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Zorn List Digest       Friday, December 5 1997       Volume 02 : Number 187



In this issue:
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       Leonid Soybelman vs. Uzjsme Doma
       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)
       Re: National Football League
       kazue sawai
       Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
       "Best of" John Zorn
       Re: solo guitar
       John Medeski Trio
       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)
       Re: Uz Jsme Doma
       white & frisell
       Re:       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)
       Re[2]: National Football League
       Re: Hedges
       Elliott Sharp/Kaffe Mathews/Saturnalia gig
       Re: kazue sawai
       FT: Painkiller _GoaV_ and _Buried Secrets_ cds
       Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral
       Re: Down Home
       Re: Down Home

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:06:25 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Leonid Soybelman vs. Uzjsme Doma

after buying the Kletka Red disc,
a few months back i had asked about
Soybelman and for some reason i
thought i had written down he
was involved with Uzjsme Doma.
i recently bought their 1996
disc "Hollywood". while Soybelman
is not involved, this is some great
stuff. it's like the energy and
quick change-ups of Ruins (not
very Magma-esque, but still sounds
like Ruins at times) crossed
with ska and a sprinkle of
improvisation. Uzjsme Doma are
from the Czech Republic. the lineup
is Miroslav Wanek (g, keyboard,
xylophone, v), Jindra Dolansky
(ts, v), Pavel Kerka (b, v),
Romek Hanzlik (g, v), Pavel Pavlicek
(ds, v) and Martin Velisek (brushes?).
i like it quite a bit!

so, what else IS Soybelman involved
with?

and can anyone tell me more about
Uzjsme Doma? a discography?
(and yes, i just found out i
missed them playing live in SF
last wednesday night. sigh.)

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:46:19 -0500
From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)

>It's clear that "narrow-minded" is a pejorative term.  What's more
>interesting is whether "open-minded" is the flip-side; or, perhaps, in
>what sense it's the flip-side?  If someone likes everything
>without preference, it removes all cutting edge from liking any
>particular thing.  Perhaps that's simply being too open-
>minded; yet, curiously, the expression too narrow-minded has
>some currency, implying that a certain narrow-mindedness
>might be no bad thing!!  (Tolerance is supposed to be a virtue, yet
>nobody wants to be "tolerated".)  I suppose open and narrow minded
>can be straightforward where the issue is only whether one will
>listen to it at all; but as the entertaining Down Home dispute has
>shown, the application of these terms goes beyond that.

Yeah, I get pretty narrow-minded myself about things that suck. I just
can't help it.

>
>PS I have two great early-eighties albums (Blythe Spirit and Light
>Blue) by Blythe with tuba, cello, guitar and drums.  Did this line-up
>make any others?

You know, both of those records are pretty foggy in my mind, but I remember
two others that I preferred with a similar line-up - "Lenox Avenue
Breakdown" and, I believe I've got the title right, "Extensions." Both
feature Blood Ulmer on guitar and, I believe (it's been a long time), Bob
Stewart on tuba. I have these lps at home but I haven't listened to them in
quite a while. Used to love 'em though. I don't think they've ever been
released on CD. Just for the record, they were the first two records that
Blythe made when he was signed to Columbia, preceeding the two you
mentioned.

Ashley



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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:59:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: National Football League

> I'm listening to Archery and in the first two minutes there's a substantial
> section of a football game broadcast, obviously used as sound material by one of
> the players.  Don't they always say that no portion of this broadcast can be
> used in whole or in part because it's owned completely by the National Football
> League?  Doesn't that make this an illegal record?  Could they conceivably
> recall all copies of the box set?

Does the box set say it was an NFL game that was being played? It could have
been a high school or college football game, for all we know.

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:17:05 +0000
From: gda <[e-mail]>
Subject: kazue sawai

hi zornsters!

i saw the japanese koto ensemble "kazue sawai"
a few years ago, but have never been able to
find any recordings here in europe.
they played 20th century compositions
(commissioned by kazue sawai)
only; but none by zorn (even though he's
written stuff for them)
maybe one of you can help me out.

patRice

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:40:03 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral

>> I'm looking to find some orchestral music from somewhere that isn't U.S.
>> or Europe. Anybody have some good recs????

How about Antarctica's Penguin Cafe Orchestra?




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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:48:36 -0500
From: Jeff Hobbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: "Best of" John Zorn

Hello all,

    My final paper for a class here at Hampshire College is a overview
of Zorn's work as a composer, performer and improvisor. I'd like to
accompany the paper with a CD-R of Zorn's music, as I'm not sure just how
familiar my professor is to Zorn's work. I have most of Zorn's widely
available recordings, and a quite a bit of the more esoteric hard-to-find
stuff as well. My question to you all is this (and I realize it's not an
easy question):

    Given a 74 minute CD, drawing mainly from Zorn's work as a
leader/composer, which pieces would you include on a "best of" CD that
would touch upon most of the major works of Zorn? I'm keenly interested in
which pieces the contributors to this list would single out...

    By the way, Dave Douglas' Sanctuary is the best disc I've heard in
some time; I highly recommend it. It's sort of a skronky, groovy downtown
modernized Bitches Brew. Don't Blame Me, which I just saw mentioned
recently, is really great too and is quickly becoming my favorite Ribot
album.

Thanks for any & all input,

~Jeff Hobbs


mailto:[e-mail]
webspycam:
http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~jehF93/webcam
phone/fax: [phone]
Box 572, Hampshire College
Amherst, MA 01002



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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:53:01 EST
From: Dgasque <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar

In a message dated 97-12-04 03:47:19 EST, you write:

<< Then there's Joe Pass, Michael Hedges, Tuck Andress, Chet
 Atkins... >>

I heard on NPR yesterday that Michael Hedges died a couple of days ago.  These
was a short musical homage to him of a sort, as Hedges and his Windham Hill
label provided much of the bumper music for _All Things Considered_ .

=dgasque=

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Date: 05 Dec 97 02:13:07 EST
From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Auten)
Subject: John Medeski Trio

- --- You wrote:
Note that John Medeski has bailed on his previously announced week.
- --- end of quote ---
This may be more of an issue for the MMW list, but I haven't heard them mention
it.  Does anybody know who was supposed to be in the trio?  Simply curious.

Rob

LT: Bloodcount: Discretion

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:26:58 +1100
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)

> It's clear that "narrow-minded" is a pejorative term.  What's more
> interesting is whether "open-minded" is the flip-side; or, perhaps, in
> what sense it's the flip-side?  If someone likes everything
> without preference, it removes all cutting edge from liking any
> particular thing.  Perhaps that's simply being too open-
> minded; yet, curiously, the expression too narrow-minded has
> some currency, implying that a certain narrow-mindedness
> might be no bad thing!!  (Tolerance is supposed to be a virtue, yet
> nobody wants to be "tolerated".)  I suppose open and narrow minded
> can be straightforward where the issue is only whether one will
> listen to it at all; but as the entertaining Down Home dispute has
> shown, the application of these terms goes beyond that.

But I think being narrow or open minded doesn't relate to whether you like
the music, but rather whether you will just give it a go. If you listen
thoroughly to something and then decide you don't like it, you've at least
given it a go.


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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 01:00:42
From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Uz Jsme Doma

At 10:06 PM 12/4/97 -0800, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>and can anyone tell me more about
>Uzjsme Doma? a discography?

I got a little press booklet when I took home their "new" album to review
and it's full of information about this strange Czech band which is, after
years of obscurity, finally making their way to american audiences.

They've been around since 1985 although they've undergone personelle
changes since then. In 1993 they were asked by the Residents to organize
the Czech production of Freak Show. They've got a total of six albums out
there, many of which have been released more than once by different labels.
Here is a brief discography of full length cds:

Uprostred slov (1991, rereleased on CD 1993)
Nemilovany svet (1992)
Hollywood (1993 BMG Int., rereleased 1996 Skoda)
Unloved World (1993 Memphis, rereleased 1997 Skoda)
Pohadky ze Zapotrebi (1995 EuroRalph)
Jaro, peklo, podzim, zima (1996 UJD)

It's some pretty interesting stuff. Good skronky guitar in places, good
sudden changes of pace and (although I can't understand a word they're
saying) they seem to have a great sense of humour. I think they're playing
the Knit in December.

Hope this was of some assistance,

Jesse


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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:19:36 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <[e-mail]>
Subject: white & frisell

Can't wait until Bill's new disc next year....

New disc "Motion (or moving) Pictures" is out with Mark White on violin
and Bill Frisell.  It is fantastic if y'all like the sound of Frisell's guitar.  But
buyer beware - I also recommend the new Baron disc "Down Home" as well
as all of Michael Nyman's recorded output.

happy listening !

Bob

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:13:34 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:       Re: Logic (was Down Home but I haven't heard it)

>I suppose open and narrow minded
>can be straightforward where the issue is only whether one will
>listen to it at all; but as the entertaining Down Home dispute has
>shown, the application of these terms goes beyond that.
>
>PS I have two great early-eighties albums (Blythe Spirit and Light
>Blue) by Blythe with tuba, cello, guitar and drums.  Did this line-up
>make any others?

Who cares? They wouldn't be worth listening to if they existed. Would they
exist if noone listened?

s~Z



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Date: Thu,  4 Dec 1997 15:03:50 UT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: National Football League

Does the box set say it was an NFL game that was being played? It could have
been a high school or college football game, for all we know.

====
That's true, although it sure sounds like an NFL commentator.  Even someone
famous.  I suppose it could be College.  Do they have similar legal statements
about their broadcasts?

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:26:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hedges

> Since I liked the first album so much, I picked up his more recent stuff
> and was disapointed.  Any suggestions for futher Hedges releases?

The most recent albums by hedges haven't been as good, as the earlier ones,
I agree. In addition to Breakfast in the Field, there is Aerial Boundaries,
which is excellent Hedges. Live on the Double Planet features stuff from
both these earlier albums along with some other really great stuff...this
is an excellent album to get, because it's ONLY him with ONE guitar, and
WOW.

After Double Planet, I didn't think his work was as good. I have Taproot,
which is alright, but not as improvisatory-sounding and...hmmm...'raw' as
the earliest ones.

One hint about Hedges I was told was that he used extensive mic-ing on
his guitars so that he could amplify and sustain those harmonics the way
he does so wonderfully, also adding in effects (like digital delay,
particularly).

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 04:20:34 EST
From: JoLaMaSoul <[e-mail]>
Subject: Elliott Sharp/Kaffe Mathews/Saturnalia gig

.Wednesday Dec 10th, 9:45 pm

SATURNALIA plays at The Green Street Grill, 280 Green Street,
Central Square, Cambridge, MA.  (A small electronic version of the
ensemble with Jonathan LaMaster on violin, guitar, tapes and
electronics,Thereminist James Coleman, and possible guest
Robin Amos of Cul de Sac and Cry on analog synth.)
WITH: NYC legend ELLIOTT SHARP ("Solo Tectonics", a jungle -
techno influenced project with computer, guitar and kitchen sink),
and KAFFE MATHEWS ("demon performer from London, drives a
violin through a live sampling system"  Berliner Post...She's worked
with Butch Morris, Shelly Hersch, Scanner, Charles Haywood of
"This Heat", etc.)

"Elliott Sharp has invented the vocabulary and syntax
of a unique and dynamic music in the interzone between
order and chaos using self-designed instruments and computers."

Info: [phone]
http://www.algonet.se/%7Erepple/esharp/gigs.htm



"Saturnalia is a free-form jazz/rock group whose colorful performance style
turns every show into a party the kind  that would have been thrown by Andy
Warhol. "  David Wildman, The Boston Globe

"Imagine a conclave of 60's 'new thing' folks like  Coltrane and Shepp along
with Downtown New York types like John  Zorn and Zeena Parkins and you'll have
some idea of what's in store."  MattAshare, The Boston Phoenix

"àa heady mix of  rock  electronica, violin, Theremin, cello, banjo and
performance art."  Tristram Lozaw, Boston Herald

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:44:31 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: kazue sawai

On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, gda wrote:

> i saw the japanese koto ensemble "kazue sawai"
> a few years ago, but have never been able to
> find any recordings here in europe.

i was under the impression that
Kazue Sawai was one person,
a female koto player. is this
something else? well, the Sawai
i'm thinking of has three discs
released that i know of:

The Wind Is Calling Me Outside (CD, ALM Records: ALM 37)
Ta-Wa-Go (CD, God Mountain: GM 017)
Three Pieces/Work of Koto (CD, My Record: MY 3)

you can order these from
Forced Exposure.

http://www.forcedexposure.com/

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 06:47:19 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FT: Painkiller _GoaV_ and _Buried Secrets_ cds

If you want these, and can't wait for the upcoming re-issue by Earache, I'm
willing to trade my cds of them.  I'm interested in more noisy cutup noise
ala Otomo yoshihide and the like.  Thanks.
JJTar

- ---
Peace Hugs and Unity,
Jason J. Tar
        Vampire Rodent Productions
    http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason/VRodents.htm
Featuring: Vampire Rodents, Ether Bunny, and Dilate.

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:41:14 -0700
From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: solo guitar & ethnic orchestral

> What are your favorite solo guitar albums? I need more.
here's some of mine:
Top Ten Derek Bailey (roughly in order:)
Notes, Incus Taps, Lot 74, Aida, Diverso n2,  Lace, Solo Guitar v 1 &2,
Domestic & Public Pieces

Keith Rowe-A Dimension of Perfectly Ordinary Reality
Fred Frith- Guitar Solos
Eugene Chadbourne- Solo V 1 &2
Davey Williams- Criminal Pursuits
Henry Kaiser-Outside Pleasure, It's a Wonderful Life
Zorn (Ribot)-Book of Heads
Roger Smith-Unexpected Turns

also-- Brian Ferneyhough's Kurze Schatten 2 for solo guitar is
incredible-- fully notated hyper-complex music for nylon string guitar
(recorded recently by magnus anderson on Montaigne)

certainly i've forgotten something...

- --



[e-mail]

http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:52:02 -0500
From: [e-mail] (ashley capps)
Subject: Re: Down Home

>Ash lifted the following off-air message & deemed it suitable for
>publication:
>   >Ash wrote of the avant-garde:
>   >   a religion. . . with all the accompanying dogmas and commandments.
>   >
>   >yes, and a good example of dogma/commandment is the implicit premisses
>   >and value judgements within such loaded phrases as "narrow-minded and
>   >rigid in their tastes." i doubt you expected more; likely, you simply
>   >expected others on the list to agree with you. why dress it up? don't
>   >pay much heed to opinions---they are, often as not, no more than
>   >expressions of despair.
>   >pax,
>   >-b
>and replied with:
>   Well, Mr. Stubble, so now the snake starts to swallow its tail. This is
>   akin to the "it's prejudiced to be prejudiced against prejudice" kind of
>   argument. Cute, but no cigar.
>   I don't recall any particular expectations when I entered into this, least
>   of all that others would agree with me (it was already two to one against).
>   Just a little dialogue. . . apologies for the despair.
>   Ashley
>two for four in misreadin'em---congrads. perhaps, then, i should begin
>by lamenting a mildly surprising degree of sub-literacy among
>connoisseurs of the avant-guarde so as to not miss the opportunity to
>later contradict myself by avering a lack of particular expectations.
>pax,
>-b

Sorry, Stubb, but I didn't realize that I was publishing and responding to
a private email, otherwise I wouldn't have. Gotta be more careful. However,
if a mistaking the meaning of your convoluted, baroque "i've taken one two
many creative writing classes" or read one too many Thomas Pynchon novels
(actually, not possible, IMO) style of communiques qualifies me for
sub-literacy, then I plead guilty. But "avant-guarde" is actually spelled
"avant-garde," just for the record, you literate devil, you.
- -a



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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:06:11 GMT
From: "Ockham's stubble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Down Home

   Sorry, Stubb, but I didn't realize that I was publishing and responding to
   a private email, otherwise I wouldn't have. Gotta be more careful. However,
   if a mistaking the meaning of your convoluted, baroque "i've taken one two
   many creative writing classes" or read one too many Thomas Pynchon novels
   (actually, not possible, IMO) style of communiques qualifies me for
   sub-literacy, then I plead guilty. But "avant-guarde" is actually spelled
   "avant-garde," just for the record, you literate devil, you.
   -a
it's getting a bit ridiculous to continue this in hundreds of
mailboxes (and really, i don't mind at all that you published them)
but ash, you're fucking awsome! one question: you copped the u, but
why not the trial?
- -b

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