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To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #10
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zorn-list Digest Wednesday, 14 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 010
In this issue:
Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Re: B. Previte, A. Fier, A. Parkins
Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
Re. Denman Maroney on Parkins, et.al.
Re: B. Previte, A. Fier, A. Parkins
Bobby Previte
Bobby Previte's "The Horse"
Christian Marclay on CD??
Re: Christian Marclay on CD??
message for Alain Potvin...
Re: whoops
Re: Christian Marclay on CD??
[none]
More News for Lulu = OP
Re: whoops
Re: Christian Marclay on CD??
Zorn/Cobra in San Francisco
Re: Bobby Previte's "The Horse"
extra zorn show 8/13 in SF
Butch Morris: Testament
Parachute Years CD, Mori, etc.
Re: Butch Morris: Testament
Eric Dolphy
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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 08:22:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:54:34 -0700 xander@sirius.com wrote:
>
>
> >Caspar is of course the son of you know who.
>
> Seems like this may be common knowledge, but I don't know anything about
> the father. ?
Peter Brotzmann, one of the fathers of the European free improvisation
scene. One of the founders of the music coop. Free Music Production
(FMP). Initially influenced by people such as Ayler, Coltrane, but soon found
his own way. MACHINE GUN (recorded in May 1968) is *THE* masterpiece of
European improv. Before, people could think that European were following
the US; with MACHINE GUN (and later with Music Improvisation Company),
you have one of the first testimonies of European free players creating a
new style. Even in 1996 this record is still amazing and a must!!!
Brotzmann, besides tenor, plays exotic intruments such as Taragot (a kind of
wooden soprano, from Eastern Europe) and bass saxophone.
He has his name on easily 150 records; has recorded quite a bit solo; known
as a key player of the Globe Unity Orchestra (big band dedicated to free
improv.); famous for his trio with Fred Van Hove (piano/organ) and Han
Bennink (drums), etc.
In short: with Derek Bailey, Evan Parker, Willem Breuker, Alex Schlippenbach,
one the most influential European improvisors!
> >> I also spotted an Ikue Mori title that's new to me:
> >>
> >> Garden
> >
> >That's her first solo record on Tzadik. Is it really out? It was announced
> >for August 20
>
> As far as the catalogue that I saw the title in goes, the shop has always
> implied that the lists were of items received in the shop. But we should
> know soon enough.
Interesting.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 08:28:05 -0700
Subject: Re: B. Previte, A. Fier, A. Parkins
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:54:48 -0700 xander@sirius.com wrote:
>
> Lastly, I saw a newish release on KFW by Andrea Parkins. Accordianist.
> Who I would assume is one of Zeena's sisters? Anyone heard her?
She is a cousin of Zeena. I saw her at The Cooler and liked her a lot.
She plays on JAZZ TRASH by Ellery Esklelin (on Songlines), a very
interesting record that I recommend (with Jim Black on drums). I am eager
to get this record (and her first, under her name).
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:53:04 -0700
Subject: Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
At 8:22 AM 8/9/96, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>Peter Brotzmann...He has his name on easily 150 records; has recorded
>quite a >bit solo; known
>as a key player of the Globe Unity Orchestra (big band dedicated to free
>improv.); famous for his trio with Fred Van Hove (piano/organ) and Han
>Bennink (drums), etc.
>
Last Exit as well.
Jeff
jeffs@hyperreal.com
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 11:16:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Subsonic 4 and Ikue Mori
On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:53:04 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> At 8:22 AM 8/9/96, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> >Peter Brotzmann...He has his name on easily 150 records; has recorded
> >quite a >bit solo; known
> >as a key player of the Globe Unity Orchestra (big band dedicated to free
> >improv.); famous for his trio with Fred Van Hove (piano/organ) and Han
> >Bennink (drums), etc.
> >
>
> Last Exit as well.
^^^^^^^^^^
You bet!
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jbivins@indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:24:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re. Denman Maroney on Parkins, et.al.
I agree with Denman Maroney's comments on Andrea Parkins. "Jazz Trash" is
a disc that I think many on this list would (or already do) enjoy. Ellery
is a great improviser (check his Soul Note date, "Figure of Speech", too
- - as well as Mark Helias' "Loopin the Cool"), and the chance to hear both
Parkins and Eskelin with the great Jim Black is not to be missed.
As for my two cents on Bobby Previte, I think he's incredible. I know that
many others on this list (I can at least recall Patrice's favorable
reviews) agree, and I think virtually all of his own records are well
worth checking out - he assembles great bands, he's a really good drummer,
and his writing is at times simply marvellous. If anyone's looking for
first purchases, I would look into the Avant disc ("Slay the Suitors" by
Empty Suits) and "Hue and Cry" by his other band Weather Clear Track Fast.
Jason Bivins
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 13:36:38 -0700
Subject: Re: B. Previte, A. Fier, A. Parkins
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:54:48 -0700 xander@sirius.com wrote:
>
> I'm interested in anyone's opinions on Bobby Previte, Anton Fier, and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Previte might be the most "jazz" musician of the NY downtown scene. Although
he has been involved in many improv situations (I even doubt there could exist
one in which he was not involved :-), when he is in total control (bands
under his leadership), his music has very little to do with the sound
associated to the NY downtown scene. Jazz is one of his main influences, but
also contemporary music (he has, I think, a special passion for great
orchestrators).
The craftmanship of Bobby amazes me. I think he is one of the most gifted
composers we can find in jazz, these days. His compositions are so upbeat and
so well crafted, that you really feel that every note is justified and has
been deeply thought about. My top favorite records by him are:
032 - CLAUDE'S LATE MORNING: Bobby Previte (1988 - Gramavision, 18-8811-2)
040 - EMPTY SUITS: Bobby Previte (1990 - Gramavision (USA), R2 79447)
053 - WEATHER CLEAR, TRACK FAST: B. Previte (1991 - Enja Records, R2 79667)
It would be hard for me to choose between any of these three because I
think they are all fantastic.
One great thing also with his compositions, is that they pull the best
out of the musicians he selects. It is my feeling that playing in one of
his bands is a great moment. Surprisingly, for a drummer composer,
there is no room for him to demonstrate as a player. He writes for the
other players, not for him. His job, in his bands, is to support the
others and he does that in such an efficient and unobstrusive way.
As if it was not enough, Bobby is a fantastic drummer and it is always a
pleasure to watch him playing (he seems to have so much fun).
I could also add that when some of his compositions appear on records by
other people (such as Guy Klucevsek, Carol Emanuel, NY Composers Orchestra,
etc), they are often the ones I prefer.
A total artist!
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: Mark Corroto <mcorroto@alumni.ysu.edu>
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 20:35:08 -0500
Subject: Bobby Previte
Also check out Mr. Previte on Jane Ira Bloom's
latest release on Arabesque, "The Nearness"
His inside playing gets lots of attention
and together with Bloom, actual compositions AND
arrangements are important
Mark Corroto
SoS Jazz
------------------------------
From: Torsten Nielsen <zoopsi@inet.uni-c.dk>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:06:42 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Bobby Previte's "The Horse"
What's the lineup for Previte's "The Horse"?
------------------------------
From: windeyer@inforamp.net (Richard C. Windeyer)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:58:01 +0000
Subject: Christian Marclay on CD??
Hello.
Is there someone out there in possesion of Christian Maclay's complete
discography?
Is there a collected works of Christian Maclay recording in existence or in
the works? If not, I would at least be interested in a rundown of his
discography, not to mention installations and visual work...
Thanks
Richard
_______________________________________
R i c h a r d W i n d e y e r
composer/sound designer
windeyer@inforamp.com
http://www.inforamp.net/~windeyer
(416) 538-4808
______________________________________________
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From: "M.Ho" <mus4mth@atlas.vcu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 96 13:06:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Christian Marclay on CD??
>
> Hello.
>
> Is there someone out there in possesion of Christian Maclay's complete
> discography?
>
> Is there a collected works of Christian Maclay recording in existence or in
> the works? If not, I would at least be interested in a rundown of his
> discography, not to mention installations and visual works
Patrice has a discography on the NWU homepage. I didnt realize he was
a visual artist also. I'd like to know more about this aspect. If
anyone's from virginia, he will be here next year as apart of the
Virginia Museum's Fast/Forward series, which is a series of avant-garde
artist/performers/musicians, with d.j. spooky. Henry Threadgill will also be
in the series. Can anyone give me some reviews/info on him too?
------------------------------
From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <jwnarves@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:17:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: message for Alain Potvin...
My mail keeps bouncing, i don't know why. Just wanted to say thanks for
the naked city video...it was a satisfyingly brutal 2 hours! Too bad the
'closing' twenty songs didn't get on to the tape.
- -jascha
------------------------------
From: IOUaLive1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 15:08:40 -0400
Subject: Re: whoops
In a message dated 96-08-09 10:46:43 EDT, herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy) writes:
> Uh, the term "bootleg" has nothing to do with whether money changes hands.
> It has to do with the legitimacy of the the product under consideration,
> being derived from a method of smuggling, ie, bringing something where it
> is not allowed.
> The erroneous use of the term "bootleg" is quite common in situation such
> as the one below, in which someone wants to obscure the fact that the
major
> moral problem with bootleg recordings is NOT economic, but respect for
> artistic control of how one's work is presented.
Uh, your definition of the term does not apply to the recording thats was
discussed. Were you at the show? Did you notice the mics in the air?? It's
good that you are a believer in moral rights, but dont speak for another
artist regarding his "artistic control".
------------------------------
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 15:39:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Christian Marclay on CD??
On Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:58:01 +0000 windeyer@inforamp.net wrote:
>
> Is there someone out there in possesion of Christian Maclay's complete
> discography?
I have one on the WNUR site that, I believe, is fairly complete.
WNUR-FM JazzWeb:
http://www.nwu.edu/WNUR/jazz/
> Is there a collected works of Christian Maclay recording in existence or in
> the works? If not, I would at least be interested in a rundown of his
^^^^^^^^^
No. I am not even sure if I know of any living composer with such collected
works :-).
> discography, not to mention installations and visual work...
Unfortunately, the discography has little to say about his installations and
visual work.
Patrice.
------------------------------
From: DANIEL BITTON <d_bitto@alcor.concordia.ca>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 20:21:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [none]
I'm going to be in NYC for ten days starting on the 22nd. Does anyone
know if Big Johnny Zorn is playing in anywhere in town from the 22nd 'til
the 1st of Sept? I saw Masada at Victoriaville and it jizzed my brains
out. Also, just out of curiosity, does anyone know what kind of Jewish name
Zorn is?
thanks
------------------------------
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:25:12 -0400
Subject: More News for Lulu = OP
Just got the new Hat Art catalog and it lists More News as out of print
(along with Taylor's Garden, a couple of Braxton titles, etc). I've heard
that many more will be unavailable when they sell out.
By the way, does anybody know of a good source of jazz cutouts?
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
------------------------------
From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:53:55 -0700
Subject: Re: whoops
"IOUaLive1@aol.com" wrote:
>Uh, your definition of the term does not apply to the recording thats was
>discussed. Were you at the show? Did you notice the mics in the air?? It's
>good that you are a believer in moral rights, but dont speak for another
>artist regarding his "artistic control".
Plenty of performances get taped for lots of reasons: work in progress,
new gear, favors for friends, potential release in some format. This
doesn't mean that it's always right for copies of these tapes to get
around. Just 'cause something is taped with the knowledge of an artist
doesn't mean they want the tape to be heard by anyone other than the band
or whoever else they made it for.
I was involved in producing a radio series that was on public radio about
five years ago, which included a live performance by the old Frisell trio.
Despite sound checks & preliminary recordings that seemed okay, the final
tape didn't sound right to the band. The playing was fine, the recording
was clean, but Driscoll's bass sound wasn't quite right. Another
performance (the live show from Spain that was commerically released last
year) was substituted. At that performance there were "mics in the air"
but a copy of the tape in circulation would be an unauthorized tape, a
bootleg.
Arguments in favor of bootlegs solely from an economic standpoint like
"I've bought all the commercially available stuff already," only deal with
a part of the story of unauthorized circulation of an artist's work. & the
other quibbling that goes into all of this: "it's only a bootleg if money
changes hands", "the artist knew that this tape was made, so it's okay",
etc. only obscure the issues more.
I know that lots of folks on this list & elsewhere trade tapes of shows. &
I know that it's unlikely that I'm going to change any minds about the
issues involved. I'm not a cop, I'm not your dad, do what you want.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
------------------------------
From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:54:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Christian Marclay on CD??
>> Is there a collected works of Christian Maclay recording in existence or in
>> the works? If not, I would at least be interested in a rundown of his
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
>No. I am not even sure if I know of any living composer with such collected
>works :-).
This'd probably be impossible for improvisors, but a few people who "only"
compose come pretty close.
One example that comes to mind is Conlon Nancarrow, an American expatriate
composer living in Mexico City, who primarily writes for player pianos.
All but his last 3 or 4 pieces (a little more than half an hour) are
available on CD.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
------------------------------
From: bone@best.com
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:17:38 -0700
Subject: Zorn/Cobra in San Francisco
John Zorn will be appearing the next two nights at Slim's in San Francisco,
Monday 8/12 with Mike Patton, and Tuesday 8/13 as prompter for Cobra
(featuring Mike Patton, Trey Sruance, Trevor Dunn, Tim Perkis, Casey Ward,
Danny Heifitz, David Slusser, Lyle Ellis, William Wimant, John Schott &
Carla Khilsteat).
Has anyone attended any recent performances? I recently picked up Pattons
"Adult Themes" which I like quite a bit (and have used to caller's
confusion as background sound for my answering machine message). I also
enjoy the Cobra recordings I have. I'm trying to decide if I can make it
to both shows - any input?
Bob Forgione
------------------------------
From: Steve Smith <ssmith@kochint.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:51:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte's "The Horse"
At 01:06 PM 8/10/96 +0200, you wrote:
>What's the lineup for Previte's "The Horse"?
>
>
It's a rotating cast of characters, based around the current lineup of
Bobby's Weather Clear, Track Fast band: Lindsey Horner, bass; Andy Laster,
saxes, flute, clarinet; Andrew d'Angelo, saxes, bass clarinet; Cuong Vu,
trumpet; Jamie Saft, keyboards; Curtis Hasselbring, trombone; Previte. But
since it's been working the Knitting Factory's "Late Night Player's Hang,"
it's often joined by guests such as Marty Ehrlich, Mark Helias, Dave Douglas
and other leading downtown jazz types.
By the way, the name "The Horse" is an abbreviation of the band's full name,
which is itself a reaction to the conservatism rampant in the programming of
New York's jazz clubs. The notion of a sprawling large ensemble playing
plugged-in music from the late '60s-early '70s (Miles's Bitches Brew, Herbie
Hancock's Mwandishi, etc.) being unappealing to those conservative clubs,
Bobby put his ensemble into the Knit and named it "...and the Horse You Rode
In On." You can figure out what's missing from the name.
Steve
ssmith@kochint.com
P.S. Haven't had a chance to update the Tzadik website to reflect this, but
the Bible Launcher disc scheduled for August 20 has been indefinitely
postponed, for remixing and rerecording. No copies were shipped out, so the
original version is not likely to become an ultra-rare variant collectable
available for obscene prices anytime in the future.
------------------------------
From: anishk@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Anish Kejariwal)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:47:48 -0800
Subject: extra zorn show 8/13 in SF
Zorn is doing another show tonight (8/13) in SF. It looks like he'll play
at this show, and then directly go over to Slim's to do Cobra.
- ---------
There will be a reunion of Zorn/Chadbourne/Ackley/Kaiser a.k.a.
Twins (2 guitars, 2 saxes) at Venue 9 (Tuesday, Aug 13).
252 9th St., SF. $6
They will be first, at 8PM (and Zorn has other engagements, so it
should start very close to 8). After their set, Eugene Chadbourne
will play a series of duets with other folks including Bruce Ackley,
Graham Connah, Dan Plonsey, Scott Rosenberg and Zen Cohen.
- --------
------------------------------
From: Wlt4@aol.com
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:54:55 -0400
Subject: Butch Morris: Testament
Does anybody have the box set? Does it have anything (like a booklet) that's
not available if i buy the albums individually?
Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
------------------------------
From: Brian Beuchaw <beuchaw@interaccess.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:55:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Parachute Years CD, Mori, etc.
Hi y'all,
Glad to be back on the list after a year's absence (moving 3 times in one
year is *not* fun nor recommended :-)).
Anyway, going thru the digests, I don't remember a date being given for
the Parachute Years CD release. Is there one?
Re: Ikue Mori's Garden CD - I thought that _Hex Kitchen_ was her first
solo CD. But I guess you mean *totally* solo (not just under her name).
Third - I found the Japanese 3CD edition of _Execution Ground_ and need to
get rid of my regular 2CD one. Given the recent discussion over
compensation for artists' music, I kinda hate to do this, but if anyone
wants to give me $10 for it (+$2 shipping), it's yours.
cya
brian
------------------------------
From: JonAbbey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:17:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Butch Morris: Testament
Yup, there's a booklet in the set with personnel from all fifty conductions
and liner notes. It's a pretty consistent box, but the sound quality is
pretty poor throughout which takes away from the set's appeal in my mind.
Still recommended, though, and i would be hard pressed having only heard the
box maybe twice all the way through to pick the best discs although I did
like both the Turkish and the Japanese ensembles.
Hope those ramblings were helpful,
Jon
------------------------------
From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:52:59 -0700
Subject: Eric Dolphy
i just found a Dolphy mailing list and i thought some of you might be
interested. more info is available at
http://farcry.neurobio.pitt.edu/Eric.html
david
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