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Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #12
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zorn-list Digest Saturday, 24 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 012
In this issue:
Frisell
Re: frisco patton/zorn gig
Re: Frisell
Re: Film Works
Kato Hideki's Newest
Re: Frisell
Borbetomagus homepage ...
Re: fan the flames / purists will scoff
Laswell Live
Re: Laswell Live
Re: Kato Hideki's Newest
Re: Laswell Live
Re: Laswell Live
[none]
Dalet availability
Re: Dalet availability
Re: Dalet availability
Re: Laswell Live
Bobby Previte's The Horse
Re: Laswell Live
Dark Massive
MASADA LIVE/Jazz Door.
Re: MASADA LIVE/Jazz Door.
Re: Laswell Live
Re: MASADA LIVE/Jazz Door.
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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Frisell
So, i'd like to maybe hear some of what mr. frisell has been up to. The
store near me has the 'quartet' cd and a live CD with joey barron and (i
think) Kermit D. (i think). It has a very colourful cover, at any rate,
and is about 70 minutes long and was recorded in 93 or around then.
Are these representative of his better stuff? Being a huge joey barron
fan, would i like the live thing better than the other album?
- -jascha
------------------------------
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:31:19 +0000
Subject: Re: frisco patton/zorn gig
david m rothbaum wrote:
>
> did anyone go? if so id be interested in hearing a reveiw of the gig.
i went. i found it to be very up and down. some parts were fantastic, with
patton making stockhausen-esque electronic gurgles and rmbles, etc as
well as some interesting vocal stuff, kind of eye meets minton. other parts
seemed very mundane, with patton playing prerecorded music as a
backdrop for soloing. zorn was in his typical free improv mode, and was
pretty consistently on, if not inspired.
this was childs-play compared to what happened the following night at
Venue Nine, before zorn's cobra show. there was a mostly unannounced
reunion of the group Twins (zorn/ackley/chadbourne/kaiser) who last
played together about 20 years ago. this was the best thing i've seen zorn
do, in years. totally amazing improvisation covering the full dynamic
spectrum from whispering acoustic guitar sounds to full on wailing saxes.
it was a magic moment, seeing zorn & chadbourne reunited, not to mention
zorn and kaiser on the same stage (there's no shortage of hostility between
them!) it's too bad no one recorded this show. perhaps they'll be inspired
to make a recording in the near future.
shiurba
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:40:21 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Re: Frisell
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
> So, i'd like to maybe hear some of what mr. frisell has been up to. The
> store near me has the 'quartet' cd and a live CD with joey barron and (i
> think) Kermit D. (i think). It has a very colourful cover, at any rate,
> and is about 70 minutes long and was recorded in 93 or around then.
>
> Are these representative of his better stuff?
Yes!
> Being a huge joey barron fan, would i like the live thing better than the
> other album?
Yep, since Joey doesn't play in his quartet...
Jonas
------------------------------
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Film Works
On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote:
> I'd buy the first one first, since it's longer, has zorn playing on it,
> has more variety, and is more in line with zorn's jump-cut insanity.
true. however, the first is really a
compilation of a number of soundtracks,
which accounts for the changes and styles.
whereas, the second is a single soundtrack
for a single film.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
------------------------------
From: Barry Gilbert <barry.gilbert@internetmci.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:04:21 -0500
Subject: Kato Hideki's Newest
- -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
I just got Kato Hideki's newest, Hope and Despair (Extreme 036). I don't
recall if it's been discussed here. It's a beautiful, haunting, kind of
quiet recording. I gather that some of the recordings were done live, some
in the studio. Some of the tracks have an off-mic feel to some of the
instruments, a sound I'm not usually fond of (except for Ayler, of course),
but it seems to add to the theme of the music, especially the despair part.
There are some excellent performance by the contributors including Zeena
Parkins, Dougie Bowne, Zorn (on piano only!!!) and a lot of japanese names
I'm not familiar with.
Barry Gilbert
Boulder, CO
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:13:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Frisell
In a message dated 96-08-20 16:14:54 EDT,
jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n)
writes:
> So, i'd like to maybe hear some of what mr. frisell has been up to. The
> store near me has the 'quartet' cd and a live CD with joey barron and (i
> think) Kermit D. (i think). It has a very colourful cover, at any rate,
> and is about 70 minutes long and was recorded in 93 or around then.
I highly recommend the "Live" disc. The trio was some of my favorite
Frisell.
> Are these representative of his better stuff? Being a huge joey barron
> fan, would i like the live thing better than the other album?
You mean Joey Baron?? (-:
------------------------------
From: pmcarey@students.wisc.edu (Patrick Carey)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:01:06 -0500
Subject: Borbetomagus homepage ...
Hi all,
Borbetomagus now have a homepage at:
http://www.j51.com/~borbeto
Go check it out!
- -Patrick
------------------------------
From: David Newgarden <dn@panix.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:30:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: fan the flames / purists will scoff
> not really a jungle record
> although there are remixes, Bailey is Bailey
> Techno always seems so flat, contrived, un-human
> Derek's guitar work over programmed drums is quite intelligent
I think the new Bailey record IS a really terrific JUNGLE record. I've
been listening to it a lot, and it puts me in the mood to hear more
jungle/drum n bass, rather than more Bailey/Incus/improv.
If by chance someone gets interested by hearing this album, a couple of
recent recommendations of d'n'b albums that aren't 'flat, contrived,
un-human':
Plug "Drum N Bass for Papa" (Blue Angel UK)
Squarepusher "Feed Me Weird Things" (Warp UK) -- if this were Jaco
Pastorius' answer to Bailey's Gtr/drum/bass album it would be the best
album Jaco ever made. If he were alive. Urmmmm..this is much better than
you're thinking...highly recommended even if you hate fusion.
> Purists will scoff, but i really liked Arcana with Laswell and Williams
> and with the DJ, new listeners will get hooked by the beats
> and eventually LISTEN to the guitar
On the other hand -- I definitely will not be listening to the Bailey /
Tony Williams / Bill Laswell album ever again.
------------------------------
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <wilson@suba.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:07:55 -0500
Subject: Laswell Live
I recently bought two Laswell disks I had never heard of (Web and
Antilles), and after sifting through my collection of laswell's ambient
disks (of which he has made approximatly two times too many), and I
realized I had never heard of any of it being performed live.
Does he perform these? Are there tapes circulating? Who's got them?
Also, I'm looking to trade for any other of his performances. I have
some cool things to offer. Drop me a line...
read icculus
------------------------------
From: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:31:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Laswell Live
At 5:07 PM 8/21/96, Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
> I recently bought two Laswell disks I had never heard of (Web and
>Antilles), and after sifting through my collection of laswell's ambient
>disks (of which he has made approximatly two times too many), and I
>realized I had never heard of any of it being performed live.
> Does he perform these? Are there tapes circulating? Who's got them?
>
> Also, I'm looking to trade for any other of his performances. I have
>some cool things to offer. Drop me a line...
As far as I know, the only live shows in the US that Laswell has done for
several years are Painkiller and Praxis shows. And there were only two
Praxis shows, one in San Francisco last November and one in NYC in July.
Praxis has toured Europe also. And the more interesting live concerts have
been in Asia.
There was a tour in Asia by the Flying Mijinko Band, which had a huge
number of people in it, led by Akira Sakata, that was pressed on CD in
Japan. It's a double CD and it is incredible, but I have not heard of it
being available anywhere. The publisher was the Japan Foundation rather
than a real label, which may explain its non-availability.
Watch the Axiom Web Site (URL below) for announcements.
Jeff
jeffs@hyperreal.com
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
------------------------------
From: Barry Gilbert <barry.gilbert@internetmci.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:15:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Kato Hideki's Newest
- -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
> >
> >I just got Kato Hideki's newest, Hope and Despair (Extreme 036).
>
> Where did you get this at? Was it off the net? I have been waiting for
some
> new Extreme releases for quite a while. They haven't updated their web
page in
> months and it says their ordering system is off-line.
>
I got it on my recent trip to NYC, either at Downtown Music Gallery or
Other Music. I bought about 25 CD's at these places and Tower and HMV. I
was like a kid at Christmas! I found Andrea Centazzo's _Environment for
Sextet_, (which I'd been looking for for a while), the two new Ornette CD's,
a fabulous new Frith recording (on RecRec with Cora, Joey Baron & George
Cartwright), the newest John Patton, Minor Swing, (with some of Zorn's best
playing ever), a great Nurse With Wound, a classic by Luc Ferrari (Presque
Rien), a new one by Carol Emanuel (just out on Koch and I believe it's her
first solo recording. It features Bobby Previte, Marty Erlich, Marc Ribot,
Hark Roberts and Guy Klucevsek and a version of Zorn's Tasmanian Devil). A
bunch of other cool stuff, too. I've got enough to keep me happy for at
least a week or two. :-)
Barry Gilbert
Boulder, CO
------------------------------
From: seanter@ix.netcom.com (Sean Terwilliger )
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:55:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Laswell Live
You wrote:
>
> I recently bought two Laswell disks I had never heard of (Web and
>Antilles), and after sifting through my collection of laswell's
^^^^^^^^^^
What is this? I've never heard of it...
- -Sean
------------------------------
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <wilson@suba.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:28:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Laswell Live
>> I recently bought two Laswell disks I had never heard of (Web and
>>Antilles), and after sifting through my collection of laswell's
>^^^^^^^^^^
>
>What is this? I've never heard of it...
It's hard to explain. The names on the disk are Haruomi Hosono, G.
Hotoda, B. Laswell, and Y.Terada
Other than that, nothing much is decipherable except that it was released
in 96 by Studio Garage, Inc.
It seems pretty good, though. "Percussive Ambient" would be a good
discription, I think.
read icculus
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:22:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [none]
Does anybody know if there's any way to contact John Zorn? Does he get
mail if you send it to Tzadik or something? A P.O. box maybe?
thanks
------------------------------
From: Colin Mackay <colin@lscope.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:35:33 +0100
Subject: Dalet availability
Fellow citizorns...
hi. i'm new to this group & i figure this is prob. a faq.
i've been trying in vain to get my mitts on Masada 4 but i'm not having
any luck... can anyone tell me of a source of masada4 in the UK? i'd
really appreciate any help with this one.
btw, i've got the others, and they are truly *brilliant*
tata,
colin
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Dalet availability
My friend got someone to read the Japanese inside the Masada CD's and it
turns out that to get Daled you have to send the three proofs of purchse
(those gold paper things that cover the spine in japanese) of Masada 1 2
3 to the office in Japan. It's some kind of EP with just four songs on
it. I don't have it so I don't know for sure. At least that's how you get it
in Canada, I don't know about the US or UK. Maybe in the US they don't get
the Japanese versions so they know what to do. Your best bet is getting
someone who reads Japanese to tell you the spiel.
Happy hunting
> i've been trying in vain to get my mitts on Masada 4 but i'm not having
> any luck... can anyone tell me of a source of masada4 in the UK? i'd
> really appreciate any help with this one.
>
------------------------------
From: Brian Beuchaw <beuchaw@interaccess.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:19:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Dalet availability
On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, DANIEL BITTON wrote:
>
>
> My friend got someone to read the Japanese inside the Masada CD's and it
> turns out that to get Daled you have to send the three proofs of purchse
> (those gold paper things that cover the spine in japanese) of Masada 1 2
> 3 to the office in Japan. It's some kind of EP with just four songs on
> it. I don't have it so I don't know for sure. At least that's how you get it
> in Canada, I don't know about the US or UK. Maybe in the US they don't get
> the Japanese versions so they know what to do. Your best bet is getting
> someone who reads Japanese to tell you the spiel.
>
> Happy hunting
Don't even bother - it's sold out (or more correctly, out-of-stock and
unavailable from Japan at any price). You were able to send in the proofs
of purchase (or copies of the covers) along with some IRCs, but the offer
expired months ago. It was very limited (but I don't know the final #).
cya
brian
------------------------------
From: seanter@ix.netcom.com (Sean Terwilliger )
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 06:13:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Laswell Live
You wrote:
>
>
>>> I recently bought two Laswell disks I had never heard of (Web and
>>>Antilles), and after sifting through my collection of laswell's
>>^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>What is this? I've never heard of it...
>
>
> It's hard to explain. The names on the disk are Haruomi Hosono, G.
>Hotoda, B. Laswell, and Y.Terada
>Other than that, nothing much is decipherable except that it was
released
>in 96 by Studio Garage, Inc.
>It seems pretty good, though. "Percussive Ambient" would be a good
>discription, I think.
>
Oh, OK. Antilles is the record lable. It's called N.D.E. and it's
officialy a Hosono release. If you didn't know... you can peel off the
front cover for all album info...
- -Sean
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:53:54 -0700
Subject: Bobby Previte's The Horse
A few weeks ago, at someone's request, I posted the approximate lineup of
Bobby Previte's new band The Horse. Now, from Bobby's latest flyer, here
is the updated, accurate version:
Mark Feldman, Lindsey Horner, Herb Robertson, Jamie Saft, Jon Dryden,
Adam Kolker, Peter Epstein, Stephan Crump, Pete McCann, John Mettam,
Peter Basil, Bobby Previte. A lot of these players I don't know myself,
so I can't say what everyone does. But here's the band's "mission
statement," courtesy of Bobby:
"The Horse is a new band that for now is concentrated on the music of the
early 70's - a forgotten era, a grand exhalation, with the biggest breath
pushed out by Miles Davis and band in the 'Bitches Brew' period. Not a
'tribute' band nor a recreation, The Horse uses the spirit of that time
as a clarion call to come out of the gate with all ears pinned back."
Absolutely free, every Tuesday night in the Tap Bar of the Knitting
Factory. I think they start at 11:30.
Best,
Steve
ssmith@kochint.com
P.S. Jason / IOUetc., please get back in touch with me. I've lost yer
e-mail address...
- --
=======================================================================
Manager Publicity & Promotion, KOCH International L.P.
2 Tri-Harbor Court, Port Washington, NY 11050
<ssmith@kochint.com>
------------------------------
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:18:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Laswell Live
Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
>
> >Oh, OK. Antilles is the record lable. It's called N.D.E. and it's
> >officialy a Hosono release. If you didn't know... you can peel off the
> >front cover for all album info...
>
> I can? Could you explain this a little more? I don't really see what
> peels off....
The front (where you can vaguely read the CD name) is covered by a grey
film. You can peel it from the corner. Underneath is track listings, who
plays, produces, etc...
- -Sean
------------------------------
From: seanter@ix.netcom.com (Sean Terwilliger )
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:41:06 -0700
Subject: Dark Massive
Anyone have any clue about the _Dark Massive_ 2X CD (inc multimedia)
Laswell disc listed in CDnow? At first it was scheduled to be released
last month, but has just been listd as unavailable for a while now...
- -Sean
------------------------------
From: Stickman <stickman@warwick.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:30:01 -0700
Subject: MASADA LIVE/Jazz Door.
I managed to track this CD down. does anyone know:
1) Date of show
2)Venue
3)Is it really Kenny Wollesen on drums? It does sound like joey. I think
I even hear zorn say, "Joey!" during the drum solo in track 7(Ravayah),
which he does when joey plays to get him to go faster and harder. I can't
tell. Joey has a very distinct harsh ride cymbal which I think i hear on
this CD. But on the other hand, Joey doesn't put anything in his bass
drum, and has a "hollow" sound. THe bass drum on this cd sounds
"deadened".
Any comments? Patrice? Anyone?-
STICKMAN
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:35:06 -0700
Subject: Re: MASADA LIVE/Jazz Door.
On Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:30:01 -0700 Stickman wrote:
>
> I managed to track this CD down. does anyone know:
>
> 1) Date of show
> 2)Venue
> 3)Is it really Kenny Wollesen on drums? It does sound like joey. I think
> I even hear zorn say, "Joey!" during the drum solo in track 7(Ravayah),
> which he does when joey plays to get him to go faster and harder. I can't
> tell. Joey has a very distinct harsh ride cymbal which I think i hear on
> this CD. But on the other hand, Joey doesn't put anything in his bass
> drum, and has a "hollow" sound. THe bass drum on this cd sounds
> "deadened".
There is something strange about this record. Stefan Negele has a video
of this concert (he played the record and the video at the same time and
they match perfectly!). The funny thing is that the video is about a
concert recorded at the Fabrik in Hamburg on November 12, 1994 (and not
NY as mentioned on the sleeve). Because the record is more or less a
bootleg...
No info concerning the drummer.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Deborah Christman <gimpys@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:19:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Laswell Live
i want OFF this
list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
------------------------------
From: Deborah Christman <gimpys@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:19:54 -0700
Subject: Re: MASADA LIVE/Jazz Door.
i want OFF this list !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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