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Zorn List Digest       Sunday, December 7 1997       Volume 02 : Number 189



In this issue:
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       Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
       Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
       Re: Circle
       Can somebody record this event for me?
       Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
       Re: Takemitsu (+20th century choral; was Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral)
       Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
       RE: solo guitar
       Hemingway (was Mark Dresser's Banquet)
       Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
       CD sale/trade
       Solo Guitar - Fripp Soundscapes
       Re: Hemingway (and a question about Joey Baron)
       Re: Solo Guitar
       O'Rourke - Happy Days
       Frisell at McCabes
       Dave Douglas in the New York Times
       Re: CD sale/trade
       Re: CD sale/trade
       Re: O'Rourke - Happy Days

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:21:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet

On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:

> > Well, yeah, I've had quite a few of them actually.  I'm not so sure I
> > would jump to comparing this to Chimera or Arcado
>
> I meant that in terms of the chamber sound with solid amounts of
> improvisation. I thought that people who enjoyed Arcado and Chimera
> could very easily be into Banquet as well.
>

Well, I guess my thought is that the ratio of improv to composition is
just extremely lopsided towards the latter in 'Banquet.'  That's not to
say that fans of the above wouldn't dig it though.

> Matthias Ziegler is pretty damn impressive. Have you heard a flute
> player by the name of Robert Dick? He's incredible.
>

I've heard the name - I know he plays in the this group Tambastics with
Denman Maroney, Gerry Hemingway, and Dresser.  They've got a record out on
Music&Arts that's pretty high on my list of Dresser items to check out.

And since I'm out here groveling for record recommendations, I suppose I
can stand to make one:  Gerry Hemingway Quintet - 'Slamadam'.  I'm
discovering Hemingway to be one of the most interesting current composers
using this sort of reasonably standard 'jazz' instrumentation; 'Slamadam'
is a riotious live record from (I think) a 1995 tour of his
trans-continental quintet.  Excellent.

- -Tom




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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 14:02:54 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet

> Well, I guess my thought is that the ratio of improv to composition is
> just extremely lopsided towards the latter in 'Banquet.'  That's not to
> say that fans of the above wouldn't dig it though.

'Banquet' is very structured but I get the sense that a majority of it
is internally improvised. Regardless, it still doesn't do a whole lot
for me, although it is pretty nice.

            -Tom Pratt

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:08:24 EST
From: Dgasque <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Circle

In a message dated 97-12-06 10:10:29 EST, [e-mail] (Julian)
writes:

<< Has anyone got or heard "Circle - Paris Concert" featuring Anthony Braxton,
 Chick Corea, Dave Holland and Barry Altschul? This lineup sounds like it
 might be interesting, any recommendations or comments about this? >>

A great one.  Haven't heard it in a while, but I seem to remember it being one
of the more "straight ahead" LPs the group released.  Anyway, with a lineup
like that, how could it be bad?

=dgasque=

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:08:30 EST
From: Dgasque <[e-mail]>
Subject: Can somebody record this event for me?

(Non-Zorn content follows!)

Live at the Stork Club -the High Llamas perform their eclectic mix of
guitar, banjo, percussion, bells, strings and vocals on WFMU, New York.
Sun. Dec. 7 - 7:00 pm
http://www.radio.audionet.com/radio/Public/WFMU/

If anyone up in NYC can possibly record this for me, I would really appreciate
it.  I'd be glad to trade tapes or something...

=dgasque=

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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 13:49:19 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral

Tom Pratt wrote:

> > > Davey Williams- Criminal Pursuits
> > > Roger Smith-Unexpected Turns
> >
> > roger smith plays nylon string gtr, combines awesome technique (with
> > classical leanings) w/ post bailey vocab. williams is a way out (mostly)
> > electric player uses implements (screwdrivers, motors etc) along with
> > fingered notes. he has a new CD which i've yet to see, but which i've heard
> > is incredible.
>
> Do you have label, etc. info on these? Also, is Davey Williams' new disc
> solo???

Roger Smith- Unexpected Turns -- Emanem
Davey Williams- Criminal Pursuits-Trans Museq (LP)
the new Davey Williams is called "Charmed I'm Sure" and it's on Ecstatic Peace, and
it's solo guitar with overdubbing.
- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:07:35 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Takemitsu (+20th century choral; was Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral)

>i was wondering if anyone had an opinion on takemitsu's solo piano music?
>there was a cd on philips, but it was deleted (around the time of his
>death, which seemed a bit foolish...) & i've never heard it.

I've got an old LP of piano works played by Roger Woodward on Decca
Headline.  One side is the three piano works which have been often played by
others: For Away, Piano Distance, and Undisturbed Rest.  These are very
impressionistic, pretty much what you'd expect from Takemitsu.  Undisturbed
Rest was, I believe, his first work.

The other side, however, is a work called Corona - London version, which I
have never seen anywhere else, in this or any other version.  According to
the liner notes, it consists of 'several sheets of coloured paper.  Each
sheet exhibits various codes and illustrations that can be combined to
produce various arrangements.  Woodward has recorded here the piece
featuring two pianos, an organ, and a harpsichord by using multiple
recording technique.'  This is also unusual in my admittedly limited
Takemitsu experience, in that it is a graphic score, and I've always had the
impression that most of his works are completely notated (I'm sure someone
will correct me if I'm wrong ;-).

And speaking of orchestral music, where this thread started, I'd also
recommend Takashi Yoshimatsu's Chandos recording of his Symphony #2, Guitar
Concerto  Pegasus Effect, and Threnody to Toki for string orchestra; and the
orchestral works of Samei Satoh on New Albion.


- --
Caleb T. Deupree
[e-mail], or
[e-mail]

;; For every complex question there is a simple answer.
;; And it is wrong.  (H. L. Mencken)


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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:34:31 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet

- ----------
> From: Tom Benton out on
> Music&Arts that's pretty high on my list of Dresser items to check out.
>
> And since I'm out here groveling for record recommendations, I suppose I
> can stand to make one:  Gerry Hemingway Quintet - 'Slamadam'.  I'm
> discovering Hemingway to be one of the most interesting current composers
> using this sort of reasonably standard 'jazz' instrumentation; 'Slamadam'

> is a riotious live record from (I think) a 1995 tour of his
> trans-continental quintet.  Excellent.
>
> -Tom
>

If you can find Hemmingway's "Marmalade King" on Hat Art....get it ! It's
his Sgt Pepper's so to speak ! which is saying quite a bit in lieu of his
extremely impressive discography !

glenn
>
>
>
> -
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 97 17:57:06 UT
From: "allen huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: solo guitar

First, kudos to those of you who have contributed to this excellent thread
thus far

Second, there are two items which, to my surprise, have not yet been mentioned
(maybe they haven't been mentioned because of their obscurity?)

Namely, the lps:

"Guitar Solos 2" (Caroline 1518, rel. 1976)
"Guitar Solos 3" (Red-008, rel. 1979)

Both of which are anthological compilations assembled by Fred Frith

Guitar Solos 2 features work by Frith, Derek Bailey, Hans Reichel, and GF
Fitzgerald
Guitar Solos 3 features work by Frith, Henry Kaiser, Chip Handy, Peter Cusack,
Keith Rowe, Eugene Chadbourne, Davey Williams, and Akira Iijima

To the best of my knowledge, neither of these has been re-released on cd
although the Frith tracks were included on the cd release of "Guitar Solos", I
believe that none of the tracks by the other artists have been released
elsewhere

in fact, in the cases of Williams, Chadbourne, and Kaiser, these are amongst
their earliest recordings

Although it could be argued that the artists mentioned above have all recorded
better work elsewhere, I would not be surprised if many zorn listers who are
pushing (or have pushed) the big four-oh had their ears opened to a whole new
world of sonic possibilities due to their being exposed to these records
roughly 20 years ago.

so at the very least worthy of mention for historical significance


ajh


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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 97 18:49:50 UT
From: "allen huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hemingway (was Mark Dresser's Banquet)

> And since I'm out here groveling for record recommendations, I suppose I
> can stand to make one:  Gerry Hemingway Quintet - 'Slamadam'.  I'm
> discovering Hemingway to be one of the most interesting current composers
> using this sort of reasonably standard 'jazz' instrumentation; 'Slamadam'

> is a riotious live record from (I think) a 1995 tour of his
> trans-continental quintet.  Excellent.
>
> -Tom
>

If you can find Hemmingway's "Marmalade King" on Hat Art....get it ! It's
his Sgt Pepper's so to speak ! which is saying quite a bit in lieu of his
extremely impressive discography !

glenn


I'll echo both Tom's and Glenn's recommendations and will add that I recently
obtained both "Slamadam" and "Marmalade King" (as well as the marvelous
"Perfect World") directly from Hemingway

interested zornlisters should check out this URL

http://www.interactive.net/~gerryhem/

and click on "how to get recordings/distributors"


ajh


(hmmm, I'm unusually verbose today...must be the rain)
yo g-frog




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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 22:22:24 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet

Tom Benton wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> > > Well, yeah, I've had quite a few of them actually.  I'm not so
> sure I
> > > would jump to comparing this to Chimera or Arcado
> >
> > I meant that in terms of the chamber sound with solid amounts of
> > improvisation. I thought that people who enjoyed Arcado and Chimera
> > could very easily be into Banquet as well.
> >
>
> Well, I guess my thought is that the ratio of improv to composition is
>
> just extremely lopsided towards the latter in 'Banquet.'  That's not
> to
> say that fans of the above wouldn't dig it though.
>
> > Matthias Ziegler is pretty damn impressive. Have you heard a flute
> > player by the name of Robert Dick? He's incredible.
> >
>
> I've heard the name - I know he plays in the this group Tambastics
> with
> Denman Maroney, Gerry Hemingway, and Dresser.  They've got a record
> out on
> Music&Arts that's pretty high on my list of Dresser items to check
> out.
>
> And since I'm out here groveling for record recommendations, I suppose
> I
> can stand to make one:  Gerry Hemingway Quintet - 'Slamadam'.  I'm
> discovering Hemingway to be one of the most interesting current
> composers
> using this sort of reasonably standard 'jazz' instrumentation;
> 'Slamadam'
> is a riotious live record from (I think) a 1995 tour of his
> trans-continental quintet.  Excellent.
>
> -Tom
>

There's a second disc on Random Acoustics, "Perfect World." which is
every bit as good as the first.  They, and "Marmalade King," were
recorded at about the same time.  All of these are equally difficult to
find in stores, but Cadence should have them.

Alan

> -




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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:54:18 -0500
From: [e-mail] ( =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette)
Subject: CD sale/trade

I have about a dozen CDs I'm trading/selling.  There are a few Zorn-related
titles -- send me a private e-mail for the complete list and more details.

Bruno

R=E9mi Bissonnette Ph.D.
Professeur titulaire
=46acult=E9 d'=C9ducation physique et sportive
Universit=E9 de Sherbrooke
Sherbrooke, Qu=E9bec
J1K 2R1
=20



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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 00:35:08 -0600
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Solo Guitar - Fripp Soundscapes

If you like Fripp's Soundscapes work, one disc you may not be able to find
easily, but should not be missed, is the (I believe bootleg) disc of the
Robert Fripp String Quintet recorded in November 1992 on the Red Phantom
label, called "Soundscape".  In my opinion it is very superior to the
legitimate release by the quintet at the same time.  There is a Videotape
available of this concert as well, but the disc has several more tracks on
it.  Only three of the tracks are of the "Soundscape" variety, the rest
being true quintet pieces with Trey Gunn on stick and the California Guitar
Trio on Acoustics, Fripp of course on his electric and many, many devices.
The highlight is of course the soundscapes, my personal favorite being the
last one, Urban Scape.  If you ever see this disc, pick it up.  Probably
the best sound quality I've heard on a bootleg ever.


As for other solo guitar stuff:

Keiji Haino - I said, This is the Son of Nihilism (and most of his other
stuff, too)
Michael Brook - Live at the Aquarium
Jim O'Rourke - Happy Days (which I saw live and blew it me away)
Alan Licht - The Evan Dando of Noise?
K.K. Null - Absolute Heaven
Azonic (Andy Hawkins) - Halo
Sonny Sharrock - Guitar

and a few more I can't think of right now.




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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 02:34:39 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hemingway (and a question about Joey Baron)

> I'll echo both Tom's and Glenn's recommendations and will add that I recently
> obtained both "Slamadam" and "Marmalade King" (as well as the marvelous
> "Perfect World") directly from Hemingway

and i'll add (once again) that Gerry Hemmingway's two solo albums are
quite unlike anything else i've heard ever.  One is solo acoustic drum kit
stuff, the other is solo electroacoustic, with drums and percussion
elements.  Interesting.

has anyone heard anything about Joey Baron's solo CD? Is he still doing
one? Has he done one already?


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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 02:46:02 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Solo Guitar

this isn't exactly solo guitar, but i'm very fond of the noises made by
the group MAIN, which only ever had at most 2 people in it.  The current
incarnation is just the founding member, i think.

MAIN's music is all derived from electric guitars (and bass), but is
heavily processed.  Many of the albums very ocean-of-sound ambient stuff,
but 'motion pool', my favorite, is also very rhythmic, using lots of
loops.  The quality of the studio work is really good...this guy can do a
lot with source material.  Some of the sounds don't bear any recognisable
relation to a guitar at all...but, unless he's changed his mind,
Hampstead's idea behind MAIN was to fully explore the guitar with studio
tools, so i think all the sounds are guitars.





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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 02:45:13 -0600
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: O'Rourke - Happy Days

>what's this one? never heard of it before...i have 'remove the need', and
quite like it.

It's on Fahey's Revenant label, Revenant 101.

It's one piece over 45 minutes long.  Starts with acoustic guitar playing
two notes over and over, eventually coming in with some additional lines.
Gradually it builds and in the background a wall of Hurdy-Gurdy noise seeps
in, until it overpowers the guitar completely.  At the end it reverses back
to the solo guitar.

The disc itself feels a little cold compared to the live version, but it is
still a great piece.  When I saw him do it last year in Chicago, the crowd
was noisy and had no idea what to make of it.  Throughout the first five to
ten minutes of the repeating two notes the crowd slowly started to pay more
attention.  When he finally came in with the counterpart, it was like an
incredible release.  By the time the piece was done, the crowd was pretty
much spellbound.  Even my friends who don't normally like "unusual" music
were talking about it for days.  If anyone out there happens to have a tape
of that show (Table of the Elements Festival 1996, night two) I'd love to
get a copy.

Not really comparable to Remove the Need, but then again, nothing I hear
from O'Rourke really sounds like anything else he's done.




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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 08:50:39 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frisell at McCabes

The McCabes Guitar Shop listing in today's LA Times says Frisell will be
playing there in 1998. They used to have frequent jazz performances when
Nancy Covey booked the acts many years ago. I hope this is a sign of
movement back in that direction.

s~Z



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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 14:53:16 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dave Douglas in the New York Times

There's a good article on Dave Douglas in today's New York Times, at
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/artleisure/07ratl.html (Ya gotta
register for the site, and it may only be available to people in the
US.)
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:15:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CD sale/trade

So, what's the lowdown, Remi?  What do you have for me? - Mike

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

*********************************
Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
[phone]
*********************************



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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:21:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Shepherd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CD sale/trade

Sorry.  Didn't mean to send that to everyone.  So sorry. Sumimasen. - Mike


\On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Mike Shepherd wrote:
 So, what's the lowdown, Remi?  What do you have for me? - Mike
>
>         "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
>                 - Harriet the Spy
>
> *********************************
> Mike Shepherd
> [e-mail]
> Middle Tennessee State University
> [phone]
> *********************************
>
>
>
> -
>
>

        "It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
                - Harriet the Spy

*********************************
Mike Shepherd
[e-mail]
Middle Tennessee State University
[phone]
*********************************



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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 19:05:05 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: O'Rourke - Happy Days

Craig Rath wrote:
>
> >what's this one? never heard of it before...i have 'remove the need', and
> quite like it.
>
> It's on Fahey's Revenant label, Revenant 101.
>
> It's one piece over 45 minutes long.  Starts with acoustic guitar playing
> two notes over and over, eventually coming in with some additional lines.
> Gradually it builds and in the background a wall of Hurdy-Gurdy noise seeps
> in, until it overpowers the guitar completely.  At the end it reverses back
> to the solo guitar.

LOTS of drone... Sometimes it fits perfectly and sometimes it drives you
NUTS! not solo guitar though... there's some brass in there but sort of
tough to tell with O'Rourke.

O'Rourke's duo 'Slow Motion' with Gunter Muller is phenomenal! Much more
energized O'Rourke doing free improv on guitar with Muller on drums and
electronics! Really great!

            -Tom Pratt

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