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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:14 AM
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #188
Zorn List Digest Saturday, December 6 1997 Volume 02 : Number 188
In this issue:
-
Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
Re: "Best of" John Zorn
Re: "Best of" John Zorn
Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
Re: Cobra Signals
Re: National Football League
Takemitsu (+20th century choral; was Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral)
Re: National Football League
Mark Dresser's Banquet
Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
Re: solo guitar
Circle
Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
Re: Circle
Re: solo guitar
RE: Leonid Soybelman (Ne Zhedali)
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Date:
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
I also enjoy David Torn's two 'solo' guitar albums:
_Tripping Over God_
and
_What means Solid, Traveller?_
- -Sean
- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:25:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: "Best of" John Zorn
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Jeff Hobbs wrote:
> Given a 74 minute CD, drawing mainly from Zorn's work as a
> leader/composer, which pieces would you include on a "best of" CD that
> would touch upon most of the major works of Zorn? I'm keenly interested in
> which pieces the contributors to this list would single out...
Completely offa da toppa my head, and given that there's a lot of Zorn
that I haven't heard, I'd include:
- - Nazikin from "Bar Kokhba"
- - the first few minutes of "Spillane"
- - Snagglepuss (from Naked City)
- - Dark River (from Redbird)
- - the Epilogue from "Duras"
- - Garin from "Kristallnacht"
- - A track from a Cobra recording
- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:41:23 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: "Best of" John Zorn
>Completely offa da toppa my head, and given that there's a lot of Zorn
>that I haven't heard, I'd include:
>
>- Nazikin from "Bar Kokhba"
>- the first few minutes of "Spillane"
>- Snagglepuss (from Naked City)
>- Dark River (from Redbird)
>- the Epilogue from "Duras"
>- Garin from "Kristallnacht"
>- A track from a Cobra recording
Toss in a track from NEWS FOR LULU and VOODOO and Zorn's contribution to the
Monk album tribute.
Add a bit of Painkiller...and don't forget your Parachute
s~Z
>
>-
>
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 10:26:10 PST
From: "Jack Torrance" <kubrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
>There are several well known Japanese orchestral composers, though I
personally don't know the work of many beyond Takemitsu and Mayazumi,
neither of whom do all that much for me. Takemitsu does have a great
many admirers, so I'm most likely in the minority here. Try out his
"November Steps" and you'll have a reasonably good indication of whether
he'll do it for you.>
I would disagree.While November Steps may be Takemistu's best known
compostion,it is not indicative of the scope of his work.It doesn't
personaly excite me much either but much of Takemitsu's film scores
do.Unfortunately the soundtracks to many of these are very rare.A good
place to start is the somewhat recently released compilation "Film Music
of Toru Takemitsu" on nonesuch.The best thing to do would be to rent the
films, many of which are classics.I would suggest you start with
Teshighara's-"Woman in the Dunes","The Face of Another",and Kobayashi's
"Kwaidan".These all have excellent soundtracks and are even better
films.There was a very good documentary I saw on Takemistu's film
music.I think it is available for sale.This also would be a good place
to start.Takemitsu is recently deceased and it is unknown to me if much
of his best work will ever make it to CD.
Jack
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- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:05:00 EST
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cobra Signals
In a message dated 97-12-05 00:54:44 EST, you write:
<< > Interesting- I kind of imagined it as similar to the Darazj (sp?) method
of
> hand signaling with choirs.
What is this method? Sounds intriguing...
>>
It is a method of hand signaling to a choir developed by Arpad Darazj, a
somewhat-famous choral director from Hungary (i'm guessing at the spelling of
his name.) He settled in Columbia, SC and taught at the University of South
Carolina until his death a few years ago. I saw a musical production that he
directed a long while back and specifically remember how unusual the different
hand signals were that he used- it almost resembled "signing" used by the
hearing impared at times. I wish I could tell you more, but I would be
guessing beyond these few bits.
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:07:31 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: National Football League
Mike Shepherd wrote:
>
> On Thu, 4 Dec 1997 peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
>
> > Don't they always say that no portion of this broadcast can be
> > used in whole or in part because it's owned completely by the National Football
> > League? Doesn't that make this an illegal record? Could they conceivably
> > recall all copies of the box set?
> >
> The warning says that the broadcast cannot be used in whole or in part
> _without the expressed written consent of the National Football League_.
> Seeing as how Zorn and his posse probably want to keep everything on the
> level when it comes to copyright law, they probably went through the
> necessary channels to get the appropriate permissions.
This gave me a good chuckle. You have to remember that these early
zorn pieces were done on a shoestring budget, by musicians who were
lucky to leave the gig with cab fare home. Several of the parachute
pieces were recorded before audiences that numbered around 25 people.
Parachute records was run out of someones apartment, using(with the
exception of the Archery box) cheap pressings, packaging and graphics.
So I think its safe to say that people were not paying royalties on
snippetts of radio broadcasts, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this
kind of sampling, falls under the permitted use clause that covers
satire.
Rich
- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:11:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "k. drudge" <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Takemitsu (+20th century choral; was Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral)
> personaly excite me much either but much of Takemitsu's film scores
> do.Unfortunately the soundtracks to many of these are very rare.A good
> place to start is the somewhat recently released compilation "Film Music
> of Toru Takemitsu" on nonesuch.The best thing to do would be to rent the
i would second the recommendation for takemitsu's film music, although
i haven't heard the above compilation.
there is a (short) cd of his choral music on philips called `a song
of circles and triangles' which, in my opinion is quite hauntingly
beautiful. i didn't see this mentioned anywhere in the recent
thread on 20th century choral music.
i was wondering if anyone had an opinion on takemitsu's solo piano music?
there was a cd on philips, but it was deleted (around the time of his
death, which seemed a bit foolish...) & i've never heard it.
- -keldon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:59:40 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: National Football League
> snippetts of radio broadcasts, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this
> kind of sampling, falls under the permitted use clause that covers
> satire.
didn't seem to help negativland any...maybe the NFL is more fogiving than
U2's lawyers...
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:03:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Mark Dresser's Banquet
Tom Pratt was sayin'...
>
>I picked up Mark Dresser's BANQUET (TZ 7027), a Tzadik new release, the
>other day so I thought I'd share some thoughts with you all.
>
>First off, the cover art is really beautiful. In the liner notes, it's
>credited to "Ligorano/Resse". ?????
>
Agreed. Very nice and appropriate to the music to come.
>
>Anyway, the disc has two of Mark Dresser's chamber works - "Banquet" and
>"Loss of the Innocents". It's comparable in style to Arcado String Trio
>or Erik Friedlander's Chimera. However, they never peak in their
>intensity and I find the compositions to be fragmented and sort of weak
>due to the improv. I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on
>this one?
>
Well, yeah, I've had quite a few of them actually. I'm not so sure I
would jump to comparing this to Chimera or Arcado, it seems to that
both of those groups are playing from what I'll (probably regretfully)
call a 'jazz-derived' concept in their tunes: Develop a theme and
improvise around said theme for a while. For example, on his web page,
Erik Friedlander explains one of the Chimera charts thusly:
"...I limited myself here, creating a simpler more direct form: a
short head, a blowing structure, a head out with a coda. The form looks
more or less like: ABABAC. The two "B" represent the blowing form; the
first time divided by the clarinets the second taken together. The chart
can be played with the clarinets holding down the form and the cello/bass
improvising. It seemed to work better the other way and so far it has
stuck."
On the converse, 'Banquet' strikes me more as a composed piece of chamber
music with the instances of improvisation (mostly improvised cadenzas from
Dresser or Ziegler) serving the music just as any of the written notes do.
I think I agree with your "fragmented" comment though, maybe because
Dresser is trying to do much with this one composition: 'Banquet', for
instance, was commisioned for Swiss flute master Matthias Ziegler (who I'm
pretty much blow away by, as he tears things up on everything from
contrabass flute to picollo), but if I understand the liner notes
correctly, it's also something of a forum for a variety of extended
techniques by the string quartet. I've been sort of trying to listen to
this with an ear not necessarily attuned for things like harmony
and melody, because I don't think they're the main focus of this piece.
I haven't really dug into 'Loss of the Innocents' yet, though the one
or two listens I've had definetly sound more like this is oriented toward
evoking emotions through melody as opposed to the the myriad focuses of
'Banquet'.
>
>Regardless, Dresser's solo album 'Invocation' is one of the finest solo
>bass albums I've ever heard.
>
Yeah. Without a doubt. Dresser's pretty much my #1 bass hero at this
point, hearing him play in pretty much any context is always a total
pleasure. In fact, I'm getting ready to order some Dresser stuff from
Cadence (right now I'm thinking about the Kevin Norton Trio and the Greg
Bendian Project on CIMP), if anyone has any more recommendations as far
as good places to hear him, I would love to know (or if anybody's got any
other cool thoughts on hearing him live or playing with him or whatever
else you feel like spewing onto your keyboard, go to town).
Have a good weekend all. Thanks for reading.
- -Tom
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:26:20 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
> What are your favorite solo guitar albums? I need more.
>
> I'm looking to find some orchestral music from somewhere that isn't U.S.
> or Europe. Anybody have some good recs????
>
> -Tom Pratt
i like the versions of Bach's lute suites by John Williams, and the wall
o' noise/prepared guitar virtusosity of Jim O'Rourke's 'remove the need'
on the extreme label. other than that, all the solo guitar stuff i have
is flamenco, which may or may not be appealing...(pepe romero is amazing,
though).
do you have book of heads? that's intersting, too, but a little short on
melody (which may or may not be a problem, but i thought i'd mention it)
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:07:11 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
Re: DRESSER
>if anyone has any more recommendations as far
>as good places to hear him, I would love to know (or if anybody's got any
>other cool thoughts on hearing him live or playing with him or whatever
>else you feel like spewing onto your keyboard, go to town).
>
>Have a good weekend all. Thanks for reading.
>
>-Tom
Don't miss his work with Braxton.
He'll be playing in an upcoming version of Gerry Hemingway's Quartet soon,
as well.
s~Z
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 00:12:39 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: solo guitar
ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> has anyone heard Fripp's 'soundscapes live 1996' CD? i may have the title
> a little wrong...opinions?
You do have the title wrong, I think. There have been six Soundscapes releases
to date, one of which, "1999 - Soundscapes Live in Argentina," is out of print
awaiting reissue with additional material. Of the remainder, the best of the
lot IMHO is "That Which Passes - 1995 Soundscapes Live Vol. 3," which may or may
not have been released in North America. (The two prior to that were
"Radiophonics - 1995 Soundscapes, Vol. 1 - Live in Argentina" and "A Blessing of
Tears - 1995 Soundscapes, Vol. 2 - Live in California," both of which were
widely available in stores.) But I've not heard the new one, "November Suite,"
which is only available by mail order, nor have I purchased the new single "Pie
Jesu" since part of it is previously released and the rest will be in an
upcoming boxset "The Gates of Paradise." Given the sometimes capriciousness of
Fripp's release schedule, however, perhaps I would be best advised to go ahead
and pick up the single as the boxset may be entirely different if and when it
ever actually appears. There was also a really exceptional soundscape track
called "Sometimes God Hides" on the Discipline Global Mobile sampler of the same
name... that's a track from the forthcoming boxset as well.
There's a funny story about the making of the "November Suite" recording (it was
performed for free at a former train station turned shopping center over the
course of several hours, apparently, and drew a great many complaints from the
shop keepers,
one of whom supposedly threw up) on the Discipline Global Mobile web site at
http://www.discipline.co.uk/newslett/newsl2c.htm
The newsletter also includes links to the discs in question so you can hear what
it's all about yourself. It sure don't sound remotely like any of the other
solo guitarists of whom we've been speaking, but rather a lot closer to
keyboard-driven space music. Maybe that's why he's chosen to refer to his music
as an evening of solo space music on his current mini-tour I'll be catching here
next Saturday.
Sorry for the extensive non-Zorn rambling... I'm kind of a nut.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:12:31 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Circle
Has anyone got or heard "Circle - Paris Concert" featuring Anthony Braxton,
Chick Corea, Dave Holland and Barry Altschul? This lineup sounds like it
might be interesting, any recommendations or comments about this?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 23:59:04 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Mark Dresser's Banquet
> Well, yeah, I've had quite a few of them actually. I'm not so sure I
> would jump to comparing this to Chimera or Arcado
I meant that in terms of the chamber sound with solid amounts of
improvisation. I thought that people who enjoyed Arcado and Chimera
could very easily be into Banquet as well.
Matthias Ziegler is pretty damn impressive. Have you heard a flute
player by the name of Robert Dick? He's incredible.
'Time Fragments' by the Klaus Konig Orchestra is a great record to hear
Dresser in an experimental big band format. Dresser is not particularly
prominent but it is good nonetheless.
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 02:59:03 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Circle
Julian wrote:
>
> Has anyone got or heard "Circle - Paris Concert" featuring Anthony Braxton,
> Chick Corea, Dave Holland and Barry Altschul? This lineup sounds like it
> might be interesting, any recommendations or comments about this?
it's a good record. it's the jazziest circle record, but it has some pretty out moments.if
you're interested from the standpoint of (this period of)braxton, i'd say check out his
mid 70's Arista records first, if you're interested from the standpoint of holland,
check out 'conference of the birds' (also w/ braxton) first. if you're interested in it
from the standpoint of corea, i don't know what to say...
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
- -
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:38:14 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: solo guitar
has anyone heard Fripp's 'soundscapes live 1996' CD? i may have the title
a little wrong...opinions?
also, i forgot to mention earlier: Kazushito Yamashita playing 'pictures
at an exhibition' on solo guitar (!). He actually does it, too. He's also
done the new world symphony and the firebird suite...but i digress...
- -jascha
> ...which reminds me to recommend Robert Fripp's albums of Frippertronics
> and soundscapes. I'm not familiar with his more recent solo work (I like
> it, just haven't gotten the albums) so I don't know which is the best
> intro.
>
> There are also some good recordings of Takemitsu's arrangements of Beatles
> songs (!) for solo guitar.
- -
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 97 11:05:27 UT
From: "allen huotari" <zmasada@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Leonid Soybelman (Ne Zhedali)
Soybelman was (maybe still is) a member of the remarkable Ne Zhedali (from
Estonia)
They've released at least four discs since 1989 (enumerated chronologically
below):
Rhinoceros and Other Forms of Life
Hey Driver, Cool Down the Horses
Whatever Happens, Twist !
Live Rarities Vol. 1
The first is the best featuring a lineup of guitar, bass, drums, trombone,
trumpet, piano, and miscellany
the second and third are good but not quite as tasty as the first (imho) due
to a de-emphasis of the horns
as to availability, the second and third are released by Rec Rec and should be
readily obtainable
I'm not sure if the first is still in print, I have it on lp and while it was
distributed by ReR, is on ADM out of the Netherlands
The fourth is a new release (apparently of archival material) which I've
neither heard nor know what label it's on
As to what they sound like...well...that's difficult to describe
Playful, quirky, enigmatic, humorous, indelibly Estonian ?
Maybe suffice it to say that anyone who enjoys Rec Rec bands such as Die
Knoedel, Nimal, or Debile Menthol would probably enjoy Ne Zhedali as well
I know there are at least two other zorn-listers out there who have heard Ne
Zhedali, it wold be delightful if they'd share their opinions
ajh
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com On Behalf Of SUGAR in their
vitamins?
Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 6:06 AM
To: a record swap meet full of stamp collectors
Subject: Leonid Soybelman vs. Uzjsme Doma
after buying the Kletka Red disc,
a few months back i had asked about
Soybelman and for some reason i
thought i had written down he
was involved with Uzjsme Doma.
i recently bought their 1996
disc "Hollywood". while Soybelman
is not involved, this is some great
stuff. it's like the energy and
quick change-ups of Ruins (not
very Magma-esque, but still sounds
like Ruins at times) crossed
with ska and a sprinkle of
improvisation. Uzjsme Doma are
from the Czech Republic. the lineup
is Miroslav Wanek (g, keyboard,
xylophone, v), Jindra Dolansky
(ts, v), Pavel Kerka (b, v),
Romek Hanzlik (g, v), Pavel Pavlicek
(ds, v) and Martin Velisek (brushes?).
i like it quite a bit!
so, what else IS Soybelman involved
with?
and can anyone tell me more about
Uzjsme Doma? a discography?
(and yes, i just found out i
missed them playing live in SF
last wednesday night. sigh.)
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
- -
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