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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 8:58 AM
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #191
Zorn List Digest Friday, December 12 1997 Volume 02 : Number 191
In this issue:
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Upcoming Performance: Comma (Frederick, MD, 1/13/1997)
Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears"
Laswell discs
Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?)
cello music
Re: Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears"
Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?)
kronos
Comma performance is 12/13/1997
more questions about music
Re: more questions about music
Liquid Liquid
electro-acoustic stuff
Re: Liquid Liquid
Re: Knit in L.A.??
Re: MM&W
Re: cello
Re: cello
Re: cello music
PIGPEN/ZONY MASH etc...
cello music: Friedlaender/Roberts?
Re: cello music
Re: cello music
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:19:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Upcoming Performance: Comma (Frederick, MD, 1/13/1997)
This Saturday at 8:00 PM, the vocal trio Comma (featuring list
members Matthew Ross Davis, Joseph Zitt, and Tom Bickley) will be
performing at Interzone Music in Frederick, MD. Among the works to be
performed will be Pauline Oliveros's "Approaches and Departures" and John
Cage's "Song Books", as well as free improvisation and works written by
the performers. Cover charge is $5.
Find out more about Comma at http://www.artswire.org/comma
Again, that's...
Saturday, December 13, 8:00 PM, $5
Interzone Music
215 N. Market Street
Frederick, Maryland 21701-5334
Phone: (301) 695-6026
URL: http://members.aol.com/orgone23/interzone.html
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:54:18 -0500 (EST)
From: David Keffer <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears"
Apropos of some earlier discussions on the list,
I have 2 question regarding the Swiss (?) label
"For 4 Ears". I have a recording of Gunter Muller
and Jim O'Rourke called "Slow Motion" which is
pretty good. I've seen a Christian Marclay release
on the label as well, maybe 2 years ago. Rumor has
it that there is a new recording
Table Chair and Hatstand CD (For 4 Ears)
Jim O'Rourke w/ Gunter Muller and Voice Crack
(Andy Guhl and Norbert Moslang) 1997
My questions are these:
(1) Anybody heard this latest record and have an opinion?
(2) Anybody know where to get "For 4 Ears" releases in the US?
(I don't remember where I picked up some years ago the
"For 4 Ears" disc that I do have. I do remember the only
place where I have seen the Marclay cd was in the gift shop
of the Contemporary Museum of Art in Los Angeles of all places.)
Thanks.
david
________________________________________________________
keffer@shell.planetc.com
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:57:39 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Laswell discs
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I've just seen a couple of recent-ish Laswell discs cheap in a local
shop. Can anyone enlighten me on the relative merits of Oscillations and
Third Rail (or whatever it is w/Laswell/Ulmer/Worrell etc).
Replies offlist so as not to annoy everyone who already knows about
these!
Thanks
Scott Russell
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:00:54 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?)
> so, i was at my local record store (in downtown santa barbara) the other
> day, and was surprised by all the great new stuff they had...i went up to
> pay for them and was talking to the proprietor, who told me that bill
> laswell had come in recently and sold a load of his old records. from what
> the guy told me, laswell is actually moving out here soon, and that there
bill laswell doesn't live in NYC?....
- -jascha
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:06:59 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: cello music
>
> Any cello music recomendations?
there's a 10 minute piece for cello and ibanez tube screamer (distortion
pedal) on the Bang On A Can disc entitled 'industry'. The track is by
micheal gordon, played by moyra somethingorother and is called 'industry'
as well. Amazing amazing amazing.
- -jascha
(oh yeah, and Bach's cello suites are nice, too, but that's a little off
topic...)
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:08:27 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears"
>>>>> "David" == David Keffer <keffer@shell.planetc.com> writes:
David> (2) Anybody know where to get "For 4 Ears" releases in the
David> US? (I don't remember where I picked up some years ago the
David> "For 4 Ears" disc that I do have. I do remember the only
David> place where I have seen the Marclay cd was in the gift shop
David> of the Contemporary Museum of Art in Los Angeles of all
David> places.)
Cadence stocks this label, http://www.cadencebuilding.com (although
last time I checked their catalog might not have been posted).
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Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:14:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Joshua A Miller <umillj08@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?)
it's on the metalanguage label (2139 Russel St. Berkeley CA 94705)
there was also a catalogue in the sleeve with some pretty good-loking
stuff on it, from 1981 (although it loked like it could've just come out
of the laser printer). my guess is that most if this stuff is out of
print, but i could be wrong. anybody else know?
josh
On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:
> > derek bailey&christine jaffey;stories from six windows- acoustic guitar
> > and voice. bailey is great (as could be expected) and jaffey does things
> > with her voice i was not aware humans could do.
>
> I would love to have the label, etc, info for this.
>
> -Tom Pratt
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:17:45 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: kronos
> As a cellist myself, someone I recommend fully would be Joan
> Jeanrenaud from the Kronos Quartet. She is unbelievable, as is the entire
> Quartet... composed of Joan, two violinists and a violist. Some really
> intense strings... beautiful and complicated... I would suggest
> Ghost Opera [Tan Dun] with Wu Man on pipa or Pieces of Africa (a very
> famous CD), as well as Short Stories which features Kronos play music
> composed by Elliott Sharp, John Oswald, John Zorn, Henry Cow(ell), Sofia
> Gubaidulina and many others... All The Rage (with Bob Ostertag) is cool
> too. Good luck finding cello music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'd start with short stories, as it is the most diverse of the albums
mentioned above (as well as being, in my opinion, bar far the best one
i've heard). highlights include john oswald's digital manipulation piece
created because he 'wanted to hear what a 2400 piece string ensemble would
sound like'....
- -jascha
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:02:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Comma performance is 12/13/1997
Just to correct the subject line of the message - the show is 12/13/97,
not 1/13/97.
But if anyone is in the area, please come! Interzone is also a very cool
record store where much Zorn and affiliates can be had.
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Joseph Zitt wrote:
> This Saturday at 8:00 PM, the vocal trio Comma (featuring list
> members Matthew Ross Davis, Joseph Zitt, and Tom Bickley) will be
> performing at Interzone Music in Frederick, MD.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:42:21 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: more questions about music
Any good recomendations for music invovlving:
1) solo acoustic guitar + tapes/electronics
2) more generally, anything which has both acoustic instruments and
electronics used in interesting ways?
- -jascha
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:03:50 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: more questions about music
>>>>> "Jascha" == ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
Jascha> Any good recomendations for music invovlving:
Jascha> generally, anything which has both acoustic instruments
Jascha> and electronics used in interesting ways?
The classical electronics people (electroacoustic, musique concrete,
etc) have been doing this for years, although off the top of my head I
can't think of any that use guitar. Check out the Canadian label
Empreintes Digitales (www.cam.org/~dim), whose site also includes
information on the French INA-GRM group. The Electronic Music
Foundation (www.emf.org/cde_frontdoor.html) also has a substantial and
different collection of this type of music. The German label Wergo
publishes a series Computer Music Currents which covers this area as
well. Forced Exposure carries this series.
Personally I'm not an especially strong fan of this type of music, but
I can recommend number 9 in the Wergo series, which contains beautiful
music for shakuhachi & tape by Gerald Bennett, for percussion and
tape, and for piano and tape by William Albright.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:44:18 -0800
From: Greg Mills <gregm@leftfield.net>
Subject: Liquid Liquid
I just picked up the Liquid Liquid CD on Grand Royal.
Can anyone provide a background for these guys?
It reminds me of the first Golden Palminoes, albeit much funkier.
A great frigging CD.
Eat Yerself Fitter
Greg
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:16:21 +0000
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: electro-acoustic stuff
I am very fond of Anthony Braxton & Richard Teitlbaum's
duo albums, two of which have recently been put on one CD
by (I think) Black Lion. Reeds and Moog, free improv.
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:04:19 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Liquid Liquid
Greg Mills wrote:
> I just picked up the Liquid Liquid CD on Grand Royal.
>
> Can anyone provide a background for these guys?
I know some of their pre-history: they started out at Rutgers U. in New
Jersey as a proudly incompetent noise band known as Liquid Idiot in the
late '70s. They put out a self-titled (I think) 7 inch and gained quite
a following for their performances in the basement of the Mason Gross
School of the Arts.
Their best performance was one in which they raised one hell of a
racket, and gradually left the stage, with those who were still onstage
continuing the barrage. When the last one up there stopped playing, the
audience realized that the rhythm was continuing down the hall. The
band had somehow gotten into the trash room, and were banging on stuff
there. The audience gleefully followed them in, joined in the
soundmaking, and the show continued for quite a long time.
I was the first person to play their record on the radio, and to
interview them on the air. I'm not sure Liquid Idiot ever got on the air
again.
And then they went to NYC and became Liquid Liquid, but others here are
probably more familiar with that phase than I am.
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:39:17 EST
From: WINRECORDS <WINRECORDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Knit in L.A.??
In a message dated 12/11/97 6:53:47 PM, you wrote:
<<Other Knits are still being planned for Los
Angeles, London and Japan, with still more not beyond the talking
stages.>>
Jesus Christ, hurry up already. L.A. is in dire need!!!!!!
Send in the reserves!!!!!
- -
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:40:08 EST
From: WINRECORDS <WINRECORDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MM&W
In a message dated 12/11/97 6:53:47 PM, you wrote:
<<I am not sure how welcome the subject of Medeski Martin and Wood is
recived here, but I head a great album by them called Farmer's Reserve. It
is an impressive departure from the groove orientated stuff they have been
doing as of late>>
I hear they've been signed to Blue Note?! Good for them!! I hope the label
does right by them.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:43:33 EST
From: WINRECORDS <WINRECORDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: cello
In a message dated 12/11/97 6:53:47 PM, you wrote:
<<Any cello music recomendations?>>
A truly beautiful cello piece is "Fratres" by Arvo Part. Look for it on his
"Tabula Rasa" CD. It's performed by the 12 cellists of the Berlin Philharmonic
Orchestra.
This CD is by no means strictly a cello recording, but this one piece, in
particular, is quite stunning.
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:08:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re: cello
<<Any cello music recomendations?>>
There is: http://www.artswire.org/mrd/cello/, which has some RealAudio
files that you can listen to, though they're not real excellent quality. I
need to upload some better resolution files so it doesn't sound so
distorted.
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http://www.artswire.org/mrd school of music
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:17:06 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: cello music
ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> >
> > Any cello music recomendations?
>
> there's a 10 minute piece for cello and ibanez tube screamer (distortion
> pedal) on the Bang On A Can disc entitled 'industry'. The track is by
> micheal gordon, played by moyra somethingorother and is called 'industry'
> as well. Amazing amazing amazing.
Maya Beiser. I got to hear her perform this piece at, of all places, a
classical music radio conference in San Francisco a few years ago. God, how
fabulous... at least 90% of the audience actively squirming and sweating and
sneering.
For those seeking edgy cello music played fabulously well, Maya's disc of
Gubaidulina and Usvolskaya on Koch is awfully hard to beat.
Has anyone in our European or Canadian contingents heard the new solo cello
CD by Ernst Reijseger on Winter & Winter?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:09:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Dodds <tobe@seanet.com>
Subject: PIGPEN/ZONY MASH etc...
Hey guys,
I just wanted to write and update everyone on the latest Wayne Horvitz
news.
On Saturday the 13th Wayne will perform at Tula's in Seattle as
part of the LENNIE TRISTANO PROJECT with violinist Eyvind Kang,
bassist Michael Bisio and ZONY MASH drummer Andy Roth. This gig will
showcase the beautiful and challenging compositions of pianist Lennie
Tristano. Wayne will appropriately play acoustic piano
On Saturday the 27th PIGPEN will celebrate the release of their latest
CD "Daylight," on Tim Kerr Records, with a party at the Rainbow Tavern in
Seattle. In response to the person who noticed a few repeated song titles,
ie V as in Victim. Rest assured this CD has totally new interpratations.
It is probably the best recorded session of Pigpen. One can see the growth of
Briggan Krauss from earlier sessions dramatically. I hope everyone realizes
what a HUGE talent Briggan Krauss has become. Unfortunately, for Seattle
Briggan makes his home in NYC and only makes it back a few times a year.
Wayne has no plans to tour behind Pigpen, Zony Mash is top priority these
days, so this is a very special engagement, last show? Maybe...
In January Wayne will be in NYC himself contributing to a few different
sessions one for Briggan Krauss with Kenny Wolleson, and another for
Bobby Previte with John Zorn, & Elliott Sharp, look for a special
engagement of this latter group at the Knitting Factory in January!!
Afterwards Zony Mash will perform regionally on the west coast
throughout february and march, with a major tour starting up in mid-april!!
That said I want to remind you guys to check out WWW.ZONYMASH.COM, the
site has become MUCH more interesting of late with a new LIVE section
featuring unreleased live music in Real Audio. One of the things I put
up was the entire TORTURE GARDEN performance from august as well as a
scorching version of "Brand Spankin New" with back to back wicked solos
by Wayne and special guest of the evening Bill Frisell. Soon to arrive
are some of the highlights of the fall tour.
Also if you haven't already, please sign the mailing list to be elligible
for tape offers and to receive up to date information about Zony Mash and
related projects.
Toby
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:27:38 +0100
From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de>
Subject: cello music: Friedlaender/Roberts?
Maybe some Zorn-List mails haven't made it to me, and it all has already
happened, but I wonder if anyone could recommend recordings with Erik
Friedlaender or Hank Roberts at their best. I only have Friedlaender on
some big ensemble settings, and nothing of Roberts.
Thanks,
Fritz.
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:20:33 -0500
From: acapps@usit.net (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: cello music
Has anyone mentioned Tristan Honsinger? I've enjoyed his work off and on
over the years. There's an Incus duet with Derek Bailey and an FMP lp with
one side of Honsinger solo and the other Altena solo, and then there's a
duet with Gunter Christmann on Moers. Maybe all of these are out of print.
I'm sure that the first two are not on CD.
However, there's an FMP CD that came out a few years ago called Map of
Moods, with essentially a string group + Louis Moholo playing drums.
Partially composed and partially improvised. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but
I have't listened in a while.
Ashley
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:56:02 +0100
From: Stephane Vuilleumier <svuilleu@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: cello music
Has Tom Cora already been mentioned?
I saw him solo providing the soundtrack of "The
Man with the Camera" of Dziga Vertov (cello,
unobstrusive electronics) - That was
really awesome.
He's all over the place playing in all kinds
of different settings , but there's not so much
stuff solo available on record.
One solo LP on No Man's Land (deleted I think)
028 - LIVE AT THE WESTERN FRONT: Tom Cora
1987 - No Man's Land, nml 8710 (LP)
One solo CD on Sound Aspects (try and grab it)
054 - GUMPTION IN LIMBO: Tom Cora
1991 - Sound Aspects, Sound Aspects SA042 (CD)
He also featured solo very recently on the sampler:
XXX - HAIKUS URBAINS: various artists
This compilation features compositions (mixes,1-29) and remixes by the same
artists (31-59) of "more or less one minute" assembled for the show Haikus
Urbains of Yann Marussich (August 1997).
Tracks by Stevie Wishart (1,50), Leonid Soybetman (2,43), Haco (3,31), KA
(4,49), Pierre Bastien (5,33), Jean-20 Huguenin (6,58), Saadet (7,53),
Bratko Bibic (8,40), Domique Regef (9,48), Fred Frith (10,34), Tony Buck
(11,46), Claude Jordan (12,55), Franz Treichler (13,32), Tatsuya Yoshida
(14,37), Carlos Zingaro (15,41), Spaceheads (16,35), Eric Rosenzveig
(17,59), Luc and Andy (The Ex) (18,39), Iva Bittova (19,47), Frank Pahl
(20,45), Adrien Kessler (21,44), Han Buhrs (22,36), Pascal Plantinga
(23,51), Andres Garcia (24,56), Jon Rose (25,57), Denis Rollet (26,42),
Otomo Yoshihide (27,52), Lars Hollmer (28,38), and Tom Cora (29,54).
1997 - Cave12Disques (Switzerland) C12D02 (CD)
e-mail autresmusiques@zipzap.ch
Stephane
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