is being broken, maybe a violin or something.  I don't know
how else to describe thos strange sounds in this piece.
Also, wouldn't this composition provide for an interesting study in a
music theory or musicology course?

scott K. Lawlor
3358 Prange Dr.
Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223
Phone, 330-922-4895
http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor


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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 17:25:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Shankar

i don't know

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From: "Peter T. Chen" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:15:14 -0800
Subject: Re: forbidden fruit question

>I was listen to forbidden fruit from the spilain cd and I was wondering
>if anyone could tell me what those loud noises are in parts of the song
>when he's playing around with the violins?  The noises sound
>likesomething is being broken, maybe a violin or something.

This may be a stretch but I believe what you are referring to are the
"pops" and "hits" that are being created by Christian Marclay on the
Turntables. Part of the technique described for the piece is for Marclay to
literally hit and scratch the turntable much like Rap DJ's do. And they
amplified it quite a bit.  Also, the recordings selected for turntable were
all string pieces so not all the string sounds you hear are Kronos playing.

>  I don't know
>how else to describe thos strange sounds in this piece.
>Also, wouldn't this composition provide for an interesting study in a
>music theory or musicology course?

>scott K. Lawlor
>3358 Prange Dr.
>Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223
[...]

It has. Down the street from you there in NE Ohio, Claudia MacDonald has
been including Spillane as one part of the curriculum for study in her 20th
Century Music course at the Oberlin Conservatory of Music. Though the only
thing considered particularily remarkable about the recording are JZ's
rapid time/style changes. I'm sure there's a few other schools...

- -Pete

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:39:33 PST
Subject: introduction.....

hello everyone,

I appologize for the test message, I was having problems with my emailer,
etc etc....won't happen again.

anyway, my name is Geoff Gersh, i'm 23, a musican in the NY area, Yonkers
to be exact.  I was on this list a while ago but lost access when i
graduated from school, didn't have email for a while.

I had posted this message a while back, anyone interested in trading
sheet music/recordings in exchange for Masada charts let me know, i have
about 13-15 of them.

I haven't checked out Masada in over a year! I'm looking forward to the
Knitting Factory gigs in December......

I guess thats it for now....talk to everyone soon.....

Geoff Gersh

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:46:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Frith about Zorn

I've been transcribing and translating, from the French, Fred Frith's long
comments about Zorn, Zorn's music and their collaboration, on the
occasion of an extraordinary duo concert by both in Oct. 8, 1988.

My question is: does anybody in the list by any chance know about other
declarations, statements, interviews, or articles about Zorn, by Frith or
by other musicians who played with him or not ? I know David Bailey's
chapter in his "Musical Improvision" (only on the latest edition, by
DaCappo) but I would be interested about references of other
similar writings by musicians.

In the tape I have, Frith's comments about Zorn constitute a very
interesting and in depth elaboration about his music, its meanings and its
techniques. Frith speaks also about his own compositions and how he came
to New York and met Zorn. His comments occupy about one third of their 90
minutes concert. I will be glad to E-mail copies of the translation to
those interested as soon as I finish it. Requests and eventual
responses to my question can be sent to my E-mail address, above,

With thanks,

Jose


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From: Leon Lee/SYBASE <[e-mail]>
Date: 7 Nov 96 10:13:29 EDT
Subject: Human Feel3?

Alright... somebody please say something more about the new Human Feel album.
It's torturous just to hear that, "oh, it's they're best yet..." blah blah
blah.  I've asked for it at Amoeba (SF, CA) and it wasn't in the last time I
checked.  Track listing, catalog #, label, personnel (who is this singer i've
been hearing about?) and all that schmazz.  Thanks.
BTW, can someone tape Masada4 for me?  (just kiddin').

Leon

MASADA in San Francisco.  Yes!

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From: Leon Lee/SYBASE <[e-mail]>
Date: 7 Nov 96 10:51:59 EDT
Subject: review: Tim Berne/Jon Raskin Quartet in SF

Tim Berne - alto & baritone sax
Jon Raskin - alto, baritone and sopranino sax
Michael Formanek - bass (I don't think I spelled his name right)
Elliott Kavee - percussion

@ Venue 9 Wednesday October 30th

Jon Raskin is of the ROVA Sax Quartet.  This show was in a series billed as
'ROVA doing their own ensembles'.
Elliott Kavee is one of the Bay Area's most widely utilized improvising
percussionist, probably most well known for his playing in the Clubfoot
Orchestra

- -- I believe most of the tunes were Berne tunes since they are closely related
to the recent Bloodcount compositions with it's long themes and extended
improvisation through drones and long sustained tones.  Many of the pieces
seemed to be written for paired bari's and altos.  The saxes sounded great
together, bringing out nice overtones eccentuated by the beautifully written
music.  Raskin's sound resembles a flailing firehose.  Lots of dips, sudden
bends, twists and turns all very dynamically specific.  It wasn't screeches,
pops and baring horns all around but only when it was right on and definitely
kept to a minimum.  Berne sounded great (my first time live) and was playing
pretty quietly in that beautiful melodic way often exploring tones sustained
rather than pitches all over the place.  Michael Formanek was an animal and
there were times when he 'cut out' which worked extremely well leaving the
dialogue between saxes and drums to fly freely.  Elliott Kavee is one of my
favorite drummers as of late.  He is sensitive and can play one rhythm to ashes
before moving on.  They had me sitting on the edge of my seat at times
wondering how they were going to pull it back together.  Kavee took the rhythms
so far out while Berne and Raskin streamed through it, loosely lacing it up and
holding it all together.  Awesome.
I really wished I had the capabilities to record it.  Anyone else go?  What did
you think?

Other shows in this series were: Bruce Ackley's Actual Size, Steve Adams/Ken
Filiano Quartet (featuring Vinny Golia and Billy Mintz) and Larry Och's What We
Live.

* ROVA  at the end of this month.
* Masada next week

Leon

btw, anyone checked out Braxton's Tri-Centric Foundation performances in nyc?
I want to know what it's like.  Reviews would be nice...

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From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 11:05:56 -0800
Subject: Re: Shankar

Greg Mills wrote:
>
> Hi yer
>
> Anyone out there know if Shankar's album "TOUCH ME THERE" is still in release?
> I fink it was orginally on Zappa's Bizarre label.
>
> Eat yerself fitter
>
> GregYeah, It made CD on Parking Pumpkin Records. Don't know if it's still
available.

- -Sean



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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:23:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Shankar

> Anyone out there know if Shankar's album "TOUCH ME THERE" is still in release?
> I fink it was orginally on Zappa's Bizarre label.

Is this Shankar the double-headed ten-stringed electric violin shankar we
all know and love?  He's on Zappa's label?  Wierd...

- -jascha


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From: Matt Walsh <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 17:16:00 PST
Subject: RE: masada // Dresser

>>From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n"
>><[e-mail]>
>>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:21:01 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: masada // Dresser
>>
>>Does anyone know how long Zorn is planning to keep doing his Masada
>>project?  I'm wondering if maybe he'll suddenly stop as he did with
Naked
>>City.  Or did Naked City stop releasing stuff because Horvitz moved to
>>Seatle?  Would they have continued otherwise?

I read in an interview with John Zorn quite a few years ago in a local
Philly newspaper that he dissolved Naked City because he felt that the
band had already accomplished everything that it could and had nowhere
else to go musically. So, I would guess that Horvitz really had nothing
to do with it. Unfortunately, I don't know about Masada's future, but I
would assume that he will eventually go in a different direction, much
like he's done his career.

Caught Masada in Philly last Sunday, a fantastic show. A suprisingly
larger venue than I would have expected and even more suprisingly sold
out. Hopefully Zorn won't wait so many years to come back.

Matt Walsh
[e-mail]

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From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:19:25 -0800
Subject: Hear No Evil

Sorry, The store is all out of these Cd's. (And the SXL as well). I asked
them to try to get more and notify me if they do. If I'll buy them and
then post!

- -Sean


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From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:21:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Shankar

Another great album Shankar is on is Peter Gabriel's "Passion".  (Last
temptation of christ soundtrack)  if you don't have it yet, you need it soon.

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Sean Terwilliger wrote:

> Greg Mills wrote:
> >
> > Hi yer
> >
> > Anyone out there know if Shankar's album "TOUCH ME THERE" is still in release?
> > I fink it was orginally on Zappa's Bizarre label.
> >
> > Eat yerself fitter
> >
> > GregYeah, It made CD on Parking Pumpkin Records. Don't know if it's still
> available.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:04:11 -0800
Subject: Re: masada // Dresser

On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:21:01 -0400 (EDT)  "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know how long Zorn is planning to keep doing his Masada
> project?  I'm wondering if maybe he'll suddenly stop as he did with Naked

Don't know (does Zorn even know?), but DIW plans to go up to number 10!!!

Tzadik might wait a little bit before releasing the LIVE IN JERUSALEM and the
LIVE AT MOGADOR (in order to avoid flooding the market).

> City.  Or did Naked City stop releasing stuff because Horvitz moved to
> Seatle?  Would they have continued otherwise?

Wayne moved to Seattle late '89, at the same time as Bill Frisell (they are
in fact neighbors!). As you know, most of Naked City activity is posterior
to these moves... Hence: no connexion between the moves and the band stopping
any activity.

    Patrice (back from 8 weeks of sabbatical in France!!!)

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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:05:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Douglas/Bennink

On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 18:29:04 -0300  James Hale wrote:
>
> The word from Songlines boss Tony Reif is that this should be out in
> November. The holdup has been finding a new distributor for the label.

I was in NY between October 15 and 25 and I am pretty sure that I
saw it. Could have I been victim of an optical illusion?

    Patrice (I really wonder if I really saw it :-).

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From: Brian Carlson <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:24:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Shankar

>> GregYeah, It made CD on Parking Pumpkin Records. Don't know if it's still
>available.
>
>-Sean
>

It's Barking Pumpkin.  I believe they can be contacted at 818-PUMPKIN or you
can email them at <[e-mail]>

Brian

Learn as if to live forever; live as if to die tomorrow - unknown


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From: Matt Walsh <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 17:16:00 PST
Subject: RE: masada // Dresser

>>From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n"
>><[e-mail]>
>>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:21:01 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: masada // Dresser
>>
>>Does anyone know how long Zorn is planning to keep doing his Masada
>>project?  I'm wondering if maybe he'll suddenly stop as he did with
Naked
>>City.  Or did Naked City stop releasing stuff because Horvitz moved to
>>Seatle?  Would they have continued otherwise?

I read in an interview with John Zorn quite a few years ago in a local
Philly newspaper that he dissolved Naked City because he felt that the
band had already accomplished everything that it could and had nowhere
else to go musically. So, I would guess that Horvitz really had nothing
to do with it. Unfortunately, I don't know about Masada's future, but I
would assume that he will eventually go in a different direction, much
like he's done his career.

Caught Masada in Philly last Sunday, a fantastic show. A suprisingly
larger venue than I would have expected and even more suprisingly sold
out. Hopefully Zorn won't wait so many years to come back.

Matt Walsh
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:09:22 -0500
Subject: Bailey jungle album

Does anybody know where the Derek Bailey jungle album can be found?  I
thought i saw it listed on the Forced Exposure website but it's not there
anymore.  What's the title & label?  I heard a track on the radio and it
sounded great.

Thanks,
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 03:53:28 -0500
Subject: Re: masada // Dresser

In a message dated 96-11-07 22:52:20 EST, [e-mail] (Matt Walsh)
writes:

> Caught Masada in Philly last Sunday, a fantastic show. A suprisingly
>  larger venue than I would have expected and even more suprisingly sold
>  out. Hopefully Zorn won't wait so many years to come back.

Does anybody know who the bassist was at this show?  I assume he will be on
the whole tour.

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From: DANIEL BITTON <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:35:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ahad Ha'am

Just out of curiosity, does anybody know anything about the Zornian view
on the Middle East Isreali/Palestinian situation? Ahad Ha'am (the guy
that the Masada discs are dedicated to) was a leader in the philosophy of
a Jewish cultural center in Palestine within the existing structure in
cooperation with the Palestinians rather than an actual Jewish state.
Just wondering if anybody's read anything in interview or anything like that.

>
> Don't know (does Zorn even know?), but DIW plans to go up to number 10!!!
>
> Tzadik might wait a little bit before releasing the LIVE IN JERUSALEM and the
> LIVE AT MOGADOR (in order to avoid flooding the market).
>
> > City.  Or did Naked City stop releasing stuff because Horvitz moved to
> > Seatle?  Would they have continued otherwise?
>
> Wayne moved to Seattle late '89, at the same time as Bill Frisell (they are
> in fact neighbors!). As you know, most of Naked City activity is posterior
> to these moves... Hence: no connexion between the moves and the band stopping
> any activity.
>
>     Patrice (back from 8 weeks of sabbatical in France!!!)
>

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 11:51:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Bailey jungle album

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Does anybody know where the Derek Bailey jungle album can be found?  I
> thought i saw it listed on the Forced Exposure website but it's not there
> anymore.  What's the title & label?  I heard a track on the radio and it
> sounded great.

It's called "Guitar, Drums'n'Bass" and it's on Zorn's Japanese Avant
label, which is currently sort of in distribution limbo while some things
are getting sorted out both here and abroad.  It is a pretty great
album and reconfirms that Derek is truly a remarkable innovator,
still pushing forward into new and unexpected territories (I guess the
upcoming performances and recording with Pat Metheny could be seen in
that light as well).

I have heard that Derek has copies available through Incus mailorder.
Unfortunately I don't have that address handy, but if anyone wants to
jump in here...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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From: Greg Mills <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:32:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Shankar

>> Anyone out there know if Shankar's album "TOUCH ME THERE" is still in
>>release?
>> I fink it was orginally on Zappa's Bizarre label.
>
>Is this Shankar the double-headed ten-stringed electric violin shankar we
>all know and love?  He's on Zappa's label?  Wierd...
>
>-jascha

Yepper.

This album was produced by Zappa in the early 80's and it features the
vocal talents of Zappa and Ike Willis from the Mothers on a couple of songs
(and i think Zappa makes guitar sounds on it too). Picture Shankar playing
Zappa and you hit the nail on the head.

if you just read the back of the sleeve, you'd swear it's a Zappa album by
the song titles alone -- like "Knee Deep in Waterheaters".

A really good, really weird effort.

Vootie,

Greg




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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:37:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Bailey jungle album

On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 11:51:59 -0800  Steve Smith wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody know where the Derek Bailey jungle album can be found?  I
> > thought i saw it listed on the Forced Exposure website but it's not there
> > anymore.  What's the title & label?  I heard a track on the radio and it
> > sounded great.
>
> It's called "Guitar, Drums'n'Bass" and it's on Zorn's Japanese Avant
> label, which is currently sort of in distribution limbo while some things
> are getting sorted out both here and abroad.  It is a pretty great
> album and reconfirms that Derek is truly a remarkable innovator,
> still pushing forward into new and unexpected territories (I guess the
> upcoming performances and recording with Pat Metheny could be seen in
> that light as well).
>
> I have heard that Derek has copies available through Incus mailorder.
> Unfortunately I don't have that address handy, but if anyone wants to
> jump in here...

Sphere Marketting in his last update catalog listed it as available.

Sphere Marketing & Distribution
Cargo Bldg 80 Rm 2A
JFK International Airport
Jamaica NY 11430
Phone: [phone]
FAX: [phone]
Internet: [e-mail]

    Patrice.

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